[SADXA] CY9C OQRS now open

Fri Aug 9 12:51:40 EDT 2019

That should have read  "I don't know of a single DXpedition that only 
used "unusual communication modes"...

Sometimes the brain gets ahead of the fingers when I'm typing.

Jim

On 8/9/2019 9:39 AM, Jim Wysocki wrote:
> The Clublog system has undergone a lot of redesign and systems 
> maintenance recently so if they chose to zero out the previous OQRS 
> records, it harms nobody.  I was in touch with G7VJR a few weeks ago 
> about one particular cosmetic problem with dead records on the OQRS 
> list, and so got a glimpse from him of what was happening under the 
> hood.  He and his team of volunteers do a great job, so I cut them a 
> lot of slack for keeping the service in as good a shape as it is.
>
> I don't know of a single DXpedition that used "unusual communications 
> modes" so I'm not worried about a no-institutional funding 
> possibility.  The CY9C crew used at least SSB, CW, RTTY, and FT8, and 
> perhaps others like PSK.  This particular group looks like they're 
> primarily self-funded.  I doubt if they'd worry too much about getting 
> a lot of external money, except perhaps to say that it would be nice 
> to have.  It will be interesting to peruse their band-by-mode QSO 
> matrix when it's published to see how effective the more traditional 
> modes were with respect to the digital ones.
>
> 73,  Jim  W9FI
>
> On 8/8/2019 6:25 PM, Wes wrote:
>> I know how it works.  The point is, if you have already used OQRS 
>> then it should show "Requested" with an option to request again.
>>
>> Most expeditions are asking for $3.00. I realize they can ask for 
>> whatever they want.  They can also set their own QSL policy, that 
>> said, some foundations frown on expeditions that don't use the bureau 
>> system.  INDEXA, which I support, requires expeditions to follow 
>> certain standards to receive funding from them.  They say this about 
>> QSLing:
>>
>> "A fair QSL Policy is also required. INDEXA believes that DXers 
>> should have an option to receive a paper QSL confirmation
>> at no cost to them through the QSL Bureau system. The QSL could be 
>> requested through OQRS or by sending a
>> QSL card via the bureau to the DXpedition’s QSL manager. INDEXA 
>> believes that DXers should be able to request a
>> direct paper QSL from the DXpedition’s QSL Manager by providing an 
>> SASE with necessary return postage or by providing
>> an SAE with minimal funds necessary to cover return postage. This 
>> policy encourages those with lesser means to
>> participate in chasing DX. Perhaps encouraging young people now will 
>> cause some of them to make significant contributions
>> to DXing in the future if their interest is maintained and they don't 
>> feel shut out now by the high cost of getting QSLcards.
>> The DXer always has the option of contributing to the DXpedition’s 
>> expenses if they are able, but it should not be
>> a requirement to receive a QSL. INDEXA also believes that OQRS is a 
>> service provided to the DXer. We believe a minimum
>> charge for the service is warranted and is left to the option of the 
>> DXpedition. A full LoTW upload is required within
>> one year after the DXpedition is over."
>>
>> NCDXF, which I also personally support and SADXA supports has a 
>> similar policy requiring LoTW uploads, AND...
>>
>> "Operations restricted to unusual communications such as RTTY, 
>> satellite, EME, VHF and UHF are not supported, although HF CW and SSB 
>> operations that we do support are welcome to use these modes as an 
>> enhancement."  So no FT8-only operations are supported.
>>
>> Wes  N7WS
>>
>> , On 8/8/2019 2:11 PM, Jim Wysocki wrote:
>>> Wes, I believe you can pick and choose among the QSOs.  Don't make a 
>>> selection regarding any particular QSO and when you go to confirm 
>>> the rest of them on the next screen it shouldn't be there.  Still it 
>>> seems like a moot point to me.  Since confirmation of the first QSO 
>>> is $4.50 and all of the rest of them are free, just check them all 
>>> even if it means duplicating the confirmation of the 2016 QSOs.  All 
>>> it means is there will be extra QSO lines on the QSL card, or 
>>> duplicate LotW confirmation records.
>>>
>>> I'm getting five new band fills this time around, so that's only 50 
>>> cents per QSO.  Throw in the other five confirmations from 2016 and 
>>> they're a quarter a piece.  Everyone has their own threshold of 
>>> tolerance, but for me OQRS is economically more viable than QSL 
>>> cards and an SASE. As long as the LotW confirmations show up, I 
>>> don't even care if a card ever arrives or not.
>>>
>>> On your other topic, even FT8 didn't help them over here on 15m and 
>>> above and on 160.  With the Catalinas and Rincons being between me 
>>> and St. Paul island, the mountains knocked down the signals to the 
>>> point where CW was useless and even FT8 wasn't reliable enough copy 
>>> to make QSOs on some bands. The only way I got them on 80 was via 
>>> FT8.  Their CW signal on that band was buried deeply enough into the 
>>> QRN as to make it unreadable.  On 10, 12, 15, or 160 neither their 
>>> signals nor their pileups were detectable on any mode.  On 80, 40, 
>>> and 30, only FT8 got deep enough into the noise to pull out a CY9 
>>> signal at this QTH.  So my opinion is to forget about tradition and 
>>> bring on more FT8 DXpeditions.
>>>
>>> 73,  Jim  W9FI
>>>
>>> On 8/8/2019 12:13 PM, Wes wrote:
>>>> Their records aren't very good.  Other than two recent FT8 QSOs, 
>>>> that I won't worry about confirming, my 11 Qs from 2016 are all 
>>>> confirmed, yet OQRS wants me to apply again.
>>>>
>>>> Additionally, $4.50 is above normal and I see they are taking 
>>>> advantage of the recent change to OQRS that removed the requirement 
>>>> that they needed to offer free bureau cards.
>>>>
>>>> Hope they had fun on their FT8 expedition.
>>>>
>>>> Wes  N7WS
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 8/8/2019 11:02 AM, Jim Wysocki wrote:
>>>>> The CY9C crew has ceased operations and now has their Online QSL 
>>>>> Request Service open at ClubLog. Here's the link to where you can 
>>>>> check on whether or not you're in their log and if so, to order 
>>>>> QSL cards and (hopefully) early LotW confirmations as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://clublog.org/charts/?c=CY9C
>>>>>
>>>>> 73,  Jim  W9FI 
>>>>
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