[SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations A SUGGESTION on how to
handle such questions.
Jerry Gault
jgault at nc.rr.com
Sat Jul 23 18:19:37 EDT 2005
Zeb:
Great advice... Thank you.
73
Jerry
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Today's Topics:
1. RE: Grid expeditions/activations A WARNING (Randy Tipton)
2. Toning it down (AA6DX - Mark)
3. Six Club Contest (nj2f)
4. 6m Activity (AA6DX - Mark)
5. RE: Six Club Contest (Randy Tipton)
6. Re: Six Club Contest (Smirk5766 at aol.com)
7. Re: Grid expeditions/activations (DONALD PRICE)
8. RE: Grid expeditions/activations A SUGGESTION on how to
handle such questions. (Zeb Palmer - KD7EVS)
9. Re: Grid expeditions/activations (Richard J. Fiero II W5TFW)
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:41:45 -0500
From: "Randy Tipton" <wa5ufh at ykc.com>
Subject: RE: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations A WARNING
To: <sixclub at 6mt.com>, "'World Wide Six Meter Club'"
<sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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I agree.... looking on PJ for ms schedules, and monitoring .125 & .175
Tip
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:sixclub-
> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W9FS - Jerry
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:33 PM
> To: AA6DX - Mark; World Wide Six Meter Club
> Subject: RE: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations A WARNING
>
> Jerry is just being safe, and it is a good idea. There are a couple of
> islands that require permission. If in doubt, get written permission
> first, it elimates the hassel. I agree with Scott, who would have
> thought he would be hasseled about an HT. I think he is going about it
> the right way
and
> did
> the right thing. Pulling out a pistol would have been the wrong thing.
>
> This could get into a heated discussion, let's change the subject or
tone
> it
> down. - Jerry W9FS
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:sixclub-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of AA6DX - Mark
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 3:13 PM
> To: jgault at nc.rr.com; World Wide Six Meter Club
> Subject: Re: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations A WARNING
>
>
> WHAT? YOU WON'T GO A N Y W H E R E WITHOUT WRITTEN PERMISSION?
> That's
> plumb silly. Jerry, let go and enjoy life... why do you need someone
> where
> to tell you where you CAN go? You MIGHT bump into some that will
tell
> you
> WHERE to go, but ... heck with them! Exception .. when we put
together a
> group to operate from a secure Coast Guard Lighthouse, that qualified
as a
> "written permission" site ... else, I still live in these here United
> States of America. Now, if going to a midst of a tree huggin' bird
> luvin'
secure
> Federal site, it may be necessary ... but .. A N Y W H E R E ?
> PSSSSHAW.///
> Would seem the wanna be cops that accosted our friend had just escaped
> from the roller skating rink, where they would shine their flashlights
> on
the
> folks who did too many twirls during the couples' skate.
> I finally have the stuff to assemble my 6M big beam mobile station,
and
> have
> several relatively rare grids that would make a nice day's picnic run
..
> so
> .. will do it, and written permission be damned!
> Pistol Packin' ham (legal) .. Mark AA6DX
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:04:10 -0700
From: "AA6DX - Mark" <aa6dx at arrl.net>
Subject: [SixClub] Toning it down
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Wasn't saying pull a pistol, u silly sillies who twist things .. .. THE
WISER FOLKS ON HERE KNEW THAT ... BUT .... YA HADDA GO THERE! ----just
underscoring that there are still a few constitutional rights we Americans
have .. .. .. so far. I was trying to say "go do whatcha do".. so many
folks trying to "protect" things these days. aaarrrggghhh...And .. yes ..
if you go to a LEGALLY protected area, it surely is best to get the properly
documented permission in advance. No doubt. But, to go to the local
Interstate rest area and set up your 6M beam and "shoot some skip" (the
wanna be cops will know what that means) .,. Or .. just go out to an area
to operate for a rare grid, it is plumb stupid to think you must have
somewonderful one's permission.. that was what I got out of the discussion.
Legally restricted area? YOU BET .. get the permission... but, to go out to
Clam Beach ( our turf ) and BEG permission to set up a beam and say howdy to
the folks who can hear
ya? NO WAY ..
Ham radio "rocks" (got that from the grandsons) .. and I don't want to see
wanna be cops taking over the decisions of where physical locations from
which one can transmit and learn more about propagation on the ham bands.
Enuf. .. .. Fight for Right .. 73, Mark AA6DX
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:10:40 -0000
From: "nj2f" <nj2f at swfla.rr.com>
Subject: [SixClub] Six Club Contest
To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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Change of Subject.
How's everyone doing in the contest. After 3 hours I only have 10 contacts
in 3 grids. Am I going to have to win this thing again, HIHI.
73, Jeff, NJ2F, el96
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 14:16:36 -0700
From: "AA6DX - Mark" <aa6dx at arrl.net>
Subject: [SixClub] 6m Activity
To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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Hearing no signals -- so will lock on 5X.125 and "lurk" ... Mark AA6DX
CN7Xwt
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 16:25:36 -0500
From: "Randy Tipton" <wa5ufh at ykc.com>
Subject: RE: [SixClub] Six Club Contest
To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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Nothing but dead-band conditions here so far....
So far 6 contacts , 6 grids and 6 states ..... all High Speed Meteor
Scatter...
Looking for schedules on the PJ page....
Tip
WA5UFH
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> bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of nj2f
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:11 PM
> To: World Wide Six Meter Club
> Subject: [SixClub] Six Club Contest
>
> Change of Subject.
>
> How's everyone doing in the contest. After 3 hours I only have 10
contacts
> in 3 grids. Am I going to have to win this thing again, HIHI.
> 73, Jeff, NJ2F, el96
>
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:46:03 EDT
From: Smirk5766 at aol.com
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Six Club Contest
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Hi Jeff,
You can win another one ,nothing here in s.c. fm04.
yours truly,
Wayne W4WRL FM04 SC# 006
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:58:06 -0400
From: "DONALD PRICE" <ironman7900 at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations
To: <jgault at nc.rr.com>, "World Wide Six Meter Club"
<sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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Funny... Myself, Don K4ONE and George KO4QR both live here in FM26 and are
both ACTIVE on 6m..
We both regularly are on 50.125 calling.. very rarely any response... you
don't need a grid expedition here.. you need people on the bands... just my
2 cents worth guys.. Don
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From: "Jerry Gault" <jgault at nc.rr.com>
To: <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations
> I received some great feedback on grid numbers people feel are rare,
> looking
> at a map I can see why these grids were chosen.
>
> Grids: FM13,FM25,FM26,FM27,DL88,DL89,EL84,EL94,CM93,DM02 Someone mentioned
> FM02 but the city of Charleston is in that grid... Must be some hams
> there?
> Maybe not active on 6 meters I guess?
>
> Mike KA5CVH is in the research phase of planning an expedition to DL88,
> DL89
> for either January or next summer.
>
> I am planning to activate FM25, FM26 and FM27, all next summer... With the
> way the band has been this past week I doubt it's worth making a trip
> there
> this summer. Might end up talking to myself for days. I am considering
> going
> back to FM13 again also.
>
> There will be a web site setup at http://www.gridhunters.com for grid
> expedition information. I believe Mike KA5CVH is planning on posting
> information on his site as well http://www.ka5cvh.com/vhf/dl79.htm.
> Operators are needed and it would be nice to form a couple teams in
> different areas of the country. I had a great time when I was in FM13
> alone,
> I'm sure operating for a longer period and with multiple operators would
> be
> even more fun. Expeditions do not need to be DX, sure exotic locations
> would
> be fantastic but activating grids that people need can be just as fun.
> Look
> at EL94 and EL84 :-)
>
> So if your in Texas and are interested in activating grids contact Mike,
> he
> lives near Houston. If your on the SE side of the country contact me, I'm
> in
> Durham, NC. When we activate these grids we will operate at least 6m, 2m
> and
> digital modes if someone has that capability, I don't at the moment. All
> of
> the equipment I own was purchased with portable operation. License class
> does not matter, neither does level of experience. If you have a good
> attitude and want to have some fun come on out.
>
> On the Six Club site there is a message board for expeditions also,
> announcements will be made there and on this list.
>
> Let's get planning for summer 2006.
>
> 73
> Jerry, n4avm
>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 15:58:11 -0600
From: "Zeb Palmer - KD7EVS" <kd7evs at hznet.us>
Subject: RE: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations A SUGGESTION on
how to handle such questions.
To: "'World Wide Six Meter Club'" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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What happened to you is crazy.
I'm a communications specialist for the Government, and have had to use that
pull in the past when stringing dipoles through the trees in some national
parks. Sometimes it was too simple to say I was doing government work than
to explain to this know-it-all summer intern that I was a ham op. But for a
handheld... that's nuts!
I don't mind telling people I'm a ham radio op, but a couple times that I've
been stopped and questioned, it was obvious the idiot doing the questioning
didn't like me being there. A flash of the ID and they left me alone, aside
from one occasion when the guy accused me of having a fake ID. To which I
offered to talk with his regional supervisor (knowing the name always helps)
to clear things up... (Which they don't want).
Most of the folks that you'll have problems with are summer interns or
otherwise temporary people. That goes for Forest Service, BLM and National
Park Service, etc. The people who haven't been in the government for very
long tend to be on a power trip half the time. But usually lack the
authority to direct traffic. (Seriously).
If you take the time to explain what you're doing 90% of the time you'll be
left alone. (Mention disaster communications training and show your FCC
license) The other 10% takes a little practice (see my suggestion below). Be
nice, be polite... but unless they are a law enforcement officer (as
distinguished by a gun) most of the time they don't have the authority to
tell you to stop. If they do tell you to stop, kindly ask for their name,
title and supervisor's name and telephone number, might even ask kind of
sarcastically (I've never had a problem here, how long have you worked
here?). Do it kindly though. i.e. "I'll stop for now since you think this is
an issue, but this really does need to be cleared up. I'd like to talk to
your supervisor so we don't have and more problems... I don't recall ever
seeing you here before when I've operated here in the past, how long have
you worked here?"
If they don't want to give you this information it's a good sign they're an
idiot. If they really have the authority (or think they do) they'll gladly
give you their supervisor's number. You can also ask to see the law that
prohibits amateur radio activity in that area or ask them to tell you which
section it is under. (There isn't one) "I don't remember seeing an anti ham
radio clause in the laws for this park when I looked, can you tell me which
section the rule you are referring to is under, I think I've got a copy of
them in my truck, you can point it out to me"
As for this instance, seems like you handled it correctly.
You might also consider sending a letter to the secretary of the Department
of Interior, if you have not received a response from the NPS. It'll never
get to her, but it will get read and probably some response, if not deferred
to the National Park Service via official mail.
Gale A. Norton
1849 C Street, NW
Washington, DC 20240
I will note that the permit the rangers (if they were rangers and not
interns) were probably talking about is a group permit. That's usually the
permit required, and the one they were referring that the last 'group' of
hams required. On forest service land a permit is required at 45-75 people
depending on the forest and similar on blm land. In National Parks the
limit is much lower, and can require a permit for any group 'assembly.' A
DXpedition of any size with typical equipment will almost certainly trip the
requirement for a permit in a park.
Now, the catch to all of this... If the area is a higher security area, all
bets are off. Monuments, or places where security is more of a concern; if
an officer doesn't like the way you look or smell, you'd better have written
authorization to be there.
NOW FOR MY SUGGESTION; most potential problems can be handled with some
regard to how you answer their questions.
When asked "What the heck are you doing?"
Instead of "I'm an amateur radio operator, I'm going to talk to a few
buddies of mine who are waiting on me to call them"
Consider an answer like the following. (And don't use the word amateur until
after your initial response. If you use the word amateur, they'll think
pirate broadcast or such).
"I'm a Ham Radio Operator Licensed and operating under the authority of the
Federal Communications Commission; we're constantly doing Disaster drills
and testing our emergency communications capability to remote or disaster
prone areas. I've brought one of my portable radios that we can use when
normal communications fail during a disaster. My operations here today are a
test to see what type of communications we can expect from this location in
such a disaster. It tests my skills in communicating in less than ideal
conditions. It tests my equipment running off of batteries and makeshift
antennas, and it tests other ham radio operators around the world in their
ability to communicate with locations during such emergencies."
While you're reciting something to that effect you should have pulled out
your wallet and have handed the asking party you're license. So they have
tangible evidence to back up you're statements. Now, at no point in that
paragraph did you lie? That paragraph is the point right? Not just to rack
up grids... right? ;)
At this point, they'll either run scared ;) or they'll not know what to say
and leave you alone ;) or best of all, they'll be so intrigued they'll want
to know more about amateur radio.
If you're not totally set up and talking to people yet, say; "I'm not quite
ready yet, but if you want to come back in a little while I can show you
what it's all about and maybe even let you talk on it if you're interested."
Or if you are operating already.
Tune around the band a bit to see what you can hear and let the asking party
hear other stations tell them where the stations are, let them hear you talk
to someone and then preferably let them talk to someone. Not only will you
have answered the "what the heck are you doing here" question. But you'll
have gained a friend of amateur radio and possibly a future ham.
As we all know, Six meters isnt the best band to show off ham radio. Not
that there is a best band. But if the band is open, it's great. But tuning
around and letting the person hear static from around the globe is less than
ideal.
Also mention to them how long you'll be there. (a few hours) (camped over
night) (the weekend) When talking around the water cooler, they may get
someone else interested in what you are doing and they may drop back by to
see how it's going or to show off their new friend to another employee.
(I've had this happen). If they do drop back by, give them an update of the
places you have communicated and reiterate that during an emergency those
places would be likely places with which you could relay emergency
information.
Anyways, enough of my blabbering.
73
Zeb
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 17:02:07 -0500
From: "Richard J. Fiero II W5TFW" <w5tfw at cox.net>
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations
To: "World Wide Six Meter Club" <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
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well,
I am deaf, Thats the ONLY one in that whole area I dont have. I would like
calls and phone #'s if you dont mind. w5tfw at cox.net
Thanks, Joey
Richard J. Fiero II W5TFW
QSL Manager USS KIDD DD-661
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From: "DONALD PRICE" <ironman7900 at msn.com>
To: <jgault at nc.rr.com>; "World Wide Six Meter Club"
<sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations
> Funny... Myself, Don K4ONE and George KO4QR both live here in FM26 and are
> both ACTIVE on 6m..
> We both regularly are on 50.125 calling.. very rarely any response... you
> don't need a grid expedition here.. you need people on the bands... just
> my 2 cents worth guys.. Don
>
> --- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Gault" <jgault at nc.rr.com>
> To: <sixclub at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 12:11 PM
> Subject: [SixClub] Grid expeditions/activations
>
>
>> I received some great feedback on grid numbers people feel are rare,
>> looking
>> at a map I can see why these grids were chosen.
>>
>> Grids: FM13,FM25,FM26,FM27,DL88,DL89,EL84,EL94,CM93,DM02 Someone
>> mentioned
>> FM02 but the city of Charleston is in that grid... Must be some hams
>> there?
>> Maybe not active on 6 meters I guess?
>>
>> Mike KA5CVH is in the research phase of planning an expedition to DL88,
>> DL89
>> for either January or next summer.
>>
>> I am planning to activate FM25, FM26 and FM27, all next summer... With
>> the
>> way the band has been this past week I doubt it's worth making a trip
>> there
>> this summer. Might end up talking to myself for days. I am considering
>> going
>> back to FM13 again also.
>>
>> There will be a web site setup at http://www.gridhunters.com for grid
>> expedition information. I believe Mike KA5CVH is planning on posting
>> information on his site as well http://www.ka5cvh.com/vhf/dl79.htm.
>> Operators are needed and it would be nice to form a couple teams in
>> different areas of the country. I had a great time when I was in FM13
>> alone,
>> I'm sure operating for a longer period and with multiple operators would
>> be
>> even more fun. Expeditions do not need to be DX, sure exotic locations
>> would
>> be fantastic but activating grids that people need can be just as fun.
>> Look
>> at EL94 and EL84 :-)
>>
>> So if your in Texas and are interested in activating grids contact Mike,
>> he
>> lives near Houston. If your on the SE side of the country contact me, I'm
>> in
>> Durham, NC. When we activate these grids we will operate at least 6m, 2m
>> and
>> digital modes if someone has that capability, I don't at the moment. All
>> of
>> the equipment I own was purchased with portable operation. License class
>> does not matter, neither does level of experience. If you have a good
>> attitude and want to have some fun come on out.
>>
>> On the Six Club site there is a message board for expeditions also,
>> announcements will be made there and on this list.
>>
>> Let's get planning for summer 2006.
>>
>> 73
>> Jerry, n4avm
>>
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