[SFDXA] LOTW - 13 days and counting

Sat Jun 1 15:01:04 EDT 2024

I think some of us are taking this issue too seriously given it is merely a hobby.
AL N2DUI

"Why is it I get my best ideas while shaving?"--Albert Einstein
"I would never want to belong to any club that would consider having me as a member."--Groucho Marx

    On Saturday, June 1, 2024 at 10:54:30 AM EDT, Dan Fisher AI4GK <ai4gk at outlook.com> wrote:  

No, you missed what I said. I’ve been around enough to know that ARRL is a not-for-profit corporation. I never even intimated that the Leage was anything but.

I was responding to Rich’s comment,The ARRL is member funded. Businesses that are on the stock market are responsible to their share holders[sic].

The ARRL is responsible to us. To tell US what is going on, to fix it. We pay them. How are they different from any other company we buy from/invest in? Depend on?

My point is that if this was a criminal act, which it undoubtedly was, they are precluded from releasing any information, so as not to jeopardize the investigation, just as any other company we buy from/invest in. Their first responsibility is to do everything they can to assist law enforcement in investigating the crime. And the first part of that is to keep their mouths shut until the investigators tell them they can comment. Companies withhold details of data breaches every day. A criminal investigation takes precedence over my curiosity.

Folks, give the investigation time to come to fruition. The ARRL has a complex system that was cobbled together over many years. I’ve worked for companies that have three or four different systems that are linked together. It’s just a fact of life.

Just my $2 (Not $0.02, due to the current inflation rate).

73,

Dan AI4GK

From: Kazimierz Siwiak <k.siwiak at ieee.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 1, 2024 9:11
To: Dan Fisher AI4GK <ai4gk at outlook.com>
Cc: AT&T Mail <n2dui at att.net>; sfdxa at mailman.qth.net; wb4ehg at rjoerger.com
Subject: Re: [SFDXA] LOTW - 13 days and counting

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Dan,

The American Radio Relay League (ARRL) is not a for-profit, it is a tax-exempt, non-profit organization as described in Section 501(c)(3) of the Internal Revenue Code holding federal tax id number 06-6000004. 

73

Kai, KE4PT

On Sat, Jun 1, 2024 at 8:12 AM Dan Fisher AI4GK <ai4gk at outlook.com> wrote:

If there's a crime involved, which is almost certainly the case, the ARRL would not be allowed to release any information—same as any for-profit corporation. When the criminal investigation is complete, they will be allowed to speak.

73,

Dan AI4GK

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2024 19:16
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Subject: Re: [SFDXA] LOTW - 13 days and counting 

Sorry, just a slight correction.

I have to know MY limitations when working CW or a fast contest, lifting weights, ...

Our organizations, hams, politicians and others,need to know theirs.

And WE have to tell them, clearly, where theirs are. Where we will stop being supporters.

The ARRL is member funded. Businesses that are on the stock market are responsible to their share holders.

The ARRL is responsible to us. To tell US what is going on, to fix it. We pay them. How are they different from any other company we buy from/invest in? Depend on?

I'm truthful when I say that I worked in data communications (I was a design engineer and then manager and then systems architect, attended forums, architected new products (datacom, DSL, Fiber, ...) I've seen managers fired within a week, vice presidents fired faster than this for data breaches or viruses knocking out data centers or labs. Take a test lab off line for a week? You will be in a bread line in 2 weeks.

If no one is held responsible then there is no reason to excel, go the extra mile to do it right. It's easy to go to the dinners, soak up the liquor, schmooze with the customers and investors (been there, done it, a real ego trip), but you have to deliver.

I'll put it this way, if I owned stock in the ARRL, well, I would not. Just like I have dumped stock in previously good companies that "woke" up (sorry for the politics but selling investments at a loss indicates seriousness).

73, Rich

On 5/31/2024 22:48, AT&T Mail wrote:

I suspect if Clint Eastwood's character, "Dirty"Harry Callahan was a ham (N6DHC), he might respond to the LoTW issue stating, "a ham has gotta know his limitations."

AL N2DUI

"Why is it I get my best ideas while shaving?"--Albert Einstein

"I would never want to belong to any club that would consider having me as a member."--Groucho Marx

On Friday, May 31, 2024 at 05:56:54 PM EDT, wb4ehg<wb4ehg at rjoerger.com> wrote:

It's always the cover up that gets 'em.

Unless, as someone suggested, there is a Gvmt security issue, someone in management would be on the street already. I know upper level guys let go sooner than this.

Keeping a lid on it just makes it worse and causes unnecessary suspicion and FUD.

73, Rich

On 5/28/2024 1:34, Randy Shirley wrote:

Yep Steve!  I'm starting to very nervous about this!  Their latest messages said that the data was in tack!  I'm really starting to wonder now!

Randy N4QV
President SFDXA

On 5/27/2024 7:58 AM, The Romagni's wrote:

13 Days and  counting... by now any CTO or CEO would had been fired... 

Steve

W4DTA

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