[SADXA] HF amplifier for sale

Wes Stewart n7ws at yahoo.com
Wed Jun 26 17:04:58 EDT 2013 

Hey, I wanted to say, "third."

--- On Wed, 6/26/13, JERRY <jdwothe at cox.net> wrote:

> From: JERRY <jdwothe at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [SADXA] HF amplifier for sale
> To: "Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail Reflector" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2013, 3:01 PM
> Voting is closed. Gail is it!
> 
> 
> On 6/26/2013 1:59 PM, Richard Solomon wrote:
> > I'll second that ....
> >
> > 73, Dick
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 1:58 PM, JERRY <jdwothe at cox.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Gail:
> >>
> >> Did Tucson ever have an RFI team. I know in the
> past RFI teams were
> >> primarily out to get the ham out of the TV and
> other devices but I wonder
> >> if there was a group and if they got involved
> locating other RFI sources. I
> >> know someone who has some of the right equipment to
> do RFI Fox hunting that
> >> might be receptive to be invited to join a group
> like that.
> >>
> >> How about if you be the king of RFI?:-)
> >>
> >> Jerry
> >>
> >> On 6/26/2013 1:54 PM, n7bxx at q.com wrote:
> >>
> >>> is it time to organist some sort of RFI group?
> Might be fun/productive to
> >>> get together for dinner some evening and see
> what happens.  I am sure
> >>> interested.
> >>>
> >>> Gail N7BXX
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "JERRY" <jdwothe at cox.net>
> >>> To: "Southern AZ DX Association E-Mail
> Reflector" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:49:54 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] HF amplifier for sale
> >>>
> >>> Hi Tom:
> >>>
> >>> The noise issue is a messy one at best and now
> days with all the
> >>> electronics its very difficult to pin down what
> is making the noise.
> >>> Anyone who has tried to listen to the weak
> signals  for very long have
> >>> run into the problem whether they know it or
> not. The problem is far
> >>> worse now than when I began in the 50s when
> just about the only thing
> >>> that made noise was  the TV sets.
> >>>
> >>> Through the years I have had several cases of
> various kinds of RFI and
> >>> have had  good success with Ferites with a
> lot of the problems. Just the
> >>> addition of adding a computer to the station is
> introducing RFI. Then
> >>> there are the peripherals for computers, like
> printers, USB hubs,
> >>> routers etc. Been there with all of them at one
> time or the other.
> >>>
> >>> Unfortunately I did not record with any of
> those things sound like and
> >>> would not now recognize many of them if I did
> hear it. Some times I get
> >>> noises one would say for sure is a power line
> noise but isn't. The TEP
> >>> guy from Tucson, who is now gone, a couple of
> times came out and
> >>> listened to what I was hearing and tracked the
> items down even though we
> >>> knew up front it was not Power line stuff. That
> will never happen again
> >>> I would bet. No anyway if the management knows
> about it. Gary, the TEP,
> >>> guy found a water heater thermostat causing
> problems and it was over a
> >>> quarter mile away. He also found a dog fence
> causing a huge problem  for
> >>> me until he came up with it.
> >>>
> >>> I know Dick, W1KSZ, has looked at this a bit
> and maybe someone in the
> >>> club will come up with some of the 
> typical sounds for all the identify
> >>> with. We will see.
> >>>
> >>> Heard you on 6 last night calling Jimmy at V31
> but did not hear you make
> >>> a report. I did not hear a  thing from him
> when you were calling. I
> >>> worked him a couple of days ago so that took
> the pressure off. I also
> >>> caught the VP2V/W9DR a very few minutes after
> V31IV. They were both new
> >>> ones for me, Nos 62 and 63 worked.
> >>>
> >>> In any event I guess we will have to work
> around the noise thing until
> >>> something better comes along.
> >>>
> >>> Jerry
> >>>
> >>> On 6/25/2013 9:00 AM, Tom Kramer wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Jerry,
> >>>>    A sad commentary on corporate
> America but becoming more and more
> >>>> common as companies simply ignore
> regulations until they get litigated
> >>>> in some way. However, my main objective is
> to highlight this part of
> >>>> your message:
> >>>> ".. folks ... seem not to either know what
> they are hearing..."
> >>>> as that is often my problem.  I get
> all kinds of interference but have
> >>>> a hard time deterring what it might be.
> >>>>
> >>>>     I am not certain
> how we might do this but a nifty club program would
> >>>> be demonstrating what different RFI signals
> might sound like, not just
> >>>> power line, but plasma TVs, internet Wi-Fi,
> washing machines etc.  I
> >>>> can with relative ease record what my
> neighbors washing machine sounds
> >>>> like on 6m ( and 17, 15,12,10, 2 and 222
> mHz).  Also can record the
> >>>> Wi-Fi interference from my ISP on 160 ->
> 10m.   Can others in the
> >>>> group record plasma TV RFI and other
> interference that they can identify?
> >>>>
> >>>>    I just had an occurrence this
> morning while running FSK441 Meteor
> >>>> scatter on 2m.  Suddenly was hit but
> an S9 noise.  Off the center
> >>>> frequency it sounded like white noise but
> tuning to the signal peak it
> >>>> was pulsating.  I got out my FT817 and
> put on a 12 inch wire antenna
> >>>> and walked my yard and near neighbors
> houses only to discover it was
> >>>> the USB hub on my own desktop. I could copy
> it up to 100 ft away from
> >>>> the shack.  I use it to connect two
> USB to serial adapters for
> >>>> connecting my two main radios for computer
> interface.   Disconnected
> >>>> the hub and connected the USB/serial
> adapters direct to desktop ... no
> >>>> RFI.  BUT what's even more weird is
> when I connected the USB hub to
> >>>> the back of the computer and use it for the
> keyboard and Wi-Fi modem
> >>>> and ...NO RFI.  Hard to figure out.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "JERRY"
> <jdwothe at cox.net>
> >>>> To: "Bob Coomler" <w7swl at yahoo.com>;
> "Southern AZ DX Association
> >>>> E-Mail Reflector" <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013 11:27 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] HF amplifier for sale
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>   Hi Bob:
> >>>>> Well at issue here is we need folks
> that have RFI to make a list of
> >>>>> their issues and call them in so we
> have something to work with.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The problem I personally have is pretty
> minor however there are folks
> >>>>> much closer to a big noise source that
> seem not to either know what
> >>>>> they are hearing or it isn't a big
> enough issue to do something. What
> >>>>> I am afraid of is one of these days a
> big source will show up and
> >>>>> there is no quick path to resolve it as
> there was when Gary was
> >>>>> around. Going the route you suggest and
> what is probably going to
> >>>>> have to happen will take weeks and
> maybe even months to resolve.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I mentioned it a few month ago at radio
> club before Gary retired and
> >>>>> the reception was like a flock of deer
> in the headlights. I just
> >>>>> cannot believe no one in town has RFI
> problems.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It took Gary and I many months to track
> down all the issues within
> >>>>> about 2.5 miles of my place that I
> could hear on one band or the
> >>>>> other. Right now it is great but in
> time that is going to change.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I suspect TEP still has the equipment
> Gary was using but in time I
> >>>>> also know corporations send stuff not
> being use to salvage, then when
> >>>>> they need it, it wont be in the budget
> so they cant go out and buy new.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the input.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jerry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 6/23/2013 10:46 AM, Bob Coomler
> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> If you are an ARRL member, I'd
> suggest contacting Mike Gruber, W1MG,
> >>>>>> at the League headquarters. When I
> was living in northern
> >>>>>> California, PG&E kept blowing
> off my complaints, but Mike was able
> >>>>>> to work some magic and I had their
> undivided attention.  They ended
> >>>>>> up bringing in an independent RFI
> consultant from the east coast.
> >>>>>> My problem was found, solved and
> PG&E had the foresight to make it
> >>>>>> an in-service for the staff. I
> doubt that TEP would similarly
> >>>>>> respond, but Mr. Gruber does seem
> to get things done.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bob W7SWL
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>   ______________________________**__
> >>>>>>> From: JERRY <jdwothe at cox.net>
> >>>>>>> To: Southern AZ DX Association
> E-Mail Reflector
> >>>>>>> <sadxa at mailman.qth.net>
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2013
> 10:01 AM
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [SADXA] HF
> amplifier for sale
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi Ted:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sad to say that TEP finds that
> noise abatement  by their power
> >>>>>>> lines is
> >>>>>>> no longer a concern to them.
> They have not and do not intend to
> >>>>>>> replace
> >>>>>>> Gary. Our only first step is to
> contact TEP and file an RFI
> >>>>>>> complaint. I
> >>>>>>> have done that and they blew it
> off without even a reply. Then if I
> >>>>>>> understand the process we are
> to file a compliant with the state but I
> >>>>>>> am not sure who as I have not
> looked into it. If that does not get
> >>>>>>> them
> >>>>>>> off the dime then we are to
> file a complaint with the FCC outlining
> >>>>>>> dates and who we have contacted
> regarding the RFI.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I would hope it doesn't get to
> that but it might in order for them to
> >>>>>>> get someone in that position.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Regarding the tower, it is
> sold.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> BTW to put that tower up in
> Pima county would be just about impossible
> >>>>>>> with the situation we find
> ourselves in with the county.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jerry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 6/23/2013 9:49 AM, Theodore
> DOWNING wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Jerry,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Good to see you at SADXA
> and an interesting talk. I am ready to move
> >>>>>>>> out into the boondocks
> after returning home to listen to the urban
> >>>>>>>> noise.  Who is the
> contact point in TEP now that Gary has retired?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Second, do you still have
> Donny's tower?  I may be interested if it
> >>>>>>>> has engineering
> papers...for my new place in the boonies.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ted w7key
> >>>>>>>>
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