[SixClub] 6 meter vertical

[michael]

I live on a hill (850ft) and tried a discone , a dipole and a 3 ele beam . I
made a few contacts into CA. and southwest with the discone  this past June
in one of those big openings.It was up about 15 ft. the dipole didn't work
as well,, and the beam worked as a beam should. I  painted about half of the
USA on my grid map with the 3 ele beam. I have a 40m loop up 35 ft and a 5/8
11m vertical I use on 10m believe it or not sometimes I get better receive
sig using the vertical even when the contact is horizontal. I am thinking
about putting up a vertical for the hf bands 160-10m I'll bet in some
situations it will perform as good if not better.
73s  KA1OPD
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Barry Bogart" <barry_bogart@yahoo.com>
To: <sixclub@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [SixClub] 6 meter vertical


Good point. Maybe I WAS overshooting him. I'll have to
keep that in mind. I usually use a dipole on the
mountains anyway.

73, Barry
VE7VIE/KD7IGX

--- Christopher Boone <CBoone@Earthlink.Net> wrote:
> You WERE at 4000ft....a vertical would have seen
> OVER him if he was at
> say 200ft AGL or so..Remember a vertical looks like
> a squashed donut or
> umbrella in the air....if you can see the top, then
> you can
> communicate..if the top is hidden by the "umbrella
> cone" or the other
> station is in a null (yes verticals have NULLS!) of
> the doughut, then
> rolling to Horiz would make a BIG difference...20db
> LESS of a strong
> signal is better than 40-50db null even with same
> pol...
>
> HOWEVER, your case is unique! You were at 3000ft or
> so...what you found
> is what broadcasters have known about for
> years...and thats why they use
> "NULL FILL" in antennas to throw more signal DOWN
> toward or even BELOW
> the horizon when operating from a HIGH
> elevation...Its not unusual.
>
> NOW if you and the other station were at the SAME
> HEIGHT, then things
> would have been normal....
>
> Chris
> WB5ITT
>
> Barry Bogart wrote:
>
> > I found this out when I worked the September VHF
> > contest the same weekend I bought my Ranger 5054
> in
> > Seattle,. I was up on Snoqualamie Pass - must be
> 3000'
> > or so. I connected the rig to my battery and a
> > hamstick I had. But I could barely work anyone -
> even
> > the guys in Seattle less than 50 miles away! I
> later
> > realized it was because my hamstick was VERTICAL
> and I
> > was using USB. I have the 25-watt Ranger BTW.
> >
> > However, last weekend I was on a mountaintop
> trying a
> > sched with a friend out in the Valley East of
> > Vancouver BC. I didn't hear him, but I did work a
> guy
> > in Saltspring Island, about 50 miles away. This
> guy
> > was on an 817 with a Miracle Whip, vertical. I was
> > using a Tokyo Hypower HT - 2w, with a whip but I
> held
> > mine horizontal for USB. After he mentioned his
> > antenna, I asked if it was vertical. He said yes,
> so I
> > swung mine up vertical as well. The result was a
> very
> > significant DROP in his sig level - maybe 10db. I
> > swung it back horizontal and he came right back
> 5/9.
> > Any ideas why? Over only 50 miles, line of sight
> (I
> > was at 4000'), cross-polarization should have
> kiiled
> > us. Instead it was better.
> >
> > Anyone have an explanation?
> >
> > 73, Barry
> > VE7VIE/KD7IGX
>
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