[Scan-DC] License Plate Readers

Mon Jan 14 09:52:34 EST 2013

I knew many police jurisdictions have the mobile readers attached to the patrol cars--but the mounted ones are new to me. I didn't realize until I read the Kabir Cares blog (http://www.kabircares.org/council-to-discuss-security-cameras-at-edgewood-and-rhode-island-intersection/)   I can kind of see the great it sounds from an investigative standpoint for some cases, but I'm not sure how good it is to know someone drove by an intersection x number of times.  

In a investigative manner,  looking at the sniper shooting case, if a list of plate numbers of cars located near the scene, it would have brought out a lead more quickly.

However, from the constitutional side of things, not sure how I feel about the data being kept and used.  Other than a rare event, how useful will the data be, how long will it be kept, how will it be used, etc.  

I'm all for technology and I guess it's kinda interesting/scary that one camera can do so much more than one patrol officer sitting at an intersection and writing down plate numbers, just in case the plate may come up again and be useful. 

Just my four cents,
David 

On Jan 14, 2013, at 9:26 AM, Doug Kitchener wrote:

> I didn't know there were fixed ones... not sure I understand that concept, would someone care to elaborate?  "Oh, there, a wanted car just drove by my corner!"
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> I think in more and more states, the data from license plates is not available to the general public - however, in states where it is still in the public domain, I suppose people would harvest it and sell it...
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> DK
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> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Alan Henney <alan at henney.com>
>> To: Scan DC <Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net>
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>> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 2:34 AM
>> Subject: [Scan-DC] License Plate Readers
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>> 
>> One might think in this day of technology, private individuals would have LPR 
>> networks to harvest and sell data.  Or perhaps they do and I never found out 
>> yet?
>> 
>> Do we know where all the fixed LPRs are in D.C.?  I know the one on Benning and 
>> the other on 16st St at Carter Barron.  Any others?
>> 
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>> 
>> St. Paul Pioneer Press (Minnesota)
>> 
>> January 11, 2013 Friday
>> 
>> Minneapolis license plate data raises privacy questions
>> 
>> BYLINE: By Curtis Gilbert Minnesota Public Radio
>> 
>> SECTION: LEGISLATURE; Crime and Court Stories; Minnesota-Twin Cities; West 
>> Metro; State
>> 
>> LENGTH: 725 words
>> 
>> Academics and entrepreneurs nationwide have received copies of a massive 
>> database that the Minneapolis Police Department uses to track the location of 
>> cars. Where some see business or research opportunities, the city sees a public 
>> safety risk.
>> 
>> The data come from the city's network of automatic license plate readers -- 
>> cameras that record the locations of hundreds of thousands of cars every month.
>> 
>> Minneapolis has received at least 100 requests for data from its license plate 
>> scanners over the past five months, ever since the Star Tribune first reported 
>> on the existence of the data. Most requests came from people who wanted to know 
>> where the scanners had spotted an individual license plate. More than a third 
>> came from one man, Alex Peterson, who repossesses cars for a living. 
>> 
>> "I see a license plate hit in this neighborhood, and I do work on the 
>> Internet and find out they have a relative who lives in that neighborhood and 
>> find it at that address," Peterson said. "There's a lot of 
>> different ways I can use the information."
>> 
>> Minnesota law makes all data collected by the government public, unless it is 
>> specifically classified otherwise. Minneapolis dutifully turns over the 
>> information to anyone who asks.
>> 
>> But in December, the city abruptly changed its approach and asked the state to 
>> issue an order rendering the data private for the next two years while it 
>> lobbies the Legislature to change the law.
>> 
>> "It became clear to us that this was creating a real risk to public 
>> safety," said Susan Segal, city attorney.
>> 
>> Segal said the license plate readers are designed to help police find criminals 
>> and stolen cars. In the wrong hands, the data they collect could be used to 
>> commit crimes.
>> 
>> "Victims of domestic abuse, for example, don't want their batterers to 
>> know where they're living or where they may be working," Segal said.
>> 
>> The city also is concerned about the increasing amounts of data being requested.
>> 
>> In addition to inquiries about specific license plates, Minneapolis also 
>> received numerous requests for the entire database. Earlier this month, it 
>> released a file containing some 2.1 million records covering a three-month 
>> period.
>> 
>> Nine people received the database. One of them was Mark Pitts of Rogers, who is 
>> finishing a master's degree in statistics.
>> 
>> "And so I thought it would be an interesting data set for my master's 
>> project, and it turned out to be a very interesting data set, as you know," 
>> Pitts said.
>> 
>> Eight of the license plate scanners are attached to police cars. Pitts said the 
>> scanners don't just record the locations of nearby vehicles; they also 
>> record the movements of the police.
>> 
>> "And so you can literally see everywhere they went. I can tell you when 
>> they stopped for lunch. I can tell you when they met at the hospital," 
>> Pitts said. "There's a lot more information about their activities and 
>> movements in this data then there are about any single individual."
>> 
>> That's why Pitts supports making the data private. But some of the other 
>> people who have examined the data disagree.
>> 
>> Arthur D'Antonio, 25, is a California-based Web developer who has requested 
>> similar data from other cities around the country. He is exploring whether the 
>> data have commercial applications.
>> 
>> "I personally believe that the data shouldn't be being stored on 
>> innocent people at all. But I also believe that if it is, we're paying for 
>> that," D'Antonio said. "And so anybody should be able to use it 
>> for whatever legal purpose they want to use it for."
>> 
>> D'Antonio hasn't figured out exactly how to make money using the data, 
>> but the fact that automobile repossession companies have been using it suggests 
>> one possibility, he said.
>> 
>> "Is there any way that we could have made it so that that guy could have 
>> obtained that data, quicker, more efficiently, maybe even on the go?" 
>> D'Antonio said. "That makes his business that much more successful. He 
>> can maybe hire more people. If there's opportunity, I think everybody should 
>> be looking to seize it."
>> 
>> But researchers and entrepreneurs looking for opportunities in the license plate 
>> scanner databases might have missed their chance, at least for now.
>> 
>> A recently issued administrative order classifies the data as private for at 
>> least the next three months. It applies to Minneapolis and any other Minnesota 
>> cities that collect such data. And the Legislature likely will consider whether 
>> to make the data private permanently.
>> 
>> 
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