[SMCARA] SMCARA Antenna build off

[Daniel Metcalf]

It is a cold rain day that to me feels like a Monday. All are pardoned.

Dan

On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 11:48 -0500, Rene Ramirez wrote:
> *facepalm* Why did 70db come to mind...  Ah dunno.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 11:40 AM, Clarke, Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS <
> frederic.clarke at navy.mil> wrote:
> 
> > 70 dB loss might be a bit pessimistic!  20 dB is the general rule of thumb
> > for path loss due to cross polarization.  If your path excess is 18 dB and
> > with the 20 dB effect of cross polarization, the result is "No signal,
> > grasshopper"!  You can Google this, but standby for some high powered math!
> >
> > Same thing on HF, but to a lesser extent due to natural polarization shift
> > caused by nearby objects, trees, your house, a fence, the Earth, that
> > F-150, as well as atmospheric and propagation effects (skip).
> >
> > Always remember "Clarke's First Law of Antennas";: "If it sounds/looks
> > stupid, but it works, it's not stupid"!
> >
> > Wonderful stuff!
> >
> > 73 Tom/W4OKW
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: SMCARA [mailto:smcara-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rene
> > Ramirez
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2014 9:28 AM
> > To: Daniel Metcalf
> > Cc: SMCARA Reflector
> > Subject: Re: [SMCARA] SMCARA Antenna build off
> >
> > I was under the impression that SSB/CW was done in HORIZONTAL polarization
> > and FM work was done in the vertical.  I know there is no set "law" saying
> > as much but there is that pesky 70db loss thing if you try to work a
> > station horizontal if you are vertical and the other station is opposite.
> >
> > Ren...
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 8:54 AM, Daniel Metcalf <kb3uun at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Good thoughts Gary.
> > >
> > > We are currently reviewing all of the suggestions including the
> > > proposed rules that were created by Tom (ND3N).
> > >
> > > The suggested test procedures can be found in the back of the 22nd
> > > Edition of the ARRL Antenna Book. If I remember correctly it is
> > > section 27. I can confirm and send out another email once I get back
> > > to my shack this afternoon. For those who do not have a copy of the
> > > 22nd Edition of the Antenna Book I have the desired section in PDF
> > > form. I can place it in my dropbox and send a like to it if there is
> > enough interest.
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Dan (KB3UUN)
> > > c. 301 769 1111
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2014-12-09 at 01:23 -0500, Martin Gary wrote:
> > > > Hey guys,
> > > >
> > > > If you’re building a vertical antenna (for SSB) cut it for 144.5
> > > > MHz. If
> > > its vertical (FM) cut it for 146.500 MHz. I think FM should be the
> > > target band because everyone has an FM 2 meter radio. Just M.H.O. 73,
> > > Marty - N3HRT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On Dec 2, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Daniel Metcalf <kb3uun at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Jason,
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't start building yet. We are still getting the contest organized.
> > > > > The operating or test frequency is something that we still need
> > > defined.
> > > > > Do you have a preference?
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2014-12-02 at 13:05 -0500, jbr13 at md.metrocast.net wrote:
> > > > >> Dan,  I am starting to gather things for the 2 meter antenna
> > > > >> build off and have one question I don't remember seeing the
> > > > >> answer to.  What target frequency should the antenna's be built for?
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >>
> > > > >> N3YUG
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Jason Rearick
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > >
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