[Scan-DC] MoCo Communications Problems

Wed Oct 14 00:26:21 EDT 2009

As you all are aware, the radio repeater at Berkshire Towers is OOS due to a
water problem earlier today.  The Radio Shop, DTS and all associated
personnel have been working diligently all day to restore the service.
 However, as of this moment, the repair status of this service is unknown.
The repeater affects the ability to transmit and receive inside structures
primarily in the 1st and 4th battalions.  As such, the following plan will
be initiated from now, until the problem is resolved, with an update
scheduled to come at or about 2300 hrs today:

   1. 3 VRS Units will be placed in service
   2. The VRS Units will be housed at FS16, FS18 and FS12
   3. The VRS Units will have the designation VRS16, VRS18, VRS12
   4. The units will be dispatched at the discretion of ECC using the
   structure type and number of units responding as the criteria
   5. When a single 3 person EMS unit is dispatched, personnel no VRS unit
   will be dispatched and the 3rd person should remain in the unit and
   monitor “Oscar”
   6. Once all the VRS Units are deployed, ECC will begin supplementing
   single response units with manpower units.  These units are to provide radio
   support by monitoring “Oscar” and relaying radio traffic
   7. Units should release the VRS Units as soon as they are no longer
   needed
   8. Station watch will continue
   9. Condition red will continue

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 23:46, <scan-dc-request at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

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>   1. Fatal Crash on GW Pkwy (michael rumberg)
>   2. Re: Fatal Crash on GW Pkwy (b_thom at juno.com)
>   3. Re: Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
>      (b_thom at juno.com)
>   4. Re: Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
>      (Albert LaFrance)
>   5. Hazmat 728 in service (Ed Tobias)
>   6. Re: Hazmat 728 in service (Doug Kitchener)
>   7. Re: Hazmat 728 in service (Andrew Feinberg)
>   8. Montgomery Fire Communications - What's Going On? (Doug Kitchener)
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: michael rumberg <m_c_rumberg at hotmail.com>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:04:47 -0400
> Subject: [Scan-DC] Fatal Crash on GW Pkwy
>
> anyone pick up /record comms on this TA?  one of the pax was a player on
> the US Mens National Soccer team that plays at RFK tomorrow night.  trying
> to find out if he was driving or a passenger.
>
>
>
> some pics
>
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> http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local-beat/One-Dead-Road-Blocked-in-GW-Parkway-Accident-64073357.html
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> From: "b_thom at juno.com" <b_thom at juno.com>
> To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:21:44 GMT
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Fatal Crash on GW Pkwy
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: michael rumberg <m_c_rumberg at hotmail.com>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [Scan-DC] Fatal Crash on GW Pkwy
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:04:47 -0400
>
> anyone pick up /record comms on this TA?  one of the pax was a player on
> the US Mens National Soccer team that plays at RFK tomorrow night.  trying
> to find out if he was driving or a passenger.
>
> ******
>
> It's all over Google news. Not the comms, the story.
>
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "b_thom at juno.com" <b_thom at juno.com>
> To: Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:30:20 GMT
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
>
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:56 -0400
>
> Wow=2C 13 KV... is that common for that high a voltage to be in a
> residenti=
> al area that they would come in contact with it?
>
> D
>
> -----------
>
> Easily. While yardsaling this summer, I ran into someone who had a bumper
> sticker on his van about getting shocked. It turns out I knew who he was.
> The Washington Hospital Center MedStar helicopter had set up the LZ for him
> not far from where I live, and I had gone to see the transfer from rescue
> squad vehicle to helicopter. It was this guy. He brushed against a conductor
> while setting up a ladder. He survived, but he went through 23 operations
> after brushing against that conductor. That was a single phase conductor
> with 19.2 kV feeding a number of service drops on one residential street.
>
> When I talked to a guy from Pike Electric a few years back, he said that I
> have 8 kV three phase lines running past where I lived. I think it must be
> more than that.
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Albert LaFrance" <albert.lafrance at coldwar-c4i.net>
> To: <Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:02:07 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
> Here in Dominion Virginia Power territory, I think the most common primary
> distribution voltage is 34.5/19.9 KV (wye-connected; the lower voltage is
> phase-to-ground, the higher voltage is phase-to-phase).  Some older
> neighborhoods like mine have 12.5/7.2 KV, usually fed from intermediate
> substations supplied by 34.5/19.9 KV feeders.
>
> Either voltage is, of course, quite lethal.
>
> Albert
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> >[mailto:scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of b_thom at juno.com
> >Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:30 PM
> >To: Scan-DC at mailman.qth.net
> >Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
> >
> >
> >
> >---------- Original Message ----------
> >From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>
> >To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> >Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Family electrocuted putting up ham radio antenna
> >Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:41:56 -0400
> >
> >Wow=2C 13 KV... is that common for that high a voltage to be
> >in a residenti= al area that they would come in contact with it?
> >
> >D
> >
> >-----------
> >
> >Easily. While yardsaling this summer, I ran into someone who
> >had a bumper sticker on his van about getting shocked. It
> >turns out I knew who he was. The Washington Hospital Center
> >MedStar helicopter had set up the LZ for him not far from
> >where I live, and I had gone to see the transfer from rescue
> >squad vehicle to helicopter. It was this guy. He brushed
> >against a conductor while setting up a ladder. He survived,
> >but he went through 23 operations after brushing against that
> >conductor. That was a single phase conductor with 19.2 kV
> >feeding a number of service drops on one residential street.
> >
> >When I talked to a guy from Pike Electric a few years back, he
> >said that I have 8 kV three phase lines running past where I
> >lived. I think it must be more than that.
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Ed Tobias" <edtobias at comcast.net>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:55:12 -0400
> Subject: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
> Fire Chief Richard Bowers is proud to announce the in service date of the
> second of two Hazardous Material units on a Spartan Gladiator chassis, with
> a 4 person L-shaped command cab.  It is equipped with a Hackney beverage
> style body with a pinched frame. This 2007 vehicle is stock number 8-07-7076
> and labeled with the Council of Governments numbering system as HM728.
>  HM728 was placed into service on Sunday October 11, 2009.
>
>    The unit is powered by a 425 HP Series 60 Detroit Diesel motor with a
> Jake Brake through an Allison 4000 Series EVS Transmission.
>
> It has a four person Command Cab w/ desktop, cupboards, research area,
> charging systems for all electronic monitoring equipment and storage
> capacity.
>
> It is equipped with an Onan 25 KW PTO driven generator, telescoping
> Nightscan light tower, two (2) remote controlled automatic awnings and an
> electric stairway with handrails that permits safe and easy access to the
> coffin compartment area.
>
> Latest generation safety features include Roll Stability Control, passenger
> restraint technology and barricade style safety striping.
>
> Hazardous materials equipment includes laptop computers with extensive
> research capacity, weather station capabilities, overpack drums,
> non-sparking tools, 60 minute SCBA, four (4) - four (4) hour re-breathers,
> NFPA compliant Chemical Protective Clothing=2
> 0(CPC), GCMS for air monitoring, and the only propane flaring unit capable
> of burning off 525 gallons of propane per hour in the National Capital
> Region.
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:41 -0400
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
>
> Thanks Ed - this is of particular interest to me since I live in 28's
> first-due (Box 28-10)... does this unit replace an earlier one that they
> had?  Have seen what I think must be it there, but maybe it hadn't gone into
> service yet?
>
> Also, I'm curious about the fact that it's a 2007 model... have they just
> not had the funding / staffing available to place it in service before now?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: edtobias at comcast.net
> > To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:55:12 -0400
> > Subject: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
> >
> > Fire Chief Richard Bowers is proud to announce the in service date of the
> second of two Hazardous Material units on a Spartan Gladiator chassis, with
> a 4 person L-shaped command cab. It is equipped with a Hackney beverage
> style body with a pinched frame. This 2007 vehicle is stock number 8-07-7076
> and labeled with the Council of Governments numbering system as HM728. HM728
> was placed into service on Sunday October 11, 2009.
> >
> > The unit is powered by a 425 HP Series 60 Detroit Diesel motor with a
> Jake Brake through an Allison 4000 Series EVS Transmission.
> >
> > It has a four person Command Cab w/ desktop, cupboards, research area,
> charging systems for all electronic monitoring equipment and storage
> capacity.
> >
> > It is equipped with an Onan 25 KW PTO driven generator, telescoping
> Nightscan light tower, two (2) remote controlled automatic awnings and an
> electric stairway with handrails that permits safe and easy access to the
> coffin compartment area.
> >
> > Latest generation safety features include Roll Stability Control,
> passenger restraint technology and barricade style safety striping.
> >
> > Hazardous materials equipment includes laptop computers with extensive
> research capacity, weather station capabilities, overpack drums,
> non-sparking tools, 60 minute SCBA, four (4) - four (4) hour re-breathers,
> NFPA compliant Chemical Protective Clothing=2
> > 0(CPC), GCMS for air monitoring, and the only propane flaring unit
> capable of burning off 525 gallons of propane per hour in the National
> Capital Region.
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: "Andrew Feinberg" <andrew at ultraviolet.org>
> To: "Doug Kitchener" <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>,
> scan-dc-bounces at mailman.qth.net, scan-dc at mailman.qth.net
> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 02:33:59 +0000
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
> I believe it supplements the HM truck at station 7. 28 has had a team but
> no truck.
>
> My impression is that many corporations are now getting apparatus specially
> built to be standardized across Montgomery. Could not help but notice the
> beauty of the new  engine that is now in service at 26 when I was there the
> other day.
>
> --
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 22:20:41
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
>
>
> Thanks Ed - this is of particular interest to me since I live in 28's
> first-due (Box 28-10)... does this unit replace an earlier one that they
> had?  Have seen what I think must be it there, but maybe it hadn't gone into
> service yet?
>
> Also, I'm curious about the fact that it's a 2007 model... have they just
> not had the funding / staffing available to place it in service before now?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Regards,
>
> Doug
> ----------------------------------------
> > From: edtobias at comcast.net
> > To: scan-dc at mailman.qth.net
> > Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:55:12 -0400
> > Subject: [Scan-DC] Hazmat 728 in service
> >
> > Fire Chief Richard Bowers is proud to announce the in service date of the
> second of two Hazardous Material units on a Spartan Gladiator chassis, with
> a 4 person L-shaped command cab. It is equipped with a Hackney beverage
> style body with a pinched frame. This 2007 vehicle is stock number 8-07-7076
> and labeled with the Council of Governments numbering system as HM728. HM728
> was placed into service on Sunday October 11, 2009.
> >
> > The unit is powered by a 425 HP Series 60 Detroit Diesel motor with a
> Jake Brake through an Allison 4000 Series EVS Transmission.
> >
> > It has a four person Command Cab w/ desktop, cupboards, research area,
> charging systems for all electronic monitoring equipment and storage
> capacity.
> >
> > It is equipped with an Onan 25 KW PTO driven generator, telescoping
> Nightscan light tower, two (2) remote controlled automatic awnings and an
> electric stairway with handrails that permits safe and easy access to the
> coffin compartment area.
> >
> > Latest generation safety features include Roll Stability Control,
> passenger restraint technology and barricade style safety striping.
> >
> > Hazardous materials equipment includes laptop computers with extensive
> research capacity, weather station capabilities, overpack drums,
> non-sparking tools, 60 minute SCBA, four (4) - four (4) hour re-breathers,
> NFPA compliant Chemical Protective Clothing=2
> > 0(CPC), GCMS for air monitoring, and the only propane flaring unit
> capable of burning off 525 gallons of propane per hour in the National
> Capital Region.
> >
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug at hotmail.com>
> To: <scan-dc at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 23:45:57 -0400
> Subject: [Scan-DC] Montgomery Fire Communications - What's Going On?
>
> All,
>
> Does anyone know what might be going on with Montgomery County's fire
> communications this evening?  Since 4:30 this afternoon (it's now 11:30
> p.m.) I have noticed an open carrier on their 154.16 VHF frequency - I
> didn't notice it this morning when driving to work, so it started sometime
> during the day.  I've been picking up this open carrier all over the county
> - Rockville, Silver Spring (Calverton area), and Gaithersburg, on different
> radios - a friend in Wheaton is also getting it.  They are still
> transmitting (simulcasting) on that frequency, however, and the repeater
> system appears to be working properly.
>
> In addition, beginning around 8 this evening I have heard references to
> units with the call sign "VRS-7##" (specifically VRS-718 and VRS-712) -
> VRS-712 was just dispatched on a run with one of the EMS units from Station
> 12 (Hillandale).  (No idea when this began, either, but I didn't hear it
> between 4:30 and 5:30, and wasn't listening from 5:30 to 7:30).  To me,
> "VRS" means "Vehicle Repeater System", and I do know that there is a VRS
> system available in Montgomery County.  It appears as if they may be having
> communication problems and are handling them by dispatching additional units
> (but as far as I know they don't have any "dedicated" VRS units... I had the
> impression that the command vehicles [and possibly others] were so
> equipped.)  But while listening to the 800-MHz system, it seems normal - no
> indication of any problems - am not hearing the periodic "boops" that
> indicate that the 800-system is in fail-soft mode, and they are (apparently)
> not under "Condition Red" or any of the other usual hysteria that occurs
> when they have radio trouble.
>
> As far as I know, the VHF simulcast transmissions are mainly for volunteers
> who may not have migrated to the 800-MHz system - in other words, the
> apparatus no longer uses the VHF system... I usually scan the VHF side
> because it sounds better (and works better!) and only listen to the
> 800-system if they're operating on the fireground talkgroups.
>
> As I write this, it dawns on me that I hadn't thought to take a listen to
> the police comms and see if anything weird is going on there... but they
> abandoned their UHF frequencies and simulcasts long ago, and they haven't
> been on VHF for many years...
>
> So - any ideas or info?
>
> 2345, KGC-334 (!)
>
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