[Scan-DC] Drone Discussion

[Dewey]

Exactly.  Now one can argue the ancient 1981 rule about flying over a
"populated area", but even that's arguable since a good lawyer would say
"define populated". 10k, 15k, 20k.
 
From: Jeff Krauss [mailto:jeff at krauss.ws] 
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 22:02
To: Ed Tobias
Cc: Dewey; Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Washingtonian: This Illegal Drone Footage ofDC
IsBeautiful
 
At 09:48 PM 5/5/2014, Ed Tobias wrote:


Forget about defining "model airplanes." FAA rule 2009 also lists "Unmanned
Aircraft Systems (UAS)" as prohibited in that airspace. That's the technical
term for what are commonly referred to as "drones."   It seems pretty
definitive to me.

Not definitive at all.  It's only an agency rule.
See http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articles
<http://www.wileyrein.com/publications.cfm?sp=articles&id=9455> &id=9455 and
the NTSB ALJ decision.



Ed
Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID. Please excuse typos.


Jeff Krauss <jeff at krauss.ws> wrote:

Of course, the FAA regulations are merely agency rules, not laws.
They have the force of law until they are challenged, and overturned, 
as being arbitrary and capricious.
Model airplanes are prohibited?  Really?

I stayed in a Holiday Inn not too long ago.




At 09:14 PM 5/5/2014, Dewey wrote:
>No argument with the question, after all, we are talking about human lives!
>The problem is as Merlin already pointed out... "model aircraft" are
>specifically listed as restricted in the DC FRZ.  However, it was the NTSB
>Administrative Law Judge who pointed out the problem with the apparent lack
>of definition for "model aircraft".  I'm not a lawyer, do not play one, and
>don't remember if I've ever stayed at a Holiday Inn, but I still say that
>the precedence has been set with the overturning of the FAA's fine.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Krauss [ mailto:jeff at krauss.ws <mailto:jeff at krauss.ws> ]
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2014 21:05
>To: merlin at merlinjacobs.com; Dewey; Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Washingtonian: This Illegal Drone Footage ofDC
>IsBeautiful
>
>The FAA may well be overreaching on the general subject of those
>model airplanes called "drones".
>But is anyone going to take them on for their rules for the DC Flight
>Restricted Zone?
>
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