Well... the CE0Z boys are doing a great job, not atno, but got them so far 10 through 20 on both ssb and cw, I truly only need them for new ones on 40 and 80 to help me get to 1500 on the dxcc challenge hi hi! === the other good news, I finally got my settings right on the 9700, and got IO-117 satellite working right! and got to work Japan on 70 cm Sats, and all 4 stations already confirmed on LOTW... now need to stay focus, and get to work one station that is on from Hawaii on that same sat, so I can finish WAS on Satellites,