From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  1 00:55:04 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 21:55:04 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Worked VK0EK Heard.. 14027 SP 0431Z
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Short Path Best - was stronger earlier.. 
However, I think East Coast propagation disappeared for him. 
He ended up calling CQ when I worked him. 
200W

73s, Bill W7EXG


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 01:13:16 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:13:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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FYI



*April 1, 2016*

*Washington, D.C. ? April 1, 2016 ? Today, the Federal Communications
Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
licensees. ?It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test,? admits
Dotty Dasher, the FCC?s director of examinations. ?We now realize that
being able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can?t.?*

*Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
the testing on May 1, 2016.*

*?This isn?t going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,?
noted Dasher. ?We?re going to be sending five-character random code groups,
just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key.?*

*Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
nor will a test be required for new applicants. ?We discussed it,? said
Dasher, ?but decided that since most Techs can?t even figure out how to
program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
unusual punishment.?*

*When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted
that in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to
draw circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers,
once again. ?We?re beginning to think that if an applicant passes an
amateur radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows
something,? she said.*

*For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
Deputy Chief of Public Relations for the FCC .*



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From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  1 01:32:04 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:32:04 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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I think Dotty Dasher is being too politically correct, by dumbing down the
code test speeds. 13wpm for Generals..etc..... as I recall.

73s, Bill W7EXG

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Solomon
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
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FYI



*April 1, 2016*

*Washington, D.C. - April 1, 2016 - Today, the Federal Communications
Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
licensees. "It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test," admits
Dotty Dasher, the FCC's director of examinations. "We now realize that
being able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can't."*

*Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
the testing on May 1, 2016.*

*"This isn't going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,"
noted Dasher. "We're going to be sending five-character random code groups,
just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key."*

*Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
nor will a test be required for new applicants. "We discussed it," said
Dasher, "but decided that since most Techs can't even figure out how to
program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
unusual punishment."*

*When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted
that in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to
draw circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers,
once again. "We're beginning to think that if an applicant passes an
amateur radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows
something," she said.*

*For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
Deputy Chief of Public Relations for the FCC .*



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From K7RJ at COMCAST.NET  Fri Apr  1 01:40:01 2016
From: K7RJ at COMCAST.NET (Ron Jones)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:40:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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I'll tell you, Dotty Dasher did it. When I was a kid, I had to send code up
hill, both ways.

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I think Dotty Dasher is being too politically correct, by dumbing down the
code test speeds. 13wpm for Generals..etc..... as I recall.

73s, Bill W7EXG

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Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
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Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test

FYI



*April 1, 2016*

*Washington, D.C. - April 1, 2016 - Today, the Federal Communications
Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
licensees. "It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test," admits
Dotty Dasher, the FCC's director of examinations. "We now realize that
being able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can't."*

*Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
the testing on May 1, 2016.*

*"This isn't going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,"
noted Dasher. "We're going to be sending five-character random code groups,
just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key."*

*Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
nor will a test be required for new applicants. "We discussed it," said
Dasher, "but decided that since most Techs can't even figure out how to
program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
unusual punishment."*

*When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted
that in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to
draw circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers,
once again. "We're beginning to think that if an applicant passes an
amateur radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows
something," she said.*

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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Apr  1 01:48:12 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 22:48:12 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Worked VK0EK Heard.. 14027 SP 0431Z
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Congratulations.

I seem to be missing the times that they're coming through.  I check and they're 
not there, or buried in noise or jammers, I go away to do other things and come 
back to find that they were worked an hour earlier by everyone else in AZ.  At 
least I got them on 30 for a new one.  It's pretty much a given I think (as I 
predicted) that they won't be going to Spit Bay as promised by the glib salesman 
Bob.

I'm having no better luck with the FT5.  They are more easily heard but the 
pileups just get more and more unruly. Fortunately, I don't need this one.  This 
is supposed to be fun, but it isn't anymore.

On 3/31/2016 9:55 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Short Path Best - was stronger earlier..
> However, I think East Coast propagation disappeared for him.
> He ended up calling CQ when I worked him.
> 200W
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  1 07:47:10 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 04:47:10 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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Bienvenidos al Dia de los Tontos.

On 3/31/2016 10:13 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> FYI
>
>
>
> *April 1, 2016*
>
> *Washington, D.C. ? April 1, 2016 ? Today, the Federal Communications
> Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
> reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
> licensees. ?It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test,? admits
> Dotty Dasher, the FCC?s director of examinations. ?We now realize that
> being able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
> amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can?t.?*
>
> *Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
> licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
> 5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
> a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
> fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
> Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
> Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
> the testing on May 1, 2016.*
>
> *?This isn?t going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,?
> noted Dasher. ?We?re going to be sending five-character random code groups,
> just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
> they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key.?*
>
> *Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
> nor will a test be required for new applicants. ?We discussed it,? said
> Dasher, ?but decided that since most Techs can?t even figure out how to
> program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
> unusual punishment.?*
>
> *When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted
> that in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to
> draw circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers,
> once again. ?We?re beginning to think that if an applicant passes an
> amateur radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows
> something,? she said.*
>
> *For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
> Deputy Chief of Public Relations for the FCC .*
>
>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Fri Apr  1 09:06:10 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 06:06:10 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Worked VK0EK Heard.. 14027 SP 0431Z
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Wes:

You just described the difference between those who have them all and 
those who don't. Those who do have them all let nothing get in the way 
of listening for that rare one at any time at any place. The jammers so 
often make it very difficult to get through and one turns the radio off 
in disgust rather than keep trying. Watching the posts is very important 
any more where in the past one had to listen listen listen, rather than 
watch the posts when that rare one is being heard in ones area.

_DXing is far easier now_ than it used to be because of all the 
information available on the internet to track the DX.

Just a thought

Jerry
W6XI

On 3/31/2016 10:48 PM, Wes wrote:
> Congratulations.
>
> I seem to be missing the times that they're coming through.  I check 
> and they're not there, or buried in noise or jammers, I go away to do 
> other things and come back to find that they were worked an hour 
> earlier by everyone else in AZ.  At least I got them on 30 for a new 
> one.  It's pretty much a given I think (as I predicted) that they 
> won't be going to Spit Bay as promised by the glib salesman Bob.
>
> I'm having no better luck with the FT5.  They are more easily heard 
> but the pileups just get more and more unruly. Fortunately, I don't 
> need this one.  This is supposed to be fun, but it isn't anymore.
>
> On 3/31/2016 9:55 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> Short Path Best - was stronger earlier..
>> However, I think East Coast propagation disappeared for him.
>> He ended up calling CQ when I worked him.
>> 200W
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
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From wd7f at wd7f.com  Fri Apr  1 10:57:03 2016
From: wd7f at wd7f.com (WD7F - John)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 07:57:03 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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Daddy did it, payday today.

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:40 PM
To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test

I'll tell you, Dotty Dasher did it. When I was a kid, I had to send code up
hill, both ways.

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W7EXG (Bill)
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:32 PM
To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test

I think Dotty Dasher is being too politically correct, by dumbing down the
code test speeds. 13wpm for Generals..etc..... as I recall.

73s, Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Solomon
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
To: SADXA
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test

FYI



*April 1, 2016*

*Washington, D.C. - April 1, 2016 - Today, the Federal Communications
Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
licensees. "It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test," admits
Dotty Dasher, the FCC's director of examinations. "We now realize that being
able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can't."*

*Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
the testing on May 1, 2016.*

*"This isn't going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,"
noted Dasher. "We're going to be sending five-character random code groups,
just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key."*

*Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
nor will a test be required for new applicants. "We discussed it," said
Dasher, "but decided that since most Techs can't even figure out how to
program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
unusual punishment."*

*When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted that
in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to draw
circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers, once
again. "We're beginning to think that if an applicant passes an amateur
radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows something,"
she said.*

*For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
Deputy Chief of Public Relations for the FCC .*



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From ted at teddowning.com  Fri Apr  1 11:10:18 2016
From: ted at teddowning.com (ted at teddowning.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 15:10:18 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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1 April announcement?  Or real?

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 7:57 AM, WD7F - John <wd7f at wd7f.com> wrote:
> 
> Daddy did it, payday today.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Jones
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:40 PM
> To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
> 
> I'll tell you, Dotty Dasher did it. When I was a kid, I had to send code up
> hill, both ways.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W7EXG (Bill)
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:32 PM
> To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
> 
> I think Dotty Dasher is being too politically correct, by dumbing down the
> code test speeds. 13wpm for Generals..etc..... as I recall.
> 
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Solomon
> Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:13 PM
> To: SADXA
> Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
> 
> FYI
> 
> 
> 
> *April 1, 2016*
> 
> *Washington, D.C. - April 1, 2016 - Today, the Federal Communications
> Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
> reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
> licensees. "It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test," admits
> Dotty Dasher, the FCC's director of examinations. "We now realize that being
> able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
> amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can't."*
> 
> *Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
> licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
> 5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
> a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
> fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
> Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
> Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
> the testing on May 1, 2016.*
> 
> *"This isn't going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,"
> noted Dasher. "We're going to be sending five-character random code groups,
> just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
> they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key."*
> 
> *Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
> nor will a test be required for new applicants. "We discussed it," said
> Dasher, "but decided that since most Techs can't even figure out how to
> program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
> unusual punishment."*
> 
> *When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted that
> in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to draw
> circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers, once
> again. "We're beginning to think that if an applicant passes an amateur
> radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows something,"
> she said.*
> 
> *For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
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> 
> 
> 
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Apr  1 12:30:41 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 09:30:41 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DX Spots
Message-ID: <56FEA231.8060205@triconet.org>

Worked FT4JA 21037 up 20 @1622Z

JW/DL7DF 14008 up 1.5 @1626Z

Not new for me.

From RSoifer1 at aol.com  Fri Apr  1 13:12:02 2016
From: RSoifer1 at aol.com (RSoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:12:02 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] DX Spots..
Message-ID: <3cbcb3.26dc33a9.443005e2@aol.com>

FT4JA is 569 here, but I don't need it on CW so I didn't call.  I  couldn't 
hear Heard on 7100 either.  No 40m beam.
 
GL Ray W2RS
 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2016 9:47:51 A.M. US Mountain Standard T ime,  
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Worked  FT4JA 21037 up 20 @1622Z

JW/DL7DF 14008 up 1.5 @1626Z

Not  new for  me.
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From k7bhm at cox.net  Fri Apr  1 13:37:18 2016
From: k7bhm at cox.net (k7bhm at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 10:37:18 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Fwd: [AR902Mhz] FCC to Reinstate Morse Code Test
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Message-ID: <20160401133718.LEE34.20994.imail@eastrmwml213>

AND A NICE BIG  "APRIL FOOL"  TO ALL OF YOU< TOO>>

Bob - K7BHM


---- Richard Solomon <dickw1ksz at gmail.com> wrote: 
> FYI



*April 1, 2016*

*Washington, D.C. ? April 1, 2016 ? Today, the Federal Communications
Commission (Commission or FCC) approved Report and Order 14-987af which
reinstates the Morse Code test for General Class and Amateur Extra Class
licensees. ?It was a big mistake eliminating the Morse Code test,? admits
Dotty Dasher, the FCC?s director of examinations. ?We now realize that
being able to send and receive Morse Code is an essential skill for radio
amateurs. As they say, it really does get through when other modes can?t.?*

*Not only will new applicants have to take the test, but General Class
licensees who have never passed a code test will have one year to pass a
5-wpm code test. Similarly, Amateur Extra class licensees that never passed
a code test will have one year to pass a 13-wpm test. Those amateurs that
fail to pass the test will face revocation of their operating privileges.
Materials for administering the examinations will be distributed to
Volunteer Examiner Coordinators by the end of April, so that they can begin
the testing on May 1, 2016.*

*?This isn?t going to be one of those silly multiple-choice type tests,?
noted Dasher. ?We?re going to be sending five-character random code groups,
just like we did in the old days. And, applicants will have to prove that
they can send, too, using a poorly adjusted straight key.?*

*Technician Class licensees will not be required to take a Morse Code test,
nor will a test be required for new applicants. ?We discussed it,? said
Dasher, ?but decided that since most Techs can?t even figure out how to
program their HTs, requiring them to learn Morse Code seemed like cruel and
unusual punishment.?*

*When asked what other actions we might see from the FCC, Dasher hinted
that in the future applicants taking the written exam may be required to
draw circuit diagrams, such as Colpitts oscillators and diode ring mixers,
once again. ?We?re beginning to think that if an applicant passes an
amateur radio license exam it  should mean that he or she actually knows
something,? she said.*

*For further information, contact James X. Shorts, Assistant Liaison to the
Deputy Chief of Public Relations for the FCC .*



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From K7RJ at COMCAST.NET  Fri Apr  1 14:09:35 2016
From: K7RJ at COMCAST.NET (Ron Jones)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:09:35 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Silent Key Night
Message-ID: <000001d18c41$a66d7850$f34868f0$@NET>

Don?t know if this got sent correctly. If you get it twice, put it in the
dead letter box.

 

 

 

Announcing a new on air operating event:  Silent Key Night

 

Beginning midnight, April 1 till the bands are dead will be an opportunity
to resurrect those long lost contacts and reconnect to the old timers who
have gone QRT.  In the spirit of ham radio let?s get on the air and see how
many of the old timers we can raise. 

Use any mode or medium such as CW, Phone, or s?ance.  You may want to use an
antenna that has a strong vertical signal and point the antenna up toward
the heavens, or, depending on which silent key operator you work, you may
want the reverse radiation pattern.

 

If you hear a distant, ghostly sound, it may be an E-LDE (Extremely Long
Delayed Echo) or may possibly be one of the old time silent key operators
buried in a pileup.  This may be the perfect excuse you need to try to
resurrect one of your dead rigs.

 

Don?t pass away an opportunity to operate from a unique location such as a
local morgue, or in a field such as in a cemetery. But plan ahead. If your
batteries die, this will indeed be a grave situation.

 

Score:

One point per silent key contact.

One half point for each ?ghost contact? (That is where you think you worked
them but weren?t really sure).

Bonus: 1000 bonus points for working The Old Man himself.

You qualify for a special certificate if you yourself are a silent key.

 

Doesn?t be a deadbeat; join the fun on Silent Key Night, where the bands
will be alive.

 

 

 


From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  1 14:06:18 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 11:06:18 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Worked VK0EK Heard.. 14027 SP 0431Z
In-Reply-To: <56FE0B9C.8080207@triconet.org>
References: <BLUPR10MB043434A87AEBD0CC903C830E82870@BLUPR10MB0434.namprd10.prod.outlook.com><4ECCDE09-5570-4D00-9D71-947ECB32A361
	@yahoo.com><1999790751.2184471.1459290199511.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><CACOaMFTH_NwE-_7VJ5kaFHA5U_k8jAjzPG-BqQR4ivvCKPNQYQ
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	<56FE0B9C.8080207@triconet.org>
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Wes, 

As mentioned in my 3/24 REFLECTOR comments, propagation is +/- about the two
greyline times, and I have observed no consistency in the SP or LP or AM/PM
propagation strength to Heard Island.  

What I found interesting last night.. was the disappearance of the East
Coast Clutter on 20m, just before I worked Heard. I could not hear any
pile-up QRM down from 14027. NOTHING!  VK0EK was calling CQ Dn, suggesting
no pile-up was being heard at HEARD? This prompted my call with 200W. 

There may be a sweet spot in the evening, when West Coast propagation peaks,
and East Coast Propagation subsides. Best of Both Worlds, for US!  It was
9:31pm here at the time of my contact, or 12:31am EDT. (Last time I checked,
things were pretty quiet on 20m, by 12:30am locally.)

In this case on 20m, using Mother Nature to block out the East Coast QRM at
Heard, is a good tactical plan!! Hi Hi. It may also apply to 17m, just
before the band crashes. I'll check this out tonight.. 

As Jerry (W6XI) pointed out, Technology is making DX much easier than in the
"OLD DAYS", except for fellow Operators exhibiting poor judgment, regarding
Spectrum Utilization etiquette. I put exploiting Mother Nature, to block
Eastern QRM (and associated bad operators), in a similar category. 

The fun is in the chase, and the challenge in the face of adversity. 

Best 73s, Bill W7EXG


-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:48 PM
To: sadxa at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Worked VK0EK Heard.. 14027 SP 0431Z

Congratulations.

I seem to be missing the times that they're coming through.  I check and
they're 
not there, or buried in noise or jammers, I go away to do other things and
come 
back to find that they were worked an hour earlier by everyone else in AZ.
At 
least I got them on 30 for a new one.  It's pretty much a given I think (as
I 
predicted) that they won't be going to Spit Bay as promised by the glib
salesman 
Bob.

I'm having no better luck with the FT5.  They are more easily heard but the 
pileups just get more and more unruly. Fortunately, I don't need this one.
This 
is supposed to be fun, but it isn't anymore.

On 3/31/2016 9:55 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Short Path Best - was stronger earlier..
> However, I think East Coast propagation disappeared for him.
> He ended up calling CQ when I worked him.
> 200W
>
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> 


From rolland.sicard at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 14:13:44 2016
From: rolland.sicard at yahoo.com (Rolland Sicard)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 18:13:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [SADXA] FCC to require code for license
References: <1012985715.1321743.1459534424924.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1012985715.1321743.1459534424924.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

That will essentially eliminate of the majority of amatuer radio operators.

From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Fri Apr  1 15:04:16 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 12:04:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO_FFecjvhR0pSn0ziFYa2GBirUQGChqzVQKDMRc14a-Xw@mail.gmail.com>

I have two older Shuttle Computers.
Both work, one has a Pentium 4, the
other an Athlon 64 Chip.

Would make nice repeater controllers
or logging computer.

Free for the taking. If no interest, they
go to Goodwill tomorrow.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

From pinkfoster at yahoo.com  Fri Apr  1 16:32:05 2016
From: pinkfoster at yahoo.com (pinkfoster)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 13:32:05 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Silent Key Night
In-Reply-To: <000001d18c41$a66d7850$f34868f0$@NET>
References: <000001d18c41$a66d7850$f34868f0$@NET>
Message-ID: <DD0AD4C1-66E4-492F-A191-10A7FA6411B1@yahoo.com>

Awesome!!!! Thanks!!!

73&88,
Pink (not a ghost yet)

"The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams."
Eleanor Roosevelt

> On Apr 1, 2016, at 11:09 AM, Ron Jones <K7RJ at COMCAST.NET> wrote:
> 
> Don?t know if this got sent correctly. If you get it twice, put it in the
> dead letter box.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Announcing a new on air operating event:  Silent Key Night
> 
> 
> 
> Beginning midnight, April 1 till the bands are dead will be an opportunity
> to resurrect those long lost contacts and reconnect to the old timers who
> have gone QRT.  In the spirit of ham radio let?s get on the air and see how
> many of the old timers we can raise. 
> 
> Use any mode or medium such as CW, Phone, or s?ance.  You may want to use an
> antenna that has a strong vertical signal and point the antenna up toward
> the heavens, or, depending on which silent key operator you work, you may
> want the reverse radiation pattern.
> 
> 
> 
> If you hear a distant, ghostly sound, it may be an E-LDE (Extremely Long
> Delayed Echo) or may possibly be one of the old time silent key operators
> buried in a pileup.  This may be the perfect excuse you need to try to
> resurrect one of your dead rigs.
> 
> 
> 
> Don?t pass away an opportunity to operate from a unique location such as a
> local morgue, or in a field such as in a cemetery. But plan ahead. If your
> batteries die, this will indeed be a grave situation.
> 
> 
> 
> Score:
> 
> One point per silent key contact.
> 
> One half point for each ?ghost contact? (That is where you think you worked
> them but weren?t really sure).
> 
> Bonus: 1000 bonus points for working The Old Man himself.
> 
> You qualify for a special certificate if you yourself are a silent key.
> 
> 
> 
> Doesn?t be a deadbeat; join the fun on Silent Key Night, where the bands
> will be alive.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  1 22:06:02 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:06:02 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] JW/DL7DF on 10.106.9
Message-ID: <56FF290A.3070604@mindspring.com>

579 with QSB.  He's listening on 10.107.8.

GL, Jim W9FI

From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  1 22:35:32 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:35:32 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK SP 14190 SSB lisening up 14240 Q5 copy 02:35z - from
	W7EXG
References: <BLUPR10MB043434A87AEBD0CC903C830E82870@BLUPR10MB0434.namprd10.prod.outlook.com><4ECCDE09-5570-4D00-9D71-947ECB32A361@yahoo.com><1999790751.2184471.1459290199511.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><CACOaMFTH_NwE-_7VJ5kaFHA5U_k8jAjzPG-BqQR4ivvCKPNQYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<56FB3FE2.1020700@triconet.org> 
Message-ID: <D06C0E09720F48AE9100D8CC5300E5B3@OwnerPC>

Good Luck.. 


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Apr  1 23:06:23 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:06:23 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK SP 14190 SSB lisening up 14240 Q5 copy 02:35z -
 from W7EXG
In-Reply-To: <D06C0E09720F48AE9100D8CC5300E5B3@OwnerPC>
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	<1999790751.2184471.1459290199511.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>
	<CACOaMFTH_NwE-_7VJ5kaFHA5U_k8jAjzPG-BqQR4ivvCKPNQYQ @mail.gmail.com>
	<56FB3FE2.1020700@triconet.org>
	<D06C0E09720F48AE9100D8CC5300E5B3@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <56FF372F.6050308@triconet.org>

Worked them at 0301Z

Then on 14029.7  down 3 @ 0303Z!

Great sigs for a change.



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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Fri Apr  1 23:35:42 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:35:42 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DX Spot
Message-ID: <56FF3E0E.4060807@triconet.org>

VK0EK 18084 down 1 @ 0329 despite some SOB continuing to call on his QRG and 
cover up who he was answering.

Wen from one slot to four in 30 minutes.

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  1 23:36:01 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:36:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
Message-ID: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>

Short path.  Good signal.  He's listening on 18.082.1.

GL,  Jim W9FI

From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  1 23:48:05 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:48:05 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK SP 14190 SSB lisening up 14240 Q5 copy 02:35z -
	from W7EXG
In-Reply-To: <56FF372F.6050308@triconet.org>
References: <BLUPR10MB043434A87AEBD0CC903C830E82870@BLUPR10MB0434.namprd10.prod.outlook.com><4ECCDE09-5570-4D00-9D71-947ECB32A361
	@yahoo.com><1999790751.2184471.1459290199511.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com><CACOaMFTH_NwE-_7VJ5kaFHA5U_k8jAjzPG-BqQR4ivvCKPNQYQ
	@mail.gmail.com><56FB3FE2.1020700@triconet.org><D06C0E09720F48AE9100D8CC5300E5B3@OwnerPC>
	<56FF372F.6050308@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <30D8AE4377A4417B828481B37585A9C7@OwnerPC>

Great Wes, 

Worked them on 14243 kHz, 03:42Z Nice signals SP. 

Still strong at 0346z. 

Yes, tonights a good night for HEARD in AZ

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wes
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 8:06 PM
To: sadxa at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [SADXA] VK0EK SP 14190 SSB lisening up 14240 Q5 copy 02:35z -
from W7EXG

Worked them at 0301Z

Then on 14029.7  down 3 @ 0303Z!

Great sigs for a change.



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From wd8krv at arrl.net  Fri Apr  1 23:55:17 2016
From: wd8krv at arrl.net (Dave Burnett)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 20:55:17 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Thanks for VK0EK Propagation Tips
Message-ID: <56FF42A5.7080509@arrl.net>

Thanks to all who provided propagation tips for Heard Island.  I just 
worked them on 30m with 100 watts and a Hustler vertical! Stoked!

73,
Dave
WD8KRV


From W7EXG at q.com  Sat Apr  2 00:04:24 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:04:24 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
In-Reply-To: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>

Thanks Jim and Wes. 

Just worked them on 18084 kHz 0356Z

Still good sigs at 0400z

Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 8:36 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084

Short path.  Good signal.  He's listening on 18.082.1.

GL,  Jim W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr  2 00:05:25 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:05:25 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK on 7.016.0, with LZ QRM
Message-ID: <56FF4505.5080102@mindspring.com>

VK0EK is exactly on 7.016.  I'm hearing them long path, around 11 
degrees, in and out of my noise level.  They're listening at 7.037.0.  I 
can't hear them well enough to call.  But if your antenna is further 
away from the Catalinas, you might be able to hear them well enough to 
get a QSO.

But wait...

Just as I was finishing the first paragraph, LZ1RF came on frequency and 
is calling CQ TEST.  Now he's getting calls and exchanging signal 
reports.  I think that's all for Heard Island on 40 CW tonight.

Jim  W9FI


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr  2 00:18:35 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:18:35 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
In-Reply-To: <A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
	<A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com>

Well done, Bill.  If you've made an inquiry about what bands and modes 
are confirmed for you in their log, you'll become known to their 
server.  Then if you're still logged on when you make a QSO, you'll get 
a popup box that says "Congratulations W7EXG.  You've just made a QSO 
with VK0EK".  That's a neat enhancement that I haven't seen before.

By the way, propagation to Heard Is. has been good enough for a lot of 
club members to break through on several bands.  I've been monitoring 
the various frequencies and heard VK0EK's side of the QSO with several 
calls that are familiar to me from SADXA and CADXA. There should be a 
lot of smiling faces this evening, and I'm among them.  I finally got a 
phone QSO, which was my main operating objective this week.  Now I 
intend to be on 40 and 80 meters early tomorrow morning to try my luck 
there.

Jim  W9FI

On 4/1/2016 9:04 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Thanks Jim and Wes.
>
> Just worked them on 18084 kHz 0356Z
>
> Still good sigs at 0400z
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 8:36 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
>
> Short path.  Good signal.  He's listening on 18.082.1.
>
> GL,  Jim W9FI
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From carlfoster at cactuscomm.net  Sat Apr  2 00:26:57 2016
From: carlfoster at cactuscomm.net (Carl Foster)
Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 21:26:57 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
In-Reply-To: <A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
	<A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <009601d18c97$e54f60f0$afee22d0$@cactuscomm.net>

I got VK0EK on 14.03  at 0336Z. I can barely hear them on 18.084 now (0426Z)
and will see if the signal gets any louder. 

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of W7EXG (Bill)
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:04 PM
To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
Subject: Re: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084

Thanks Jim and Wes. 

Just worked them on 18084 kHz 0356Z

Still good sigs at 0400z

Bill W7EXG


From MikeZW0LTL at aol.com  Sat Apr  2 16:57:08 2016
From: MikeZW0LTL at aol.com (MikeZW0LTL at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 16:57:08 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
Message-ID: <2f37c4.6a055cec.44318c24@aol.com>

Dick,
I could use one for a friend for just email.  She is kind of limited  funds!
Mike Z
 
 
In a message dated 4/1/2016 12:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:

I have  two older Shuttle Computers.
Both work, one has a Pentium 4, the
other  an Athlon 64 Chip.

Would make nice repeater controllers
or logging  computer.

Free for the taking. If no interest, they
go to Goodwill  tomorrow.

73, Dick,  W1KSZ
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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sat Apr  2 17:09:45 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 14:09:45 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
In-Reply-To: <2f37c4.6a055cec.44318c24@aol.com>
References: <2f37c4.6a055cec.44318c24@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO_tbjowv5U40dLXDgHRNpFatNzaiWHMBtJkDqQ3ZzDYbQ@mail.gmail.com>

You can have them both for free.

How soon would you like to get them ?

73, Dick

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:57 PM, W0LTL - Mike Zonnefeld via SADXA <
sadxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Dick,
> I could use one for a friend for just email.  She is kind of limited
> funds!
> Mike Z
>
>
> In a message dated 4/1/2016 12:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>
> I have  two older Shuttle Computers.
> Both work, one has a Pentium 4, the
> other  an Athlon 64 Chip.
>
> Would make nice repeater controllers
> or logging  computer.
>
> Free for the taking. If no interest, they
> go to Goodwill  tomorrow.
>
> 73, Dick,  W1KSZ
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From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Sat Apr  2 18:04:33 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 22:04:33 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] 3XY1T QSLs
Message-ID: <570041F1.5070809@cox.net>

     Arrived today, beautiful card for my 3 mobile QSOs. Also enclosed a 
DVD.  Really nice.

     Grazie!

KF7E

PS: also enclosed cards for all the fixed stn QSOs.

From W7EXG at q.com  Sat Apr  2 21:34:41 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 18:34:41 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
In-Reply-To: <56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com><A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
	<56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC>

Jim,

Yes, I generated a screen Capture with the "Congrats W7EXG" Window, my call
in the Worked Column, my Call in the Search Window, showing all bands and
modes to date. Suitable for Framing, with circles and arrows on the front,
with a paragraph on the back telling what each one was!! 

Had to be fast, before my Congrats went away, and W7EXG went away in upper
right corner. I find DXA page very useful, to quickly confirm QSOs. 

I also plan to pursue 40m and 80m after the weekend. Will fire up my Drake
L7 and see if that does any good!! Hi Hi 

Thanks Jim, 

73s, and good luck. 

Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:19 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084

Well done, Bill.  If you've made an inquiry about what bands and modes 
are confirmed for you in their log, you'll become known to their 
server.  Then if you're still logged on when you make a QSO, you'll get 
a popup box that says "Congratulations W7EXG.  You've just made a QSO 
with VK0EK".  That's a neat enhancement that I haven't seen before.

By the way, propagation to Heard Is. has been good enough for a lot of 
club members to break through on several bands.  I've been monitoring 
the various frequencies and heard VK0EK's side of the QSO with several 
calls that are familiar to me from SADXA and CADXA. There should be a 
lot of smiling faces this evening, and I'm among them.  I finally got a 
phone QSO, which was my main operating objective this week.  Now I 
intend to be on 40 and 80 meters early tomorrow morning to try my luck 
there.

Jim  W9FI

On 4/1/2016 9:04 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Thanks Jim and Wes.
>
> Just worked them on 18084 kHz 0356Z
>
> Still good sigs at 0400z
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 8:36 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
>
> Short path.  Good signal.  He's listening on 18.082.1.
>
> GL,  Jim W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr  2 22:57:44 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2016 19:57:44 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
In-Reply-To: <FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
	<A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
	<56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com>
	<FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <570086A8.5060103@mindspring.com>

That was a good idea, Bill.  I didn't have the presence of mind to take 
screen shots when my QSOs were logged.  I'll see you in the pileups on 
40 and 80.

Jim W9FI

On 4/2/2016 6:34 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Yes, I generated a screen Capture with the "Congrats W7EXG" Window, my call
> in the Worked Column, my Call in the Search Window, showing all bands and
> modes to date. Suitable for Framing, with circles and arrows on the front,
> with a paragraph on the back telling what each one was!!
>
> Had to be fast, before my Congrats went away, and W7EXG went away in upper
> right corner. I find DXA page very useful, to quickly confirm QSOs.
>
> I also plan to pursue 40m and 80m after the weekend. Will fire up my Drake
> L7 and see if that does any good!! Hi Hi
>
> Thanks Jim,
>
> 73s, and good luck.
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 9:19 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
>
> Well done, Bill.  If you've made an inquiry about what bands and modes
> are confirmed for you in their log, you'll become known to their
> server.  Then if you're still logged on when you make a QSO, you'll get
> a popup box that says "Congratulations W7EXG.  You've just made a QSO
> with VK0EK".  That's a neat enhancement that I haven't seen before.
>
> By the way, propagation to Heard Is. has been good enough for a lot of
> club members to break through on several bands.  I've been monitoring
> the various frequencies and heard VK0EK's side of the QSO with several
> calls that are familiar to me from SADXA and CADXA. There should be a
> lot of smiling faces this evening, and I'm among them.  I finally got a
> phone QSO, which was my main operating objective this week.  Now I
> intend to be on 40 and 80 meters early tomorrow morning to try my luck
> there.
>
> Jim  W9FI
>
> On 4/1/2016 9:04 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> Thanks Jim and Wes.
>>
>> Just worked them on 18084 kHz 0356Z
>>
>> Still good sigs at 0400z
>>
>> Bill W7EXG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
>> Sent: Friday, April 01, 2016 8:36 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK ON 18.084
>>
>> Short path.  Good signal.  He's listening on 18.082.1.
>>
>> GL,  Jim W9FI
>> ______________________________________________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>


From MikeZW0LTL at aol.com  Sun Apr  3 15:45:17 2016
From: MikeZW0LTL at aol.com (MikeZW0LTL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:45:17 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
Message-ID: <318c8e.4c861df9.4432cccd@aol.com>

Where do you live?
Maybe tomorrow evening?
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 4/2/2016 2:15:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:

You can  have them both for free.

How soon would you like to get them  ?

73, Dick

On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:57 PM, W0LTL - Mike  Zonnefeld via SADXA <
sadxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

>  Dick,
> I could use one for a friend for just email.  She is kind  of limited
> funds!
> Mike Z
>
>
> In a message  dated 4/1/2016 12:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>  dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>
> I have  two older Shuttle  Computers.
> Both work, one has a Pentium 4, the
> other  an  Athlon 64 Chip.
>
> Would make nice repeater controllers
>  or logging  computer.
>
> Free for the taking. If no  interest, they
> go to Goodwill  tomorrow.
>
> 73,  Dick,  W1KSZ
>  ______________________________________________________________
>  SADXA  Website http://www.sadxa.org
>
> SADXA mailing  list
> Home:  http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/sadxa
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> Post:   mailto:SADXA at mailman.qth.net
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr  3 16:51:27 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 13:51:27 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 10m opening
Message-ID: <5701824F.3040305@triconet.org>

V73NS 28007 @2050Z

From W7EXG at q.com  Sun Apr  3 18:06:13 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 15:06:13 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) / AZ
	Propagation
In-Reply-To: <570086A8.5060103@mindspring.com>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com><A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC><56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com><FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC>
	<570086A8.5060103@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <89C4866231E2483182D2790F0008C29A@OwnerPC>

By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.  

QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))

The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing when
Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer is..
Not Always. 

For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also passes
slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the 7
deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of us
know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional. 

(HEARD considering staying put!)

However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the Greyline
Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.

This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference) 

Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect propagation
path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may currently
not be as good as in the PM. 

This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of which,
may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline predictors
I tried.

https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/

73s, and good luck with HEARD!

Bill W7EXG


From jdwothe at cox.net  Sun Apr  3 19:00:49 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry Wothe)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:00:49 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
 AZ Propagation
In-Reply-To: <dy6Z1s00q45oxQM01y6bbx>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com>
	<A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC>
	<56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com>
	<FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC>
	<570086A8.5060103@mindspring.com> <dy6Z1s00q45oxQM01y6bbx>
Message-ID: <5701A0A1.5000705@cox.net>

You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark 
side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher 
frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you 
are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few 
antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on 
frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing. 
Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where 
is the signal coming from.

W6XI

On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>
> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>
> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing when
> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer is..
> Not Always.
>
> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also passes
> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the 7
> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of us
> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>
> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>
> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the Greyline
> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>
> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>
> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect propagation
> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may currently
> not be as good as in the PM.
>
> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of which,
> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline predictors
> I tried.
>
> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>
> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 19:13:50 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 16:13:50 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
In-Reply-To: <318c8e.4c861df9.4432cccd@aol.com>
References: <318c8e.4c861df9.4432cccd@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO-s3zKnTwL5hE9RO6cCw3_V6BC0R8gsvtWcd3SyUrMdxA@mail.gmail.com>

I live way out here in Vail. No need to come
all this way. We can meet in town.

Mike Casey and I have lunch on Tuesdays,
usually at Jason's Deli (across from where
the club used to meet). If you want, we can
meet there. If not I can meet you most
any day.

73, Dick

On Sun, Apr 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, W0LTL - Mike Zonnefeld via SADXA <
sadxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Where do you live?
> Maybe tomorrow evening?
> Mike
>
>
> In a message dated 4/2/2016 2:15:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>
> You can  have them both for free.
>
> How soon would you like to get them  ?
>
> 73, Dick
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:57 PM, W0LTL - Mike  Zonnefeld via SADXA <
> sadxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>
> >  Dick,
> > I could use one for a friend for just email.  She is kind  of limited
> > funds!
> > Mike Z
> >
> >
> > In a message  dated 4/1/2016 12:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> >  dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > I have  two older Shuttle  Computers.
> > Both work, one has a Pentium 4, the
> > other  an  Athlon 64 Chip.
> >
> > Would make nice repeater controllers
> >  or logging  computer.
> >
> > Free for the taking. If no  interest, they
> > go to Goodwill  tomorrow.
> >
> > 73,  Dick,  W1KSZ
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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sun Apr  3 22:29:52 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 19:29:52 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>

Loud on 7100, up 7150-60.
Even copying through the yahoos.

Very Loud, Q5 copy on 30 RTTY.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr  3 23:01:20 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 20:01:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK on 7.015.9
Message-ID: <5701D900.5090404@mindspring.com>

I'm in a situation to that of a few nights ago.  VK0EK is copyable only 
LP, at about a 10 - 15 degree heading.  I'm too close to the Catalinas 
to hear him well enough to call him.  I'm only getting about a 25% copy 
on his signal and am missing most of the calls he's sending.

But if you're further away from the mountains than I am, you might be 
able to copy him well enough to put in a call or two.  There's a small 
pileup about 1 to 5 KHz below his frequency.  The DQRM s not too bad at 
the moment.

GL and 73,  Jim

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr  3 23:04:22 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 3 Apr 2016 20:04:22 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com>

It's definitely doable tonight.  I was calling on 7.161 when I got him 
about an hour ago.

Jim  W9FI

On 4/3/2016 7:29 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> Loud on 7100, up 7150-60.
> Even copying through the yahoos.
>
> Very Loud, Q5 copy on 30 RTTY.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From MikeZW0LTL at aol.com  Mon Apr  4 11:03:24 2016
From: MikeZW0LTL at aol.com (MikeZW0LTL at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 11:03:24 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] FREE COMPUTERS
Message-ID: <4c1664.5642eca0.4433dc3c@aol.com>

That sounds good, or how about the next SADXA meeting?
Mike
 
 
In a message dated 4/3/2016 4:14:01 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:

I live  way out here in Vail. No need to come
all this way. We can meet in  town.

Mike Casey and I have lunch on Tuesdays,
usually at Jason's  Deli (across from where
the club used to meet). If you want, we can
meet  there. If not I can meet you most
any day.

73, Dick

On Sun,  Apr 3, 2016 at 12:45 PM, W0LTL - Mike Zonnefeld via SADXA  <
sadxa at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> Where do you  live?
> Maybe tomorrow evening?
> Mike
>
>
> In  a message dated 4/2/2016 2:15:35 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>  dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
>
> You can  have them both for  free.
>
> How soon would you like to get them   ?
>
> 73, Dick
>
> On Sat, Apr 2, 2016 at 1:57 PM,  W0LTL - Mike  Zonnefeld via SADXA <
> sadxa at mailman.qth.net>  wrote:
>
> >  Dick,
> > I could use one for a  friend for just email.  She is kind  of limited
> >  funds!
> > Mike Z
> >
> >
> > In a  message  dated 4/1/2016 12:04:31 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>  >  dickw1ksz at gmail.com writes:
> >
> > I have   two older Shuttle  Computers.
> > Both work, one has a Pentium  4, the
> > other  an  Athlon 64 Chip.
> >
>  > Would make nice repeater controllers
> >  or logging   computer.
> >
> > Free for the taking. If no  interest,  they
> > go to Goodwill  tomorrow.
> >
> >  73,  Dick,  W1KSZ
> >   ______________________________________________________________
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr  4 17:13:53 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 14:13:53 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] I'm off of 30m and 80m for a while
Message-ID: <5702D911.10206@mindspring.com>

So I'm clearing brush near the house to make a work area for the 
assembly of my new homebrew 12m/17m yagi and it's a great day. Clear 
sky, temp in the mid-70's and the birds are chirping.  I clear out the 
last of the prickly pear clumps, lay out the antenna elements on the 
ground, and lower my 30m and 80m dipoles so that I can tilt over the 
tower.  The cables have been safely laid underground, the rotor system 
has been tested and is ready, and the lightning protection system is in 
place.  The tower is cranked down and ready to be tilted over.  But I'm 
short a wrench, so I go back to the garage to get it.  Then I notice 
them.  The bees.

There are only a couple hundred visible but they're making a 
considerable noise.  Instead of returning outside, I close the garage 
door and go out into the front garden.  It's quieter but something still 
isn't right.  Then I notice more of them.  A swarm. Tens of thousands of 
bees have taken over a branch of the mesquite tree that's across from 
the house.  That's it for me.  I go inside and summon the bee guys.  
They come out, inspect the area, and tell me that the bees should be 
quiet now that the temperature has gone up and they're tired.  The bee 
removal guy is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, but the bee inspectors tell 
me that he'll call first before leaving the office.  The bees are 
looking for a place to build a new hive and they might leave the 
mesquite tree for parts unknown tomorrow morning.

Meanwhile, I've carefully recovered my tools and the antenna parts from 
where I left them.  I'm not going to tempt fate by raising the dipoles, 
since one of their wires is resting inside of the mesquite tree next to 
the swarm.  If the antennas are pulled up, the mesquite branches will 
start shaking.  So might the bees.  I don't know how many there are, but 
they're in a clump over four feet long, shaped like the lower half of a 
football that's been laid on the ground. It's about 18 inches thick at 
the fattest part of the swarm.  This is a pretty impressive gathering of 
insects.

So VK0EK and FT4JA will have to wait for a couple of days until the bee 
situation is resolved.  I can still use my Yagi, so I still have the 
usual HF bands and 40m at my disposal.  But there will be no QSOs on 30 
and 80 from this QTH until after the bee situation is resolved.

73,  Jim  W9FI

From tkramer at azci.net  Mon Apr  4 19:27:20 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:27:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] I'm off of 30m and 80m for a while
In-Reply-To: <5702D911.10206@mindspring.com>
References: <5702D911.10206@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <ADF396E33FD640FCB3F6D9D77E552A97@NQ7RPC>

Well Jim, despite losing the air time I think you will agree that you came 
out of that very lucky.   I have been lucky to get FT4JA on 30 and 80 and 
VK0 on 30 so I am pretty happy with those results.  Good Luck to you. 
K8BN's advice on FT4JA on 80 worked out for me.  I copied them from just 
after 0300Z for about 45 minutes.  73 Tom NQ7R


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim W
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:13 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: [SADXA] I'm off of 30m and 80m for a while

So I'm clearing brush near the house to make a work area for the
assembly of my new homebrew 12m/17m yagi and it's a great day. Clear
sky, temp in the mid-70's and the birds are chirping.  I clear out the
last of the prickly pear clumps, lay out the antenna elements on the
ground, and lower my 30m and 80m dipoles so that I can tilt over the
tower.  The cables have been safely laid underground, the rotor system
has been tested and is ready, and the lightning protection system is in
place.  The tower is cranked down and ready to be tilted over.  But I'm
short a wrench, so I go back to the garage to get it.  Then I notice
them.  The bees.

There are only a couple hundred visible but they're making a
considerable noise.  Instead of returning outside, I close the garage
door and go out into the front garden.  It's quieter but something still
isn't right.  Then I notice more of them.  A swarm. Tens of thousands of
bees have taken over a branch of the mesquite tree that's across from
the house.  That's it for me.  I go inside and summon the bee guys.
They come out, inspect the area, and tell me that the bees should be
quiet now that the temperature has gone up and they're tired.  The bee
removal guy is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, but the bee inspectors tell
me that he'll call first before leaving the office.  The bees are
looking for a place to build a new hive and they might leave the
mesquite tree for parts unknown tomorrow morning.

Meanwhile, I've carefully recovered my tools and the antenna parts from
where I left them.  I'm not going to tempt fate by raising the dipoles,
since one of their wires is resting inside of the mesquite tree next to
the swarm.  If the antennas are pulled up, the mesquite branches will
start shaking.  So might the bees.  I don't know how many there are, but
they're in a clump over four feet long, shaped like the lower half of a
football that's been laid on the ground. It's about 18 inches thick at
the fattest part of the swarm.  This is a pretty impressive gathering of
insects.

So VK0EK and FT4JA will have to wait for a couple of days until the bee
situation is resolved.  I can still use my Yagi, so I still have the
usual HF bands and 40m at my disposal.  But there will be no QSOs on 30
and 80 from this QTH until after the bee situation is resolved.

73,  Jim  W9FI
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From W7EXG at q.com  Mon Apr  4 19:46:25 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:46:25 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
	AZ Propagation
In-Reply-To: <5701A0A1.5000705@cox.net>
References: <56FF3E21.9090404@mindspring.com><A4679CEDAA0549E1A6B04B6727BA459C@OwnerPC><56FF481B.6040202@mindspring.com><FE5AC05317D44452A8D59F0970BD5C66@OwnerPC><570086A8.5060103@mindspring.com>
	<dy6Z1s00q45oxQM01y6bbx> <5701A0A1.5000705@cox.net>
Message-ID: <034766A87DF240CDB867019737605C98@OwnerPC>

The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain. 

I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB. The
same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
difference. 

Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near the
noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful. 

Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets. 

For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is progressing
from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to dark,
or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD. 

There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF with
F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer low
band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting across
the Greyline.  

For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon dark
to light, or light to dark transition respectively. 

For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low MUF.
This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
possible. 

Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the propagation
works.. 

I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time. Don't
hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience. 

Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation. 

73s, Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Wothe
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
AZ Propagation

You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark 
side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher 
frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you 
are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few 
antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on 
frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing. 
Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where 
is the signal coming from.

W6XI

On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>
> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>
> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
when
> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer is..
> Not Always.
>
> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also passes
> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the 7
> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
us
> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>
> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>
> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the Greyline
> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>
> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>
> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
propagation
> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may currently
> not be as good as in the PM.
>
> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
which,
> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
predictors
> I tried.
>
> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>
> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr  4 19:48:05 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:48:05 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] I'm off of 30m and 80m for a while
In-Reply-To: <ADF396E33FD640FCB3F6D9D77E552A97@NQ7RPC>
References: <5702D911.10206@mindspring.com>
	<ADF396E33FD640FCB3F6D9D77E552A97@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <5702FD35.40502@mindspring.com>

Tom, I've been lucky in two areas.  First the bees could have swarmed to 
me, which would have really ruined my day.  Second I have gotten FT4JA 
on 17, 20, and 40, and VK0EK on 17, 20, and 30.  My goal has been to put 
both stations in the log on 30, 40 and 80, and to get SSB and CW QSOs 
out of each.  I should get a chance to do that after the swarm goes away 
or is removed.  There are still a few more days to go on each 
DXpedition.  Meanwhile my family and I are safe and sound in the house.

73, Jim  W9FI

On 4/4/2016 4:27 PM, Tom Kramer wrote:
> Well Jim, despite losing the air time I think you will agree that you 
> came out of that very lucky.   I have been lucky to get FT4JA on 30 
> and 80 and VK0 on 30 so I am pretty happy with those results.  Good 
> Luck to you. K8BN's advice on FT4JA on 80 worked out for me.  I copied 
> them from just after 0300Z for about 45 minutes.  73 Tom NQ7R
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Jim W
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:13 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: [SADXA] I'm off of 30m and 80m for a while
>
> So I'm clearing brush near the house to make a work area for the
> assembly of my new homebrew 12m/17m yagi and it's a great day. Clear
> sky, temp in the mid-70's and the birds are chirping.  I clear out the
> last of the prickly pear clumps, lay out the antenna elements on the
> ground, and lower my 30m and 80m dipoles so that I can tilt over the
> tower.  The cables have been safely laid underground, the rotor system
> has been tested and is ready, and the lightning protection system is in
> place.  The tower is cranked down and ready to be tilted over. But I'm
> short a wrench, so I go back to the garage to get it.  Then I notice
> them.  The bees.
>
> There are only a couple hundred visible but they're making a
> considerable noise.  Instead of returning outside, I close the garage
> door and go out into the front garden.  It's quieter but something still
> isn't right.  Then I notice more of them.  A swarm. Tens of thousands of
> bees have taken over a branch of the mesquite tree that's across from
> the house.  That's it for me.  I go inside and summon the bee guys.
> They come out, inspect the area, and tell me that the bees should be
> quiet now that the temperature has gone up and they're tired.  The bee
> removal guy is scheduled to arrive tomorrow, but the bee inspectors tell
> me that he'll call first before leaving the office.  The bees are
> looking for a place to build a new hive and they might leave the
> mesquite tree for parts unknown tomorrow morning.
>
> Meanwhile, I've carefully recovered my tools and the antenna parts from
> where I left them.  I'm not going to tempt fate by raising the dipoles,
> since one of their wires is resting inside of the mesquite tree next to
> the swarm.  If the antennas are pulled up, the mesquite branches will
> start shaking.  So might the bees.  I don't know how many there are, but
> they're in a clump over four feet long, shaped like the lower half of a
> football that's been laid on the ground. It's about 18 inches thick at
> the fattest part of the swarm.  This is a pretty impressive gathering of
> insects.
>
> So VK0EK and FT4JA will have to wait for a couple of days until the bee
> situation is resolved.  I can still use my Yagi, so I still have the
> usual HF bands and 40m at my disposal.  But there will be no QSOs on 30
> and 80 from this QTH until after the bee situation is resolved.
>
> 73,  Jim  W9FI
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From k7bhm at cox.net  Mon Apr  4 20:06:01 2016
From: k7bhm at cox.net (k7bhm at cox.net)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:06:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
 AZ Propagation
In-Reply-To: <ePms1s00X45oxQM01Pmujz>
Message-ID: <20160404200601.VNAT9.36830.imail@eastrmwml106>

Bill and all..

An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation 
between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
a few minutes apart...

63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
locating different objects in the field.

Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our radios!!!!

Bob - K7BHM


---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote: 
> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain. 
> 
> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB. The
> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
> difference. 
> 
> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near the
> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful. 
> 
> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets. 
> 
> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is progressing
> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to dark,
> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD. 
> 
> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF with
> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer low
> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting across
> the Greyline.  
> 
> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon dark
> to light, or light to dark transition respectively. 
> 
> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low MUF.
> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
> possible. 
> 
> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the propagation
> works.. 
> 
> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time. Don't
> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience. 
> 
> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation. 
> 
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Wothe
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
> AZ Propagation
> 
> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark 
> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher 
> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you 
> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few 
> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on 
> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing. 
> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where 
> is the signal coming from.
> 
> W6XI
> 
> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> > By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
> > propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
> >
> > QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
> >
> > The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
> when
> > Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer is..
> > Not Always.
> >
> > For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also passes
> > slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the 7
> > deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
> > propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
> us
> > know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
> >
> > (HEARD considering staying put!)
> >
> > However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
> > passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the Greyline
> > Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
> >
> > This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
> > degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
> >
> > Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
> propagation
> > path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may currently
> > not be as good as in the PM.
> >
> > This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
> which,
> > may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
> > verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
> predictors
> > I tried.
> >
> > https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
> >
> > 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
> >
> > Bill W7EXG
> >
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Mon Apr  4 20:36:22 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry Wothe)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 17:36:22 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
 AZ Propagation
In-Reply-To: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf>
References: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf>
Message-ID: <57030886.1070503@cox.net>

This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to 
the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak 
in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160 
grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when 
I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done 
much there to make the observation.

W6XI

On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
> Bill and all..
>
> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
> a few minutes apart...
>
> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
> locating different objects in the field.
>
> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our radios!!!!
>
> Bob - K7BHM
>
>
> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>
>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB. The
>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>> difference.
>>
>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near the
>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>
>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets.
>>
>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is progressing
>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to dark,
>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>
>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF with
>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer low
>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting across
>> the Greyline.
>>
>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon dark
>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>
>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low MUF.
>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>> possible.
>>
>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the propagation
>> works..
>>
>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time. Don't
>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>
>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation.
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Wothe
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
>> AZ Propagation
>>
>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you
>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>> is the signal coming from.
>>
>> W6XI
>>
>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>
>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>
>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>> when
>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer is..
>>> Not Always.
>>>
>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also passes
>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the 7
>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
>> us
>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>
>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>
>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the Greyline
>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>
>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>
>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>> propagation
>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may currently
>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>
>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>> which,
>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>> predictors
>>> I tried.
>>>
>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>
>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>
>>> Bill W7EXG
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
>>>
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/sadxa
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From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Mon Apr  4 21:56:52 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 01:56:52 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK loud 40m at 01:55
Message-ID: <57031B64.20002@cox.net>

     Even on my noisy vertical. 569 between the Zombies..

KF7E

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr  4 22:53:37 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 19:53:37 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK on 7.015.9
Message-ID: <570328B1.7070302@mindspring.com>

Weak but workable.  QSX 7.014.0

73,  Jim  W9FI

From N6RC at N6RC.com  Tue Apr  5 00:28:31 2016
From: N6RC at N6RC.com (Richard Crouch)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 21:28:31 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
In-Reply-To: <5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com>

Hey, Jim, do you have a yagi on 40m?

Best 73's,

Dick
N6RC




-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:04 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs

It's definitely doable tonight.  I was calling on 7.161 when I got him about
an hour ago.

Jim  W9FI

On 4/3/2016 7:29 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> Loud on 7100, up 7150-60.
> Even copying through the yahoos.
>
> Very Loud, Q5 copy on 30 RTTY.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Tue Apr  5 01:07:05 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 05:07:05 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
In-Reply-To: <01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com>
	<01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com>
Message-ID: <570347F9.8080506@cox.net>

Hi:

     Nope. I have 38' vertical with Inverted-L style wires for the ham 
bands. 1/4 or 3/4 on each band. It also sits on my flat metal barn roof 
with an elevated feed.

     It does well on TX but noise-limited on RX. Lots of bad power lines 
and horse fences here!

     If I can hear em (that's the real challenge), I can usually work 'em.

     I usually run 700-900w with my Alpha 87, but rarely over 1KW due to 
limitations in the matching on some bands.

Jim


On 4/5/2016 4:28 AM, Richard Crouch wrote:
> Hey, Jim, do you have a yagi on 40m?
>
> Best 73's,
>
> Dick
> N6RC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:04 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
>
> It's definitely doable tonight.  I was calling on 7.161 when I got him about
> an hour ago.
>
> Jim  W9FI
>
> On 4/3/2016 7:29 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>> Loud on 7100, up 7150-60.
>> Even copying through the yahoos.
>>
>> Very Loud, Q5 copy on 30 RTTY.
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr  5 01:31:14 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 22:31:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
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I do, Dick.  It's a Force12 C4SXL, which is a C3S tribander and a two 
element, linear loaded 40m yagi on the same boom.  It's quite a 
sensitive receiving antenna which also breaks through its share of 
pileups on the transmitting side.  It was a pain in the rear to tune 
properly but that effort has paid off well.

73,  Jim  W9FI

On 4/4/2016 9:28 PM, Richard Crouch wrote:
> Hey, Jim, do you have a yagi on 40m?
>
> Best 73's,
>
> Dick
> N6RC
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 8:04 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] FT4JA Good Sigs
>
> It's definitely doable tonight.  I was calling on 7.161 when I got him about
> an hour ago.
>
> Jim  W9FI
>
> On 4/3/2016 7:29 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>> Loud on 7100, up 7150-60.
>> Even copying through the yahoos.
>>
>> Very Loud, Q5 copy on 30 RTTY.
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
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From W7EXG at q.com  Tue Apr  5 14:59:41 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 11:59:41 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
	AZ Propagation
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Thanks Bob, 

63 years ago, Scouts started MY Interest in Ham Radio, since we were
required to learn the Morse code to be a 1st Class Scout. Scout Master was a
HAM, and sucked many of us into the hobby, by working a CW station -- right
next to Mars. This led me to an interest and degrees in Electrical
Engineering, and a 30 year Design Engineering / Design Management Career at
Motorola. Funny how life works!!  

At 13, my dipole hung between two trees in back yard of my parent's house.
That was a close enough bearing, to work the next state with 17W on 40m CW!!
Hi Hi. 

Best 73s, 

Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: k7bhm at cox.net [mailto:k7bhm at cox.net] 
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:06 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Cc: W7EXG (Bill)
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
AZ Propagation

Bill and all..

An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation 
between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
a few minutes apart...

63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
locating different objects in the field.

Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our radios!!!!

Bob - K7BHM


---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote: 
> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain. 
> 
> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
The
> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
> difference. 
> 
> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near the
> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful. 
> 
> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets. 
> 
> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is progressing
> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to dark,
> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD. 
> 
> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF with
> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer low
> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
across
> the Greyline.  
> 
> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
dark
> to light, or light to dark transition respectively. 
> 
> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low MUF.
> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
> possible. 
> 
> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
propagation
> works.. 
> 
> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
Don't
> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience. 
> 
> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation. 
> 
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Wothe
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
/
> AZ Propagation
> 
> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark 
> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher 
> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you 
> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few 
> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on 
> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing. 
> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where 
> is the signal coming from.
> 
> W6XI
> 
> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> > By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
> > propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
> >
> > QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
> >
> > The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
> when
> > Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
is..
> > Not Always.
> >
> > For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
passes
> > slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the
7
> > deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
> > propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
> us
> > know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
> >
> > (HEARD considering staying put!)
> >
> > However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
> > passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
Greyline
> > Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
> >
> > This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
> > degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
> >
> > Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
> propagation
> > path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
currently
> > not be as good as in the PM.
> >
> > This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
> which,
> > may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
> > verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
> predictors
> > I tried.
> >
> > https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
> >
> > 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
> >
> > Bill W7EXG
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________
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> >
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From W7EXG at q.com  Tue Apr  5 16:54:38 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 13:54:38 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
	AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers
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Jerry,

You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.  

While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se, I
suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
type propagation. 

I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs time,
for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and maybe
17m, in the next few nights.  

OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP. Perhaps
bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different than
the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle. 

For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data. 

UTC APRIL 6
	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local 

Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map at
01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!  

THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal. 

For UTC 
4/7   dT = 5 Min
4/8   dT = 4 min
4/9   dT = 3 min
4/10  dT = 2 min

For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other nights...as a
function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour or
more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
bands as well. 

I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
great. 

What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
greyline UTC times are almost identical. 

We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting. 

Glad you asked Jerry!!

73s, Bill W7EXG


-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Wothe
Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
AZ Propagation

This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to 
the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak 
in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160 
grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when 
I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done 
much there to make the observation.

W6XI

On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
> Bill and all..
>
> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
> a few minutes apart...
>
> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
> locating different objects in the field.
>
> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our radios!!!!
>
> Bob - K7BHM
>
>
> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>
>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
The
>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>> difference.
>>
>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
the
>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>
>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets.
>>
>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
progressing
>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
dark,
>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>
>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
with
>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
low
>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
across
>> the Greyline.
>>
>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
dark
>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>
>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
MUF.
>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>> possible.
>>
>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
propagation
>> works..
>>
>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
Don't
>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>
>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation.
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Wothe
>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
/
>> AZ Propagation
>>
>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you
>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>> is the signal coming from.
>>
>> W6XI
>>
>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>
>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>
>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>> when
>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
is..
>>> Not Always.
>>>
>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
passes
>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the
7
>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
>> us
>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>
>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>
>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
Greyline
>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>
>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>
>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>> propagation
>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
currently
>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>
>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>> which,
>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>> predictors
>>> I tried.
>>>
>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>
>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>
>>> Bill W7EXG
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
>>>
>>> SADXA mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/sadxa
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:SADXA at mailman.qth.net
>>>
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>>> You can support qsl.net: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Tue Apr  5 18:35:00 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 15:35:00 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
 AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers
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References: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf> <57030886.1070503@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <57043D94.5030001@cox.net>

Bill:

As of late with the VK0 hearing them on either 80 or 160 is the 
challenge let alone get a feel for the variation of strength of the 
signal. I of course have very little good directionality with my 
antennas although they do have some. I intend to listen tonight to see 
if I can hear them on either of those bands and if so will make a note 
of what time that happens. Mornings are better here because of a lot 
less noise than evenings. I have been listening in the mornings 
generally starting about 5:00 local time. So far not only have I not 
heard them, but no one else has either although they have been on as 
reported by some Russian stations that monitor them.

So lets see what we can hear.

I know  there are not many in the club that deal with the low bands like 
I do but even with 40 and up the Grayline can be significant to us to 
work that hard to work station. One just has to know its there and how 
to use it so it would make a great discussion at club meetings.

Thanks for picking up on the subject.

Jerry

On 4/5/2016 1:54 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.
>
> While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se, I
> suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
> type propagation.
>
> I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs time,
> for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and maybe
> 17m, in the next few nights.
>
> OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
> sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP. Perhaps
> bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different than
> the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle.
>
> For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data.
>
> UTC APRIL 6
> 	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
> 	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local
>
> Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map at
> 01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!
>
> THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
> target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
> like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal.
>
> For UTC
> 4/7   dT = 5 Min
> 4/8   dT = 4 min
> 4/9   dT = 3 min
> 4/10  dT = 2 min
>
> For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other nights...as a
> function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour or
> more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
> intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
> bands as well.
>
> I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
> document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
> great.
>
> What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
> signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
> greyline UTC times are almost identical.
>
> We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting.
>
> Glad you asked Jerry!!
>
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Wothe
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
> AZ Propagation
>
> This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to
> the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak
> in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160
> grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when
> I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done
> much there to make the observation.
>
> W6XI
>
> On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
>> Bill and all..
>>
>> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
>> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
>> a few minutes apart...
>>
>> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
>> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
>> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
>> locating different objects in the field.
>>
>> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our radios!!!!
>>
>> Bob - K7BHM
>>
>>
>> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg would
>>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>>
>>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
> The
>>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
> the
>>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>>
>>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets.
>>>
>>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
>>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
> progressing
>>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
> dark,
>>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>>
>>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
> with
>>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
> low
>>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
> across
>>> the Greyline.
>>>
>>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
> dark
>>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>>
>>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is transitioning
>>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
> MUF.
>>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
> propagation
>>> works..
>>>
>>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
>>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
> Don't
>>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>>
>>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation.
>>>
>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Wothe
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
> /
>>> AZ Propagation
>>>
>>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you
>>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>>> is the signal coming from.
>>>
>>> W6XI
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>>
>>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>>
>>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>>> when
>>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
> is..
>>>> Not Always.
>>>>
>>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
> passes
>>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along the
> 7
>>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most of
>>> us
>>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>>
>>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>>
>>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
>>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
> Greyline
>>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>>
>>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of 173
>>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>>
>>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>>> propagation
>>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
> currently
>>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>>
>>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>>> which,
>>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and will
>>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>>> predictors
>>>> I tried.
>>>>
>>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>>
>>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>>
>>>> Bill W7EXG
>>>>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Tue Apr  5 21:43:53 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:43:53 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA 3537 up
Message-ID: <570469D9.2060604@cox.net>

Just worked them. But some QSB takes them into the mud

W6XI

From W7EXG at q.com  Tue Apr  5 21:57:04 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 18:57:04 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK   7013.5 Stongest LP 1st heard @0142Z no 30m and up
In-Reply-To: <57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com><5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com><01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com>
	<57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>

Workable.. but weak.. 
Don't hear anything on other bands
DXA shows 160,80 40 only. 


From W7EXG at q.com  Tue Apr  5 22:35:59 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 19:35:59 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK   10116  Calling CQ no one answering LP Best
In-Reply-To: <00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com><5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com><01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com><57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
	<00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <DD25D054AC6348E7BAB1A0B70CAB6887@OwnerPC>


1st Heard.. Weak, and no one answering 



From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Tue Apr  5 23:17:30 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 03:17:30 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] FT4 3537 digi QRM
Message-ID: <57047FCA.1070605@cox.net>

     Once again, I can hear them, but copy is ruined by that odd digi 
handshaking.

     If I listen to 3537.5 in LSB, the amplitude and width becomes apparent.

     It is %80 steady, but the handshaking does pause. I assume this is 
not a legit Amateur signal, but who can tell anymore?

KF7E

From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 00:19:40 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:19:40 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4 3537 digi QRM
In-Reply-To: <57047FCA.1070605@cox.net>
References: <57047FCA.1070605@cox.net>
Message-ID: <C5E794E13D3747B2A70D39713986C234@OwnerPC>

Jim,

I think it is malicious, as I heard it tonight, showing up on the VK0EK
frequencies on other higher bands. 

Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim KF7E
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 8:18 PM
To: cadxa_share1 at yahoogroups.com; Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail
Reflector
Subject: [SADXA] FT4 3537 digi QRM

     Once again, I can hear them, but copy is ruined by that odd digi 
handshaking.

     If I listen to 3537.5 in LSB, the amplitude and width becomes apparent.

     It is %80 steady, but the handshaking does pause. I assume this is 
not a legit Amateur signal, but who can tell anymore?

KF7E
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Apr  6 00:46:14 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 21:46:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA 3537 up
In-Reply-To: <570469D9.2060604@cox.net>
References: <570469D9.2060604@cox.net>
Message-ID: <57049496.20607@triconet.org>

I worked them last night on 40 SSB @0055Z and on 80 CW 15 minutes later.

Really surprising considering my low inverted-vee.  Must be attributable to 
superior operator skill.

Wes


On 4/5/2016 6:43 PM, Jerry wrote:
> Just worked them. But some QSB takes them into the mud
>
> W6XI


From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 02:25:13 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2016 23:25:13 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK - HEARD - 1st
	PASS PM GREYLINE DATA for 4/5 AZ.
In-Reply-To: <57043D94.5030001@cox.net>
References: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf>
	<57030886.1070503@cox.net><ekv51s00L45oxQM01kv6AR>
	<57043D94.5030001@cox.net>
Message-ID: <37738C16DA3841AC9C1ACDB00C98E1BC@OwnerPC>

Jerry, 

Propagation tonight was NOT like the night of April 1st, (4/2 UTC)

Hope you HEARD something on 80/160 m. 

As of 9:30pm LOCAL tonight (9:30am LOCAL Heard time), here is what I
observed, for far-side SUNRISE Greyline propagation. 

I HEARD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM HEARD.. UNTIL ABOUT 6:44PM.. 1ST ON 40M. 
LONG PATH. THIS WAS AT LOCAL SUNSET. 

40M (Local Time)
4:30-6:44 -- NOTHING
7pm - weak but audible/workable (High noise level) Long Path
7:30pm to 8:30pm - Strongest Signal occurred during this timeframe. 
9pm - VERY WEAK
9:30pm NO SIGNAL

30M (Local Time)
7:20pm -- Nothing heard until this time -  LP
		Called CQ often.
8pm -- Weak, but workable. Stronger than 40m signals at this time.
9pm - Audible, but not workable
9:30pm.. no signal

20m and UP
HEARD was ON, but HEARD nothing. 

SUMMRY
- NO GREYLINE SIGNALS WERE HEARD on the SUNSET SUNNY Side UNTIL SUNSET.
- Lower Band Signals appeared before the higher band signals. NOTE: THIS
MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TRANSMITTING ON 30m. More Data Needed. 
-- Both 40m and 30m signals peaked about 8pm, local time, or about 1.25
hours AFTER near-SUNSET/far-SUNRISE
- Signals could still be heard 2.25 Hours after SUNSET/SUNRISE, but faded to
ZERO soon after. 
- 30m signal peak was stronger than the 40m signal, but both were near the
noise level this evening. 

CONCLUSIONS
-- For Far-Side SUNRISE Greyline Propagation (SUNSET LOCAL):
	1. Greyline signals cannot be heard until near-SUNSET. 
	2. Signals FROM the far-SUNRISE Side could be heard 2.25 hours AFTER
Far-side Sunrise! I find this significant.  
	5. This means 40m AND 30m Signals were propagating over daylight
ionized layer regions, until they entered into the Greyline.  
	6. Since Earth travels approximately 1000 mph at the Equator, it is
likely the daylight propagation region, after 2.25 hours was about 1000 or
more miles at HEARD. (Distance lower due to latitude - can calculate later).

	7. This suggests the D layer was building slowly, since perhaps the
F/F2 layers were still active on 30m AND 40m over the daylight distance. 
	8. Lower Band propagation falters before higher band propagation,
possibly due to the building of the D layer on SUNRISE daylight side. 

IT IS INTERESTING THERE IS DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION OVER SIGNFICANT DISTANCES,
INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNRISE SIDE, BUT NO DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION
INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNSET SIDE. 

This also suggests it might be possible to work HEARD well past Tucson's
SUNRISE.. on 30m and 40m. HEARD sunset is 5:40pm local, or 5:40am out time.
Thus it is UNLIKELY we would EVER hear HEARD TOMORROW AM, until 
after 5:40am, based on what we learned tonight. Greyline MUST be past their
SUNSET. 

Right now, HEARD is 1/2 hour into dark at our sunrise. So we are good to go,
after sunrise. Might take some data tomorrow am, for verification. 

MORE DATA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, BEFORE MORE CONVINCING CONCLUSIONS CAN BE
DRAWN. 

There was a significant difference in the propagation this evening 4/5 vs
that of 4/1. Only the SPOTS appear significantly different in the solar
indices. It could be related to the recent aurora in Antarctica. 	 

  Date   SFI   Spots  K
  4/5    83    39     2
  4/1    82    11     3 

I WILL BE TAKING MORE OF THIS TYPE of DATA.. AM/PM --  4 DAYS LEFT!! 

73s, Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:35 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers

Bill:

As of late with the VK0 hearing them on either 80 or 160 is the 
challenge let alone get a feel for the variation of strength of the 
signal. I of course have very little good directionality with my 
antennas although they do have some. I intend to listen tonight to see 
if I can hear them on either of those bands and if so will make a note 
of what time that happens. Mornings are better here because of a lot 
less noise than evenings. I have been listening in the mornings 
generally starting about 5:00 local time. So far not only have I not 
heard them, but no one else has either although they have been on as 
reported by some Russian stations that monitor them.

So lets see what we can hear.

I know  there are not many in the club that deal with the low bands like 
I do but even with 40 and up the Grayline can be significant to us to 
work that hard to work station. One just has to know its there and how 
to use it so it would make a great discussion at club meetings.

Thanks for picking up on the subject.

Jerry

On 4/5/2016 1:54 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.
>
> While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se, I
> suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
> type propagation.
>
> I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs
time,
> for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and
maybe
> 17m, in the next few nights.
>
> OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
> sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP.
Perhaps
> bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different
than
> the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle.
>
> For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data.
>
> UTC APRIL 6
> 	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
> 	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local
>
> Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map at
> 01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!
>
> THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
> target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
> like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal.
>
> For UTC
> 4/7   dT = 5 Min
> 4/8   dT = 4 min
> 4/9   dT = 3 min
> 4/10  dT = 2 min
>
> For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other nights...as
a
> function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour
or
> more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
> intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
> bands as well.
>
> I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
> document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
> great.
>
> What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
> signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
> greyline UTC times are almost identical.
>
> We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting.
>
> Glad you asked Jerry!!
>
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Wothe
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
/
> AZ Propagation
>
> This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to
> the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak
> in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160
> grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when
> I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done
> much there to make the observation.
>
> W6XI
>
> On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
>> Bill and all..
>>
>> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
>> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
>> a few minutes apart...
>>
>> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
>> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
>> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
>> locating different objects in the field.
>>
>> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our
radios!!!!
>>
>> Bob - K7BHM
>>
>>
>> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg
would
>>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>>
>>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
> The
>>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>>> difference.
>>>
>>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
> the
>>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>>
>>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets.
>>>
>>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
>>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
> progressing
>>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
> dark,
>>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>>
>>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
> with
>>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
> low
>>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
> across
>>> the Greyline.
>>>
>>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
> dark
>>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>>
>>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is
transitioning
>>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
> MUF.
>>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>>> possible.
>>>
>>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
> propagation
>>> works..
>>>
>>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
>>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
> Don't
>>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>>
>>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation.
>>>
>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Wothe
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK
(Heard)
> /
>>> AZ Propagation
>>>
>>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you
>>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>>> is the signal coming from.
>>>
>>> W6XI
>>>
>>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>>
>>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>>
>>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>>> when
>>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
> is..
>>>> Not Always.
>>>>
>>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
> passes
>>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along
the
> 7
>>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most
of
>>> us
>>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>>
>>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>>
>>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
>>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
> Greyline
>>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>>
>>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of
173
>>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>>
>>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>>> propagation
>>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
> currently
>>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>>
>>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>>> which,
>>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and
will
>>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>>> predictors
>>>> I tried.
>>>>
>>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>>
>>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>>
>>>> Bill W7EXG



From jdwothe at cox.net  Wed Apr  6 08:51:50 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 05:51:50 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA 3537 up
In-Reply-To: <esoQ1s00X45oxQM01soT64>
References: <570469D9.2060604@cox.net> <esoQ1s00X45oxQM01soT64>
Message-ID: <57050666.3030108@cox.net>

Geez, might just be the superior technique. Cant be the antenna with a 
radiation pattern strait up. :-)

On 4/5/2016 9:46 PM, Wes wrote:
> I worked them last night on 40 SSB @0055Z and on 80 CW 15 minutes later.
>
> Really surprising considering my low inverted-vee.  Must be 
> attributable to superior operator skill.
>
> Wes
>
>
> On 4/5/2016 6:43 PM, Jerry wrote:
>> Just worked them. But some QSB takes them into the mud
>>
>> W6XI
>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Wed Apr  6 09:15:19 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:15:19 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK - HEARD -
 1st PASS PM GREYLINE DATA for 4/5 AZ.
In-Reply-To: <euRg1s00P45oxQM01uRjVE>
References: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf> <57030886.1070503@cox.net>
	<ekv51s00L45oxQM01kv6AR> <57043D94.5030001@cox.net>
	<euRg1s00P45oxQM01uRjVE>
Message-ID: <57050BE7.8080800@cox.net>

Bill:

Nothing heard from Heard. The band just was not there. Was forced to 
chase the FT4 guys on 80 with success but that is all. Same story this 
morning at SR, no VK0 heard by anyone in the NA.  Maybe tonight. Nothing 
heard around here on 160 of the FT4 either.

Jerry

On 4/5/2016 11:25 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Propagation tonight was NOT like the night of April 1st, (4/2 UTC)
>
> Hope you HEARD something on 80/160 m.
>
> As of 9:30pm LOCAL tonight (9:30am LOCAL Heard time), here is what I
> observed, for far-side SUNRISE Greyline propagation.
>
> I HEARD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM HEARD.. UNTIL ABOUT 6:44PM.. 1ST ON 40M.
> LONG PATH. THIS WAS AT LOCAL SUNSET.
>
> 40M (Local Time)
> 4:30-6:44 -- NOTHING
> 7pm - weak but audible/workable (High noise level) Long Path
> 7:30pm to 8:30pm - Strongest Signal occurred during this timeframe.
> 9pm - VERY WEAK
> 9:30pm NO SIGNAL
>
> 30M (Local Time)
> 7:20pm -- Nothing heard until this time -  LP
> 		Called CQ often.
> 8pm -- Weak, but workable. Stronger than 40m signals at this time.
> 9pm - Audible, but not workable
> 9:30pm.. no signal
>
> 20m and UP
> HEARD was ON, but HEARD nothing.
>
> SUMMRY
> - NO GREYLINE SIGNALS WERE HEARD on the SUNSET SUNNY Side UNTIL SUNSET.
> - Lower Band Signals appeared before the higher band signals. NOTE: THIS
> MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TRANSMITTING ON 30m. More Data Needed.
> -- Both 40m and 30m signals peaked about 8pm, local time, or about 1.25
> hours AFTER near-SUNSET/far-SUNRISE
> - Signals could still be heard 2.25 Hours after SUNSET/SUNRISE, but faded to
> ZERO soon after.
> - 30m signal peak was stronger than the 40m signal, but both were near the
> noise level this evening.
>
> CONCLUSIONS
> -- For Far-Side SUNRISE Greyline Propagation (SUNSET LOCAL):
> 	1. Greyline signals cannot be heard until near-SUNSET.
> 	2. Signals FROM the far-SUNRISE Side could be heard 2.25 hours AFTER
> Far-side Sunrise! I find this significant.
> 	5. This means 40m AND 30m Signals were propagating over daylight
> ionized layer regions, until they entered into the Greyline.
> 	6. Since Earth travels approximately 1000 mph at the Equator, it is
> likely the daylight propagation region, after 2.25 hours was about 1000 or
> more miles at HEARD. (Distance lower due to latitude - can calculate later).
>
> 	7. This suggests the D layer was building slowly, since perhaps the
> F/F2 layers were still active on 30m AND 40m over the daylight distance.
> 	8. Lower Band propagation falters before higher band propagation,
> possibly due to the building of the D layer on SUNRISE daylight side.
>
> IT IS INTERESTING THERE IS DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION OVER SIGNFICANT DISTANCES,
> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNRISE SIDE, BUT NO DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION
> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNSET SIDE.
>
> This also suggests it might be possible to work HEARD well past Tucson's
> SUNRISE.. on 30m and 40m. HEARD sunset is 5:40pm local, or 5:40am out time.
> Thus it is UNLIKELY we would EVER hear HEARD TOMORROW AM, until
> after 5:40am, based on what we learned tonight. Greyline MUST be past their
> SUNSET.
>
> Right now, HEARD is 1/2 hour into dark at our sunrise. So we are good to go,
> after sunrise. Might take some data tomorrow am, for verification.
>
> MORE DATA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, BEFORE MORE CONVINCING CONCLUSIONS CAN BE
> DRAWN.
>
> There was a significant difference in the propagation this evening 4/5 vs
> that of 4/1. Only the SPOTS appear significantly different in the solar
> indices. It could be related to the recent aurora in Antarctica. 	
>
>    Date   SFI   Spots  K
>    4/5    83    39     2
>    4/1    82    11     3
>
> I WILL BE TAKING MORE OF THIS TYPE of DATA.. AM/PM --  4 DAYS LEFT!!
>
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:35 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard) /
> AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers
>
> Bill:
>
> As of late with the VK0 hearing them on either 80 or 160 is the
> challenge let alone get a feel for the variation of strength of the
> signal. I of course have very little good directionality with my
> antennas although they do have some. I intend to listen tonight to see
> if I can hear them on either of those bands and if so will make a note
> of what time that happens. Mornings are better here because of a lot
> less noise than evenings. I have been listening in the mornings
> generally starting about 5:00 local time. So far not only have I not
> heard them, but no one else has either although they have been on as
> reported by some Russian stations that monitor them.
>
> So lets see what we can hear.
>
> I know  there are not many in the club that deal with the low bands like
> I do but even with 40 and up the Grayline can be significant to us to
> work that hard to work station. One just has to know its there and how
> to use it so it would make a great discussion at club meetings.
>
> Thanks for picking up on the subject.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 4/5/2016 1:54 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> Jerry,
>>
>> You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.
>>
>> While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se, I
>> suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
>> type propagation.
>>
>> I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs
> time,
>> for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and
> maybe
>> 17m, in the next few nights.
>>
>> OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
>> sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP.
> Perhaps
>> bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different
> than
>> the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle.
>>
>> For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data.
>>
>> UTC APRIL 6
>> 	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
>> 	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local
>>
>> Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map at
>> 01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!
>>
>> THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
>> target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
>> like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal.
>>
>> For UTC
>> 4/7   dT = 5 Min
>> 4/8   dT = 4 min
>> 4/9   dT = 3 min
>> 4/10  dT = 2 min
>>
>> For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other nights...as
> a
>> function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour
> or
>> more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
>> intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
>> bands as well.
>>
>> I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
>> document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
>> great.
>>
>> What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
>> signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
>> greyline UTC times are almost identical.
>>
>> We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting.
>>
>> Glad you asked Jerry!!
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Wothe
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
> /
>> AZ Propagation
>>
>> This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to
>> the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak
>> in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160
>> grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when
>> I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done
>> much there to make the observation.
>>
>> W6XI
>>
>> On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
>>> Bill and all..
>>>
>>> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
>>> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being only
>>> a few minutes apart...
>>>
>>> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
>>> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
>>> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
>>> locating different objects in the field.
>>>
>>> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our
> radios!!!!
>>> Bob - K7BHM
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>>>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg
> would
>>>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>>>
>>>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
>> The
>>>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
>> the
>>>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>>>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side targets.
>>>>
>>>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark to
>>>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
>> progressing
>>>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
>> dark,
>>>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>>>
>>>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>>>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
>> with
>>>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
>> low
>>>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
>> across
>>>> the Greyline.
>>>>
>>>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>>>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
>> dark
>>>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>>>
>>>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is
> transitioning
>>>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
>> MUF.
>>>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
>> propagation
>>>> works..
>>>>
>>>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away] was
>>>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
>> Don't
>>>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>>>
>>>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>>>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side propagation.
>>>>
>>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> Wothe
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK
> (Heard)
>> /
>>>> AZ Propagation
>>>>
>>>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>>>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>>>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If you
>>>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>>>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>>>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>>>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>>>> is the signal coming from.
>>>>
>>>> W6XI
>>>>
>>>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>>>
>>>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>>>
>>>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>>>> when
>>>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
>> is..
>>>>> Not Always.
>>>>>
>>>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
>> passes
>>>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along
> the
>> 7
>>>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most
> of
>>>> us
>>>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>>>
>>>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>>>
>>>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought Tucson,
>>>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
>> Greyline
>>>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>>>
>>>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of
> 173
>>>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>>>> propagation
>>>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
>> currently
>>>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>>>
>>>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>>>> which,
>>>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and
> will
>>>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>>>> predictors
>>>>> I tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>>>
>>>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill W7EXG
>
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From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 09:29:01 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:29:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK 10114 1st Heard 13:20Z - Calling CQ few answer LP Best
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com><5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com><01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com><57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
	<00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC> 
Message-ID: <ECB59F6FB1B34E57B86233843AE5D9F6@OwnerPC>


1st Heard 13:20Z .. Weak, fading in/out and few answering 



From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 09:39:02 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 06:39:02 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK   7016 1st Heard 13:25Z -   LP Best
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com><5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com><01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com><57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
	<00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC> 
Message-ID: <B7E9A2D1190D43A19F90CA0EC947E267@OwnerPC>


7016 1st Heard 13:25Z .. Weak, but workable 



From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 11:25:11 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:25:11 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK RTTY Operation
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO-8RdEM5LBiTpyDAVUGKr18ZhawjmVPEhMuzzGOENjKvA@mail.gmail.com>

aka  ..."or lack thereof"...

With only 4 days to go, the RTTY
Q's Stats show about 3% of the
gross total.

Does not bode well for us RTTY op's !!

73, Dick, W1KSZ

From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 11:18:12 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 08:18:12 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK - HEARD - 1st PASS AM GREYLINE DATA for 4/6 AZ.
In-Reply-To: <57050BE7.8080800@cox.net>
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	<57030886.1070503@cox.net><ekv51s00L45oxQM01kv6AR>
	<57043D94.5030001@cox.net><euRg1s00P45oxQM01uRjVE>
	<57050BE7.8080800@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3EFFA2DEE22D4252A8B02EA43B8F1263@OwnerPC>

Jerry, 

Thanks for the 80/160 Vk0EK Grreyline report of "no signals" this AM.

MY VK0EK Greyline report this AM for 4/6 AZ is al follows: 

- Did NOT hear HEARD on Bands higher than 30m at any time after SUNRISE, as
indicated by DX Spots and DXA. 
- Only Heard VK0EK on 40m, and 30m, and LP was best for both cases.  
- FIRST heard VK0EK on both bands about 20 min AFTER VK0EK Sunset.. not
before. (This is good, as it still supports the "AFTER SUNSET" Greyline
Hypothesis). 
- 40m sig faded to 0, about 7:30am AZ. Think VK0EK QRTed on 30m. 
- Total Greyline propagation time on 40m.. about 1 hour
- Signals faded about 1hr. 20 min. after sunrise (Or after VK0EK Sunset)
NOTE: Not sure why, but for AFTER our SUNSET last night, I heard VK0EK on
40m for 2 Hrs, 30 min. For this AM, I heard VK0EK for only about 1 hr 20
min. after our SUNRISE (or after their SUNSET).  Seems a bit odd. 

Anyway.. that's the VK0EK Greyline Data for this AM. 

73s, 

Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:15 AM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK - HEARD -
1st PASS PM GREYLINE DATA for 4/5 AZ.

Bill:

Nothing heard from Heard. The band just was not there. Was forced to 
chase the FT4 guys on 80 with success but that is all. Same story this 
morning at SR, no VK0 heard by anyone in the NA.  Maybe tonight. Nothing 
heard around here on 160 of the FT4 either.

Jerry

On 4/5/2016 11:25 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Propagation tonight was NOT like the night of April 1st, (4/2 UTC)
>
> Hope you HEARD something on 80/160 m.
>
> As of 9:30pm LOCAL tonight (9:30am LOCAL Heard time), here is what I
> observed, for far-side SUNRISE Greyline propagation.
>
> I HEARD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM HEARD.. UNTIL ABOUT 6:44PM.. 1ST ON 40M.
> LONG PATH. THIS WAS AT LOCAL SUNSET.
>
> 40M (Local Time)
> 4:30-6:44 -- NOTHING
> 7pm - weak but audible/workable (High noise level) Long Path
> 7:30pm to 8:30pm - Strongest Signal occurred during this timeframe.
> 9pm - VERY WEAK
> 9:30pm NO SIGNAL
>
> 30M (Local Time)
> 7:20pm -- Nothing heard until this time -  LP
> 		Called CQ often.
> 8pm -- Weak, but workable. Stronger than 40m signals at this time.
> 9pm - Audible, but not workable
> 9:30pm.. no signal
>
> 20m and UP
> HEARD was ON, but HEARD nothing.
>
> SUMMRY
> - NO GREYLINE SIGNALS WERE HEARD on the SUNSET SUNNY Side UNTIL SUNSET.
> - Lower Band Signals appeared before the higher band signals. NOTE: THIS
> MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TRANSMITTING ON 30m. More Data Needed.
> -- Both 40m and 30m signals peaked about 8pm, local time, or about 1.25
> hours AFTER near-SUNSET/far-SUNRISE
> - Signals could still be heard 2.25 Hours after SUNSET/SUNRISE, but faded
to
> ZERO soon after.
> - 30m signal peak was stronger than the 40m signal, but both were near the
> noise level this evening.
>
> CONCLUSIONS
> -- For Far-Side SUNRISE Greyline Propagation (SUNSET LOCAL):
> 	1. Greyline signals cannot be heard until near-SUNSET.
> 	2. Signals FROM the far-SUNRISE Side could be heard 2.25 hours AFTER
> Far-side Sunrise! I find this significant.
> 	5. This means 40m AND 30m Signals were propagating over daylight
> ionized layer regions, until they entered into the Greyline.
> 	6. Since Earth travels approximately 1000 mph at the Equator, it is
> likely the daylight propagation region, after 2.25 hours was about 1000 or
> more miles at HEARD. (Distance lower due to latitude - can calculate
later).
>
> 	7. This suggests the D layer was building slowly, since perhaps the
> F/F2 layers were still active on 30m AND 40m over the daylight distance.
> 	8. Lower Band propagation falters before higher band propagation,
> possibly due to the building of the D layer on SUNRISE daylight side.
>
> IT IS INTERESTING THERE IS DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION OVER SIGNFICANT DISTANCES,
> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNRISE SIDE, BUT NO DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION
> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNSET SIDE.
>
> This also suggests it might be possible to work HEARD well past Tucson's
> SUNRISE.. on 30m and 40m. HEARD sunset is 5:40pm local, or 5:40am out
time.
> Thus it is UNLIKELY we would EVER hear HEARD TOMORROW AM, until
> after 5:40am, based on what we learned tonight. Greyline MUST be past
their
> SUNSET.
>
> Right now, HEARD is 1/2 hour into dark at our sunrise. So we are good to
go,
> after sunrise. Might take some data tomorrow am, for verification.
>
> MORE DATA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, BEFORE MORE CONVINCING CONCLUSIONS CAN BE
> DRAWN.
>
> There was a significant difference in the propagation this evening 4/5 vs
> that of 4/1. Only the SPOTS appear significantly different in the solar
> indices. It could be related to the recent aurora in Antarctica. 	
>
>    Date   SFI   Spots  K
>    4/5    83    39     2
>    4/1    82    11     3
>
> I WILL BE TAKING MORE OF THIS TYPE of DATA.. AM/PM --  4 DAYS LEFT!!
>
> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:35 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
/
> AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers
>
> Bill:
>
> As of late with the VK0 hearing them on either 80 or 160 is the
> challenge let alone get a feel for the variation of strength of the
> signal. I of course have very little good directionality with my
> antennas although they do have some. I intend to listen tonight to see
> if I can hear them on either of those bands and if so will make a note
> of what time that happens. Mornings are better here because of a lot
> less noise than evenings. I have been listening in the mornings
> generally starting about 5:00 local time. So far not only have I not
> heard them, but no one else has either although they have been on as
> reported by some Russian stations that monitor them.
>
> So lets see what we can hear.
>
> I know  there are not many in the club that deal with the low bands like
> I do but even with 40 and up the Grayline can be significant to us to
> work that hard to work station. One just has to know its there and how
> to use it so it would make a great discussion at club meetings.
>
> Thanks for picking up on the subject.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 4/5/2016 1:54 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> Jerry,
>>
>> You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.
>>
>> While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se,
I
>> suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
>> type propagation.
>>
>> I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs
> time,
>> for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and
> maybe
>> 17m, in the next few nights.
>>
>> OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
>> sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP.
> Perhaps
>> bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different
> than
>> the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle.
>>
>> For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data.
>>
>> UTC APRIL 6
>> 	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
>> 	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local
>>
>> Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map
at
>> 01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!
>>
>> THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
>> target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
>> like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal.
>>
>> For UTC
>> 4/7   dT = 5 Min
>> 4/8   dT = 4 min
>> 4/9   dT = 3 min
>> 4/10  dT = 2 min
>>
>> For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other
nights...as
> a
>> function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour
> or
>> more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
>> intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
>> bands as well.
>>
>> I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
>> document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
>> great.
>>
>> What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
>> signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
>> greyline UTC times are almost identical.
>>
>> We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting.
>>
>> Glad you asked Jerry!!
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Wothe
>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
> /
>> AZ Propagation
>>
>> This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to
>> the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak
>> in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160
>> grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when
>> I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done
>> much there to make the observation.
>>
>> W6XI
>>
>> On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
>>> Bill and all..
>>>
>>> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
>>> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being
only
>>> a few minutes apart...
>>>
>>> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
>>> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
>>> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
>>> locating different objects in the field.
>>>
>>> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our
> radios!!!!
>>> Bob - K7BHM
>>>
>>>
>>> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>>>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg
> would
>>>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>>>
>>>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
>> The
>>>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>>>> difference.
>>>>
>>>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
>> the
>>>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>>>
>>>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>>>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side
targets.
>>>>
>>>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark
to
>>>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
>> progressing
>>>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
>> dark,
>>>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>>>
>>>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>>>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
>> with
>>>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
>> low
>>>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
>> across
>>>> the Greyline.
>>>>
>>>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>>>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
>> dark
>>>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>>>
>>>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is
> transitioning
>>>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
>> MUF.
>>>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
>> propagation
>>>> works..
>>>>
>>>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away]
was
>>>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
>> Don't
>>>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>>>
>>>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>>>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side
propagation.
>>>>
>>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> Wothe
>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK
> (Heard)
>> /
>>>> AZ Propagation
>>>>
>>>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>>>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>>>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If
you
>>>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>>>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>>>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>>>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>>>> is the signal coming from.
>>>>
>>>> W6XI
>>>>
>>>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>>>
>>>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>>>
>>>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>>>> when
>>>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
>> is..
>>>>> Not Always.
>>>>>
>>>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
>> passes
>>>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along
> the
>> 7
>>>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most
> of
>>>> us
>>>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>>>
>>>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>>>
>>>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought
Tucson,
>>>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
>> Greyline
>>>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>>>
>>>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of
> 173
>>>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>>>
>>>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>>>> propagation
>>>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
>> currently
>>>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>>>
>>>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>>>> which,
>>>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and
> will
>>>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>>>> predictors
>>>>> I tried.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>>>
>>>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill W7EXG
>
> ______________________________________________________________


From W7EXG at q.com  Wed Apr  6 12:22:20 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:22:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Terminator Speed at HEARD and DAYLIGHT Propagaion Distance
	of Greyline, after Sunrise
In-Reply-To: <B7E9A2D1190D43A19F90CA0EC947E267@OwnerPC>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com><5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com><01f301d18ef3$9df855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com><57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com><00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>
	<B7E9A2D1190D43A19F90CA0EC947E267@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <1E8E9DAD5987490FBB7B07AF0616650D@OwnerPC>


The Earth's Terminator Speed at HEARD is 623 mi/hr at -53 deg latitude. 

Since on 4/5 AZ time, VK0EK's signal was heard 2 hrs and 25 min. AFTER
VK0EK's SUNRISE, the GREYLINE daylight propagation path DISTANCE AFTER
SUNRISE (distance from Heard to westward moving Terminator) was  1505 miles.
 
This is an amazing distance, for a 40m signal to propagate in daylight,
just to travel to the actual Greyline boundary [not to mention the 11,000
miles around the world to Tucson]. 

I guess it really doesn't come as a surprise to many,  based on the Easterly
Stations still heard on 40m at Sunrise. 

To me, all this strongly suggests the D layer is slow to materialize after
sunrise.. It is well known, the D layer quickly dissipates AFTER SUNSET. 

The reason I find this important for DX chasers, is this data suggests the
actual propagation BAND of the Greyline, appears to be well over a 1000
miles on the SUNRISE side of the Earth's visible light terminator. 

This might have value to some, in planning a GREYLINE DX target timeframe
window. 

73s, 

Bill W7EXG



    


From w1ksz at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  6 12:46:01 2016
From: w1ksz at earthlink.net (Richard W. Solomon)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 09:46:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
Message-ID: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>

The latest deletion of Kingman Reef got me thinking 

about what I perceive as an inequity between the DXCC 

Honor Roll and the DXCC Challenge.

 

Now, while the deletion affects both programs (your 

Credits for the Deleted Entity are also deleted), the 

inequity lies in that while the entry level for the Honor 

Roll is adjusted, the similar level (3,000 Q's) for the 

DXCC Challenge is not.

 

I can see the rationale for the Honor Roll being limited 

to Current Entity's, but the reason for applying the similar

rationale to the Challenge evades me.

The Honor Roll rules avoid having the top 10 populated 

by those who have been around the longest and accumulated 

the most countries. Just imagine if the top of the Honor Roll 

included ALL the Deleted Entities (401 at last count), very 

few, if any, could reach the Honor Roll today.

 

Another thought . the Honor Roll "Bar" is set using the "Top 

Down" method, while the "Bar" for the Challenge is set using 

the "Bottom Up" method. Including credits for Deleted Entities 

in the DXCC Challenge would not preclude people from reaching 

it, far from it.

 

Therefore, I would propose including Deleted Entities in the calculation 

for the DXCC Challenge. 

 

Comments, both pro and con are welcome. 

 

73, Dick, W1KSZ


From RSoifer1 at aol.com  Wed Apr  6 13:24:23 2016
From: RSoifer1 at aol.com (RSoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:24:23 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] Challenge
Message-ID: <aaf1b.631dae4e.4436a047@aol.com>

Hi Dick,
 
I'm not participating in the DXCC Challenge so am neutral on the  issue.  
However:
 
>From what I can see, the 3K level is virtually impossible from AZ except  
for those who were active on 6 meters during previous sunspot cycles.   Talk 
about rewarding longevity!
 
In addition, even though I'm a 160-meter guy, including 160 in the  
Challensge greatly favors Europe and the east coast.
 
So, whether top down or bottom up, JFK was right: life IS unfair.
 
73 Ray W2RS

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Apr  6 14:33:58 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:33:58 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
In-Reply-To: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
References: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
Message-ID: <57055696.9030103@triconet.org>

I must be missing something.  DXCC Challenge requires 1000 confirmed 
band/countries.  Where does 3,000 come from?

On 4/6/2016 9:46 AM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
> The latest deletion of Kingman Reef got me thinking
>
> about what I perceive as an inequity between the DXCC
>
> Honor Roll and the DXCC Challenge.
>
>   
>
> Now, while the deletion affects both programs (your
>
> Credits for the Deleted Entity are also deleted), the
>
> inequity lies in that while the entry level for the Honor
>
> Roll is adjusted, the similar level (3,000 Q's) for the
>
> DXCC Challenge is not.
>
>   
>
> I can see the rationale for the Honor Roll being limited
>
> to Current Entity's, but the reason for applying the similar
>
> rationale to the Challenge evades me.
>
> The Honor Roll rules avoid having the top 10 populated
>
> by those who have been around the longest and accumulated
>
> the most countries. Just imagine if the top of the Honor Roll
>
> included ALL the Deleted Entities (401 at last count), very
>
> few, if any, could reach the Honor Roll today.
>
>   
>
> Another thought . the Honor Roll "Bar" is set using the "Top
>
> Down" method, while the "Bar" for the Challenge is set using
>
> the "Bottom Up" method. Including credits for Deleted Entities
>
> in the DXCC Challenge would not preclude people from reaching
>
> it, far from it.
>
>   
>
> Therefore, I would propose including Deleted Entities in the calculation
>
> for the DXCC Challenge.
>
>   
>
> Comments, both pro and con are welcome.
>
>   
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 14:55:54 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 11:55:54 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
In-Reply-To: <57055696.9030103@triconet.org>
References: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
	<57055696.9030103@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO_Do53Fj+1Y6ti8HqvuqmWHCGdkwedM3AVimDm2Kv7aEw@mail.gmail.com>

You become anointed when you reach
the 3,000 level. Words of praise are
heaped upon you, etc, etc.

Much like reaching the first rung of the
Honor Roll.

73, Dick, W1KSZ



On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I must be missing something.  DXCC Challenge requires 1000 confirmed
> band/countries.  Where does 3,000 come from?
>
>
> On 4/6/2016 9:46 AM, Richard W. Solomon wrote:
>
>> The latest deletion of Kingman Reef got me thinking
>>
>> about what I perceive as an inequity between the DXCC
>>
>> Honor Roll and the DXCC Challenge.
>>
>>
>> Now, while the deletion affects both programs (your
>>
>> Credits for the Deleted Entity are also deleted), the
>>
>> inequity lies in that while the entry level for the Honor
>>
>> Roll is adjusted, the similar level (3,000 Q's) for the
>>
>> DXCC Challenge is not.
>>
>>
>> I can see the rationale for the Honor Roll being limited
>>
>> to Current Entity's, but the reason for applying the similar
>>
>> rationale to the Challenge evades me.
>>
>> The Honor Roll rules avoid having the top 10 populated
>>
>> by those who have been around the longest and accumulated
>>
>> the most countries. Just imagine if the top of the Honor Roll
>>
>> included ALL the Deleted Entities (401 at last count), very
>>
>> few, if any, could reach the Honor Roll today.
>>
>>
>> Another thought . the Honor Roll "Bar" is set using the "Top
>>
>> Down" method, while the "Bar" for the Challenge is set using
>>
>> the "Bottom Up" method. Including credits for Deleted Entities
>>
>> in the DXCC Challenge would not preclude people from reaching
>>
>> it, far from it.
>>
>>
>> Therefore, I would propose including Deleted Entities in the calculation
>>
>> for the DXCC Challenge.
>>
>>
>> Comments, both pro and con are welcome.
>>
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>>
>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Apr  6 15:57:12 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 12:57:12 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Terminator Speed at HEARD and DAYLIGHT Propagaion
 Distance of Greyline, after Sunrise
In-Reply-To: <1E8E9DAD5987490FBB7B07AF0616650D@OwnerPC>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com> <01f301d18ef3$9d
	f855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com> <57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
	<00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>
	<B7E9A2D1190D43A19F90CA0EC947E267@OwnerPC>
	<1E8E9DAD5987490FBB7B07AF0616650D@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <57056A18.7070009@triconet.org>

A suggestion that before getting too wound up about this, a look at this 
presentation might be "illuminating."

http://wwrof.org/webinar-archive/a-long-overdue-review-of-gray-line-propagation-on-the-low-bands-by-carl-luetzelschwab-k9la/

On 4/6/2016 9:22 AM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> The Earth's Terminator Speed at HEARD is 623 mi/hr at -53 deg latitude.
>
> Since on 4/5 AZ time, VK0EK's signal was heard 2 hrs and 25 min. AFTER
> VK0EK's SUNRISE, the GREYLINE daylight propagation path DISTANCE AFTER
> SUNRISE (distance from Heard to westward moving Terminator) was  1505 miles.
>   
> This is an amazing distance, for a 40m signal to propagate in daylight,
> just to travel to the actual Greyline boundary [not to mention the 11,000
> miles around the world to Tucson].
>
> I guess it really doesn't come as a surprise to many,  based on the Easterly
> Stations still heard on 40m at Sunrise.
>
> To me, all this strongly suggests the D layer is slow to materialize after
> sunrise.. It is well known, the D layer quickly dissipates AFTER SUNSET.
>
> The reason I find this important for DX chasers, is this data suggests the
> actual propagation BAND of the Greyline, appears to be well over a 1000
> miles on the SUNRISE side of the Earth's visible light terminator.
>
> This might have value to some, in planning a GREYLINE DX target timeframe
> window.
>
> 73s,
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
>
>
>


From jdwothe at cox.net  Wed Apr  6 16:16:19 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:16:19 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK - HEARD - 1st PASS AM GREYLINE DATA for 4/6 AZ.
In-Reply-To: <f3wB1s02E45oxQM013wFGx>
References: <eQ6C1s00q45oxQM01Q6EEf> <57030886.1070503@cox.net>
	<ekv51s00L45oxQM01kv6AR> <57043D94.5030001@cox.net>
	<euRg1s00P45oxQM01uRjVE>
	<57050BE7.8080800@cox.net> <f3wB1s02E45oxQM013wFGx>
Message-ID: <57056E93.2080309@cox.net>

I am told  the VK guys showed up on 80 m this morning but way after SR 
and some folks on the West coast worked them.

On 4/6/2016 8:18 AM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
> Jerry,
>
> Thanks for the 80/160 Vk0EK Grreyline report of "no signals" this AM.
>
> MY VK0EK Greyline report this AM for 4/6 AZ is al follows:
>
> - Did NOT hear HEARD on Bands higher than 30m at any time after SUNRISE, as
> indicated by DX Spots and DXA.
> - Only Heard VK0EK on 40m, and 30m, and LP was best for both cases.
> - FIRST heard VK0EK on both bands about 20 min AFTER VK0EK Sunset.. not
> before. (This is good, as it still supports the "AFTER SUNSET" Greyline
> Hypothesis).
> - 40m sig faded to 0, about 7:30am AZ. Think VK0EK QRTed on 30m.
> - Total Greyline propagation time on 40m.. about 1 hour
> - Signals faded about 1hr. 20 min. after sunrise (Or after VK0EK Sunset)
> NOTE: Not sure why, but for AFTER our SUNSET last night, I heard VK0EK on
> 40m for 2 Hrs, 30 min. For this AM, I heard VK0EK for only about 1 hr 20
> min. after our SUNRISE (or after their SUNSET).  Seems a bit odd.
>
> Anyway.. that's the VK0EK Greyline Data for this AM.
>
> 73s,
>
> Bill W7EXG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
> Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 6:15 AM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK - HEARD -
> 1st PASS PM GREYLINE DATA for 4/5 AZ.
>
> Bill:
>
> Nothing heard from Heard. The band just was not there. Was forced to
> chase the FT4 guys on 80 with success but that is all. Same story this
> morning at SR, no VK0 heard by anyone in the NA.  Maybe tonight. Nothing
> heard around here on 160 of the FT4 either.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 4/5/2016 11:25 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> Jerry,
>>
>> Propagation tonight was NOT like the night of April 1st, (4/2 UTC)
>>
>> Hope you HEARD something on 80/160 m.
>>
>> As of 9:30pm LOCAL tonight (9:30am LOCAL Heard time), here is what I
>> observed, for far-side SUNRISE Greyline propagation.
>>
>> I HEARD ABSOLUTELY NOTHING FROM HEARD.. UNTIL ABOUT 6:44PM.. 1ST ON 40M.
>> LONG PATH. THIS WAS AT LOCAL SUNSET.
>>
>> 40M (Local Time)
>> 4:30-6:44 -- NOTHING
>> 7pm - weak but audible/workable (High noise level) Long Path
>> 7:30pm to 8:30pm - Strongest Signal occurred during this timeframe.
>> 9pm - VERY WEAK
>> 9:30pm NO SIGNAL
>>
>> 30M (Local Time)
>> 7:20pm -- Nothing heard until this time -  LP
>> 		Called CQ often.
>> 8pm -- Weak, but workable. Stronger than 40m signals at this time.
>> 9pm - Audible, but not workable
>> 9:30pm.. no signal
>>
>> 20m and UP
>> HEARD was ON, but HEARD nothing.
>>
>> SUMMRY
>> - NO GREYLINE SIGNALS WERE HEARD on the SUNSET SUNNY Side UNTIL SUNSET.
>> - Lower Band Signals appeared before the higher band signals. NOTE: THIS
>> MIGHT BE BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT TRANSMITTING ON 30m. More Data Needed.
>> -- Both 40m and 30m signals peaked about 8pm, local time, or about 1.25
>> hours AFTER near-SUNSET/far-SUNRISE
>> - Signals could still be heard 2.25 Hours after SUNSET/SUNRISE, but faded
> to
>> ZERO soon after.
>> - 30m signal peak was stronger than the 40m signal, but both were near the
>> noise level this evening.
>>
>> CONCLUSIONS
>> -- For Far-Side SUNRISE Greyline Propagation (SUNSET LOCAL):
>> 	1. Greyline signals cannot be heard until near-SUNSET.
>> 	2. Signals FROM the far-SUNRISE Side could be heard 2.25 hours AFTER
>> Far-side Sunrise! I find this significant.
>> 	5. This means 40m AND 30m Signals were propagating over daylight
>> ionized layer regions, until they entered into the Greyline.
>> 	6. Since Earth travels approximately 1000 mph at the Equator, it is
>> likely the daylight propagation region, after 2.25 hours was about 1000 or
>> more miles at HEARD. (Distance lower due to latitude - can calculate
> later).
>> 	7. This suggests the D layer was building slowly, since perhaps the
>> F/F2 layers were still active on 30m AND 40m over the daylight distance.
>> 	8. Lower Band propagation falters before higher band propagation,
>> possibly due to the building of the D layer on SUNRISE daylight side.
>>
>> IT IS INTERESTING THERE IS DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION OVER SIGNFICANT DISTANCES,
>> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNRISE SIDE, BUT NO DAYLIGHT PROPAGATION
>> INTO/FROM THE GREYLINE ON THE SUNSET SIDE.
>>
>> This also suggests it might be possible to work HEARD well past Tucson's
>> SUNRISE.. on 30m and 40m. HEARD sunset is 5:40pm local, or 5:40am out
> time.
>> Thus it is UNLIKELY we would EVER hear HEARD TOMORROW AM, until
>> after 5:40am, based on what we learned tonight. Greyline MUST be past
> their
>> SUNSET.
>>
>> Right now, HEARD is 1/2 hour into dark at our sunrise. So we are good to
> go,
>> after sunrise. Might take some data tomorrow am, for verification.
>>
>> MORE DATA NEEDS TO BE TAKEN, BEFORE MORE CONVINCING CONCLUSIONS CAN BE
>> DRAWN.
>>
>> There was a significant difference in the propagation this evening 4/5 vs
>> that of 4/1. Only the SPOTS appear significantly different in the solar
>> indices. It could be related to the recent aurora in Antarctica. 	
>>
>>     Date   SFI   Spots  K
>>     4/5    83    39     2
>>     4/1    82    11     3
>>
>> I WILL BE TAKING MORE OF THIS TYPE of DATA.. AM/PM --  4 DAYS LEFT!!
>>
>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2016 3:35 PM
>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
> /
>> AZ Propagation - GREYLINE DATA TAKING - Any Takers
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> As of late with the VK0 hearing them on either 80 or 160 is the
>> challenge let alone get a feel for the variation of strength of the
>> signal. I of course have very little good directionality with my
>> antennas although they do have some. I intend to listen tonight to see
>> if I can hear them on either of those bands and if so will make a note
>> of what time that happens. Mornings are better here because of a lot
>> less noise than evenings. I have been listening in the mornings
>> generally starting about 5:00 local time. So far not only have I not
>> heard them, but no one else has either although they have been on as
>> reported by some Russian stations that monitor them.
>>
>> So lets see what we can hear.
>>
>> I know  there are not many in the club that deal with the low bands like
>> I do but even with 40 and up the Grayline can be significant to us to
>> work that hard to work station. One just has to know its there and how
>> to use it so it would make a great discussion at club meetings.
>>
>> Thanks for picking up on the subject.
>>
>> Jerry
>>
>> On 4/5/2016 1:54 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>> Jerry,
>>>
>>> You're asking an interesting question, but my memory is fading! Hi Hi.
>>>
>>> While I have not documented the greyline signal strength vs time per se,
> I
>>> suspect it might depend upon the Frequency, and the Near-side or Far-Side
>>> type propagation.
>>>
>>> I think we all have an excellent opportunity NOW to observe signals vs
>> time,
>>> for the HEARD PM far-side Greyline .. and on 160m, 40m, 30m, 20m, and
>> maybe
>>> 17m, in the next few nights.
>>>
>>> OBJECTIVE: How does the far-side HEARD signal strength change relative to
>>> sunset/sunrise Local time,  as a function of frequency, time, LP/SP.
>> Perhaps
>>> bearing change might also be interesting, especially if much different
>> than
>>> the Greyline, and Geometrical Angle.
>>>
>>> For HEARD/TUCSON sunrise/sunset local data.
>>>
>>> UTC APRIL 6
>>> 	SUNRISE HEARD  6:39AM Local
>>> 	SUNSET  TUCSON 6:44pm Local
>>>
>>> Note: dT = [Tsunset(Tus) - Tsunrise(Hrd)] = 5 min. See the Greyline Map
> at
>>> 01:44Z for April 6th UTC. Its PERFECT!!
>>>
>>> THIS IS ALMOST A GREYLINE DATA TAKER'S DREAM, for FAR-SIDE Data. And the
>>> target signal is transmitting almost all the time on most the bands. Its
>>> like testing a far-side  Greyline multiband beacon signal.
>>>
>>> For UTC
>>> 4/7   dT = 5 Min
>>> 4/8   dT = 4 min
>>> 4/9   dT = 3 min
>>> 4/10  dT = 2 min
>>>
>>> For 40m - 17m, I can take signal data tonight, and a few other
> nights...as
>> a
>>> function of time, LP, SP and bearing. Thinking of  starting maybe an hour
>> or
>>> more prior to sunset, and 5 hours after sunset, taking data at 1/2 Hour
>>> intervals.  I have 3 ele on 40m and 30m, so I can note bearing on these
>>> bands as well.
>>>
>>> I do not have 80m or 160m capability.. so if someone else would like to
>>> document this HEARD signal data vs time on these bands,  that would be
>>> great.
>>>
>>> What an excellent opportunity for us to observe the far-side greyline
>>> signals vs time and frequency,  when the far-side and near-side local
>>> greyline UTC times are almost identical.
>>>
>>> We can report on this at the next SADXA meeting.
>>>
>>> Glad you asked Jerry!!
>>>
>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
>> Wothe
>>> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 5:36 PM
>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK (Heard)
>> /
>>> AZ Propagation
>>>
>>> This for for you folks that have watched the grayline and listened to
>>> the DX stations. What has been your experience as to when the real peak
>>> in signal strength occurs? In my case I have listened to a lot of 160
>>> grayline and just about always about 10min before the actual SR is when
>>> I usually see the peak. Cant say the other bands because I have not done
>>> much there to make the observation.
>>>
>>> W6XI
>>>
>>> On 4/4/2016 5:06 PM, k7bhm at cox.net wrote:
>>>> Bill and all..
>>>>
>>>> An excellent analysis of "Gray-Line" and how it effects propagation
>>>> between Arizona and Heard.........Tucson and Phoenix Gray-line being
> only
>>>> a few minutes apart...
>>>>
>>>> 63 years ago while learning how to use a compass in Boy Scouts, we
>>>> were taught that in Arizona, Magnetic North was always 13 degrees
>>>> away (East) from True North. We had to make that adjustment when
>>>> locating different objects in the field.
>>>>
>>>> Who would'a thunk the concept was alive and well today with our
>> radios!!!!
>>>> Bob - K7BHM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ---- "W7EXG (Bill)" <W7EXG at q.com> wrote:
>>>>> The described Greyline bearing vs true Bearing difference of 13 deg
>> would
>>>>> not seem to have much difference on a directional antenna's gain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I simulated 13 deg 20m gain loss for a 3 ele SteppIR to be about 0.7dB.
>>> The
>>>>> same analysis for my 20m DB42 (5 ele on 42 ft boom) yielded a 1.2dB
>>>>> difference.
>>>>>
>>>>> Although this does not seem like much, but when signals are at or near
>>> the
>>>>> noise level, a 1.2dB signal improvement is helpful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Frequency propagation considerations are uniquely different along the
>>>>> Greyline, and uniquely dependant upon the near-side or far-side
> targets.
>>>>> For near-side, both stations are experiencing the Light to Dark (Dark
> to
>>>>> Light) transition together, while for far-side, one station is
>>> progressing
>>>>> from dark to light, while the other station is experiencing light to
>>> dark,
>>>>> or visa versa. This last case, is the case for HEARD.
>>>>>
>>>>> There is no other propagation region on Earth, where over a distance of
>>>>> about 1200 miles, the Light side shows a strong D layer, and High MUF
>>> with
>>>>> F2 layer, while the Dark side shows weak, or no D layer, [with F Layer
>>> low
>>>>> band DX propagation] and low MUF. I find the MUF gradient interesting
>>> across
>>>>> the Greyline.
>>>>>
>>>>> For near-side propagation along the Greyline, both stations start low
>>>>> frequency and work toward high frequency, or visa versa, dependent upon
>>> dark
>>>>> to light, or light to dark transition respectively.
>>>>>
>>>>> For far-side propagation along the greyline, one station is
>> transitioning
>>>>> from low to high MUF, and the other is transitioning from high to low
>>> MUF.
>>>>> This is a complicated process to accurately predict/model, but may be
>>>>> possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> Somewhere in the middle of the near-side/far-side greyline, the
>>> propagation
>>>>> works..
>>>>>
>>>>> I was amazed on 4/2/16 0300Z to 0400Z UTC, VK0EK [11,000 miles away]
> was
>>>>> being heard/worked on 40m, 30m, 20m, and 17m almost at the same time.
>>> Don't
>>>>> hear this too often. No place line the Greyline Experience.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greyline propagation is unique, and in some cases it is not clear what
>>>>> frequency to utilize, especially for the near-side/far-side
> propagation.
>>>>> 73s, Bill W7EXG
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry
>>> Wothe
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2016 4:01 PM
>>>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
>>>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] Optimum GreyLine-Termination Angle for VK0EK
>> (Heard)
>>> /
>>>>> AZ Propagation
>>>>>
>>>>> You have to consider what frequency you are working with also. The dark
>>>>> side is better for the low bands and the sunny side for the higher
>>>>> frequencies. Who is in the dark and who is in the light and when. If
> you
>>>>> are worrying about where to set your antenna, _+_ 10 degrees, very few
>>>>> antennas are that sharp that you can notice it. Plus depending on
>>>>> frequency the signal my not be best right on the great circle bearing.
>>>>> Lots of antenna rotating goes on right at SR/SS to find out just where
>>>>> is the signal coming from.
>>>>>
>>>>> W6XI
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4/3/2016 3:06 PM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>>>>>> By now, most of us have recognized the two opportunities per day, for
>>>>>> propagation between AZ and VK0EK, due to the Greyline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> QRZ bearing data shows 186 deg Short Path (SP) (6 deg Long Path (LP))
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The question becomes: Is this geometrical bearing, the correct bearing
>>>>> when
>>>>>> Greyline propagation is being considered? I submit the correct answer
>>> is..
>>>>>> Not Always.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For April 4th, 0140Z UTC, the greyline passing through Tucson, also
>>> passes
>>>>>> slightly West of Heard Island. The Greyline Terminator line is along
>> the
>>> 7
>>>>>> deg / 187 deg line. It is almost the perfect storm, since the Greyline
>>>>>> propagation path is close to the required 186 deg SP bearing. As most
>> of
>>>>> us
>>>>>> know, the evening propagation for VK0EK has recently been exceptional.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (HEARD considering staying put!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, for April 4th, 1300Z UTC, the greyline passing thought
> Tucson,
>>>>>> passes significantly more West of Heard Island. In this case, the
>>> Greyline
>>>>>> Terminator line is along the 353 deg and 173 deg line.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This suggests the morning propagation may be best at a SP bearing of
>> 173
>>>>>> degrees, not 186 degrees (a 13 deg bearing difference)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Because of the further west Greyline for HEARD, and an indirect
>>>>> propagation
>>>>>> path, this suggests the AM propagation between AZ and HEARD may
>>> currently
>>>>>> not be as good as in the PM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This analysis is based on the greyline prediction websites.. some of
>>>>> which,
>>>>>> may not yield identical results. The link below is easy to use, and
>> will
>>>>>> verify my analysis above. It agreed with several others greyline
>>>>> predictors
>>>>>> I tried.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://academo.org/demos/day-night-terminator/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 73s, and good luck with HEARD!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bill W7EXG
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Wed Apr  6 16:59:12 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 13:59:12 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Terminator Speed at HEARD and DAYLIGHT Propagaion
 Distance of Greyline, after Sunrise
In-Reply-To: <f7xe1s00545oxQM017xfUp>
References: <CAC5FBO-sR+KvH97rV4BVFjJSgZUzO9Vwi+dyatdQpRHQz6dY-g@mail.gmail.com>
	<5701D9B6.5080006@mindspring.com> <01f301d18ef3$9d
	f855f0$d9e901d0$@N6RC.com> <57034DA2.8090407@mindspring.com>
	<00B1CB54DE234C78B9BEC82D3D2A5B6C@OwnerPC>
	<B7E9A2D1190D43A19F90CA0EC947E267@OwnerPC>
	<1E8E9DAD5987490FBB7B07AF0616650D@OwnerPC> <f7xe1s00545oxQM017xfUp>
Message-ID: <570578A0.4070605@cox.net>

I fell asleep:-)

On 4/6/2016 12:57 PM, Wes wrote:
> A suggestion that before getting too wound up about this, a look at 
> this presentation might be "illuminating."
>
> http://wwrof.org/webinar-archive/a-long-overdue-review-of-gray-line-propagation-on-the-low-bands-by-carl-luetzelschwab-k9la/ 
>
>
> On 4/6/2016 9:22 AM, W7EXG (Bill) wrote:
>> The Earth's Terminator Speed at HEARD is 623 mi/hr at -53 deg latitude.
>>
>> Since on 4/5 AZ time, VK0EK's signal was heard 2 hrs and 25 min. AFTER
>> VK0EK's SUNRISE, the GREYLINE daylight propagation path DISTANCE AFTER
>> SUNRISE (distance from Heard to westward moving Terminator) was 1505 
>> miles.
>>   This is an amazing distance, for a 40m signal to propagate in 
>> daylight,
>> just to travel to the actual Greyline boundary [not to mention the 
>> 11,000
>> miles around the world to Tucson].
>>
>> I guess it really doesn't come as a surprise to many,  based on the 
>> Easterly
>> Stations still heard on 40m at Sunrise.
>>
>> To me, all this strongly suggests the D layer is slow to materialize 
>> after
>> sunrise.. It is well known, the D layer quickly dissipates AFTER SUNSET.
>>
>> The reason I find this important for DX chasers, is this data 
>> suggests the
>> actual propagation BAND of the Greyline, appears to be well over a 1000
>> miles on the SUNRISE side of the Earth's visible light terminator.
>>
>> This might have value to some, in planning a GREYLINE DX target 
>> timeframe
>> window.
>>
>> 73s,
>>
>> Bill W7EXG
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Wed Apr  6 19:06:22 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:06:22 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO_Do53Fj+1Y6ti8HqvuqmWHCGdkwedM3AVimDm2Kv7aEw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
	<57055696.9030103@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO_Do53Fj+1Y6ti8HqvuqmWHCGdkwedM3AVimDm2Kv7aEw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5705966E.7010003@triconet.org>

I don't remember any praise when I made the Honor Roll.

I've always operated with the "Just enough" scoring system, as far as bands go 
at least, i.e. 100 on any band is "enough."   Hence, no grand total toward the 
(relatively) new Challenge.  Plus there's that other little handicap; all of my 
Q's were made right here in the core of the Baked Apple.


On 4/6/2016 11:55 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> You become anointed when you reach
> the 3,000 level. Words of praise are
> heaped upon you, etc, etc.
>
> Much like reaching the first rung of the
> Honor Roll.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
>> I must be missing something.  DXCC Challenge requires 1000 confirmed
>> band/countries.  Where does 3,000 come from?
>>
>>


From carlfoster at cactuscomm.net  Wed Apr  6 19:11:14 2016
From: carlfoster at cactuscomm.net (Carl Foster)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 16:11:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA 14.210 at 4:09 MST
Message-ID: <008601d19059$9e776950$db663bf0$@cactuscomm.net>

They were targeting W6 and W7 so we had a chance. 

KB7AZ


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Wed Apr  6 20:08:47 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 17:08:47 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
In-Reply-To: <5705966E.7010003@triconet.org>
References: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
	<57055696.9030103@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO_Do53Fj+1Y6ti8HqvuqmWHCGdkwedM3AVimDm2Kv7aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5705966E.7010003@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO-rpSS3gs3Qa9QwJ5MKvm-BW3raBJ3KVNayfwojTZtrWw@mail.gmail.com>

I received a typed, hand signed, letter
from Don Search, on ARRL Letterhead,
congratulating me on qualifying for the
CW Honor Roll.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I don't remember any praise when I made the Honor Roll.
>
> I've always operated with the "Just enough" scoring system, as far as
> bands go at least, i.e. 100 on any band is "enough."   Hence, no grand
> total toward the (relatively) new Challenge.  Plus there's that other
> little handicap; all of my Q's were made right here in the core of the
> Baked Apple.
>
>
> On 4/6/2016 11:55 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>
>> You become anointed when you reach
>> the 3,000 level. Words of praise are
>> heaped upon you, etc, etc.
>>
>> Much like reaching the first rung of the
>> Honor Roll.
>>
>> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I must be missing something.  DXCC Challenge requires 1000 confirmed
>>> band/countries.  Where does 3,000 come from?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Apr  7 08:16:16 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 05:16:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC Challenge Musings on a Quiet Day
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO-rpSS3gs3Qa9QwJ5MKvm-BW3raBJ3KVNayfwojTZtrWw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d19023$ce0f2850$6a2d78f0$@net>
	<57055696.9030103@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO_Do53Fj+1Y6ti8HqvuqmWHCGdkwedM3AVimDm2Kv7aEw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5705966E.7010003@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO-rpSS3gs3Qa9QwJ5MKvm-BW3raBJ3KVNayfwojTZtrWw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <57064F90.4010205@triconet.org>

Wow.  I bought myself a plaque.

On 4/6/2016 5:08 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> I received a typed, hand signed, letter
> from Don Search, on ARRL Letterhead,
> congratulating me on qualifying for the
> CW Honor Roll.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>


From RSoifer1 at aol.com  Thu Apr  7 10:17:13 2016
From: RSoifer1 at aol.com (RSoifer1 at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 10:17:13 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK 160
Message-ID: <1f7484.3836df02.4437c5e9@aol.com>

He was there at our sunrise this morning but I had no copy.  K7SS  in WA 
got him.
 
73 Ray W2RS

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Apr  7 17:09:17 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:09:17 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK
Message-ID: <5706CC7D.1070806@triconet.org>

If you haven't worked them yet and you're not following the news, here is the 
latest.


       We will identify some of our operating positions as ?ATNO Stations? that 
will be specifically asking for ATNO contacts or new mode contacts during the 
upcoming weekend (Heard Island time). Please only call these stations if a QSO 
with Heard Island gives you an All-Time New One or a new mode. Watch the message 
box in DXA for instructions and information.  We will post information regularly 
on bands / modes where the ATNO stations are operating.
                Weather-permitting, we will extend our stay, with the final day 
of radio operation being 11th April and departure on the 12th.


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Thu Apr  7 17:39:10 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 14:39:10 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK
In-Reply-To: <5706CC7D.1070806@triconet.org>
References: <5706CC7D.1070806@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO-9=redM=za6uMDEbQ3Hu532ok_-9Z6cfkZvpz+=b=8iQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon the pun, but I would be happy to
have just Heard Heard !!

At those signal levels, RTTY would be
near impossible.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> If you haven't worked them yet and you're not following the news, here is
> the latest.
>
>
>       We will identify some of our operating positions as ?ATNO Stations?
> that will be specifically asking for ATNO contacts or new mode contacts
> during the upcoming weekend (Heard Island time). Please only call these
> stations if a QSO with Heard Island gives you an All-Time New One or a new
> mode. Watch the message box in DXA for instructions and information.  We
> will post information regularly on bands / modes where the ATNO stations
> are operating.
>                Weather-permitting, we will extend our stay, with the final
> day of radio operation being 11th April and departure on the 12th.
>
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From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Thu Apr  7 18:00:47 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 22:00:47 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK
In-Reply-To: <fZfH1s00J45oxQM01ZfJP2>
References: <5706CC7D.1070806@triconet.org> <fZfH1s00J45oxQM01ZfJP2>
Message-ID: <5706D88F.5060605@cox.net>

     Hear! Hear!

     Maybe we can call it Unheard Island?

KF7E

On 4/7/2016 9:39 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> Pardon the pun, but I would be happy to
> have just Heard Heard !!
>
> At those signal levels, RTTY would be
> near impossible.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 2:09 PM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>
>> If you haven't worked them yet and you're not following the news, here is
>> the latest.
>>
>>
>>        We will identify some of our operating positions as ?ATNO Stations?
>> that will be specifically asking for ATNO contacts or new mode contacts
>> during the upcoming weekend (Heard Island time). Please only call these
>> stations if a QSO with Heard Island gives you an All-Time New One or a new
>> mode. Watch the message box in DXA for instructions and information.  We
>> will post information regularly on bands / modes where the ATNO stations
>> are operating.
>>                 Weather-permitting, we will extend our stay, with the final
>> day of radio operation being 11th April and departure on the 12th.
>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Thu Apr  7 18:51:14 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 15:51:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO-9=redM=za6uMDEbQ3Hu532ok_-9Z6cfkZvpz+=b=8iQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5706CC7D.1070806@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO-9=redM=za6uMDEbQ3Hu532ok_-9Z6cfkZvpz+=b=8iQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5706E462.6030306@triconet.org>

They haven't operated much RTTY and I sure haven't heard them on that mode.  I 
did get them on four slots, the first being an ATNO, the next three done in 30 
minutes.  Go figure.

After all of the hype, which I heard personally at CADXA right from the horse's 
(KK6EK) mouth, it's been really disappointing. The promised second station at a 
location favorable to us in the SW never materialized. And so on and so 
forth...gripe gripe.  But as a contributor I did get almost instant 
gratification via LoTW.

I've also thought about the logistics of getting there.  I've been on a couple 
of pleasure cruises on ships of 700 and 3,000 passengers.  In each case, just 
not setting foot on land for a day, when there were restaurants, bars, movies; 
libraries, hot tubs, pools, Internet and at least in the Caribbean, Bikini-clad 
ladies to enjoy, was not particularly pleasant.  For these guys to have spent 
the time they did rocking and rolling in a small boat doing 10 knots to put this 
place on the air is a tribute to them, IMHO.


On 4/7/2016 2:39 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> Pardon the pun, but I would be happy to
> have just Heard Heard !!
>
> At those signal levels, RTTY would be
> near impossible.
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
>


From W7EXG at q.com  Thu Apr  7 22:58:16 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 19:58:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK0EK 7090kHz working 7190+ kHz  0255Z
In-Reply-To: <1f7484.3836df02.4437c5e9@aol.com>
References: <1f7484.3836df02.4437c5e9@aol.com>
Message-ID: <A87138A93A2247D9A1A09C626C6FD83C@OwnerPC>

Many US Stations being worked on 40m --See below.

Cannot hear him at ALL on 7090 kHz. LP/SP (Big pile up on 7190)

These East Coast Stations are NOW working VK0EK, who is NOW in DAYLIGHT,
about 1200 mi from the Visible Terminator, 2 hours after SUNRISE. Going to
see how long (and how far away for terminator) this 40m propagation
continues.  

Hope to Hear Heard SOON on 7190 kHz??

73s, Bill W7EXG

Recently worked below
K2ERG
RX3DTN
KC1CWF
K8RYU
KN9K
K8MZ
N0AV
N0AV
K1VC
K4RG
WB4CTX
N9NS
K2CBI
KA1R
W8FJ
K3SGE
N0EDZ
K9IMM
N3VA
AB3AH
N5CR
K8TSD
WA2ETU
KK9DX
N1DG
VE3RA
K0BS
K6DTT



From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 00:19:25 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 21:19:25 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 9M0O on 18.069
Message-ID: <5707314D.5060200@mindspring.com>

Simplex.  If you're rotatable, he's strongest at 330 degrees, which 
isn't exactly a straight path to the Spratley Is.

My first DX with my new 12M/17M yagi.

GL,  Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 19:43:04 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 16:43:04 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA on 14.037
Message-ID: <57084208.9050407@mindspring.com>

Very strong signal, 599+.  He's listening around 14.051.

GL, Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 21:33:11 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:33:11 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA ON 10.119
Message-ID: <57085BD7.6090206@mindspring.com>

Just started calling CQ.  Small pileup.  QSX 10.120.

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 21:54:22 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 18:54:22 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 4W/JQ2GYU on 28.405
Message-ID: <570860CE.1080105@mindspring.com>

QSX 28.405.

GL,  Jim W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 22:00:01 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:00:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 4W/JQ2GYU on 28.405
In-Reply-To: <570860CE.1080105@mindspring.com>
References: <570860CE.1080105@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <57086221.9090807@mindspring.com>

Correction: his transmit frequency is 28.415.  Listening down on 28.405.

On 4/8/2016 6:54 PM, Jim W wrote:
> QSX 28.405.
>
> GL,  Jim W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 22:18:17 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:18:17 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 4W/7K4QOK on 24.920 RTTY
Message-ID: <57086669.6010203@mindspring.com>

I don't do RTTY but for those of you who do, this station is 589 with 
QSB from East Timor.  I hear him best at 305 degrees.

GL,  Jim W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr  8 22:26:54 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:26:54 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FK8CE on 18.076
Message-ID: <5708686E.10908@mindspring.com>

CQing.  Simplex. 589 with QSB.

Jim  W9FI

From W7EXG at q.com  Fri Apr  8 22:51:17 2016
From: W7EXG at q.com (W7EXG (Bill))
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 19:51:17 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] VK3EK on 14.035 @0247Z
In-Reply-To: <57084208.9050407@mindspring.com>
References: <57084208.9050407@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <27B3912E45E94226A37015BBD492160C@OwnerPC>

Calling  CQ NA on 14035 kHz, 0247Z, all alone. -- S3 SP. Very Workable.  

73s, Bill W7EXG

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 4:43 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA on 14.037

Very strong signal, 599+.  He's listening around 14.051.

GL, Jim  W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr  9 22:05:59 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:05:59 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA on 7.019
Message-ID: <5709B507.3090805@mindspring.com>

589 with QSB.  Very workable.  QSX 7.024.3.

GL,  Jim  W9FI

From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Sat Apr  9 22:11:00 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 02:11:00 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] FT4JA on 7.019
In-Reply-To: <5709B507.3090805@mindspring.com>
References: <5709B507.3090805@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5709B634.1050903@cox.net>

     Yes, sigs peaking well. Worked at 01:59, I think, as the Zombie 
Jamboree was profuse....

     Will see when the log is updated.

     They were also good on 20m about 2300Z, I spent 40 minutes in my 
Jeep trying until sigs dropped.

KF7E

On 4/10/2016 2:05 AM, Jim W wrote:
> 589 with QSB.  Very workable.  QSX 7.024.3.
>
> GL,  Jim  W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr  9 22:35:45 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 19:35:45 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 17 Meter opening to Japan
Message-ID: <5709BC01.5020202@mindspring.com>

The band is open to Japan, with many stations copyable on both SSB and 
CW.  The club's email server seems to be stuck at the moment, so you 
should be aware that I sent this message at 0234 Z.

73, Jim  W9FI


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 10 01:36:19 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2016 22:36:19 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Gonna take a sentimental journey
Message-ID: <5709E653.40904@triconet.org>

I know there are a lot of airplane buffs in the club so this might be of interest.

Sometime around 1940 or early 1941 my parents left Tucson and moved to San 
Diego, where I was born just before the outbreak of WWII. My dad had a job as a 
machinist at Consolidated Aircraft Co, the designer/builder of the B-24 bomber. 
At the conclusion of the war, the job was gone and we moved back to Tucson, 
where I have lived since then.

Barring unforeseen events, tomorrow Annette and I will fly in the last airworthy 
B-24. Although my dad did learn to fly light planes in 1946 at the Benson 
airport, I'm pretty sure he never got to fly in one of the planes like he helped 
build. (This one was actually built in Ft. Worth)

Sorry, no /AM operation planned.

Wes  N7WS

From jdwothe at cox.net  Sun Apr 10 09:31:26 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 06:31:26 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Gonna take a sentimental journey
In-Reply-To: <gVcq1s00N45oxQM01Vcs3P>
References: <gVcq1s00N45oxQM01Vcs3P>
Message-ID: <570A55AE.7060204@cox.net>

Wes:

I could see you looking out the window as you flew by yesterday. We were 
at at the Marana Bluegrass Festival and the B-17, the 25 and 24  
including the P-51 all flew by. I hope you had fun.

Jerry
W6XI

On 4/9/2016 10:36 PM, Wes wrote:
> I know there are a lot of airplane buffs in the club so this might be 
> of interest.
>
> Sometime around 1940 or early 1941 my parents left Tucson and moved to 
> San Diego, where I was born just before the outbreak of WWII. My dad 
> had a job as a machinist at Consolidated Aircraft Co, the 
> designer/builder of the B-24 bomber. At the conclusion of the war, the 
> job was gone and we moved back to Tucson, where I have lived since then.
>
> Barring unforeseen events, tomorrow Annette and I will fly in the last 
> airworthy B-24. Although my dad did learn to fly light planes in 1946 
> at the Benson airport, I'm pretty sure he never got to fly in one of 
> the planes like he helped build. (This one was actually built in Ft. 
> Worth)
>
> Sorry, no /AM operation planned.
>
> Wes  N7WS
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 10 17:19:33 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 14:19:33 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Gonna take a sentimental journey
In-Reply-To: <570A7AD9.1020600@cox.net>
References: <gVcq1s00N45oxQM01Vcr3J> <570A7AD9.1020600@cox.net>
Message-ID: <570AC365.2090208@triconet.org>

HI Jim,

That is by chance the one!

The flight was a ball.  The WX here cooperated; we were up in the clear but 
could see some rain in the distance.  We were aft of the bomb bays next to the 
side gun mounts and got to hang out the ports once airborne.  We had first class 
seating for take off and landing; flat on the deck below the guns:-)

I did meet and talk to some WWII vets, one flew in B-24s and two of them were 
gunners in B-17s, one up, one down, 32 and 35 missions over Germany 
respectively. These guys are exceptional and very sharp for 90+.  One of them 
drove himself to the event.

There was also a P-51 two-seater there that one guy spent $2,220 to ride in for 
a half hour.  He was a pilot and got to take the controls and get some flight 
time in his log.  I'm not, but I was still tempted, but figured it would be a 
waste by not being a pilot.  The only things I've ever been in control of are 
some old Taylorcrafts and a Grob Twin sailplane.

Congrats on the work on the old warbirds.

Wes

On 4/10/2016 9:10 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> Hey Wes:
>
>     Would that by chance be 'Witchcraft' of the Collings Foundation?
>
>     I have been in that one, but not flown in it.
>
>     A few years ago they were up here, and one year i got a ride on the B-17 
> after helping them with minor restoration work on their radio position.
>
>     Also did some similar on their B25.
>
>     And another group had the B29 Fifi here, and I opted for a (very 
> expensive) ride in that one. But it was worth it.
>
>     The best reward, however, came from an old WW2 B25 veteran who came thru 
> the plane just after I had secured a genuine WW2 J36 hand key to the desk. I 
> had done a fair amount of research and located what I hoped for was exactly 
> the correct model of key for that airplane.
>
>     I asked him if he recalled how the radio position appeared in his day, and 
> if the key was 'right'.
>
>     After a pause, he said: "That is exactly what we had."
>
>     The rides were all fun, but seeing the misty eyes of all the Old Timer 
> Vets that came through, remembering their friends lost in combat so many years 
> ago, brought real value to these flying museum pieces. I am glad i have had 
> the good fortune to have been in all 3 of those, and to have been able to make 
> even a small contribution to keeping them acccurate.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/10/2016 5:36 AM, Wes wrote:
>> I know there are a lot of airplane buffs in the club so this might be of 
>> interest.
>>
>> Sometime around 1940 or early 1941 my parents left Tucson and moved to San 
>> Diego, where I was born just before the outbreak of WWII. My dad had a job as 
>> a machinist at Consolidated Aircraft Co, the designer/builder of the B-24 
>> bomber. At the conclusion of the war, the job was gone and we moved back to 
>> Tucson, where I have lived since then.
>>
>> Barring unforeseen events, tomorrow Annette and I will fly in the last 
>> airworthy B-24. Although my dad did learn to fly light planes in 1946 at the 
>> Benson airport, I'm pretty sure he never got to fly in one of the planes like 
>> he helped build. (This one was actually built in Ft. Worth)
>>
>> Sorry, no /AM operation
>> Wes  N7WS
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From MikeZW0LTL at aol.com  Sun Apr 10 17:57:19 2016
From: MikeZW0LTL at aol.com (MikeZW0LTL at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2016 17:57:19 -0400
Subject: [SADXA] Gonna take a sentimental journey
Message-ID: <569e3c.11c12ae8.443c263e@aol.com>

Years ago, at EAA Oshkosh, B-29 Fifi  had a radio problem just before  the 
afternoon air show. Collins had donated sdome radios so they came to our  
booth, and Joe Dominquez and I went down there and found a bad PTT switch, got 
 them going and got a ride!
Mmike
 
 
In a message dated 4/10/2016 2:31:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
wes_n7ws at triconet.org writes:

HI  Jim,

That is by chance the one!

The flight was a ball.  The  WX here cooperated; we were up in the clear 
but 
could see some rain in the  distance.  We were aft of the bomb bays next to 
the 
side gun mounts  and got to hang out the ports once airborne.  We had first 
class  
seating for take off and landing; flat on the deck below the  guns:-)

I did meet and talk to some WWII vets, one flew in B-24s and  two of them 
were 
gunners in B-17s, one up, one down, 32 and 35 missions  over Germany 
respectively. These guys are exceptional and very sharp for  90+.  One of 
them 
drove himself to the event.

There was also a  P-51 two-seater there that one guy spent $2,220 to ride 
in for 
a half  hour.  He was a pilot and got to take the controls and get some 
flight  
time in his log.  I'm not, but I was still tempted, but figured it  would 
be a 
waste by not being a pilot.  The only things I've ever  been in control of 
are 
some old Taylorcrafts and a Grob Twin  sailplane.

Congrats on the work on the old  warbirds.

Wes

On 4/10/2016 9:10 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
>  Hey Wes:
>
>     Would that by chance be  'Witchcraft' of the Collings Foundation?
>
>     I  have been in that one, but not flown in it.
>
>      A few years ago they were up here, and one year i got a ride on the 
B-17  
> after helping them with minor restoration work on their radio  position.
>
>     Also did some similar on their  B25.
>
>     And another group had the B29 Fifi  here, and I opted for a (very 
> expensive) ride in that one. But it was  worth it.
>
>     The best reward, however, came  from an old WW2 B25 veteran who came 
thru 
> the plane just after I had  secured a genuine WW2 J36 hand key to the 
desk. I 
> had done a fair  amount of research and located what I hoped for was 
exactly 
> the  correct model of key for that airplane.
>
>     I  asked him if he recalled how the radio position appeared in his 
day, and  
> if the key was 'right'.
>
>     After a  pause, he said: "That is exactly what we had."
>
>   The rides were all fun, but seeing the misty eyes of all the Old  Timer 
> Vets that came through, remembering their friends lost in  combat so many 
years 
> ago, brought real value to these flying museum  pieces. I am glad i have 
had 
> the good fortune to have been in all 3  of those, and to have been able 
to make 
> even a small contribution to  keeping them acccurate.
>
>  Jim
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 4/10/2016 5:36  AM, Wes wrote:
>> I know there are a lot of airplane buffs in the  club so this might be 
of 
>> interest.
>>
>>  Sometime around 1940 or early 1941 my parents left Tucson and moved to 
San  
>> Diego, where I was born just before the outbreak of WWII. My dad  had a 
job as 
>> a machinist at Consolidated Aircraft Co, the  designer/builder of the 
B-24 
>> bomber. At the conclusion of the  war, the job was gone and we moved 
back to 
>> Tucson, where I have  lived since then.
>>
>> Barring unforeseen events, tomorrow  Annette and I will fly in the last 
>> airworthy B-24. Although my  dad did learn to fly light planes in 1946 
at the 
>> Benson airport,  I'm pretty sure he never got to fly in one of the 
planes like 
>> he  helped build. (This one was actually built in Ft.  Worth)
>>
>> Sorry, no /AM operation
>> Wes   N7WS
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>>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 11 22:53:03 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 19:53:03 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] SADXA audiovisual system
Message-ID: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>

Today I made some minor wiring improvements, and then configured and 
tested the club's audiovisual system.  The "new" laptop computer that 
Dick W1KSZ donated works perfectly with our setup, and everything is 
ready to go for this month's meeting.  (Wes, I'll still need you to 
bring the projector screen to the meeting, since it's too big for my car 
to carry it.)

I do need one piece of protective equipment, however.  Does anyone have 
an old laptop computer carrying case that they can donate to the club?  
This laptop's dimensions are approximately 13 1/2" wide x 10 1/2" deep x 
1 1/2" high.  Whatever you have in this area would be appreciated.

Thanks and 73,  Jim  W9FI


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Mon Apr 11 23:08:11 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:08:11 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] SADXA audiovisual system
In-Reply-To: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>
References: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9CNq68qihi6t2TyBJRj6wM9LVorYFLsdJkXyFmEotAwA@mail.gmail.com>

I have a case (from Trails End) that
is about 16" X 13" X 2". If nothing
else comes closer, I'll bring it to the
next meeting.

73. Dick, W1KSZ

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Today I made some minor wiring improvements, and then configured and
> tested the club's audiovisual system.  The "new" laptop computer that Dick
> W1KSZ donated works perfectly with our setup, and everything is ready to go
> for this month's meeting.  (Wes, I'll still need you to bring the projector
> screen to the meeting, since it's too big for my car to carry it.)
>
> I do need one piece of protective equipment, however.  Does anyone have an
> old laptop computer carrying case that they can donate to the club?  This
> laptop's dimensions are approximately 13 1/2" wide x 10 1/2" deep x 1 1/2"
> high.  Whatever you have in this area would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks and 73,  Jim  W9FI
>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 11 23:34:23 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 20:34:23 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] SADXA audiovisual system
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO9CNq68qihi6t2TyBJRj6wM9LVorYFLsdJkXyFmEotAwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>
	<CAC5FBO9CNq68qihi6t2TyBJRj6wM9LVorYFLsdJkXyFmEotAwA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <570C6CBF.10408@mindspring.com>

That's a good start.  I'm looking more for padding protection than an 
exact fit.  I've got some bubble wrap and packing tape, so I can 
probably make your case work. And if somebody has a better-fitting case, 
I'm sure we'll hear about it.  Thanks, Dick.

Jim

On 4/11/2016 8:08 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> I have a case (from Trails End) that
> is about 16" X 13" X 2". If nothing
> else comes closer, I'll bring it to the
> next meeting.
>
> 73. Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>> Today I made some minor wiring improvements, and then configured and
>> tested the club's audiovisual system.  The "new" laptop computer that Dick
>> W1KSZ donated works perfectly with our setup, and everything is ready to go
>> for this month's meeting.  (Wes, I'll still need you to bring the projector
>> screen to the meeting, since it's too big for my car to carry it.)
>>
>> I do need one piece of protective equipment, however.  Does anyone have an
>> old laptop computer carrying case that they can donate to the club?  This
>> laptop's dimensions are approximately 13 1/2" wide x 10 1/2" deep x 1 1/2"
>> high.  Whatever you have in this area would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks and 73,  Jim  W9FI
>>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Tue Apr 12 08:55:51 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 05:55:51 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] SADXA audiovisual system
In-Reply-To: <hFag1s00B45oxQM01Fahos>
References: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>
	<CAC5FBO9CNq68qihi6t2TyBJRj6wM9LVorYFLsdJkXyFmEotAwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<hFag1s00B45oxQM01Fahos>
Message-ID: <570CF057.4000301@cox.net>

I have one also that has the dimensions you mention that has lots of 
padding and space for other stuff. I will try to remember to bring it to 
the next radio club meeting  and we can do a fit check if you wish.

Jerry

On 4/11/2016 8:34 PM, Jim W wrote:
> That's a good start.  I'm looking more for padding protection than an 
> exact fit.  I've got some bubble wrap and packing tape, so I can 
> probably make your case work. And if somebody has a better-fitting 
> case, I'm sure we'll hear about it.  Thanks, Dick.
>
> Jim
>
> On 4/11/2016 8:08 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>> I have a case (from Trails End) that
>> is about 16" X 13" X 2". If nothing
>> else comes closer, I'll bring it to the
>> next meeting.
>>
>> 73. Dick, W1KSZ
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today I made some minor wiring improvements, and then configured and
>>> tested the club's audiovisual system.  The "new" laptop computer 
>>> that Dick
>>> W1KSZ donated works perfectly with our setup, and everything is 
>>> ready to go
>>> for this month's meeting.  (Wes, I'll still need you to bring the 
>>> projector
>>> screen to the meeting, since it's too big for my car to carry it.)
>>>
>>> I do need one piece of protective equipment, however.  Does anyone 
>>> have an
>>> old laptop computer carrying case that they can donate to the club?  
>>> This
>>> laptop's dimensions are approximately 13 1/2" wide x 10 1/2" deep x 
>>> 1 1/2"
>>> high.  Whatever you have in this area would be appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks and 73,  Jim  W9FI
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 12 10:28:33 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 07:28:33 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] SADXA audiovisual system
In-Reply-To: <570CF057.4000301@cox.net>
References: <570C630F.8020207@mindspring.com>
	<CAC5FBO9CNq68qihi6t2TyBJRj6wM9LVorYFLsdJkXyFmEotAwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<hFag1s00B45oxQM01Fahos> <570CF057.4000301@cox.net>
Message-ID: <570D0611.7020707@mindspring.com>

Thanks, Jerry, that's exactly what's needed.  Right now I'm moving the 
laptop around in its shipping carton.  The computer is safe but it's 
kind of a bulky package to move around.

Jim

On 4/12/2016 5:55 AM, Jerry wrote:
> I have one also that has the dimensions you mention that has lots of 
> padding and space for other stuff. I will try to remember to bring it 
> to the next radio club meeting  and we can do a fit check if you wish.
>
> Jerry
>
> On 4/11/2016 8:34 PM, Jim W wrote:
>> That's a good start.  I'm looking more for padding protection than an 
>> exact fit.  I've got some bubble wrap and packing tape, so I can 
>> probably make your case work. And if somebody has a better-fitting 
>> case, I'm sure we'll hear about it.  Thanks, Dick.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On 4/11/2016 8:08 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
>>> I have a case (from Trails End) that
>>> is about 16" X 13" X 2". If nothing
>>> else comes closer, I'll bring it to the
>>> next meeting.
>>>
>>> 73. Dick, W1KSZ
>>>
>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 7:53 PM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today I made some minor wiring improvements, and then configured and
>>>> tested the club's audiovisual system.  The "new" laptop computer 
>>>> that Dick
>>>> W1KSZ donated works perfectly with our setup, and everything is 
>>>> ready to go
>>>> for this month's meeting.  (Wes, I'll still need you to bring the 
>>>> projector
>>>> screen to the meeting, since it's too big for my car to carry it.)
>>>>
>>>> I do need one piece of protective equipment, however.  Does anyone 
>>>> have an
>>>> old laptop computer carrying case that they can donate to the 
>>>> club?  This
>>>> laptop's dimensions are approximately 13 1/2" wide x 10 1/2" deep x 
>>>> 1 1/2"
>>>> high.  Whatever you have in this area would be appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and 73,  Jim  W9FI
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Wed Apr 13 22:13:03 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 19:13:03 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] A25UK on 14.195.0
Message-ID: <570EFCAF.4030403@mindspring.com>






































He's very, very weak but workable.  Listening up 10 with no pileup. My 
best reception is at 70 degrees.

GL, Jim W9FI














From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 14 02:02:02 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:02:02 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Computer case is in hand
Message-ID: <570F325A.5090808@mindspring.com>

Thanks to Jerry, W6XI, the audiovisual computer now has a protective 
case.  So if you were looking around for one to donate, thanks but you 
can stop the search.

Jim  W9FI

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Apr 16 19:43:14 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 16:43:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DX Spots
Message-ID: <5712CE12.4000403@triconet.org>

A25UK worked 2322Z 14195 down 14190.  No strong but one call.

T88UW worked 2328Z 18093 simplex

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 17 21:19:29 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2016 18:19:29 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DX Spot
Message-ID: <57143621.6070308@triconet.org>

KH8/KC0W  18076 up 1.  Wkd @ 0045Z  still there @0118Z

A25UK 10112 up (10115.5) Wkd @0108  Hears really well.

From wd7f at wd7f.com  Mon Apr 18 14:33:29 2016
From: wd7f at wd7f.com (WD7F - John)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:33:29 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] USS Hormet
Message-ID: <007b01d199a0$cd977f90$68c67eb0$@wd7f.com>

Just for fun looking for anyone.. 14.038.no takers.


de WD7F

 


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 18 14:43:07 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 11:43:07 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] My impressions of Visalia 2016
Message-ID: <57152ABB.8070008@mindspring.com>

Carl (KB7AZ), Bill (K6SWC), and I spent the weekend at the 2016 Visalia 
International DX Convention.  Most of us know that Carl is a pilot: this 
trip was made possible by Carl's decision to fly to the Convention in 
his plane.  We shared the fuel expenses and that made the trip much more 
affordable for each of us.  None of us had been there before and the 
first thing we all noticed was the friendliness of the attendees.  The 
people at Visalia 2016 typically were very gracious.

At the meetings I was able to associate faces with calls among those 
with whom I have exchanged signal reports over the years.  There were 
groups who came in from Germany, Sweden, Mexico, Canada and other 
places.  The majority of the Americans came from California, which is to 
be expected.  I had a chance to meet and talk with members of the CADXA 
and the Arizona Outlaws Contest clubs.  Nice folks.  I also met a few 
celebrities like Bob Heil (K9EID) and the some of the HamNation crew.  I 
particularly enjoyed my conversations with Bengt (SM5ALJ).

Most of the major tower, accessory, and radio manufacturers were out in 
force, displaying their wares and taking orders.  Kenwood was noticable 
by their absence.  DX Engineering was not there as a vendor, but their 
owner was a conference attendee.  He dropped off a small stack of 
"Hamfest Special" discount coupons on one of the tables.  They're good 
for a one-time discount of 20% off on a $100+ order, and expire on 
5/31/2016.  I picked up a small number of them and will bring them to 
this Thursday's monthly meeting.  See me if you want one.  First come, 
first served until they run out.

There were many good presentations on DXing, DXpeditions, contesting, 
Software Defined Radios, RFI remediation, learning how to tweak your 
audio chain for best signal intelligibility (demonstrated by Bob Heil), 
etc.  I was particularly impressed with how the latest and greatest 
high-end FlexRadio could be run as a one-box SO2R contest station.  
Maybe when they start turning up on the used-equipment market in a 
couple of years I'll be able to afford one.  Several times I wanted to 
be different presentations that were being held in the same time slot: 
Visalia 2016 thereby met my criterion for a high-quality convention.  
There were some substandard aspects to the conference experience, however.

Unlike last year's convention there were no conference attendee 
nametags, so everyone had to provide their own ID.  Hamfest callsign 
tags were in abundance, although I didn't bring one since I didn't think 
I'd need it.  A bad assumption on my part.  This year there were no 
shuttle buses, so those who were staying at other hotels than the 
Mariott (i.e., a great many of those present) had to provide for their 
own ground transportation.  The first day the three of us went back and 
forth from the conference center and our hotel by using taxis, which 
were expensive.  Carll, Bill, and I got good at hustling for rides from 
those who had their own cars (our thanks went to K0XG and K6CEL for 
their help).  But we still paid over forty bucks in cab fares.

The Southern California DX Club ran this year's conference.  Perhaps the 
shuttle buses and name tags will be back next year, when the Northern 
California DX Club runs Visalia 2017.  My overall evaluation is that 
this year's conference content was excellent. However the conference 
logistics are in need of some improvement.

So that was Visalia 2016 from a newbee's perspective.  Would I return 
again?  Yes, I would.  First to see the differences between the Southern 
California-run and Northern California-run versions. But more 
importantly, to get a better sense of how DXing is improving over time, 
and to meet and learn from my fellow DXers.

73,  Jim  W9FI


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Mon Apr 18 15:01:58 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 12:01:58 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] USS Hormet
In-Reply-To: <007b01d199a0$cd977f90$68c67eb0$@wd7f.com>
References: <007b01d199a0$cd977f90$68c67eb0$@wd7f.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9rxb5OrjzqVS8Zv3oCvrU33pRAvoKwCoNPTcimxDmgbw@mail.gmail.com>

Hormet ???

Hi Hi
On Apr 18, 2016 11:33 AM, "WD7F - John" <wd7f at wd7f.com> wrote:

> Just for fun looking for anyone.. 14.038.no takers.
>
>
> de WD7F
>
>
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From wd7f at wd7f.com  Mon Apr 18 16:18:54 2016
From: wd7f at wd7f.com (WD7F - John)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 13:18:54 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] USS Hormet
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO9rxb5OrjzqVS8Zv3oCvrU33pRAvoKwCoNPTcimxDmgbw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007b01d199a0$cd977f90$68c67eb0$@wd7f.com>
	<CAC5FBO9rxb5OrjzqVS8Zv3oCvrU33pRAvoKwCoNPTcimxDmgbw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d199af$87dd7860$97986920$@wd7f.com>

Of course...the USS Hormet....not to be confused with the USS Hornet.


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:02 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] USS Hormet

Hormet ???

Hi Hi
On Apr 18, 2016 11:33 AM, "WD7F - John" <wd7f at wd7f.com> wrote:

> Just for fun looking for anyone.. 14.038.no takers.
>
>
> de WD7F
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Apr 18 18:33:08 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 15:33:08 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC update
Message-ID: <571560A4.7020407@triconet.org>

I submitted an online DXCC application yesterday.  I had 50 LoTW confirmed QSOs 
and wanted them applied to my DXCC.  I checked earlier today and they are 
already credited to my account!

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 18 19:10:03 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:10:03 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC update
In-Reply-To: <571560A4.7020407@triconet.org>
References: <571560A4.7020407@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <5715694B.9070302@mindspring.com>

That's good news in more than one area.  First, congratulations to you.  
This is a successful conclusion to some hard work.  Second, that's fast 
work on the DXCC Desk's part.  They get a pat on the back as well.

Jim  W9FI

On 4/18/2016 3:33 PM, Wes wrote:
> I submitted an online DXCC application yesterday.  I had 50 LoTW 
> confirmed QSOs and wanted them applied to my DXCC.  I checked earlier 
> today and they are already credited to my account!
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Apr 18 19:23:16 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 16:23:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DXCC update
In-Reply-To: <5715694B.9070302@mindspring.com>
References: <571560A4.7020407@triconet.org> <5715694B.9070302@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <57156C64.3020008@triconet.org>

Thanks.  One of those was a new one (Heard), #337 on the new downsized entities 
list.  Now if they would just delete the Monk we would be getting somewhere.

I was a donor to the Heard expedition (as well as some others) so the 
confirmation from them was very quick.

On 4/18/2016 4:10 PM, Jim W wrote:
> That's good news in more than one area.  First, congratulations to you. This 
> is a successful conclusion to some hard work.  Second, that's fast work on the 
> DXCC Desk's part.  They get a pat on the back as well.
>
> Jim  W9FI
>
> On 4/18/2016 3:33 PM, Wes wrote:
>> I submitted an online DXCC application yesterday.  I had 50 LoTW confirmed 
>> QSOs and wanted them applied to my DXCC.  I checked earlier today and they 
>> are already credited to my account!


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 18 22:17:05 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 19:17:05 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Change of topic for Thursday's presentation
Message-ID: <57159521.6070108@mindspring.com>

Due to popular demand and it being a current event, */there will be a 
change of topic /*for Thursday's monthly meeting.

Carl KB7AZ, Bill K6SWC, and I will give our impressions of last 
weekend's Visalia International DX Conference.  Bill took several 
pictures which will be shown.  There also is some gossip to share about 
a possible new DXPedition which might prove to be of interest to you.  
We were given some hints by an active DXPeditioner with whom we talked.  
I'll cast the runes and interpret the results at Thursday's meeting.

Depending upon available time, the originally-scheduled DXPedition DVD 
may be played.  If we use up too much time (or too much of our audience) 
it will be shown in June, since May's agenda is locked in place.  That 
event promises to be something special, as Ned AA7A will be our guest 
speaker.  He will have a multimedia presentation of his experiences at 
the two recent VP8 DXPeditions.

See you Thursday evening at Mimi's Cafe?

Jim  W9FI

From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Mon Apr 18 22:37:05 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 02:37:05 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] USS Hormet
In-Reply-To: <000c01d199af$87dd7860$97986920$@wd7f.com>
References: <007b01d199a0$cd977f90$68c67eb0$@wd7f.com>
	<CAC5FBO9rxb5OrjzqVS8Zv3oCvrU33pRAvoKwCoNPTcimxDmgbw@mail.gmail.com>
	<000c01d199af$87dd7860$97986920$@wd7f.com>
Message-ID: <571599D1.6090205@cox.net>

       And then there is the long forgotten USS Hormel. The first ship 
to serve Spam for a meal.

     It vanished mysteriously soon after, somewhere near the Sandwich 
Islands.....

;-)

KF7E



On 4/18/2016 8:18 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
> Of course...the USS Hormet....not to be confused with the USS Hornet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Solomon
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:02 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] USS Hormet
>
> Hormet ???
>
> Hi Hi
> On Apr 18, 2016 11:33 AM, "WD7F - John" <wd7f at wd7f.com> wrote:
>
>> Just for fun looking for anyone.. 14.038.no takers.
>>
>>
>> de WD7F
>>
>>
>>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 19 00:21:46 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2016 21:21:46 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A on 10.119
Message-ID: <5715B25A.3020307@mindspring.com>

Weak but workable.  QSX 10.119.8.

GL & 73, Jim  W9FI

From n7bxx at q.com  Tue Apr 19 02:12:44 2016
From: n7bxx at q.com (Gail N7BXX)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 02:12:44 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [SADXA] USS Hormet
In-Reply-To: <571599D1.6090205@cox.net>
Message-ID: <2029645356.621154.1461046364593.JavaMail.root@md36.quartz.synacor.com>

SICK.....

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim KF7E" <jim_kf7e at cox.net>
To: "Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 7:37:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SADXA] USS Hormet

       And then there is the long forgotten USS Hormel. The first ship 
to serve Spam for a meal.

     It vanished mysteriously soon after, somewhere near the Sandwich 
Islands.....

;-)

KF7E



On 4/18/2016 8:18 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
> Of course...the USS Hormet....not to be confused with the USS Hornet.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Solomon
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2016 12:02 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] USS Hormet
>
> Hormet ???
>
> Hi Hi
> On Apr 18, 2016 11:33 AM, "WD7F - John" <wd7f at wd7f.com> wrote:
>
>> Just for fun looking for anyone.. 14.038.no takers.
>>
>>
>> de WD7F
>>
>>
>>
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From w7key at mac.com  Tue Apr 19 05:07:24 2016
From: w7key at mac.com (drdowning)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 02:07:24 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A on 10.119
In-Reply-To: <5715B25A.3020307@mindspring.com>
References: <5715B25A.3020307@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <36CB66B9-6341-4289-A895-FFCF04357705@mac.com>

Injured sciatica lifting hytower. Now in deeper health jam. Then front veneer  tooth fell off. Anyone you know who will glue it back? Darn dentist who messed up my implant put these
Vaneer teeth on  

Ted Downing
www.TedDowning.com


> On Apr 18, 2016, at 9:21 PM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> 
> Weak but workable.  QSX 10.119.8.
> 
> GL & 73, Jim  W9FI
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Apr 19 16:33:01 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:33:01 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A 14190 up 5 to 10
Message-ID: <571695FD.6080709@triconet.org>

Not booming but good sig.

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Apr 19 16:41:20 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 13:41:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
Message-ID: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org>

https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 19 17:50:52 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 14:50:52 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>

Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a sport 
coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.

  :-)

Jim  W9FI

On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Tue Apr 19 19:22:00 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 16:22:00 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <5716BD98.8030006@triconet.org>

That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at a ham 
convention?

On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a sport coat 
> and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>
>  :-)
>
> Jim  W9FI
>
> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 19 20:19:09 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:19:09 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <5716BD98.8030006@triconet.org>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
	<5716BD98.8030006@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <5716CAFD.9040303@mindspring.com>

He's probably been associated with too many Brits in the past.

On 4/19/2016 4:22 PM, Wes wrote:
> That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at 
> a ham convention?
>
> On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a 
>> sport coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>>
>>  :-)
>>
>> Jim  W9FI
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
>>>
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/sadxa
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>>
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Tue Apr 19 22:09:10 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry Wothe)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:09:10 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
	<kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA>
Message-ID: <5716E4C6.6020006@cox.net>

The guy in the coat and tie obviously was trying to put some class in 
the a classless crowd.:-)

On 4/19/2016 4:22 PM, Wes wrote:
> That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at 
> a ham convention?
>
> On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a 
>> sport coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>>
>>  :-)
>>
>> Jim  W9FI
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
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From jdwothe at cox.net  Tue Apr 19 22:14:18 2016
From: jdwothe at cox.net (Jerry Wothe)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:14:18 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
	<kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA>
Message-ID: <5716E5FA.1060500@cox.net>

Fact is there used to be many suit and ties there but the crowd grew out 
of those thin suit and ties. Wont be long and it will be sweats.

On 4/19/2016 4:22 PM, Wes wrote:
> That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at 
> a ham convention?
>
> On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a 
>> sport coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>>
>>  :-)
>>
>> Jim  W9FI
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> SADXA Website http://www.sadxa.org
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 19 22:28:47 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:28:47 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <5716E4C6.6020006@cox.net>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
	<kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA> <5716E4C6.6020006@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5716E95F.3060308@mindspring.com>

:-)

On 4/19/2016 7:09 PM, Jerry Wothe wrote:
> The guy in the coat and tie obviously was trying to put some class in 
> the a classless crowd.:-)
>
> On 4/19/2016 4:22 PM, Wes wrote:
>> That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at 
>> a ham convention?
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>>> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a 
>>> sport coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>>>
>>>  :-)
>>>
>>> Jim  W9FI
>>>
>>> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 19 22:30:05 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 19:30:05 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Motley Crew
In-Reply-To: <5716E5FA.1060500@cox.net>
References: <571697F0.7040202@triconet.org> <5716A83C.9070308@mindspring.com>
	<kPNf1s00o45oxQM01PNiYA> <5716E5FA.1060500@cox.net>
Message-ID: <5716E9AD.6040301@mindspring.com>

Canes and walkers appear to be the next coming fashion accessory.

On 4/19/2016 7:14 PM, Jerry Wothe wrote:
> Fact is there used to be many suit and ties there but the crowd grew 
> out of those thin suit and ties. Wont be long and it will be sweats.
>
> On 4/19/2016 4:22 PM, Wes wrote:
>> That's what I thought too.  What was a guy in a coat and tie doing at 
>> a ham convention?
>>
>> On 4/19/2016 2:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>>> Distinguished, Wes, distinguished.  One of them is even wearing a 
>>> sport coat and necktie.  What a handsome guy he is, too.
>>>
>>>  :-)
>>>
>>> Jim  W9FI
>>>
>>> On 4/19/2016 1:41 PM, Wes wrote:
>>>> https://picasaweb.google.com/111096716599424597442/2016VisaliaInternationalDXConvention#6275206720827830146 
>>>>
>>>> ______________________________________________________________
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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Wed Apr 20 13:42:47 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 10:42:47 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] My impressions of Visalia 2016
In-Reply-To: <57152ABB.8070008@mindspring.com>
References: <57152ABB.8070008@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9VXpGzNKK0svCmnc6dyNRz9MzY=c1NTboDNR0=XjEwVw@mail.gmail.com>

>From what I have heard, the Northern California guys
do put on a better show.

Next year ... Visalia !!

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Mon, Apr 18, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> wrote:

> Carl (KB7AZ), Bill (K6SWC), and I spent the weekend at the 2016 Visalia
> International DX Convention.  Most of us know that Carl is a pilot: this
> trip was made possible by Carl's decision to fly to the Convention in his
> plane.  We shared the fuel expenses and that made the trip much more
> affordable for each of us.  None of us had been there before and the first
> thing we all noticed was the friendliness of the attendees.  The people at
> Visalia 2016 typically were very gracious.
>
> At the meetings I was able to associate faces with calls among those with
> whom I have exchanged signal reports over the years.  There were groups who
> came in from Germany, Sweden, Mexico, Canada and other places.  The
> majority of the Americans came from California, which is to be expected.  I
> had a chance to meet and talk with members of the CADXA and the Arizona
> Outlaws Contest clubs.  Nice folks.  I also met a few celebrities like Bob
> Heil (K9EID) and the some of the HamNation crew.  I particularly enjoyed my
> conversations with Bengt (SM5ALJ).
>
> Most of the major tower, accessory, and radio manufacturers were out in
> force, displaying their wares and taking orders.  Kenwood was noticable by
> their absence.  DX Engineering was not there as a vendor, but their owner
> was a conference attendee.  He dropped off a small stack of "Hamfest
> Special" discount coupons on one of the tables.  They're good for a
> one-time discount of 20% off on a $100+ order, and expire on 5/31/2016.  I
> picked up a small number of them and will bring them to this Thursday's
> monthly meeting.  See me if you want one.  First come, first served until
> they run out.
>
> There were many good presentations on DXing, DXpeditions, contesting,
> Software Defined Radios, RFI remediation, learning how to tweak your audio
> chain for best signal intelligibility (demonstrated by Bob Heil), etc.  I
> was particularly impressed with how the latest and greatest high-end
> FlexRadio could be run as a one-box SO2R contest station.  Maybe when they
> start turning up on the used-equipment market in a couple of years I'll be
> able to afford one.  Several times I wanted to be different presentations
> that were being held in the same time slot: Visalia 2016 thereby met my
> criterion for a high-quality convention.  There were some substandard
> aspects to the conference experience, however.
>
> Unlike last year's convention there were no conference attendee nametags,
> so everyone had to provide their own ID.  Hamfest callsign tags were in
> abundance, although I didn't bring one since I didn't think I'd need it.  A
> bad assumption on my part.  This year there were no shuttle buses, so those
> who were staying at other hotels than the Mariott (i.e., a great many of
> those present) had to provide for their own ground transportation.  The
> first day the three of us went back and forth from the conference center
> and our hotel by using taxis, which were expensive.  Carll, Bill, and I got
> good at hustling for rides from those who had their own cars (our thanks
> went to K0XG and K6CEL for their help).  But we still paid over forty bucks
> in cab fares.
>
> The Southern California DX Club ran this year's conference.  Perhaps the
> shuttle buses and name tags will be back next year, when the Northern
> California DX Club runs Visalia 2017.  My overall evaluation is that this
> year's conference content was excellent. However the conference logistics
> are in need of some improvement.
>
> So that was Visalia 2016 from a newbee's perspective.  Would I return
> again?  Yes, I would.  First to see the differences between the Southern
> California-run and Northern California-run versions. But more importantly,
> to get a better sense of how DXing is improving over time, and to meet and
> learn from my fellow DXers.
>
> 73,  Jim  W9FI
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Wed Apr 20 19:31:31 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2016 16:31:31 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 5W0XG on 18.077.9
Message-ID: <57181153.9090504@mindspring.com>

Up 1.

GL, Jim W9FI

From w6rll at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 20 21:28:05 2016
From: w6rll at yahoo.com (w6rll at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 01:28:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A
References: <923019415.3604844.1461202085371.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <923019415.3604844.1461202085371.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

 Good copy now on 10.119 up three in DM51.
73,
Joe

From j.l.henderson at cox.net  Wed Apr 20 22:20:10 2016
From: j.l.henderson at cox.net (Jim Henderson)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 02:20:10 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A
In-Reply-To: <kpUK1s00W45oxQM01pULEj>
References: <923019415.3604844.1461202085371.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
	<kpUK1s00W45oxQM01pULEj>
Message-ID: <571838DA.7020305@cox.net>

     Joe, what antenna on 30m? They were barely copiable on my big vertical.
Jim


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>   Good copy now on 10.119 up three in DM51.
> 73,
> Joe
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From kd6xh at comcast.net  Thu Apr 21 09:32:58 2016
From: kd6xh at comcast.net (kd6xh)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 08:32:58 -0500
Subject: [SADXA] 5W0XG on 18.077.9
Message-ID: <lgo0bk2e0qbyqsf402u85829.1461245578247@email.android.com>


    
Say hello to atitu for me.kd6xh/5w0xh


Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone

-------- Original message --------
From: Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com> 
Date: 04/20/2016  18:31  (GMT-06:00) 
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net> 
Subject: [SADXA] 5W0XG on 18.077.9 

Up 1.

GL, Jim W9FI
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From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Thu Apr 21 21:02:35 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 01:02:35 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A 10119
Message-ID: <5719782B.30302@cox.net>

Worked up 3.5 on my QRN magnet (vertical) at 0054. RST 579

First time I heard them Q5 on any band.

Good luck.


KF7E

From tkramer at azci.net  Thu Apr 21 21:45:34 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Thomas Kramer)
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 18:45:34 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] EP2A 10119
In-Reply-To: <CAB+7OsX4+QcY7Stb82m64_dzc=kHhdGTQNxoS+0ZnxPmnJHS+A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5719782B.30302@cox.net>
	<CAB+7OsV+rBy+3ghP2xcE-=Ypn52_E0EoGDcVXO3jJTb83k_qoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB+7OsWNRPeoMaJ5nBCrZTEQz_+N4coZ8tsaKbCqj5Eh1sgk-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB+7OsWybHyy_Xd9vALJBPJnfJ7QeL4Jrvm2Uq4wnuABZgC-tw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAB+7OsX4+QcY7Stb82m64_dzc=kHhdGTQNxoS+0ZnxPmnJHS+A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAB+7OsWcdicD5haMn14zfJfc4V7678nFUHi7LHemukTiej2QjA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Jim,   Not to brag but 30m was easier for me than 20.
Sadly I already have both of those bands.   40 wud be nice but east coast
will be tough to break.   GL 73 TOM
On Apr 21, 2016 6:02 PM, "Jim KF7E" <jim_kf7e at cox.net> wrote:

Worked up 3.5 on my QRN magnet (vertical) at 0054. RST 579

First time I heard them Q5 on any band.

Good luck.


KF7E
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 18:24:25 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 15:24:25 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] ET7L on 18.068.95
Message-ID: <571AA499.9040402@mindspring.com>

This DXPedition is at the limits of my station's ability to copy. 
Nevertheless I got the QSO, up 0.8.  If you're further away from the 
mountains than I am, you may be able to copy him better than I did. Easy 
to find at the moment, as several stations are calling him on his TX 
frequency.

GL,  Jim  W9FI

From wd7f at wd7f.com  Fri Apr 22 19:30:51 2016
From: wd7f at wd7f.com (WD7F - John)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 16:30:51 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] April Meeting
Message-ID: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>

The page has been updated for the April SADXA meeting.

 

http://www.sadxa.org


de WD7F

John in Tucson


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 21:42:35 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:42:35 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>
References: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>
Message-ID: <571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>

Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich DXPedition was 
VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's the image you 
need.

Jim

On 4/22/2016 4:30 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
> The page has been updated for the April SADXA meeting.
>
>   
>
> http://www.sadxa.org
>
>
> de WD7F
>
> John in Tucson
>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 21:48:49 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 18:48:49 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>
References: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>
	<571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <571AD481.8030601@mindspring.com>

Sorry, gang.  That was supposed to be a private email to John. John, 
I'll send that QSL image to your private email address.

73,  Jim

On 4/22/2016 6:42 PM, Jim W wrote:
> Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich DXPedition was 
> VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's the image 
> you need.
>
> Jim
>
> On 4/22/2016 4:30 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
>> The page has been updated for the April SADXA meeting.
>>
>>
>> http://www.sadxa.org
>>
>>
>> de WD7F
>>
>> John in Tucson
>>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 22:50:21 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 19:50:21 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
Message-ID: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com>

There's now a second licensed amateur in Mount Athos.  Monk Iakovos has 
passed his exams and has been given the call SV2RSG.  The DX news 
services report that he has plans to begin operations shortly. For those 
of us who need this DX entity, this is good news indeed.

73,  Jim  W9FI


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 23:00:18 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:00:18 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
In-Reply-To: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com>
References: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <571AE542.6070603@mindspring.com>

It looks like Monk Iakovos passed his exams last year in Greece. Perhaps 
he's moved to Mount Athos and is a newcomer to the monastery.  The news 
is pretty thin on the details of this story. He has a web page on 
QRZ.com with a couple of pictures on it, but not much else.

Jim

On 4/22/2016 7:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
> There's now a second licensed amateur in Mount Athos.  Monk Iakovos 
> has passed his exams and has been given the call SV2RSG.  The DX news 
> services report that he has plans to begin operations shortly. For 
> those of us who need this DX entity, this is good news indeed.
>
> 73,  Jim  W9FI
>
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From wd7f at wd7f.com  Fri Apr 22 23:23:46 2016
From: wd7f at wd7f.com (WD7F - John)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:23:46 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>
References: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>
	<571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <003201d19d0f$8bd4e2b0$a37ea810$@wd7f.com>

I don't get it..

You said:  Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich
DXPedition was VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's
the image you need.

Jim

However, you sent me:

It's my pleasure to announce that our May speaker will be Ned Stearns, 
AA7A.  He will be speaking about his experiences as a member of the 
VP8STI (South Sandwich Is.) and VP8SGI (South Georgia Is.) DXPedition 
team.  This promises to be the highlight of this year's monthly 
meetings, so mark the event on your calendar now.  It will be at 1730 
MST on Thursday, May 19th at Mimi's Cafe.

Here's a teaser for that event: in response to my comment about how 
South Sandwich was considerably harder to work than South Georgia, Ned 
responded that "VP8STI is further from W7. VP8STI site was behind a big 
hill that blocked the path to W7. The duration of common darkness with 
W7 was quite a bit less than at VP8SGI. "

He'll be able to answer your own questions at the upcoming meeting.

Jim W9FI


Simplify it.  What image(s) should I use ? Just the one?


-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:43 PM
To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] April Meeting

Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich DXPedition was
VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's the image you
need.

Jim

On 4/22/2016 4:30 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
> The page has been updated for the April SADXA meeting.
>
>   
>
> http://www.sadxa.org
>
>
> de WD7F
>
> John in Tucson
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Fri Apr 22 23:41:04 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 20:41:04 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] April Meeting
In-Reply-To: <003201d19d0f$8bd4e2b0$a37ea810$@wd7f.com>
References: <000301d19cef$026efd00$074cf700$@wd7f.com>
	<571AD30B.9050701@mindspring.com>
	<003201d19d0f$8bd4e2b0$a37ea810$@wd7f.com>
Message-ID: <571AEED0.8010206@mindspring.com>

The illustration on the SADXA web site shows VP8THU.  It should show 
VP8STI instead.  Just swap the one picture for the other.  Use the file 
that I sent to your personal email address.  :-)

On 4/22/2016 8:23 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
> I don't get it..
>
> You said:  Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich
> DXPedition was VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's
> the image you need.
>
> Jim
>
> However, you sent me:
>
> It's my pleasure to announce that our May speaker will be Ned Stearns,
> AA7A.  He will be speaking about his experiences as a member of the
> VP8STI (South Sandwich Is.) and VP8SGI (South Georgia Is.) DXPedition
> team.  This promises to be the highlight of this year's monthly
> meetings, so mark the event on your calendar now.  It will be at 1730
> MST on Thursday, May 19th at Mimi's Cafe.
>
> Here's a teaser for that event: in response to my comment about how
> South Sandwich was considerably harder to work than South Georgia, Ned
> responded that "VP8STI is further from W7. VP8STI site was behind a big
> hill that blocked the path to W7. The duration of common darkness with
> W7 was quite a bit less than at VP8SGI. "
>
> He'll be able to answer your own questions at the upcoming meeting.
>
> Jim W9FI
>
>
> Simplify it.  What image(s) should I use ? Just the one?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim W
> Sent: Friday, April 22, 2016 6:43 PM
> To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] April Meeting
>
> Ooh, one more thing.  Ned's call for the South Sandwich DXPedition was
> VP8STI, not VP8THU.  VP8THU was a different group.  Here's the image you
> need.
>
> Jim
>
> On 4/22/2016 4:30 PM, WD7F - John wrote:
>> The page has been updated for the April SADXA meeting.
>>
>>    
>>
>> http://www.sadxa.org
>>
>>
>> de WD7F
>>
>> John in Tucson
>>
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sat Apr 23 10:12:55 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 07:12:55 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
In-Reply-To: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com>
References: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>

I saw that and as it being one of two I need for Top of the Honor Roll, I was 
very interested.  He has been on 40 meters according to some spots.

Of course, this doesn't change my personal opinion that this shouldn't actually 
be a DXCC entity. According to his QRZ profile, he was licensed by the "Ministry 
of Telecommunications."  Does Mt. Athos have a Ministry of Telecommunications?  
Of course not, so he has a license issued by Greece and he has permission from a 
glorified HOA to operate.

Wes N7WS



On 4/22/2016 7:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
> There's now a second licensed amateur in Mount Athos.  Monk Iakovos has passed 
> his exams and has been given the call SV2RSG.  The DX news services report 
> that he has plans to begin operations shortly. For those of us who need this 
> DX entity, this is good news indeed.
>
> 73,  Jim  W9FI
>


From turvin2009 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 23 10:30:42 2016
From: turvin2009 at yahoo.com (Rex Turvin)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:30:42 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
In-Reply-To: <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>
References: <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <1199248869.689475.1461421842993.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Wes,I totally agree with you. To mee it seems Monk Apollo has held Mt Athos hostage as far as operations go. I wonder if this new guy has "his blessing to operate from there" Certainly working greece is no big deal.73 NR6M
?ex: KF7NMD

Sincerely,
 Rex Turvin

Vice President CADXA
?www.nr6m.com

      From: Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org>
 To: sadxa at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 7:12 AM
 Subject: Re: [SADXA] Mount Athos
   
I saw that and as it being one of two I need for Top of the Honor Roll, I was 
very interested.? He has been on 40 meters according to some spots.

Of course, this doesn't change my personal opinion that this shouldn't actually 
be a DXCC entity. According to his QRZ profile, he was licensed by the "Ministry 
of Telecommunications."? Does Mt. Athos have a Ministry of Telecommunications?? 
Of course not, so he has a license issued by Greece and he has permission from a 
glorified HOA to operate.

Wes N7WS



On 4/22/2016 7:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
> There's now a second licensed amateur in Mount Athos.? Monk Iakovos has passed 
> his exams and has been given the call SV2RSG.? The DX news services report 
> that he has plans to begin operations shortly. For those of us who need this 
> DX entity, this is good news indeed.
>
> 73,? Jim? W9FI
>

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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr 23 11:37:47 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 08:37:47 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] More info on Mount Athos
Message-ID: <571B96CB.7060300@mindspring.com>

The good news is that Monk Iakovos is at a different monastery than Monk 
Apollo, so they won't interfere with one another's operations. The bad 
news is that it looks like there is a mountain between his QTH and the 
short path to Arizona, so for us it will be a tougher QSO to log.

Jim  W9FI


From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sat Apr 23 12:44:16 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 09:44:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
In-Reply-To: <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>
References: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com> <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9CcW-64Z7e2GeRaz5w_CnDTW_8f4wFOvEtBPxBp75qDg@mail.gmail.com>

Oh, Oh, now you have done it Wes ...
The Monk has laid the Malocchio on
you.
Watch out for crackling sounds and the
smell of Brimstone ...

HI HI

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:

> I saw that and as it being one of two I need for Top of the Honor Roll, I
> was very interested.  He has been on 40 meters according to some spots.
>
> Of course, this doesn't change my personal opinion that this shouldn't
> actually be a DXCC entity. According to his QRZ profile, he was licensed by
> the "Ministry of Telecommunications."  Does Mt. Athos have a Ministry of
> Telecommunications?  Of course not, so he has a license issued by Greece
> and he has permission from a glorified HOA to operate.
>
> Wes N7WS
>
>
>
> On 4/22/2016 7:50 PM, Jim W wrote:
>
>> There's now a second licensed amateur in Mount Athos.  Monk Iakovos has
>> passed his exams and has been given the call SV2RSG.  The DX news services
>> report that he has plans to begin operations shortly. For those of us who
>> need this DX entity, this is good news indeed.
>>
>> 73,  Jim  W9FI
>>
>>
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From tkramer at azci.net  Sat Apr 23 14:24:20 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:24:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
Message-ID: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>

Does anyone know how LOTW handles QSOs around the time of a day change?

For example if I upload a QSO that I logged at 00:02z April 17 
but because my battery clock is fast and the actual UTC is 23:58 April 16,
will LOTW compensate for this?

I have 6-8 QSOs from NPOTA PV13 that were made around 2359/0000z April 17/18.

Thanks for any feedback,
Tom NQ7R

From K7RJ at COMCAST.NET  Sat Apr 23 15:44:51 2016
From: K7RJ at COMCAST.NET (Ron Jones)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 12:44:51 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <001b01d19d98$9a3bdfa0$ceb39ee0$@NET>

I had a similar question some time ago and from my memory, the software
converts time to an almost Julian time, where the date and time of day are
encoded into one big number that is so many hours from some reference date a
few decades ago. Therefore, the roll over date problem takes care of itself.
I am recalling this from a discussion long ago when I was setting up LOTW,
but I'm pretty sure I'm right.

73
Ron K7RJ



-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:24 AM
To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation

Does anyone know how LOTW handles QSOs around the time of a day change?

For example if I upload a QSO that I logged at 00:02z April 17 
but because my battery clock is fast and the actual UTC is 23:58 April 16,
will LOTW compensate for this?

I have 6-8 QSOs from NPOTA PV13 that were made around 2359/0000z April
17/18.

Thanks for any feedback,
Tom NQ7R
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr 23 17:01:54 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 14:01:54 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <001b01d19d98$9a3bdfa0$ceb39ee0$@NET>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
	<001b01d19d98$9a3bdfa0$ceb39ee0$@NET>
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I think you're right, Ron.  After it computes that number the LotW 
program gives you a timeslot band of (I think)  plus or minus 20 
minutes.  If the difference between your computed time and that of the 
other station falls within that interval, you both get the QSO confirmed.

ClubLog has a tighter tolerance band than does LotW.  If I recall 
correctly it's only plus or minus ten minutes, so you could have a match 
on LotW and still not get a hit out of ClubLog.

Jim  W9FI


On 4/23/2016 12:44 PM, Ron Jones wrote:
> I had a similar question some time ago and from my memory, the software
> converts time to an almost Julian time, where the date and time of day are
> encoded into one big number that is so many hours from some reference date a
> few decades ago. Therefore, the roll over date problem takes care of itself.
> I am recalling this from a discussion long ago when I was setting up LOTW,
> but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
>
> 73
> Ron K7RJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
> Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
>
> Does anyone know how LOTW handles QSOs around the time of a day change?
>
> For example if I upload a QSO that I logged at 00:02z April 17
> but because my battery clock is fast and the actual UTC is 23:58 April 16,
> will LOTW compensate for this?
>
> I have 6-8 QSOs from NPOTA PV13 that were made around 2359/0000z April
> 17/18.
>
> Thanks for any feedback,
> Tom NQ7R
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From turvin2009 at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 23 17:03:49 2016
From: turvin2009 at yahoo.com (Rex Turvin)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 21:03:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <571BE2C2.8050400@mindspring.com>
References: <571BE2C2.8050400@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <1964946639.779235.1461445429729.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

The time time difference for LOTW is plus or minus 30 minutes. For Clublog it is 15 minutes73 NR6M
?ex: KF7NMD

Sincerely,
 Rex Turvin

Vice President CADXA
?www.nr6m.com

      From: Jim W <wysocki1 at mindspring.com>
 To: Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector <sadxa at mailman.qth.net> 
 Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 2:01 PM
 Subject: Re: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
   
I think you're right, Ron.? After it computes that number the LotW 
program gives you a timeslot band of (I think)? plus or minus 20 
minutes.? If the difference between your computed time and that of the 
other station falls within that interval, you both get the QSO confirmed.

ClubLog has a tighter tolerance band than does LotW.? If I recall 
correctly it's only plus or minus ten minutes, so you could have a match 
on LotW and still not get a hit out of ClubLog.

Jim? W9FI


On 4/23/2016 12:44 PM, Ron Jones wrote:
> I had a similar question some time ago and from my memory, the software
> converts time to an almost Julian time, where the date and time of day are
> encoded into one big number that is so many hours from some reference date a
> few decades ago. Therefore, the roll over date problem takes care of itself.
> I am recalling this from a discussion long ago when I was setting up LOTW,
> but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
>
> 73
> Ron K7RJ
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
> Subject: [SADXA] LOTW and date time correlation
>
> Does anyone know how LOTW handles QSOs around the time of a day change?
>
> For example if I upload a QSO that I logged at 00:02z April 17
> but because my battery clock is fast and the actual UTC is 23:58 April 16,
> will LOTW compensate for this?
>
> I have 6-8 QSOs from NPOTA PV13 that were made around 2359/0000z April
> 17/18.
>
> Thanks for any feedback,
> Tom NQ7R
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From tkramer at azci.net  Sat Apr 23 18:39:52 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 15:39:52 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <79FDD534D6D2436BA87D31DD41F9EAD5@NQ7RPC>

Now that I have uploaded the data it appears that LOTW simply follows the time and date I designate.
  Maybe with the NPOTA LOTW doesn?t cares so much about the exact date/time. 
As long as folks get the credit that is what counts. 
So this gives me a whopping 4 NPOTA locations activated LOL  
In any case they were fun, like a micro dxpedition. 

73 Tom NQ7R 

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To: CADXA SHARE ; SADXA Reflector 
Subject: CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation

  

Does anyone know how LOTW handles QSOs around the time of a day change?

For example if I upload a QSO that I logged at 00:02z April 17 
but because my battery clock is fast and the actual UTC is 23:58 April 16,
will LOTW compensate for this?

I have 6-8 QSOs from NPOTA PV13 that were made around 2359/0000z April 17/18.

Thanks for any feedback,
Tom NQ7R
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From carlfoster at cactuscomm.net  Sat Apr 23 23:31:21 2016
From: carlfoster at cactuscomm.net (Carl Foster)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 20:31:21 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <79FDD534D6D2436BA87D31DD41F9EAD5@NQ7RPC>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
	<79FDD534D6D2436BA87D31DD41F9EAD5@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <005d01d19dd9$c5fcfb10$51f6f130$@cactuscomm.net>

I use a sync program called D4 that syncs the computer to a time standard at each start-up. That keeps the computer time within one second. 

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 3:40 PM
To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation

Now that I have uploaded the data it appears that LOTW simply follows the time and date I designate.
  Maybe with the NPOTA LOTW doesn?t cares so much about the exact date/time. 
As long as folks get the credit that is what counts. 
So this gives me a whopping 4 NPOTA locations activated LOL In any case they were fun, like a micro dxpedition. 

73 Tom NQ7R 



From tkramer at azci.net  Sun Apr 24 00:40:17 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 21:40:17 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <005d01d19dd9$c5fcfb10$51f6f130$@cactuscomm.net>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC><79FDD534D6D2436BA87D31DD41F9EAD5@NQ7RPC>
	<005d01d19dd9$c5fcfb10$51f6f130$@cactuscomm.net>
Message-ID: <46128FD9FEE14200B08098BB9CD6AC88@NQ7RPC>

Hi Carl,

I use D4 here at home but for simplicity I did paper logging in the field 
and set time with my MFJ world clock
which gradually gains time and I forgot to calibrate it before I started. 
So far all seems to be okay.
Granted it does take time entering the log manually but there weren't that 
many Q's.
I suppose there might be a logging app for the android phones.

Tom

-----Original Message----- 
From: Carl Foster
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:31 PM
To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
Subject: Re: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation

I use a sync program called D4 that syncs the computer to a time standard at 
each start-up. That keeps the computer time within one second.

-----Original Message-----
From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 3:40 PM
To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
Subject: Re: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation

Now that I have uploaded the data it appears that LOTW simply follows the 
time and date I designate.
  Maybe with the NPOTA LOTW doesn?t cares so much about the exact date/time.
As long as folks get the credit that is what counts.
So this gives me a whopping 4 NPOTA locations activated LOL In any case they 
were fun, like a micro dxpedition.

73 Tom NQ7R


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From dickw1ksz at gmail.com  Sun Apr 24 01:27:07 2016
From: dickw1ksz at gmail.com (Richard Solomon)
Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 22:27:07 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
In-Reply-To: <46128FD9FEE14200B08098BB9CD6AC88@NQ7RPC>
References: <1E9B790614D24A0EBC00006D750E736F@NQ7RPC>
	<79FDD534D6D2436BA87D31DD41F9EAD5@NQ7RPC>
	<005d01d19dd9$c5fcfb10$51f6f130$@cactuscomm.net>
	<46128FD9FEE14200B08098BB9CD6AC88@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <CAC5FBO9Se3Gw+OGYHgGioWXwCRg9gnzdXy5bpw7Qmitj8ZtRkw@mail.gmail.com>

The time on your Android phone should
be pretty accurate. And, you can download
an App for MS Excel that you can create
a log in.

73, Dick, W1KSZ

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:40 PM, Tom Kramer <tkramer at azci.net> wrote:

> Hi Carl,
>
> I use D4 here at home but for simplicity I did paper logging in the field
> and set time with my MFJ world clock
> which gradually gains time and I forgot to calibrate it before I started.
> So far all seems to be okay.
> Granted it does take time entering the log manually but there weren't that
> many Q's.
> I suppose there might be a logging app for the android phones.
>
> Tom
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Carl Foster
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 8:31 PM
> To: 'Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector'
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
>
> I use a sync program called D4 that syncs the computer to a time standard
> at each start-up. That keeps the computer time within one second.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SADXA [mailto:sadxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom Kramer
> Sent: Saturday, April 23, 2016 3:40 PM
> To: CADXA SHARE; SADXA Reflector
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] CADXA SHARE LOTW and date time correlation
>
> Now that I have uploaded the data it appears that LOTW simply follows the
> time and date I designate.
>  Maybe with the NPOTA LOTW doesn?t cares so much about the exact date/time.
> As long as folks get the credit that is what counts.
> So this gives me a whopping 4 NPOTA locations activated LOL In any case
> they were fun, like a micro dxpedition.
>
> 73 Tom NQ7R
>
>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 24 10:54:22 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 07:54:22 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] TK9C on 18.077
Message-ID: <571CDE1E.9060700@mindspring.com>

QSX 18.078.2

GL, Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 24 12:38:24 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 09:38:24 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CN8KD on 18.092
Message-ID: <571CF680.5010304@mindspring.com>

Simplex

Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 24 13:09:07 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:09:07 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] MJ0KUC on 18.076
Message-ID: <571CFDB3.5090608@mindspring.com>

QSX 18.077.9

Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 24 13:29:31 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:29:31 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] LZ1700SIP on 18.074.3
Message-ID: <571D027B.9030702@mindspring.com>

Simplex

Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sun Apr 24 13:42:30 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 10:42:30 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CN2TR on 18.159
Message-ID: <571D0586.9080607@mindspring.com>

Simplex

Jim  W9FI

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 24 18:06:10 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:06:10 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CX7SS 24940
Message-ID: <571D4352.6050307@triconet.org>

Worked @ 2200Z booming.

Good luck from WS7DX

From tkramer at azci.net  Sun Apr 24 18:42:02 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 15:42:02 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] QuickTime and windows
Message-ID: <2CB3BC8A62874C8E8B75936FA005020E@NQ7RPC>

I just read several posts that say Windows users should uninstall QuickTime because Apple is no longer supporting it and it?s presence on the computer becomes a security liability.  Ant one else hear of this?

Tom NQ7R

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 24 19:24:48 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 16:24:48 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] CY0/VY1AXC 14254
Message-ID: <571D55C0.4080001@triconet.org>

Worked @2318Z with club call.  Can't get him with mine.

From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 24 20:18:29 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:18:29 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] QuickTime and windows
In-Reply-To: <2CB3BC8A62874C8E8B75936FA005020E@NQ7RPC>
References: <2CB3BC8A62874C8E8B75936FA005020E@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <571D6255.4050705@triconet.org>

Yes, zap it.

On 4/24/2016 3:42 PM, Tom Kramer wrote:
> I just read several posts that say Windows users should uninstall QuickTime because Apple is no longer supporting it and it?s presence on the computer becomes a security liability.  Ant one else hear of this?
>
> Tom NQ7R
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From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Sun Apr 24 20:32:47 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:32:47 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Mount Athos
In-Reply-To: <CAC5FBO9CcW-64Z7e2GeRaz5w_CnDTW_8f4wFOvEtBPxBp75qDg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <571AE2ED.7010005@mindspring.com> <571B82E7.8040600@triconet.org>
	<CAC5FBO9CcW-64Z7e2GeRaz5w_CnDTW_8f4wFOvEtBPxBp75qDg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571D65AF.1070804@triconet.org>

That's an Italian superstition.  He'll probably sic the Kallikantzaros on me.

On 4/23/2016 9:44 AM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> Oh, Oh, now you have done it Wes ...
> The Monk has laid the Malocchio on
> you.
> Watch out for crackling sounds and the
> smell of Brimstone ...
>
> HI HI
>
> 73, Dick, W1KSZ
>
> On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 7:12 AM, Wes <wes_n7ws at triconet.org> wrote:
>


From w7key at mac.com  Sun Apr 24 20:50:43 2016
From: w7key at mac.com (Theodore DOWNING)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 17:50:43 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] High winds tomorrow Monday
Message-ID: <EB75D36C-EA2F-4061-935A-5DA56F90AF1D@mac.com>

High winds forecasted tomorrow for Pima and Cochise countries. Gusts to 40 and 50 respectively. 
> 
Ted 

From tkramer at azci.net  Mon Apr 25 00:26:32 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:26:32 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FK4RD  18130 lonely nice signal
Message-ID: <D4E65D3C0F0A40848265043CA6F083CD@NQ7RPC>


From tkramer at azci.net  Mon Apr 25 00:36:02 2016
From: tkramer at azci.net (Tom Kramer)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:36:02 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] AX3EY   an-zac special call 18138
Message-ID: <3149AA255F1F4A47B171064CCE4B7755@NQ7RPC>


From wes_n7ws at triconet.org  Mon Apr 25 00:49:20 2016
From: wes_n7ws at triconet.org (Wes)
Date: Sun, 24 Apr 2016 21:49:20 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] FK4RD 18130 lonely nice signal
In-Reply-To: <D4E65D3C0F0A40848265043CA6F083CD@NQ7RPC>
References: <D4E65D3C0F0A40848265043CA6F083CD@NQ7RPC>
Message-ID: <571DA1D0.50906@triconet.org>

The club worked him.

On 4/24/2016 9:26 PM, Tom Kramer wrote:


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 25 22:35:38 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 19:35:38 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] 9Y/K2HVN on 10.120.0
Message-ID: <571ED3FA.1090508@mindspring.com>

Good signal.  Up 1.3.

GL,  Jim W9FI


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Mon Apr 25 23:25:44 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 20:25:44 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] KH8/KC0W on 10.104
Message-ID: <571EDFB8.2070008@mindspring.com>

Up 2.

Jim  W9FI

From j.l.henderson at cox.net  Tue Apr 26 11:46:30 2016
From: j.l.henderson at cox.net (Jim Henderson)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:46:30 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] a61q 18081
Message-ID: <2310da98-490d-3d77-ab8f-386a88931109@cox.net>

CQ, simplex, QRS

at 1545Z


Jim


From jim_kf7e at cox.net  Tue Apr 26 11:49:10 2016
From: jim_kf7e at cox.net (Jim KF7E)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:49:10 +0000
Subject: [SADXA] a61q 18081
In-Reply-To: <2310da98-490d-3d77-ab8f-386a88931109@cox.net>
References: <2310da98-490d-3d77-ab8f-386a88931109@cox.net>
Message-ID: <ebb7e833-bde6-7214-3e49-99951cfd7b69@cox.net>

Should be 18082.... tpyos!

Jim


On 4/26/2016 3:46 PM, Jim Henderson wrote:
> CQ, simplex, QRS
>
> at 1545Z
>
>
> Jim
>
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From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Tue Apr 26 18:21:00 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2016 15:21:00 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] KH8/KC0W on 18.083
Message-ID: <571FE9CC.8020703@mindspring.com>

Fast CW.  Up 1 - 2.

Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Wed Apr 27 22:23:16 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 19:23:16 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] A91HI on 14.200
Message-ID: <57217414.3040309@mindspring.com>

Now peaking.  Simplex.

From carlfoster at cactuscomm.net  Wed Apr 27 23:39:30 2016
From: carlfoster at cactuscomm.net (Carl Foster)
Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 20:39:30 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] UK0OWW  14.009 Simplex
Message-ID: <00ff01d1a0ff$92b9f4a0$b82ddde0$@cactuscomm.net>

Got him first call. Fairly loud and steady. 


From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 28 09:20:39 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:20:39 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] V85TL on 7.023
Message-ID: <57220E27.60404@mindspring.com>

Simplex.  There's a minor JA pileup but you can break through it.

GL,  Jim  W9FI

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Thu Apr 28 09:37:14 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:37:14 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] DS1STV on 7.012
Message-ID: <5722120A.3030200@mindspring.com>

Simplex.  CQing.

From wysocki1 at mindspring.com  Sat Apr 30 23:27:45 2016
From: wysocki1 at mindspring.com (Jim W)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2016 20:27:45 -0700
Subject: [SADXA] Grease gun?
Message-ID: <572577B1.30808@mindspring.com>

I'm having troubles rotating the antenna on my old tower and have 
isolated the problem to the tower's thrust bearing.  It's taking too 
much effort to rotate, and my rotor software is going into a "safety 
stop" mode.

In looking at the setup I realize that it's been about 25 years since 
that thrust bearing was lubricated.  It feels like the grease around the 
ball bearings has dried up over the years and that's causing a lot of 
extra friction.

Lubricating the thrust bearing should be easy to do.  The bearing takes 
a standard automotive Zerk fitting, and it's sitting at about knee 
height on the bottom of the tower.  It should be an easy job except that 
I gave away my grease gun years ago, when my wife and I were lightening 
the load to prepare for the cross-country move back to Tucson.

Does anybody have a grease gun that I can borrow to fix my problem?

Thanks,   Jim  W9FI



