[ScanIndiana]BS laws
sdaupert
sdaupert at ameritech.net
Sat Jan 22 16:30:48 EST 2005
Like Susan said if you can't do the time don't do the crime.
In 1995 my Pro43 was taken, a ticket was issued and I got my scanner back
by calling the detective and going to the property room to pick it up.
Case dismissed, never even went to court.
Last January my lead foot got me two speeding tickets in a one week period
with a 2045 and others velcroed to the dash. Neither police officer even
asked about the radios even though the car looked like a porcupine.
I'm not just complaining about the law, I'm willing to fight against it.
I'm certain I'll find other Indiana scannists who want this bogus law
changed and have not had the opportunity to be hassled just yet for having a
no harm hobby.
Thanks again for the opportunity to speak, Matt.
Stu
----- Original Message -----
From: <w9nes at comcast.net>
To: "Indiana Scanning" <scanindiana at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:57 AM
Subject: Re: [ScanIndiana]BS laws
> Hey Stu, Let's wake up and live in our present day not the future, this is
> 2005,I think you are taking cheap shots at everyone and as far as
> President Bush, When did this fourm become a place to discuss politics???
> this is not the time or place for this issue, This is for sharing
> infomation between all of us,Why don't you get your ham license and quit
> crying about things that have nothing to do with this fourm and keep your
> comments on this issue being discussed which is radio
> communications.Enough Said,Let's get back to realiity at hand, the present
> day !!!!My Opinion,Take it or leave it !!! Tim DeLong W9NES
> Indianapolis,Indiana (Proud to be a Ham Radio Operator) in the USA
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>> Yeah, sweep it under a rug like asking Bu-sssssshhhh about an exit
>> strategy from
>> Iraq. That will make it go away. Yup. Don't question anything and if
>> someone
>> dissents and backs up their opinion with FACT tell him "calm down" or
>> "play
>> nice".
>> And the sheep follow along.....
>> This IS a "scanner list" and we WERE discussing "scanner law" but it
>> must be
>> off topic somehow because I keep getting the "shut up already" talk.
>> Perhaps
>> when all your spectrum is sold to the highest bidder or BPL goes full
>> bore with
>> noise levels +20 you'll wake up to the big picture......or when you have
>> your
>> license copy in hand and the cop STILL takes your radio you'll go "Ohhhh,
>> thats
>> not fair...."
>> And yes it has happened. And it will continue. Because of the law that
>> you all
>> seem to love so much.
>> Stu
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <w9nes at comcast.net>
>> To: "Indiana Scanning" <scanindiana at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 10:27 PM
>> Subject: RE: [ScanIndiana]BS laws
>>
>>
>> > Gentleman.For the humanity!!!Can we get off this subject matter and
>> > move
>> forward,IC 35-44-3-12 is very clear if a person will TAKE TIME to sit
>> down and
>> read the Burns Statue on this law.This is a hobby for all of us to enjoy,
>> not to
>> be putting each other down,Can we not get along with others??? Enough
>> Said.Thanks 73 Tim DeLong W9NES, Poud to be a Licensed Ham Radio Operator
>> in
>> Indianapolis!!!!!!!!!!
>> >
>> >
>> >> Now kiddies, calm down. :-)
>> >>
>> >> In your own ways you both have good points but are just on
>> >> opposite ends of the spectrum, pardon the pun.
>> >>
>> >> I argued in many internet newsgroups waaaaay back against the
>> >> ECPA (which I refer to as the Electronic Communications Piracy
>> >> Act, as opposed to "Privacy" Act.....) because it, like so much
>> >> other law in this area, is:
>> >>
>> >> a) a typical Washington DC "shoot-from-the-hip-catch-all-one-size-
>> >> fits-everyone-solution" which as usual manages to screw a lot of
>> >> people. I still believe that today.
>> >>
>> >> b) predicated on the "big lie" that was being told by cellular
>> >> providers early on that their customers should feel secure that
>> >> nobody could listen in on them. Just one small problem - that
>> >> was NOT true, and the CTIA knew it (that's Cellular Telephone
>> >> Industry Association, for anyone who didn't know that). FIRST
>> >> they sold the phones and THEN they lobbied for a law that would
>> >> make their lie into law. With enough money to spread around
>> >> in Washington, you can do almost anything.
>> >>
>> >> As for the Indiana Scanner law, my understanding is that it goes
>> >> back to a time when criminals really did try and use receivers
>> >> (scanners didn't even exist yet) to try and evade police. The
>> >> original intent of the law was a good one, and I really don't think
>> >> that anyone ever thought that listening to the cops was going to
>> >> turn into a popular spectator sport. When I first got involved in
>> >> radio as a kid in the early 70's, a LOT more stuff was said on
>> >> the police bands IN THE CLEAR than there is now. So law or not,
>> >> the cops all know that they are listened to and they take steps
>> >> to hide or disguise a lot of critical comms. You can argue the
>> >> success or failure of that - but I think it is a valid point that
>> >> we, the radio hobbyists, need to be careful that what we do does
>> >> NOT endanger either the police officers themselves or the public
>> >> safety and welfare.
>> >>
>> >> I will also remind everyone that scannists all too frequently forget
>> >> about Section 705 (formerly 605) of the Communications Act of 1934,
>> >> as amended. Until recently, it basically said you could listen to
>> >> anything you wanted to as long as you didn't divulge the contents
>> >> with exceptions being ships and aircraft in distress, Amateurs and
>> >> CBers, and signals intended for public broadcast. These could be
>> >> divulged all you wanted. :-) The ECPA then excepted cell phones,
>> >> and later, cordless phones; various congresscritters have tried to
>> >> extend it into other areas as well. This is still the law of the
>> >> land, whether we like it or not. Primarily, it isn't enforced
>> >> except in the most egregious cases of someone being blatantly
>> >> stupid and/or trying to use the obtained information in some illegal
>> >> or "profitable" way.
>> >>
>> >> That's my 2 cents worth on issues of legality for now. In the
>> >> meantime,
>> >> back to the radios!
>> >>
>> >> Duane
>> >> WB9OMC
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> >> [mailto:scanindiana-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of sdaupert
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 11:53 AM
>> >> To: Indiana Scanning
>> >> Subject: Re: [ScanIndiana]BS laws
>> >>
>> >> And I'm sure you've never broken any law in you life like exceeding
>> >> the
>> >> speed limit? But I guess listening to a radio is much more dangerous
>> >> to
>> >> others. Here she is, THE perfect woman.
>> >> BTW, if you take stating facts to be whining, go back to cutting your
>> >> own
>> >> crystals and those of us who are willing to speak out about govt.
>> >> waste will
>> >> continue to do so.
>> >> What is this "perfectly good reason" for this law (that keeps me, a
>> >> hobbiest
>> >> from listening???) I still don't see it after reading the statute
>> >> again and
>> >> again.
>> >> Go to a NASCAR or F1 race and arrest everyone that CARRIES a scanner
>> >> capable
>> >> of getting 800 MHZ if you have so much time, money and
>> >> courtrooms.Truly
>> >> fiscally responsible, oh yes.
>> >> My point is the law is poorly worded, does not target real criminals
>> >> ONLY
>> >> and it needs to be changed.
>> >> You still don't get it do you?
>> >> Stu
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Susan Barker" <bigoakqh at yahoo.com>
>> >> To: <scanindiana at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 8:43 AM
>> >> Subject: [ScanIndiana] (no subject)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Ok boys I have been scanning longer than some of you have been on
>> >> > this
>> >> earth. Stop whining. The law is the law and has a perfectly good
>> >> reason to
>> >> back it up other than your loss of civil liberties. If you choose to
>> >> violate
>> >> that law then "don't do the crime..if ya can't do the time ( or
>> >> consequences) ". The Ham law is a courtesy extended by most states.
>> >> The
>> >> violation of those laws and regulations has brought about the mistrust
>> >> of
>> >> that group as well by law enforcement. We reap what we throw out
>> >> there. Now
>> >> I know you all are going to really get in a dither but the fact is, if
>> >> we
>> >> want to put the scanners in the car (which is the only way to really
>> >> do our
>> >> thing) then it may be confiscated period. By the way, I am 62 yrs old
>> >> and
>> >> female. I haven't lost one yet but I do not flaunt it and am very
>> >> respectful
>> >> of the law enforcement in our area. You should be too. It is their
>> >> life in
>> >> jeopardy when the crook is listening on a scanner while they are
>> >> trying to
>> >> save your rump from being harm
>> >> > ed.
>> >> >
>> >> >
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