[Scan-DC] License Plate Readers

[Doug Kitchener]

yeh, the revenue is just a little side benefit.

:(



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> From: Earthlink <traff11 at earthlink.net>
> To: Dewey3 <dewey3 at gmail.com>
> Cc: "Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net" <Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 12:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] License Plate Readers
> 
> PG County does it "right" as well - the speed camera fine is $40.  No 
> points, no insurance company can raise your premiums and it does not go on your 
> driving record.  Not many folks willing to miss a day of work for $40.  What a 
> deal!  It is, of course, about safety only.
> 
> Frank Carson
> 
> On Jan 15, 2013, at 9:59, Dewey3 <dewey3 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>>  Here's the funny thing about DC... tickets are NOT supposed to be a 
> means
>>  of generating revenue.  Rather, tickets are meant to increase safety by
>>  decreasing the chances of repeat offenders and discouraging first
>>  offenders.  HA!!!  DC has already PUBLICLY talked about how they are
>>  increasing their camera count to reduce their deficit.  I have yet to see
>>  one, or even know how they are going to operate, but DC is supposed to also
>>  be getting stop sign cameras!  Now with that said, I have always said that
>>  DC is least at a win-win scenario.  If you are ticketed, it's the 
> vehicle
>>  and not the driver that gets the ticket.  How is this win-win... because
>>  the city gets their money, yet you do NOT get any points (the gift that
>>  keeps on giving... insurance).  I have no studies to back this up, but my
>>  bet is that a very large number of the city's automated tickets are 
> paid
>>  without question since that is the end of the story as opposed to
>>  contesting a human issued ticket HOPING for a dismissal, traffic school,
>>  reduction in fine, dismissal of points, or any combination of the above AND
>>  a loss of a day's pay.  Just my two cents for the day.
>> 
>>  Dewey
>>  MPDC - Retired
>>  (1983 - 2010)
>> 
>>  On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:30 AM, Sheldon Daitch <SDAITCH at bbg.gov> 
> wrote:
>> 
>>>  rick,
>>> 
>>>  well, anytime you have two points and calculate the speed based
>>>  on time and distance, it has to be average speed, because there is
>>>  no way to determine instantaneous speed at any point between the
>>>  the two timing location points.
>>> 
>>>  I know there are speed cameras which determine the vehicle speed
>>>  as it passes the camera installation.  I don't know the details on
>>>  speed calculation, that is, if the vehicle has a speed change in the
>>>  speed determining zone if too much speed change will not allow
>>>  the system to detect a speeder.
>>> 
>>>  We are being told the newer cameras have license plate recognition
>>>  and if the same plate number appears at the next (or successive)
>>>  camera systems, and the math determines that the plate could not
>>>  go from point A to point B without speeding, the plate number is
>>>  flagged for a ticket.  So, if the system is in place and works, it does
>>>  seem that tickets could be issued for speeding, based on calculated
>>>  speed determined from time.
>>> 
>>>  In your Illinois example, it does seem certain vehicles (trucks) are
>>>  targeted.   I don't think other vehicles should be exempted.
>>>  Speeding is speeding.
>>> 
>>>  At least in Kuwait, the camera tickets do not seem to go against
>>>  the driver, but against the vehicle.  I don't think they mail out 
> tickets
>>>  but they do collect the fines at vehicle registration time.  Don't 
> pay
>>>  the ticket, you can't renew the registration.  Now, interestingly
>>>  enough, there are no plate changes, no stickers, nothing, so
>>>  it is impossible to determine from looking at the plate that the
>>>  registration is or is not current.
>>> 
>>>  73
>>>  Sheldon
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