[Scan-DC] UP Park Police incident

Wed Dec 21 18:20:36 EST 2011

Ugh, I meant to say "Maryland" not Montgomery when describing locations of
trauma centers.
On Dec 21, 2011 5:10 PM, "Cathy Drzyzgula" <cathy at drzyzgula.org> wrote:

> You probably realize this, but there isn't a level I trauma center in
> Montgomery County.  In Baltimore city there is  the U of M Shock Trauma
> center, (primary adult resource center) and Level I John's Hopkins (also a
> Pediatric Trauma Center).Montgomery County has a Level II center (Suburban
> Hospital) as does Baltimore City (Hopkins Bayview and Sinai) and Prince
> Georges (P.G. Hospital Center).
>
>
> Cathy D
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Andrew Feinberg
> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:50 PM
> To: Clegg, Andrew W.
> Cc: Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net; Blair Thompson
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] UP Park Police incident
>
> Often helicopters will be staffed by a medic and a flight nurse instead of
> a
> medic and an emt, making for a higher standard of care. As for the efficacy
> of air transport to save time, consider a level I trauma needs to go to a
> level I trauma center, of which there are two in Montgomery and DC (Wash.
> Hospital Center and MD Shock Trauma). It's not always feasible to transport
> by ground to one because of distance, traffic, availability of beds at one
> or the other, or all 3.
>
> Just a thought,
>
> Andrew
> On Dec 21, 2011 4:41 PM, "Clegg, Andrew W." <aclegg at nsf.gov> wrote:
>
> > Yes, I believe you are referring to the one that started when I
> > questioned the wisdom of calling for a helicopter (on a Sunday
> > morning) for the injured person in Arlington. I recall that someone
> > tried to justify it by claiming that somehow the helicopters were
> > equipped with personnel who were so much more skilled than regular
> > EMTs that it would justify the additional 1/2 hour - 45 minute delay
> > in getting the person to the hospital. I don't buy that argument, but
> > I really can't explain the rationale for the helicopter myself, other
> > than perhaps there's a lot of political pressure to justify the
> > existence of these hugely expensive resources. I totally understand
> > the rationale for using helicopters for injured people in rural and
> > some suburban areas, but not here in the city, where you're a 5-15
> > minute ambulance ride from the hospital (except perhaps during rush
> hour).
> >
> > By the way, apparently the accident rate associated with medical
> > helicopters is really high. A random Google search turned up this
> > passage from a Popular Mechanics article:
> >
> > "As a result of flying ill-equipped into risky conditions, medical
> > helicopters crash at twice the rate of other air taxis and are
> > exponentially more dangerous than commercial airliners, according to a
> > 2009 study by Ira Blumen, medical and program director of the
> > University of Chicago Aeromedical Network."
> > (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/aviation/safety/medical-he
> > li
> > copter-safety-crashes).
> >
> > Between the time wasted in getting people to a hospital, and the very
> > high accident rate, I really don't see the wisdom of using medical
> > helicopters in a city.
> >
> > Andy
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Blair Thompson
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:04 PM
> > To: Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] UP Park Police incident
> >
> > There was a lengthy discussion about three or four years ago at
> > Scan-DC about the wisdom of waiting for a helicopter vs. just taking
> > the patient to a hospital in an ambulance. I can't find the thread right
> now.
> >
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: "Clegg, Andrew W." <aclegg at nsf.gov>
> > To: "Brooks, Kurt" <knbrooks at wusa9.com>, <jeff at krauss.ws>,
> > <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> > Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] UP Park Police incident
> > Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 18:02:48 -0500
> >
> > They're transporting to Georgetown, by ground.
> >
> > Based on past incidents, I'm surprised they didn't call in a medical
> > helicopter, taking 45 minutes to fly in, locate a landing zone, land,
> > transport to helicopter, load, depart, and fly 1000 ft to Georgetown.
> > Makes about as much sense as when they took 45 minutes to pick up a
> > patient in Arlington to fly to Georgetown. Could have taken them there
> > on a bicycle in half that time.
> >
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