I might be dreaming, but I'm pretty sure I just worked 4A4A on 160 meters with my joke of an antenna. 1.824, up 1.1 at 0250 UTC, they are very loud and the band is not too bad either. GL, Keith KR7RK ---------------------------------------------------- 73 de KR7RK keith at kr7rk.com Website/Blog at http://www.kr7rk.com ----------------------------------------------------