I almost forgot! in a pinch, you can solder 1/2" braid to the ground pin of a 3 prong AC plug, which then you plug into a house outlet to use the building ground. Not as good as the good ol' 8' rod direct method, but usable. Gabriel ===== Gabriel Sierra Moondancer Recording Studios moonrec at prtc.net http://www.moondancer.freeservers.com