From gjurrens at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 00:51:06 2019
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Thu, 1 Aug 2019 22:51:06 -0600
Subject: [RVRC] Happy birthday Kenny!
Message-ID: <5EC0C2B5-C357-4B6D-B051-272308ADA913@gmail.com>

All the best on your birthday and best wishes for many more to come! 73,

GJ
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From njradioman at aol.com  Fri Aug  2 02:47:49 2019
From: njradioman at aol.com (Marty)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2019 06:47:49 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RVRC] Happy birthday Kenny!
In-Reply-To: <5EC0C2B5-C357-4B6D-B051-272308ADA913@gmail.com>
References: <5EC0C2B5-C357-4B6D-B051-272308ADA913@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <695690127.99372.1564728469147@mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday Kenny.

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To: rvrc <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>; Drew Moore <DRUMOR at OPTONLINE.NET>; Kenny Lind <krlund at centurylink.net>
Sent: Fri, Aug 2, 2019 12:53 am
Subject: [RVRC] Happy birthday Kenny!

All the best on your birthday and best wishes for many more to come! 73,

GJ
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From krlund at centurylink.net  Fri Aug  2 06:29:18 2019
From: krlund at centurylink.net (krlund)
Date: Fri, 02 Aug 2019 06:29:18 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Happy birthday Kenny!
Message-ID: <B7.EE.12284.080144D5@smtp03.onyx.dfw.sync.lan>

Thanks?everybody!

From asajlm at verizon.net  Sat Aug 10 14:15:14 2019
From: asajlm at verizon.net (John Manna)
Date: Sat, 10 Aug 2019 18:15:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RVRC] VE Exam on Saturday August 17.
References: <1432639249.2733878.1565460914298.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1432639249.2733878.1565460914298@mail.yahoo.com>

The W2QW club is having a VE Exam on August 17.? If anyoneis interested to upgrade their license please let me know if you?are planning to take an exam. Registration is at 8:30 AM and the?exam starts at 9 AM. Location is at the Somerset Fire Academy.
The next session will be December 7, 2019.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? John....WA2F

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sun Aug 18 03:24:09 2019
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2019 07:24:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RVRC] Fwd: OMARC Fall Hamfest Flyer - Saturday Sept 7, 2019
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-----Original Message-----
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-----Original Message-----
From: Joseph Kruszewski <joekru1 at hotmail.com>
Sent: Sat, Aug 17, 2019 7:59 am
Subject: OMARC Fall Hamfest Flyer - Saturday Sept 7, 2019

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From whtSNUboss at msn.com  Thu Aug 22 20:42:38 2019
From: whtSNUboss at msn.com (Jim Nannery)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 00:42:38 +0000
Subject: [RVRC] Possable new 2m repeater site
Message-ID: <DM6PR02MB6667E5C35B83932827977605CBA40@DM6PR02MB6667.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Members,

This E-mail to is update the club on the 2M Repeater, due to things going on we are losing the current 2M site however I have possibly secured a new site on a tower location in Somerset count the exact tower cannot be named at this moment. It Is a government site as such we must comply with the requirements set forth and use the vendor they require. We would need to use the Icom radio, and run 25W with no preamps or amps. However, we will be at RX 940 AMSL &  TX 880 AMSL fed with 1-5/8 hardline we will have a 2.5 dBd gain on the system. We will be on backup power as well. Cabling required will cost about $2500.00, the expansion channels needed is $2000.00, outdoor weather proof climate controlled cabinet $3000.00 and the install of power and equipment in to the state system. With that said I would say 8-10 thousand total. This is a good site and has some ham state police and federal equipment. Site access will be limited and this is pending state police approval. After this initial outlay of funds our costs at this location our financial obligation will be for the required insurance only. This really is our best choice without it we will be back off the air. We need the approval for the money ASAP so that we can start the approval process with the state. If possible could we take an email/electronic vote on this so that we can expedite getting our approval from the state.



Jim Nannery

KC2ZXP

From w2ca at verizon.net  Thu Aug 22 22:39:15 2019
From: w2ca at verizon.net (William Labos)
Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2019 22:39:15 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Possable new 2m repeater site
In-Reply-To: <DM6PR02MB6667E5C35B83932827977605CBA40@DM6PR02MB6667.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM6PR02MB6667E5C35B83932827977605CBA40@DM6PR02MB6667.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
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The current site with the equipment that is there is virtually useless, but the current site was supposed to have long term viability??

My only concerns are: 
Even with the nice elevation how effective will be with only 25 watts?
After spending $10k, will we have an agreement that except for malfeasance, that 
our installation will have long term viability?? Or will it be like every other state collocation, that upon notice for any reason, we have 30 days to vacate the site???
Since access to the site will be limited, will we be able to have remote control?
If this is our best option and a solid investment, I?m in favor of moving forward.

Bill Labos W2CA

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Jim Nannery <whtSNUboss at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Members,
> 
> This E-mail to is update the club on the 2M Repeater, due to things going on we are losing the current 2M site however I have possibly secured a new site on a tower location in Somerset count the exact tower cannot be named at this moment. It Is a government site as such we must comply with the requirements set forth and use the vendor they require. We would need to use the Icom radio, and run 25W with no preamps or amps. However, we will be at RX 940 AMSL &  TX 880 AMSL fed with 1-5/8 hardline we will have a 2.5 dBd gain on the system. We will be on backup power as well. Cabling required will cost about $2500.00, the expansion channels needed is $2000.00, outdoor weather proof climate controlled cabinet $3000.00 and the install of power and equipment in to the state system. With that said I would say 8-10 thousand total. This is a good site and has some ham state police and federal equipment. Site access will be limited and this is pending state police approval. After this i
> nitial outlay of funds our costs at this location our financial obligation will be for the required insurance only. This really is our best choice without it we will be back off the air. We need the approval for the money ASAP so that we can start the approval process with the state. If possible could we take an email/electronic vote on this so that we can expedite getting our approval from the state.
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Nannery
> 
> KC2ZXP
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From marvbrons at verizon.net  Fri Aug 23 02:31:48 2019
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 02:31:48 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] FW:  Possable new 2m repeater site
Message-ID: <010b01d5597c$713e1b10$53ba5130$@net>

Jim Nannery and RVRC,

I have to echo Bill's comments in addition to one of my own. 

My concern is that of the effective signal from these limitations (losses) of multiplexing, ???? feet of transmission line loss and the power limit of 25 watts output from the transmitter. Also, the antennas will be side-mounted on the tower which will alter the radiation pattern and favor what direction?

The 2.5 dB "gain" is for which/what?..........RX or TX?  If it weren't for the $10,000 cost I would say it maybe a worthwhile attempt. But unless there will be a power amplifier up at the antenna to recover the line and multiplexer losses.......I just can't make a conscientious decision.

Can we have more technical info?  Block diagram with losses/gains.

On the surface the thought of being up at 900 feet AMSL seems fabulous but with what limitations and net performance (at $10k).

Marv, K2VHW
.............................................

-----Original Message-----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of William Labos via RVRC
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2019 10:39 PM
To: Jim Nannery
Cc: rvrc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Possable new 2m repeater site

The current site with the equipment that is there is virtually useless, but the current site was supposed to have long term viability??

My only concerns are: 
Even with the nice elevation how effective will be with only 25 watts?
After spending $10k, will we have an agreement that except for malfeasance, that 
our installation will have long term viability?? Or will it be like every other state collocation, that upon notice for any reason, we have 30 days to vacate the site???
Since access to the site will be limited, will we be able to have remote control?
If this is our best option and a solid investment, I?m in favor of moving forward.

Bill Labos W2CA

> On Aug 22, 2019, at 8:42 PM, Jim Nannery <whtSNUboss at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Members,
> 
> This E-mail to is update the club on the 2M Repeater, due to things going on we are losing the current 2M site however I have possibly secured a new site on a tower location in Somerset count the exact tower cannot be named at this moment. It Is a government site as such we must comply with the requirements set forth and use the vendor they require. We would need to use the Icom radio, and run 25W with no preamps or amps. However, we will be at RX 940 AMSL &  TX 880 AMSL fed with 1-5/8 hardline we will have a 2.5 dBd gain on the system. We will be on backup power as well. Cabling required will cost about $2500.00, the expansion channels needed is $2000.00, outdoor weather proof climate controlled cabinet $3000.00 and the install of power and equipment in to the state system. With that said I would say 8-10 thousand total. This is a good site and has some ham state police and federal equipment. Site access will be limited and this is pending state police approval. After this i
> nitial outlay of funds our costs at this location our financial obligation will be for the required insurance only. This really is our best choice without it we will be back off the air. We need the approval for the money ASAP so that we can start the approval process with the state. If possible could we take an email/electronic vote on this so that we can expedite getting our approval from the state.
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Nannery
> 
> KC2ZXP
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From gjurrens at gmail.com  Fri Aug 23 15:13:03 2019
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 13:13:03 -0600
Subject: [RVRC] * Ron Wescott K2TZ RVRC
Message-ID: <82FDBA0A-3635-4856-A0B9-4BE8EEBAA9EF@gmail.com>

Happy birthday Ron! I hope this finds you well and prospering! Good DX! 73,

GJ
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From njradioman at aol.com  Fri Aug 23 15:49:48 2019
From: njradioman at aol.com (Marty)
Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2019 19:49:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [RVRC] * Ron Wescott K2TZ RVRC
In-Reply-To: <82FDBA0A-3635-4856-A0B9-4BE8EEBAA9EF@gmail.com>
References: <82FDBA0A-3635-4856-A0B9-4BE8EEBAA9EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <443599173.1611990.1566589788812@mail.yahoo.com>

Happy Birthday Ron.




From gjurrens at gmail.com  Thu Aug 29 09:20:04 2019
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 09:20:04 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] ARL FORTY SIX Bob!
Message-ID: <1F68D266-0558-4816-AABD-0E20108960B5@gmail.com>

Have the happiest of happy birthdays! 73

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ/5
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From w2oudrew at gmail.com  Fri Aug 30 18:36:00 2019
From: w2oudrew at gmail.com (drew moore)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2019 22:36:00 +0000
Subject: [RVRC] Fwd: Amateur Radio/Hurricane Dorian Resources
In-Reply-To: <CA+b0E=eyGF0+=FdZB8f8Ae6U=kMaKwjQx+RnBSL5EeRK2os3Qw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <BN8PR20MB2691CC8D9B449A52191E1496FCBD0@BN8PR20MB2691.namprd20.prod.outlook.com>

FYI
Forgive typos

________________________________
From: N0TAZ LEON <n0tazradio at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2019 5:47 PM
To: Leon Grauer
Subject: Amateur Radio/Hurricane Dorian Resources

     Here are resources for monitoring or or participating in various hurricane nets.  These organizations run emergency nets.  Operators should NOT check in to ask about weather conditions, forecasts or damage reports.  Operators also should NOT transmit to provide forecast information that is online, on The Weather Channel, etc.  If you are not in an affected area, you can play a valuable role by monitoring and, if necessary, relaying information between a weak-signal station and the Net Control Station or to another relay station.  All Nets have pre-selected Net Control Operators, but relay stations are a valuable asset, especially those who, like those on this list, are close to the coast.

https://www.hwn.org/

 http://voipwx.net/

https://stormcarib.com/

 https://www.mmsn.org/

https://www.nhc.noaa.gov/

     If you have the Scanner Radio app on your smartphone or tablet (you can also access it on the Broadcastify website), some of these Nets are sometimes simulcast via Scanner Radio.

     It is too early to determine if Dorian will affect our area directly or indirectly.  For now, I would encourage all operators to monitor one or more of these Nets to become familiar with Net protocols and to serve as a relay station, if needed.

N0TAZ  -  LEON GRAUER

"False quotes will ruin the internet."  - Ben Franklin

From kc2vrj at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 15:40:22 2019
From: kc2vrj at gmail.com (Paul Nannery)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:40:22 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Warren Site
Message-ID: <CAJ+g-fG0pAbfVrtQT+H-s7GQo4h1QEpcguXHhhWQCmv9+y5+Ug@mail.gmail.com>

Members,
to answer some questions raised, the 25W limit is set by out current
equipment we can run up to 100W but No amp so we would need a new repeater
for that. our current will do 50 W the total system gain is 2.5 DB on both
TX and RX. site access will be limited to 2 persons however they can bring
help with them, and we can work on any of our equipment in out cabinet.
attached are estimated plots as well i just received word the state has
approved this. also this is long term. it is not dependent on one persons
as we will have an agreement in place. see below from the state.

 I discussed RVRC's potential use of the Warren tower site with the State.
They would be agreeable with certain conditions, most of which you and I
already discussed, and with which you indicated concurrance previously.  The
only new issue they brought up is cut and pasted below; I trust you will
have no objection to their requirements?

> Chuck will want to formalize with a no-charge agreement that makes the
> club aware of their maintenance obligations, site and tower access
> restrictions, and our security procedures.

The access/security procedures will likely require that only one or two
people are authorized for access.  The State is moving to an all-electronic
access system including a motorized gate across the access road to get into
the fenced compound.  Authorized persons will each be given an access card
to get into the compound; the card may not be used by anyone other than who
it is assigned to.  They may require notification prior to each access,
likely limited to weekday working hours as the new system notifies them
whenever someone swipes a card so they can monitor activity from Trenton via
the cameras at the site.

Just so we're clear, there will be no access to the tower (i.e.
climbing/installing equipment on the tower) by anyone other than the State's
authorized contractor, either initially or at any time in the future, since
you will be on the master antenna systems.

If you would like to move ahead, I'll work up a quote, and then have the
State draft the agreement for the club to sign.  Who would be the person
authorized to sign on behalf of the club?

to not miss this we need to quickly approve and move on this. below are the
emails about cost. the costs we gave at the meeting were high just be be
cretin we would not have a cost over run.

1.  Pricing below for the VHF combiner and multicoupler expansion channels
(I get a 30% discount):  $1708.70 + tax + shipping.  Figure $2000 total.
We'll do the integration and tuning as a favor to the club.

2.  Horizontal cabling.  T&M to run cables from the combiner/multicoupler
building out to your cabinet which will end up being about 100' or so away.
This has to be done by the State's approved contractor.  Assuming we use
7/8" cable, figure about 120' of cable for each run (one for Tx, one for
Rx), and a couple of hours to install with hangers, ground kits, etc., I
would guesstimate around $2000-2500.

3.  Outdoor equipment cabinet.  The existing cabinets that are there are
pretty rusty, I don't think you would want to use what remains.  Ideally it
should be a Motorola 6' outdoor cabinet as the area under the ice bridge is
set up to mount that type of cabinet, but it can probably be adapted to
whatever you have using angle steel/aluminum. About 3000.00

4.  Repeater.  Must be first-class, modern, commercial equipment (Motorola,
Tait, Kenwood, Harris, etc.).  No hammy stuff, no mobile radios, etc..  You
will not need, and you cannot add, any additional filtering, preamps, etc.
as it can adversely affect other channels on the system.  You will be
sharing antenna systems with state and federal agencies with three-letter
acronyms; any interference to them will surely end your stay, so it's in the
club's best interest to "do it once, do it right".

5.  Coordination.  I will require that you get your coordination modified
and approved before we proceed.  This is not unique to you - it is my
standard requirement whenever I let ham repeaters on sites that we own or
manage in order to avoid conflict of interest since I am involved in
frequency coordination (ARCC).  For the sake of calculating ERP, your net
antenna system gain (including the 120' of horizontal cabling loss,
combiner, feedline loss, antenna gain, etc.) will be 2.5 dBd.

6.  Electrical.  We can do the work for you at no cost as a favor to the
club.  You will be on the State's main (275 kW) diesel generator for backup
power.  If your repeater has provisions for a backup battery, be sure to use
a battery that will work/survive at the temperature extremes.  The State
will want to know your electric consumption, so I would strongly recommend a
switching power supply and keeping your power output reasonable (also goes
along with coordination).  The transmit antenna is a 4-bay dipole array at
880' AMSL (receive antenna at 940' AMSL) fed with 1-5/8" line - you're not
going to need much power...

I feel we should move on this and move quickly.

Thank you KC2VRJ

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 15:57:02 2019
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 15:57:02 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] 2 meter repeater proposed location
Message-ID: <007801d56036$420df890$c629e9b0$@net>

Members,

 

I have been in consultation with Paul, KC2VRJ, in reference to the
relocation of our 2 meter repeater to the state run tower.  

 

The state has given approval for our installation.  We need to make a
decision within a week or two.

 

I discussed the concerns we have expressed and in consideration with the
cost to locate on this tower.

 

The first and foremost concerns have been COVERAGE, ACCESS AND COST.

 

To the coverage question; computer modeling plots have been created showing
the coverage at 25 Watts and at 100 Watts.  Of course, the 100 Watt coverage
is better than the 25 Watt coverage. However, the plotted coverage at 25
Watts shows a very desired

Level even at 25 Watts. (Mainly due to the location and height).

 

We are allowed to run as much as 130 Watts but we are not allowed to use an
external power amplifier. So we are limited to the use of a commercial level
repeater (which is our ICOM model) and it's output is up to 50 Watts.

 

We, therefore, can run 50 Watts IF IT IS NEEDED. Paul suggested we start at
25 Watts (which will provide more reliability of equipment longevity.sans
failures) and we are allowed to raise the power to it's maximum output which
is 50 Watts IF IT BECOMES NEEDED.

 

We have complete access to our equipment for self servicing. We will never
have any expenses of servicing to antennas, feedlines or combiners...all
that will be serviced by the operator of the facility. We will be
responsible to cover the costs of any necessary maintenance to the filters
that we must purchase and they will install/tune. But we have never had to
perform service to duplexers once installed and working.

 

There are two antennas to this system...one for receive which provides a
high-gain antenna, large diameter feedline (low loss), and amplified
multi-coupler to provide sharing with other equipment.

The second antenna is also a high gain antenna and similar feedline with a
combiner to facilitate sharing with other transmitters.

 

This method of 'sharing' is very popular and is used at many locations
across the country and even abroad. 

 

We will be the ONLY 2 METER HAM REPEATER on this system and most likely on
the tower in total.

 

After speaking with Paul and reviewing the situation I feel it is an
EXCELLENT opportunity that we should jump on.

 

If we feel the need to raise the power from 25 Watts to provide some
specific area coverage, we can go to the limit of this repeater, 50 Watts.
(+3 DB) But the coverage provided by 25 Watts looks very good with even
handheld radios. While the coverage mapping

Did not show coverage using a 25 Watt mobile, it will be very solid going
from 5 Watts handheld to up over 7 DB with 25 Watts mobile.

 

I suggest we accept this and hurry before bad weather makes it difficult to
do the equipment installation.

 

73

Marv

K2vhw

 



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From krlund at centurylink.net  Sat Aug 31 16:02:21 2019
From: krlund at centurylink.net (Lund Datacom)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:02:21 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Warren Site
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Ok, this sounds good. But we cannot afford more than a few return 
repairs to the coax- what kind of warrantee are they putting into 
ensuring no water gets into the connectors, or lightning hitting the 
tower frying the coax. What annual maintnance fees will there be and 
what are we paying for electric and internet access. We still have the 
440 to eventually worry about and we are putting more than 1/2 our 
budget into this. It also completely blocks us from future experimental 
technologies until big carriers take them up- like when we wanted to 
start playing with digital modes. And this VHF combiner and multicoupler 
expansion channels thingy- I assume every few years needs tuning and 
lines need to be swept etc what's that going to cost and if the antenna 
we're sharing fails do we have to split the cost of it?

-- 
KC2OOP- RVRC Treasurer
Lund, Kenneth R.
(908)581-4947
krlund at centurylink.net



Paul Nannery wrote:

>Members,
>to answer some questions raised, the 25W limit is set by out current
>equipment we can run up to 100W but No amp so we would need a new repeater
>for that. our current will do 50 W the total system gain is 2.5 DB on both
>TX and RX. site access will be limited to 2 persons however they can bring
>help with them, and we can work on any of our equipment in out cabinet.
>attached are estimated plots as well i just received word the state has
>approved this. also this is long term. it is not dependent on one persons
>as we will have an agreement in place. see below from the state.
>
> I discussed RVRC's potential use of the Warren tower site with the State.
>They would be agreeable with certain conditions, most of which you and I
>already discussed, and with which you indicated concurrance previously.  The
>only new issue they brought up is cut and pasted below; I trust you will
>have no objection to their requirements?
>
>  
>
>>Chuck will want to formalize with a no-charge agreement that makes the
>>club aware of their maintenance obligations, site and tower access
>>restrictions, and our security procedures.
>>    
>>
>
>The access/security procedures will likely require that only one or two
>people are authorized for access.  The State is moving to an all-electronic
>access system including a motorized gate across the access road to get into
>the fenced compound.  Authorized persons will each be given an access card
>to get into the compound; the card may not be used by anyone other than who
>it is assigned to.  They may require notification prior to each access,
>likely limited to weekday working hours as the new system notifies them
>whenever someone swipes a card so they can monitor activity from Trenton via
>the cameras at the site.
>
>Just so we're clear, there will be no access to the tower (i.e.
>climbing/installing equipment on the tower) by anyone other than the State's
>authorized contractor, either initially or at any time in the future, since
>you will be on the master antenna systems.
>
>If you would like to move ahead, I'll work up a quote, and then have the
>State draft the agreement for the club to sign.  Who would be the person
>authorized to sign on behalf of the club?
>
>to not miss this we need to quickly approve and move on this. below are the
>emails about cost. the costs we gave at the meeting were high just be be
>cretin we would not have a cost over run.
>
>1.  Pricing below for the VHF combiner and multicoupler expansion channels
>(I get a 30% discount):  $1708.70 + tax + shipping.  Figure $2000 total.
>We'll do the integration and tuning as a favor to the club.
>
>2.  Horizontal cabling.  T&M to run cables from the combiner/multicoupler
>building out to your cabinet which will end up being about 100' or so away.
>This has to be done by the State's approved contractor.  Assuming we use
>7/8" cable, figure about 120' of cable for each run (one for Tx, one for
>Rx), and a couple of hours to install with hangers, ground kits, etc., I
>would guesstimate around $2000-2500.
>
>3.  Outdoor equipment cabinet.  The existing cabinets that are there are
>pretty rusty, I don't think you would want to use what remains.  Ideally it
>should be a Motorola 6' outdoor cabinet as the area under the ice bridge is
>set up to mount that type of cabinet, but it can probably be adapted to
>whatever you have using angle steel/aluminum. About 3000.00
>
>4.  Repeater.  Must be first-class, modern, commercial equipment (Motorola,
>Tait, Kenwood, Harris, etc.).  No hammy stuff, no mobile radios, etc..  You
>will not need, and you cannot add, any additional filtering, preamps, etc.
>as it can adversely affect other channels on the system.  You will be
>sharing antenna systems with state and federal agencies with three-letter
>acronyms; any interference to them will surely end your stay, so it's in the
>club's best interest to "do it once, do it right".
>
>5.  Coordination.  I will require that you get your coordination modified
>and approved before we proceed.  This is not unique to you - it is my
>standard requirement whenever I let ham repeaters on sites that we own or
>manage in order to avoid conflict of interest since I am involved in
>frequency coordination (ARCC).  For the sake of calculating ERP, your net
>antenna system gain (including the 120' of horizontal cabling loss,
>combiner, feedline loss, antenna gain, etc.) will be 2.5 dBd.
>
>6.  Electrical.  We can do the work for you at no cost as a favor to the
>club.  You will be on the State's main (275 kW) diesel generator for backup
>power.  If your repeater has provisions for a backup battery, be sure to use
>a battery that will work/survive at the temperature extremes.  The State
>will want to know your electric consumption, so I would strongly recommend a
>switching power supply and keeping your power output reasonable (also goes
>along with coordination).  The transmit antenna is a 4-bay dipole array at
>880' AMSL (receive antenna at 940' AMSL) fed with 1-5/8" line - you're not
>going to need much power...
>
>I feel we should move on this and move quickly.
>
>Thank you KC2VRJ
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 16:06:32 2019
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:06:32 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] ADDENDUM to my previous message
Message-ID: <007d01d56037$961f0220$c25d0660$@net>

RVRC members,

 

One topic I wish to highlight is on COSTS.

 

If we remember, the cost to purchase, install and maintain our own antenna,
feedline can cost several thousands of dollars..then we have the maintenance
and possible replacement costs. This Makes the $10k outlay for doing

This move a value.

 

The fact that the antenna system is maintained by the tower operator is well
worth the $10k that the entire installation will cost RVRC.

 

73

Marv

K2vhw

 



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From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 16:43:50 2019
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:43:50 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Warren Site
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	<5D6AD24D.5020408@centurylink.net>
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Ken,

This antenna system is THEIR SYSTEM. Other VHF systems will be sharing (but
no ther amateur 2 meters).
The tower operator owns the antennas, feedlines and combiner/multicoupler.
They will be maintaining all of it. 

NO ANNUAL MAINTENANCE FEES as this is a facility used by NJ State. If the
antenna system fails it will fail for 
All the state users as well and therefore require the tower operator to make
necessary repairs.

Lightning protection is about the most complete available. Of Course, we
will use our own 'cabinet-entry' surge protectors as that
Makes sense.

This tower is a commercial facility shared by state agencies. The
reliability has been engineered into the site.

If we were to be given free access to install our own antenna and feedlines,
our cost would most likely be in excess of $10K counting all the
Hardware, components and professional riggers costs. Then we would be on our
own for maintenance as well.  We have no liability for antenna system
Maintenance (and it will be maintained for the state and other users of the
multiplexed antennas).

As far as power......I am not certain of any fees but I'm certain we would
have the same costs at any other locations.
I believe Paul indicated there is internet access (one way or another) from
this location. 

Insofar as experimenting with other systems like digital, we would need to
examine that on an on-going basis. We aren't there yet.
But if it was determined to convert our 2 meter system to digital, we would
have the opportunity to remove our analog equipment and
Replace it with commercial level 2 meter digital equipment. This site has
limited space for UHF systems and that space is filled.
I will assume that any digital direction we move on will be in the 70 cm or
higher bands and we would need to work on that separately.

In today's world antenna space is difficult and becoming moreso with
restrictions everywhere. Our 2 meter system has been the backbone of
Our activities and I believe this is the best way to go as locations will
become even more difficult to get in time.

I am not convinced that access on Green Brook ridge is not achievable but
we'll need to work on that as we go for UHF.

The location, antenna height, freedom from antenna installation
costs/maintenance and coverage make this an excellent choice. We'd be
spending several
Thousands if we had to purchase all the antenna hardware and pay a rigger to
install it all, then we'd be totally responsible for all maintenance.

73
Marv
K2vhw


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From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Lund Datacom
Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2019 4:02 PM
To: Paul Nannery
Cc: RVRC mailpost
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Warren Site

Ok, this sounds good. But we cannot afford more than a few return 
repairs to the coax- what kind of warrantee are they putting into 
ensuring no water gets into the connectors, or lightning hitting the 
tower frying the coax. What annual maintnance fees will there be and 
what are we paying for electric and internet access. We still have the 
440 to eventually worry about and we are putting more than 1/2 our 
budget into this. It also completely blocks us from future experimental 
technologies until big carriers take them up- like when we wanted to 
start playing with digital modes. And this VHF combiner and multicoupler 
expansion channels thingy- I assume every few years needs tuning and 
lines need to be swept etc what's that going to cost and if the antenna 
we're sharing fails do we have to split the cost of it?

-- 
KC2OOP- RVRC Treasurer
Lund, Kenneth R.
(908)581-4947
krlund at centurylink.net



Paul Nannery wrote:

>Members,
>to answer some questions raised, the 25W limit is set by out current
>equipment we can run up to 100W but No amp so we would need a new repeater
>for that. our current will do 50 W the total system gain is 2.5 DB on both
>TX and RX. site access will be limited to 2 persons however they can bring
>help with them, and we can work on any of our equipment in out cabinet.
>attached are estimated plots as well i just received word the state has
>approved this. also this is long term. it is not dependent on one persons
>as we will have an agreement in place. see below from the state.
>
> I discussed RVRC's potential use of the Warren tower site with the State.
>They would be agreeable with certain conditions, most of which you and I
>already discussed, and with which you indicated concurrance previously.
The
>only new issue they brought up is cut and pasted below; I trust you will
>have no objection to their requirements?
>
>  
>
>>Chuck will want to formalize with a no-charge agreement that makes the
>>club aware of their maintenance obligations, site and tower access
>>restrictions, and our security procedures.
>>    
>>
>
>The access/security procedures will likely require that only one or two
>people are authorized for access.  The State is moving to an all-electronic
>access system including a motorized gate across the access road to get into
>the fenced compound.  Authorized persons will each be given an access card
>to get into the compound; the card may not be used by anyone other than who
>it is assigned to.  They may require notification prior to each access,
>likely limited to weekday working hours as the new system notifies them
>whenever someone swipes a card so they can monitor activity from Trenton
via
>the cameras at the site.
>
>Just so we're clear, there will be no access to the tower (i.e.
>climbing/installing equipment on the tower) by anyone other than the
State's
>authorized contractor, either initially or at any time in the future, since
>you will be on the master antenna systems.
>
>If you would like to move ahead, I'll work up a quote, and then have the
>State draft the agreement for the club to sign.  Who would be the person
>authorized to sign on behalf of the club?
>
>to not miss this we need to quickly approve and move on this. below are the
>emails about cost. the costs we gave at the meeting were high just be be
>cretin we would not have a cost over run.
>
>1.  Pricing below for the VHF combiner and multicoupler expansion channels
>(I get a 30% discount):  $1708.70 + tax + shipping.  Figure $2000 total.
>We'll do the integration and tuning as a favor to the club.
>
>2.  Horizontal cabling.  T&M to run cables from the combiner/multicoupler
>building out to your cabinet which will end up being about 100' or so away.
>This has to be done by the State's approved contractor.  Assuming we use
>7/8" cable, figure about 120' of cable for each run (one for Tx, one for
>Rx), and a couple of hours to install with hangers, ground kits, etc., I
>would guesstimate around $2000-2500.
>
>3.  Outdoor equipment cabinet.  The existing cabinets that are there are
>pretty rusty, I don't think you would want to use what remains.  Ideally it
>should be a Motorola 6' outdoor cabinet as the area under the ice bridge is
>set up to mount that type of cabinet, but it can probably be adapted to
>whatever you have using angle steel/aluminum. About 3000.00
>
>4.  Repeater.  Must be first-class, modern, commercial equipment (Motorola,
>Tait, Kenwood, Harris, etc.).  No hammy stuff, no mobile radios, etc..  You
>will not need, and you cannot add, any additional filtering, preamps, etc.
>as it can adversely affect other channels on the system.  You will be
>sharing antenna systems with state and federal agencies with three-letter
>acronyms; any interference to them will surely end your stay, so it's in
the
>club's best interest to "do it once, do it right".
>
>5.  Coordination.  I will require that you get your coordination modified
>and approved before we proceed.  This is not unique to you - it is my
>standard requirement whenever I let ham repeaters on sites that we own or
>manage in order to avoid conflict of interest since I am involved in
>frequency coordination (ARCC).  For the sake of calculating ERP, your net
>antenna system gain (including the 120' of horizontal cabling loss,
>combiner, feedline loss, antenna gain, etc.) will be 2.5 dBd.
>
>6.  Electrical.  We can do the work for you at no cost as a favor to the
>club.  You will be on the State's main (275 kW) diesel generator for backup
>power.  If your repeater has provisions for a backup battery, be sure to
use
>a battery that will work/survive at the temperature extremes.  The State
>will want to know your electric consumption, so I would strongly recommend
a
>switching power supply and keeping your power output reasonable (also goes
>along with coordination).  The transmit antenna is a 4-bay dipole array at
>880' AMSL (receive antenna at 940' AMSL) fed with 1-5/8" line - you're not
>going to need much power...
>
>I feel we should move on this and move quickly.
>
>Thank you KC2VRJ
>  
>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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From w2ca at verizon.net  Sat Aug 31 17:53:13 2019
From: w2ca at verizon.net (William Labos)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:53:13 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Warren Site
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My vote is yes, go for it.


Bill Labos

> On Aug 31, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Members,
> to answer some questions raised, the 25W limit is set by out current
> equipment we can run up to 100W but No amp so we would need a new repeater
> for that. our current will do 50 W the total system gain is 2.5 DB on both
> TX and RX. site access will be limited to 2 persons however they can bring
> help with them, and we can work on any of our equipment in out cabinet.
> attached are estimated plots as well i just received word the state has
> approved this. also this is long term. it is not dependent on one persons
> as we will have an agreement in place. see below from the state.
> 
> I discussed RVRC's potential use of the Warren tower site with the State.
> They would be agreeable with certain conditions, most of which you and I
> already discussed, and with which you indicated concurrance previously.  The
> only new issue they brought up is cut and pasted below; I trust you will
> have no objection to their requirements?
> 
>> Chuck will want to formalize with a no-charge agreement that makes the
>> club aware of their maintenance obligations, site and tower access
>> restrictions, and our security procedures.
> 
> The access/security procedures will likely require that only one or two
> people are authorized for access.  The State is moving to an all-electronic
> access system including a motorized gate across the access road to get into
> the fenced compound.  Authorized persons will each be given an access card
> to get into the compound; the card may not be used by anyone other than who
> it is assigned to.  They may require notification prior to each access,
> likely limited to weekday working hours as the new system notifies them
> whenever someone swipes a card so they can monitor activity from Trenton via
> the cameras at the site.
> 
> Just so we're clear, there will be no access to the tower (i.e.
> climbing/installing equipment on the tower) by anyone other than the State's
> authorized contractor, either initially or at any time in the future, since
> you will be on the master antenna systems.
> 
> If you would like to move ahead, I'll work up a quote, and then have the
> State draft the agreement for the club to sign.  Who would be the person
> authorized to sign on behalf of the club?
> 
> to not miss this we need to quickly approve and move on this. below are the
> emails about cost. the costs we gave at the meeting were high just be be
> cretin we would not have a cost over run.
> 
> 1.  Pricing below for the VHF combiner and multicoupler expansion channels
> (I get a 30% discount):  $1708.70 + tax + shipping.  Figure $2000 total.
> We'll do the integration and tuning as a favor to the club.
> 
> 2.  Horizontal cabling.  T&M to run cables from the combiner/multicoupler
> building out to your cabinet which will end up being about 100' or so away.
> This has to be done by the State's approved contractor.  Assuming we use
> 7/8" cable, figure about 120' of cable for each run (one for Tx, one for
> Rx), and a couple of hours to install with hangers, ground kits, etc., I
> would guesstimate around $2000-2500.
> 
> 3.  Outdoor equipment cabinet.  The existing cabinets that are there are
> pretty rusty, I don't think you would want to use what remains.  Ideally it
> should be a Motorola 6' outdoor cabinet as the area under the ice bridge is
> set up to mount that type of cabinet, but it can probably be adapted to
> whatever you have using angle steel/aluminum. About 3000.00
> 
> 4.  Repeater.  Must be first-class, modern, commercial equipment (Motorola,
> Tait, Kenwood, Harris, etc.).  No hammy stuff, no mobile radios, etc..  You
> will not need, and you cannot add, any additional filtering, preamps, etc.
> as it can adversely affect other channels on the system.  You will be
> sharing antenna systems with state and federal agencies with three-letter
> acronyms; any interference to them will surely end your stay, so it's in the
> club's best interest to "do it once, do it right".
> 
> 5.  Coordination.  I will require that you get your coordination modified
> and approved before we proceed.  This is not unique to you - it is my
> standard requirement whenever I let ham repeaters on sites that we own or
> manage in order to avoid conflict of interest since I am involved in
> frequency coordination (ARCC).  For the sake of calculating ERP, your net
> antenna system gain (including the 120' of horizontal cabling loss,
> combiner, feedline loss, antenna gain, etc.) will be 2.5 dBd.
> 
> 6.  Electrical.  We can do the work for you at no cost as a favor to the
> club.  You will be on the State's main (275 kW) diesel generator for backup
> power.  If your repeater has provisions for a backup battery, be sure to use
> a battery that will work/survive at the temperature extremes.  The State
> will want to know your electric consumption, so I would strongly recommend a
> switching power supply and keeping your power output reasonable (also goes
> along with coordination).  The transmit antenna is a 4-bay dipole array at
> 880' AMSL (receive antenna at 940' AMSL) fed with 1-5/8" line - you're not
> going to need much power...
> 
> I feel we should move on this and move quickly.
> 
> Thank you KC2VRJ
> ______________________________________________________________
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From kb2vrm at gmail.com  Sat Aug 31 23:55:33 2019
From: kb2vrm at gmail.com (Mike Christiansen)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 23:55:33 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Warren Site
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This sounds like the best thing I've heard about in a long time. My vote is
Yes.  Mike Christiansen

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019, 5:53 PM William Labos via RVRC <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
wrote:

> My vote is yes, go for it.
>
>
> Bill Labos
>
> > On Aug 31, 2019, at 3:40 PM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Members,
> > to answer some questions raised, the 25W limit is set by out current
> > equipment we can run up to 100W but No amp so we would need a new
> repeater
> > for that. our current will do 50 W the total system gain is 2.5 DB on
> both
> > TX and RX. site access will be limited to 2 persons however they can
> bring
> > help with them, and we can work on any of our equipment in out cabinet.
> > attached are estimated plots as well i just received word the state has
> > approved this. also this is long term. it is not dependent on one persons
> > as we will have an agreement in place. see below from the state.
> >
> > I discussed RVRC's potential use of the Warren tower site with the State.
> > They would be agreeable with certain conditions, most of which you and I
> > already discussed, and with which you indicated concurrance previously.
> The
> > only new issue they brought up is cut and pasted below; I trust you will
> > have no objection to their requirements?
> >
> >> Chuck will want to formalize with a no-charge agreement that makes the
> >> club aware of their maintenance obligations, site and tower access
> >> restrictions, and our security procedures.
> >
> > The access/security procedures will likely require that only one or two
> > people are authorized for access.  The State is moving to an
> all-electronic
> > access system including a motorized gate across the access road to get
> into
> > the fenced compound.  Authorized persons will each be given an access
> card
> > to get into the compound; the card may not be used by anyone other than
> who
> > it is assigned to.  They may require notification prior to each access,
> > likely limited to weekday working hours as the new system notifies them
> > whenever someone swipes a card so they can monitor activity from Trenton
> via
> > the cameras at the site.
> >
> > Just so we're clear, there will be no access to the tower (i.e.
> > climbing/installing equipment on the tower) by anyone other than the
> State's
> > authorized contractor, either initially or at any time in the future,
> since
> > you will be on the master antenna systems.
> >
> > If you would like to move ahead, I'll work up a quote, and then have the
> > State draft the agreement for the club to sign.  Who would be the person
> > authorized to sign on behalf of the club?
> >
> > to not miss this we need to quickly approve and move on this. below are
> the
> > emails about cost. the costs we gave at the meeting were high just be be
> > cretin we would not have a cost over run.
> >
> > 1.  Pricing below for the VHF combiner and multicoupler expansion
> channels
> > (I get a 30% discount):  $1708.70 + tax + shipping.  Figure $2000 total.
> > We'll do the integration and tuning as a favor to the club.
> >
> > 2.  Horizontal cabling.  T&M to run cables from the combiner/multicoupler
> > building out to your cabinet which will end up being about 100' or so
> away.
> > This has to be done by the State's approved contractor.  Assuming we use
> > 7/8" cable, figure about 120' of cable for each run (one for Tx, one for
> > Rx), and a couple of hours to install with hangers, ground kits, etc., I
> > would guesstimate around $2000-2500.
> >
> > 3.  Outdoor equipment cabinet.  The existing cabinets that are there are
> > pretty rusty, I don't think you would want to use what remains.  Ideally
> it
> > should be a Motorola 6' outdoor cabinet as the area under the ice bridge
> is
> > set up to mount that type of cabinet, but it can probably be adapted to
> > whatever you have using angle steel/aluminum. About 3000.00
> >
> > 4.  Repeater.  Must be first-class, modern, commercial equipment
> (Motorola,
> > Tait, Kenwood, Harris, etc.).  No hammy stuff, no mobile radios, etc..
> You
> > will not need, and you cannot add, any additional filtering, preamps,
> etc.
> > as it can adversely affect other channels on the system.  You will be
> > sharing antenna systems with state and federal agencies with three-letter
> > acronyms; any interference to them will surely end your stay, so it's in
> the
> > club's best interest to "do it once, do it right".
> >
> > 5.  Coordination.  I will require that you get your coordination modified
> > and approved before we proceed.  This is not unique to you - it is my
> > standard requirement whenever I let ham repeaters on sites that we own or
> > manage in order to avoid conflict of interest since I am involved in
> > frequency coordination (ARCC).  For the sake of calculating ERP, your net
> > antenna system gain (including the 120' of horizontal cabling loss,
> > combiner, feedline loss, antenna gain, etc.) will be 2.5 dBd.
> >
> > 6.  Electrical.  We can do the work for you at no cost as a favor to the
> > club.  You will be on the State's main (275 kW) diesel generator for
> backup
> > power.  If your repeater has provisions for a backup battery, be sure to
> use
> > a battery that will work/survive at the temperature extremes.  The State
> > will want to know your electric consumption, so I would strongly
> recommend a
> > switching power supply and keeping your power output reasonable (also
> goes
> > along with coordination).  The transmit antenna is a 4-bay dipole array
> at
> > 880' AMSL (receive antenna at 940' AMSL) fed with 1-5/8" line - you're
> not
> > going to need much power...
> >
> > I feel we should move on this and move quickly.
> >
> > Thank you KC2VRJ
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