From n2gj at amsat.org  Sat Aug  2 08:46:37 2014
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 08:46:37 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Kenny Lund KC2OOP
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsqT6-x-99D1qUfpUStfj9OBKtX0SEC=k=vgguG+ZOMBEw@mail.gmail.com>

Kenny - all the best on your birthday and best wishes for many more to
come!  Be safe!

Happy 30th!  73,


GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From radiomf at comcast.net  Sun Aug  3 13:39:47 2014
From: radiomf at comcast.net (Martin Friedman)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 13:39:47 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Interloper
Message-ID: <000001cfaf41$ebd91040$c38b30c0$@comcast.net>

Group.

 

As a control operator I have had to shut down the 2 meter repeater this
afternoon because of our NY interloper persistently hanging around. Today he
is using the call KC2BEG stating he is Pat from Brooklyn. That call is for a
Pat, but from Bronx. He still is asking for signal repots on his ic? 7000.
He has been keying up over our Sunday night nets for several weeks. I
suggest using high power or checking in on Allstar this evening

 

73,Marty WB2BEW


From marvbrons at verizon.net  Tue Aug  5 13:25:52 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2014 13:25:52 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Route 18 new const. project...
Message-ID: <308100A29E3D43BDB6E2E5460D903C72@marvbronsPC>

Central Jersey News Today
            Another construction project is in the offing on Rt. 18 

            8/5/2014


            Construction aimed at easing one of the worst traffic bottlenecks in Middlesex County is set to get underway soon. A $26 million project on Route 18 North will add a lane from just north of Westons Mill Pond -- right after the Turnpike's Interchange 9 -- to Route 1 South. The goal is to have three lanes that will ease congestion as traffic exiting the Turnpike merges. There's already a project well underway in East Brunswick revamping the Exit 9 set-up. The widening project is slated to start next Friday, the 15th, and last about two years. Most of the work will be done during off-peak hours. A public information session by the DOT will be held Tuesday from 4-7 pm at New Brunswick City Hall.
           
     

From radiomf at comcast.net  Sat Aug  9 18:24:18 2014
From: radiomf at comcast.net (Martin Friedman)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2014 18:24:18 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] RVRC Meeting this Wednesday
Message-ID: <000001cfb420$a91284b0$fb378e10$@comcast.net>

To all RVRC members and friends,

A message from our Vice President, Jim Nannery, KC2ZXP

 

At this Wednesday's meeting we will be having a guest speaker Mr Colin Mapp,
a Financial and estate planner talk to us about the benefits  and methods to
will your radio equipment to groups such as ours. This subject has been
asked about for some years now so If you are interested please don't miss
this meeting.

73, Marty WB2BEW

 


From drumor at optonline.net  Sun Aug 10 20:48:13 2014
From: drumor at optonline.net (E. Drew Moore)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 20:48:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RVRC] Q5 QRM
Message-ID: <1a508f4e.ea64d.147c289750a.Webtop.37@optonline.net>

http://tinyurl.com/lgxa9wz

This is a cute one.

73,
Drew

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sun Aug 10 23:06:47 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 23:06:47 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Wings of Freedom WW II aircraft coming...
Message-ID: <9728B4CA24B841AF9F35392C99D7F6AE@marvbronsPC>

http://patch.com/new-jersey/matawan-aberdeen/wings-freedom-nationwide-tour-coming-monmouth-airport

Wings of Freedom tour is coming to Monmouth County Airport August 20 ~ 25

B-17, B-24, P-51C among the WW II warbirds to be shown and flown!!!

73,
Marv
k2vhw

From gjurrens at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 00:08:50 2014
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 00:08:50 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Wedding Anniversary!
Message-ID: <A79756CE-9E9C-430D-BEFC-803D5722B1CF@gmail.com>

Wishing you and Sue good health and happiness in the years ahead. 73,

GJ
Sent from my iPhone5s
Pls 4give typos & brevity


From drumor at optonline.net  Wed Aug 13 07:51:12 2014
From: drumor at optonline.net (E. Drew Moore)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 07:51:12 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RVRC]  Happy Wedding Anniversary!
In-Reply-To: <A79756CE-9E9C-430D-BEFC-803D5722B1CF@gmail.com>
References: <A79756CE-9E9C-430D-BEFC-803D5722B1CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5c9cb063.eb06a.147cf35241d.Webtop.46@optonline.net>

Happy Anniversary Marty, WB2BEW, and Sue.

73,
Drew


On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Gerry Jurrens wrote:

> Wishing you and Sue good health and happiness in the years ahead. 73,
>
> GJ
> Sent from my iPhone5s
> Pls 4give typos & brevity
>
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From gjurrens at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 08:29:33 2014
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:29:33 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Wedding Anniversary!
In-Reply-To: <5c9cb063.eb06a.147cf35241d.Webtop.46@optonline.net>
References: <A79756CE-9E9C-430D-BEFC-803D5722B1CF@gmail.com>
	<5c9cb063.eb06a.147cf35241d.Webtop.46@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1CE1B61E-5195-4E3F-8E51-B12686B97937@gmail.com>

It's actually tomorrow, 8/14, but better early than late I say!

GJ
Sent from my iPhone5s
Pls 4give typos & brevity


> On Aug 13, 2014, at 7:51 AM, "E. Drew Moore" <drumor at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> Happy Anniversary Marty, WB2BEW, and Sue.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 12:08 AM, Gerry Jurrens wrote:
>> 
>> Wishing you and Sue good health and happiness in the years ahead. 73,
>> 
>> GJ
>> Sent from my iPhone5s
>> Pls 4give typos & brevity
>> 
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From rvrc at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug 13 11:34:58 2014
From: rvrc at mailman.qth.net (Pete Fierro via RVRC)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 08:34:58 -0700
Subject: [RVRC] Maybe 40 meters will be less crowded
Message-ID: <1407944098.97317.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

http://www.arrl.org/news/shortwave-broadcasting-of-marginal-and-continuously-declining-impact-committee-concludes

From pisymbol at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 18:57:10 2014
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (pisymbol .)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 18:57:10 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Maybe 40 meters will be less crowded
In-Reply-To: <1407944098.97317.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <1407944098.97317.YahooMailNeo@web161902.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fGHaMRjTfNctonyN7f7uZA-DirAw9GaWwrvNOfHmHyimQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Pete Fierro via RVRC <rvrc at mailman.qth.net
> wrote:

>
> http://www.arrl.org/news/shortwave-broadcasting-of-marginal-and-continuously-declining-impact-committee-concludes
>

Pete, did you just send around an announcement about the inevitable death
of shortwave radio over the Internet?

You are a cruel man, so cruel.... :-)

-aps (KC2ZSX)

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Thu Aug 14 21:40:34 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 21:40:34 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Labor day volunteers wanted
Message-ID: <BCD70CEA0DBB40219BD5D2B933629BE6@marvbronsPC>

Members,

Each year South Plainfield holds a Labor Day parade through town.  It's a sizeable event with much activity.  The newly formed SPARC (South Plainfield Amateur Radio Club) under SP-OEM, performs radio communications during the 5 K footrace, held prior to the parade and during the parade.

We are seeking amateur radio communications volunteers with 2 meter handheld radios to help with providing communications.  

Labor Day, September 1st.

Start time 6:30 a.m. (5K foot race)

End time 12 p.m. (approx.) for the parade which follows on the foot race course immediately following the end of the foot race.

The task will be to report/relay runners and parade participant's locations along the parade route and any urgent or routine messages required.

Please contact me, Marv Bronstein-K2VHW, if you are able and willing to help out.

k2vhw at verizon.net    

732-887-0875
 
P.S. There's a fun family event at the end of the parade with vendors, food and activities if you bring your family along.

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Mon Aug 18 11:10:11 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 11:10:11 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Amateur radio communications volunteers..
Message-ID: <EAD3B9ACBB5342B88A744E394A86AB42@marvbronsPC>

A side note: we need a few volunteers for this event.  If the start time is too early, 8 a..m. would also work but the earlier time was suggested so as to have the time to be briefed on the task.

Marv, K2VHW;
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Members,

Each year South Plainfield holds a Labor Day parade through town. It's a sizeable event with much activity. The newly formed SPARC (South Plainfield Amateur Radio Club) under SP-OEM, performs radio communications during the 5 K footrace, held prior to the parade and during the parade.

We are seeking amateur radio communications volunteers with 2 meter handheld radios to help with providing communications. 

Labor Day, September 1st.

Start time 6:30 a.m. (5K foot race)

End time 12 p.m. (approx.) for the parade which follows on the foot race course immediately following the end of the foot race.

The task will be to report/relay runners and parade participant's locations along the parade route and any urgent or routine messages required.

Please contact me, Marv Bronstein-K2VHW, if you are able and willing to help out.

k2vhw at verizon.net 

732-887-0875

P.S. There's a fun family event at the end of the parade with vendors, food and activities if you bring your family along.
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From asajm at optimum.net  Mon Aug 18 21:24:05 2014
From: asajm at optimum.net (asajm at optimum.net)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 01:24:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [RVRC] My new member ballot.
Message-ID: <e616f2f210b9.53f2a735@optonline.net>

I am reversing my vote to "NO". Because this is not being done according to the bylaws of the club.
John....WA2F

From kc2vrj at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 22:17:51 2014
From: kc2vrj at gmail.com (Paul Nannery)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 22:17:51 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Request for help.
Message-ID: <CAJ+g-fFu2WEO=3SK+7y7Vjf9UO_St0echWPQRLMytK9Q9DFiRA@mail.gmail.com>

To all,

This email is to advise of a public service Event and ask for help staffing
it  on Spet. 21 starting at 0700 and ending Approx. 1200. This is for a 5K
race in rartian Center.
The muster point will be Station 7 the address is 205 Raritan Center Pkwy;
Edison, New Jersey 08837. please respond with you availability ASAP This is
our first request for this event and can help with public awareness and
maybe even new members.

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Tue Aug 19 12:35:25 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:35:25 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
Message-ID: <2F2E895D34D643AE976878E7AC0E7816@marvbronsPC>

RVRC MEMBERS;

To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for new memberships. 
 .
Bringing new members is always a good foundation to operate an amateur radio club.  But in this case, the procedure is wrong.  (1) It is wrong on two counts; the RVRC Constitution and by-laws specifically spell out the requirement for two readings of the application.  The purpose of this specification is to make the membership familiar with the candidate.  It has always been the RESPONSIBILITY of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s) known to the membership campaign and prove the candidates qualification and suitability. (2) Then it is also important for the candidate to attend those two readings so the membership can become familiar with that candidate for whom the sponsors are asking for membership acceptance and it demonstrates a strong desire from the candidate to be an active member!
.
The summary discharge and ignorance of the rules are unacceptable!  What 'rules' will be next to be violated?  The officers can not make such a determination as to what 'rules' will be ignored or violated.  If it is the determination of the majority of voting members to suspend a rule....a vote must be taken.
. 
 I object to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and By-Laws; if we don't like a rule, change it first.
.
This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds like he would make a solid and valuable member.........but who knows?  The sponsors are responsible to present their candidate to the membership and the membership must have the opportunity to know who it is they're voting for membership.
.
If it is the desire of a voting member (full member) to change our Constitution and/or By-Laws and eliminate such requirements......then it must be submitted as such to the membership, at a meeting, then the membership has an opportunity to decide by VOTE!

This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major issue and violation of our rules.

Marv, K2VHW
k2vhw at verizon.net





Dear RVRC Club Member,

This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a candidates who has
applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio Club. The
information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the two required
club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer necessary,

Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant indicated in the
areas provided below.



Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI

Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ. His sponsors are
Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis Pharmaceuticals
as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous calls: KA2DKT, WN2HTW
and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates most bands.

Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence. He states he
needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work on club
activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur Radio
Association and is interested in special events and the technical committee.
Lee's other activities include Flying, music, biking, sports and
performance cars.
        

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Tue Aug 19 12:47:41 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 12:47:41 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] OBJECTION TO THIS BALLOT
Message-ID: <55B7B8CA5BF2462ABD42DFEEC2A48DB2@marvbronsPC>

I OBJECT TO THIS BALLOT AT THIS TIME.  IT IS IN ABSOLUTE VIOLATION OF RVRC CONSTITUTION AND BY-LAWS.

Marvin Bronstein, K2VHW
k2vhw at verizon.net



Dear RVRC Club Member,

This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a candidates who has
applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio Club. The
information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the two required
club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer necessary,

Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant indicated in the
areas provided below.



Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI

From rvrc at mailman.qth.net  Tue Aug 19 13:23:27 2014
From: rvrc at mailman.qth.net (Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 10:23:27 -0700
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
In-Reply-To: <2F2E895D34D643AE976878E7AC0E7816@marvbronsPC>
Message-ID: <1408469007.54660.YahooMailBasic@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

And this is an example of why RVRC is losing members and hardly gaining new ones, all this political quibbling and undermining each other all the time, spending money you don't have and not wanting to put effort into additional fundraising that I have been pushing for in the past. Who really wants to sit at meetings and listen to such counterproductive infighting and backstabbing? I even am considering not renewing my membership next January for reasons such as this among personal situations.  So please keep acting the way you all are and soon this club will just fold into nothing.   
  <smh in complete disgust!>


Susan
kb2sfh



?www.compassion.com


?
?

?
?
?

--------------------------------------------
On Tue, 8/19/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net> wrote:

 Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
 To: "RVRC Distribution" <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
 Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
 
 RVRC MEMBERS;
 
 To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for new
 memberships. 
  .
 Bringing new members is always a good foundation to operate
 an amateur radio club.? But in this case, the procedure
 is wrong.? (1) It is wrong on two counts; the RVRC
 Constitution and by-laws specifically spell out the
 requirement for two readings of the application.? The
 purpose of this specification is to make the membership
 familiar with the candidate.? It has always been the
 RESPONSIBILITY of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s)
 known to the membership campaign and prove the candidates
 qualification and suitability. (2) Then it is also important
 for the candidate to attend those two readings so the
 membership can become familiar with that candidate for whom
 the sponsors are asking for membership acceptance and it
 demonstrates a strong desire from the candidate to be an
 active member!
 .
 The summary discharge and ignorance of the rules are
 unacceptable!? What 'rules' will be next to be
 violated?? The officers can not make such a
 determination as to what 'rules' will be ignored or
 violated.? If it is the determination of the majority
 of voting members to suspend a rule....a vote must be
 taken.
 . 
  I object to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and
 By-Laws; if we don't like a rule, change it first.
 .
 This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds like he would make a
 solid and valuable member.........but who knows?? The
 sponsors are responsible to present their candidate to the
 membership and the membership must have the opportunity to
 know who it is they're voting for membership.
 .
 If it is the desire of a voting member (full member) to
 change our Constitution and/or By-Laws and eliminate such
 requirements......then it must be submitted as such to the
 membership, at a meeting, then the membership has an
 opportunity to decide by VOTE!
 
 This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major issue
 and violation of our rules.
 
 Marv, K2VHW
 k2vhw at verizon.net
 
 
 
 
 
 Dear RVRC Club Member,
 
 This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a
 candidates who has
 applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio
 Club. The
 information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the
 two required
 club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer
 necessary,
 
 Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant
 indicated in the
 areas provided below.
 
 
 
 Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI
 
 Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ.
 His sponsors are
 Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis
 Pharmaceuticals
 as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous calls:
 KA2DKT, WN2HTW
 and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates
 most bands.
 
 Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence.
 He states he
 needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work
 on club
 activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur
 Radio
 Association and is interested in special events and the
 technical committee.
 Lee's other activities include Flying, music, biking, sports
 and
 performance cars.
 ? ? ? ? 
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From drumor at optonline.net  Tue Aug 19 13:30:04 2014
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 13:30:04 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Regular Member Ballot for Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI
Message-ID: <006701cfbbd3$36fd0980$a4f71c80$@optonline.net>

I also object to this ballot and noted my objections before sending the
ballot out. I think Lee, K2EEI, is an excellent candidate for membership in
RVRC. However, This is not in line with our club documents that govern how
our club is run today. I would like the opportunity to meet the candidate
before voting. I was unable to meet him at the August Business meeting
because of a conflicting commitment. There was no business meeting in July
and if there was a business meeting at the hamfest I and many others were
unaware. As a hamfest chairman I would have known of such an event.

At this time my vote is not in support of the candidate/

Sorry for the bandwidth.

73,
Drew, W2OU 

-----Original Message-----
From: drew Moore [mailto:drumor at optonline.net] 
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2014 7:57 PM
To: drew Moore
Subject: Regular Member Ballot for Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI

Dear RVRC Club Member,

This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a candidates who has
applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio Club. The
information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the two required
club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer necessary,

Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant indicated in the
areas provided below.



Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI

Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ. His sponsors are
Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis Pharmaceuticals
as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous calls: KA2DKT, WN2HTW
and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates most bands.

Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence. He states he
needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work on club
activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur Radio
Association and is interested in special events and the technical committee.
Lee's other activities  include Flying, music, biking, sports and
performance cars.


A ballot for Regular membership is provided below for you to indicate your
vote to advance a member status for Lee. Please return the ballot as soon as
possible using e-mail. A tally of the votes received will be conducted prior
to the September 10, 2014 business meeting. 



Drew Moore, W2OU



*************************************************************************

September 10, 2014 B A L L O T



*For Full Membership:*


Lee  C. Lensky K2EEI  Yes___________ NO________







From kd2duk at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 17:13:59 2014
From: kd2duk at gmail.com (Anna Nannery)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:13:59 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
In-Reply-To: <1408469007.54660.YahooMailBasic@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <2F2E895D34D643AE976878E7AC0E7816@marvbronsPC>
	<1408469007.54660.YahooMailBasic@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtMukKULwUAEZ19APHO638rvyrDKQP41BrQWpbXC224yFOJWA@mail.gmail.com>

To RVRC Club,

I am very sorry to see these e-mails!!! Most people complaining were at the
meeting and did not object to sending out the ballot.  At the meeting was
the best place object.

For anyone not at the meeting one reason this membership was accepted is
because the candid showed up to the July meeting which was canceled.  This
was discussed at the meeting said to be his first meeting since he came
out.  Therefore, this was his second meeting.  No one at the meeting
objected at any point of the discussing or when asked about send out this
e-mail.

I agree with Sue (kb2sfh) that the political quibbling and undermining each
other all the time is a shame and needs to stop.

Anna Nannery
kd2duk


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC <
rvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> And this is an example of why RVRC is losing members and hardly gaining
> new ones, all this political quibbling and undermining each other all the
> time, spending money you don't have and not wanting to put effort into
> additional fundraising that I have been pushing for in the past. Who really
> wants to sit at meetings and listen to such counterproductive infighting
> and backstabbing? I even am considering not renewing my membership next
> January for reasons such as this among personal situations.  So please keep
> acting the way you all are and soon this club will just fold into nothing.
>   <smh in complete disgust!>
>
>
> Susan
> kb2sfh
>
>
>
>  www.compassion.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 8/19/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
>  To: "RVRC Distribution" <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
>  Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
>
>  RVRC MEMBERS;
>
>  To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for new
>  memberships.
>   .
>  Bringing new members is always a good foundation to operate
>  an amateur radio club.  But in this case, the procedure
>  is wrong.  (1) It is wrong on two counts; the RVRC
>  Constitution and by-laws specifically spell out the
>  requirement for two readings of the application.  The
>  purpose of this specification is to make the membership
>  familiar with the candidate.  It has always been the
>  RESPONSIBILITY of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s)
>  known to the membership campaign and prove the candidates
>  qualification and suitability. (2) Then it is also important
>  for the candidate to attend those two readings so the
>  membership can become familiar with that candidate for whom
>  the sponsors are asking for membership acceptance and it
>  demonstrates a strong desire from the candidate to be an
>  active member!
>  .
>  The summary discharge and ignorance of the rules are
>  unacceptable!  What 'rules' will be next to be
>  violated?  The officers can not make such a
>  determination as to what 'rules' will be ignored or
>  violated.  If it is the determination of the majority
>  of voting members to suspend a rule....a vote must be
>  taken.
>  .
>   I object to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and
>  By-Laws; if we don't like a rule, change it first.
>  .
>  This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds like he would make a
>  solid and valuable member.........but who knows?  The
>  sponsors are responsible to present their candidate to the
>  membership and the membership must have the opportunity to
>  know who it is they're voting for membership.
>  .
>  If it is the desire of a voting member (full member) to
>  change our Constitution and/or By-Laws and eliminate such
>  requirements......then it must be submitted as such to the
>  membership, at a meeting, then the membership has an
>  opportunity to decide by VOTE!
>
>  This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major issue
>  and violation of our rules.
>
>  Marv, K2VHW
>  k2vhw at verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>
>  Dear RVRC Club Member,
>
>  This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a
>  candidates who has
>  applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio
>  Club. The
>  information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the
>  two required
>  club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer
>  necessary,
>
>  Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant
>  indicated in the
>  areas provided below.
>
>
>
>  Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI
>
>  Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ.
>  His sponsors are
>  Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis
>  Pharmaceuticals
>  as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous calls:
>  KA2DKT, WN2HTW
>  and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates
>  most bands.
>
>  Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence.
>  He states he
>  needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work
>  on club
>  activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur
>  Radio
>  Association and is interested in special events and the
>  technical committee.
>  Lee's other activities include Flying, music, biking, sports
>  and
>  performance cars.
>
>  ______________________________________________________________
>  RVRC mailing list
>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/rvrc
>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
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From radiomf at comcast.net  Tue Aug 19 17:41:08 2014
From: radiomf at comcast.net (Martin Friedman)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 17:41:08 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
In-Reply-To: <CAMtMukKULwUAEZ19APHO638rvyrDKQP41BrQWpbXC224yFOJWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2F2E895D34D643AE976878E7AC0E7816@marvbronsPC>	<1408469007.54660.YahooMailBasic@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMtMukKULwUAEZ19APHO638rvyrDKQP41BrQWpbXC224yFOJWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cfbbf6$49a9afc0$dcfd0f40$@comcast.net>

 To be accurate, The candidate was planning to drive from work to attend the
July meeting, but I was able to notify him in time that it was cancelled.
This really has no bearing on the matter at hand.
Marty, WB2BEW

-----Original Message-----
From: RVRC [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Anna Nannery
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:14 PM
To: Susan Frances Terregino
Cc: RVRC Distribution
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI

To RVRC Club,

I am very sorry to see these e-mails!!! Most people complaining were at the
meeting and did not object to sending out the ballot.  At the meeting was
the best place object.

For anyone not at the meeting one reason this membership was accepted is
because the candid showed up to the July meeting which was canceled.  This
was discussed at the meeting said to be his first meeting since he came out.
Therefore, this was his second meeting.  No one at the meeting objected at
any point of the discussing or when asked about send out this e-mail.

I agree with Sue (kb2sfh) that the political quibbling and undermining each
other all the time is a shame and needs to stop.

Anna Nannery
kd2duk


On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC <
rvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

> And this is an example of why RVRC is losing members and hardly 
> gaining new ones, all this political quibbling and undermining each 
> other all the time, spending money you don't have and not wanting to 
> put effort into additional fundraising that I have been pushing for in 
> the past. Who really wants to sit at meetings and listen to such 
> counterproductive infighting and backstabbing? I even am considering 
> not renewing my membership next January for reasons such as this among 
> personal situations.  So please keep acting the way you all are and soon
this club will just fold into nothing.
>   <smh in complete disgust!>
>
>
> Susan
> kb2sfh
>
>
>
>  www.compassion.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --------------------------------------------
> On Tue, 8/19/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>  Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
>  To: "RVRC Distribution" <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
>  Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 12:35 PM
>
>  RVRC MEMBERS;
>
>  To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for new  
> memberships.
>   .
>  Bringing new members is always a good foundation to operate  an 
> amateur radio club.  But in this case, the procedure  is wrong.  (1) 
> It is wrong on two counts; the RVRC  Constitution and by-laws 
> specifically spell out the  requirement for two readings of the 
> application.  The  purpose of this specification is to make the 
> membership  familiar with the candidate.  It has always been the  
> RESPONSIBILITY of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s)  known to 
> the membership campaign and prove the candidates  qualification and 
> suitability. (2) Then it is also important  for the candidate to 
> attend those two readings so the  membership can become familiar with 
> that candidate for whom  the sponsors are asking for membership 
> acceptance and it  demonstrates a strong desire from the candidate to 
> be an  active member!
>  .
>  The summary discharge and ignorance of the rules are  unacceptable!  
> What 'rules' will be next to be  violated?  The officers can not make 
> such a  determination as to what 'rules' will be ignored or  violated.  
> If it is the determination of the majority  of voting members to 
> suspend a rule....a vote must be  taken.
>  .
>   I object to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and  By-Laws; 
> if we don't like a rule, change it first.
>  .
>  This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds like he would make a  solid and 
> valuable member.........but who knows?  The  sponsors are responsible 
> to present their candidate to the  membership and the membership must 
> have the opportunity to  know who it is they're voting for membership.
>  .
>  If it is the desire of a voting member (full member) to  change our 
> Constitution and/or By-Laws and eliminate such  requirements......then 
> it must be submitted as such to the  membership, at a meeting, then 
> the membership has an  opportunity to decide by VOTE!
>
>  This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major issue  and 
> violation of our rules.
>
>  Marv, K2VHW
>  k2vhw at verizon.net
>
>
>
>
>
>  Dear RVRC Club Member,
>
>  This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a  candidates who 
> has  applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio  Club. 
> The  information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the  two 
> required  club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer  
> necessary,
>
>  Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant  indicated in 
> the  areas provided below.
>
>
>
>  Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI
>
>  Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ.
>  His sponsors are
>  Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis  
> Pharmaceuticals  as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous 
> calls:
>  KA2DKT, WN2HTW
>  and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates  most 
> bands.
>
>  Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence.
>  He states he
>  needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work  on club  
> activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur  Radio  
> Association and is interested in special events and the  technical 
> committee.
>  Lee's other activities include Flying, music, biking, sports  and  
> performance cars.
>
>  ______________________________________________________________
>  RVRC mailing list
>  Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/rvrc
>  Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>  Post: mailto:RVRC at mailman.qth.net
>
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> email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
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>
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From marvbrons at verizon.net  Wed Aug 20 04:33:58 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 04:33:58 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
In-Reply-To: <CAMtMukKULwUAEZ19APHO638rvyrDKQP41BrQWpbXC224yFOJWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2F2E895D34D643AE976878E7AC0E7816@marvbronsPC>
	<1408469007.54660.YahooMailBasic@web161704.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMtMukKULwUAEZ19APHO638rvyrDKQP41BrQWpbXC224yFOJWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A119971E5C134FD39A3BF068D00BDD20@marvbronsPC>

But if the By-Laws and Constitution ARE to be 
effective ''for the club's well-being'', then it is important to be 
followed! There is and has always been a standard policy and method of 
accepting new members. Yes, we want new members......and.........we want 
members to be 'active'. It remains in the large part, the responsibility of 
the 'sponsors' to campaign for and make their candidate known to the 
members. This doesn't have to be a long-drawn-out process but a simple 
pathway for membership.
Introduce the candidate, give the candidate 2 meetings to be familiar with 
the members and vice-versa and then take a vote!! Simple! Expected!
(It was said that we had about 90 members before this year; it wasn't the membership
rules that discouraged their joining nor caused their leaving!)
RVRC has existed for 80+ years following 
it's established rules.

Additionally,

Yes, we do want membership..........but if it's only because RVRC wants their 'dues' 
then I feel the effort is misdirected. If the club direction is to create 
expensive projects that involve only spending on ''the repeaters'', then the 
real effort should be in FUNDRAISING as Susan had pointed out.

Let's face this fact, folks, RVRC does absolutely NOTHING except the one 
fund-raising event....."hamfest". Of the 60+ members in the club, how many 
use our repeaters? Perhaps the remainder of the membership had joined to 
experience more activities! We lost 30% of our membership just this 
year.....all at one time!
If it is the desire of the membership to pursue only development and 
maintainance of the repeaters, doubling our membership will not provide the 
funds needed and other fund raising programs must be entertained; Susan's 
point.
Here is an excerpt from the ARRL ''The Club President's Handbook"

Maintaining Interest;
Occasionally, when there is a lot of business to discuss, the club can spend 
a profitable evening without a program, but a club that tries to exist for 
very long this way will find itself gradually losing attendance. It is 
important to have a program of some sort, and preferably one that will be of 
interest to a majority of club members.

Members are the lifeblood of the club. They are difficult to find, more 
difficult to keep, and at times, difficult to work with. Members come in a 
wide variety of shapes, colors, sizes, backgrounds, skills experience, and 
levels of motivations. They have their own reasons for participating and 
their own specific needs which must be met if they are to continue to be 
members.

The 'club' is even more, a social club where members share their activities,
experiences, knowledge and love of ham radio!

The failure to ''maintain interest'' is the reason we have lost membership, not
because of our membership acceptance policy and procedures.

Let's just follow the way we've been accepting new members and when changes are 
desired...........someone propose it and change the rules....by VOTE!

73,
Marv
k2vhw
P.S. A good beginning to revitalize RVRC would be for the president to create an "activities committee'', appoint a 'chairperson' and
bring programs into the meetings.  We have many members with a large variety of skills who could present short programs of their skills at meetings.
We should be inviting guests and radio amateurs to present ham radio and electronics programs at meetings. There is little better than ''hands-on'' programs to  infuse interest! (Even a video of interest can work!) 

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Anna Nannery 
  To: Susan Frances Terregino 
  Cc: RVRC Distribution ; Marvin Bronstein 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI


  To RVRC Club,


  I am very sorry to see these e-mails!!! Most people complaining were at the meeting and did not object to sending out the ballot.?  At the meeting was the best place object.?  


  For anyone not at the meeting one reason this membership was accepted is because the candid showed up to the July meeting which was canceled.?  This was discussed at the meeting said to be his first meeting since he came out.?  Therefore, this was his second meeting.?  No one at the meeting objected at any point of the discussing or when asked about send out this e-mail. ? ?  ?  


  I agree with Sue (kb2sfh) that the political quibbling and undermining each other all the time is a shame and needs to stop.?  


  Anna Nannery

  kd2duk




  On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC <rvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:

    And this is an example of why RVRC is losing members and hardly gaining new ones, all this political quibbling and undermining each other all the time, spending money you don't have and not wanting to put effort into additional fundraising that I have been pushing for in the past. Who really wants to sit at meetings and listen to such counterproductive infighting and backstabbing? I even am considering not renewing my membership next January for reasons such as this among personal situations.?  So please keep acting the way you all are and soon this club will just fold into nothing.
    ?  <smh in complete disgust!>


    Susan
    kb2sfh



    ? www.compassion.com


    ? 
    ? 

    ? 
    ? 
    ? 

    --------------------------------------------
    On Tue, 8/19/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net> wrote:

    ? Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
    ? To: "RVRC Distribution" <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
    ? Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 12:35 PM


    ? RVRC MEMBERS;

    ? To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for new
    ? memberships.
    ?  .
    ? Bringing new members is always a good foundation to operate
    ? an amateur radio club.?  But in this case, the procedure
    ? is wrong.?  (1) It is wrong on two counts; the RVRC
    ? Constitution and by-laws specifically spell out the
    ? requirement for two readings of the application.?  The
    ? purpose of this specification is to make the membership
    ? familiar with the candidate.?  It has always been the
    ? RESPONSIBILITY of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s)
    ? known to the membership campaign and prove the candidates
    ? qualification and suitability. (2) Then it is also important
    ? for the candidate to attend those two readings so the
    ? membership can become familiar with that candidate for whom
    ? the sponsors are asking for membership acceptance and it
    ? demonstrates a strong desire from the candidate to be an
    ? active member!
    ? .
    ? The summary discharge and ignorance of the rules are
    ? unacceptable!?  What 'rules' will be next to be
    ? violated??  The officers can not make such a
    ? determination as to what 'rules' will be ignored or
    ? violated.?  If it is the determination of the majority
    ? of voting members to suspend a rule....a vote must be
    ? taken.
    ? .
    ?  I object to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and
    ? By-Laws; if we don't like a rule, change it first.
    ? .
    ? This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds like he would make a
    ? solid and valuable member.........but who knows??  The
    ? sponsors are responsible to present their candidate to the
    ? membership and the membership must have the opportunity to
    ? know who it is they're voting for membership.
    ? .
    ? If it is the desire of a voting member (full member) to
    ? change our Constitution and/or By-Laws and eliminate such
    ? requirements......then it must be submitted as such to the
    ? membership, at a meeting, then the membership has an
    ? opportunity to decide by VOTE!

    ? This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major issue
    ? and violation of our rules.

    ? Marv, K2VHW
    ? k2vhw at verizon.net





    ? Dear RVRC Club Member,

    ? This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a
    ? candidates who has
    ? applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley Radio
    ? Club. The
    ? information for the candidate has been NOT been read at the
    ? two required
    ? club meetings and certain individuals feel it's no longer
    ? necessary,

    ? Please respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant
    ? indicated in the
    ? areas provided below.



    ? Lee C. Lensky, K2EEI

    ? Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ.
    ? His sponsors are
    ? Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by Novartis
    ? Pharmaceuticals
    ? as IT director, architect. Lee has held the previous calls:
    ? KA2DKT, WN2HTW
    ? and WA2HTW. He3 has never been denied a license and operates
    ? most bands.

    ? Lee is getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence.
    ? He states he
    ? needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to work
    ? on club
    ? activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State Amateur
    ? Radio
    ? Association and is interested in special events and the
    ? technical committee.
    ? Lee's other activities include Flying, music, biking, sports
    ? and
    ? performance cars.
    ? ?  ?  ?  ? 
    ? ______________________________________________________________
    ? RVRC mailing list
    ? Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/rvrc
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From rvrc at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug 20 10:01:26 2014
From: rvrc at mailman.qth.net (Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:01:26 -0700
Subject: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
Message-ID: <1408543286.57606.YahooMailBasic@web161702.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

And in addition, raising?already high dues to try to make up for lost members and lack of new members and the endless growing debt on the already existing members and associates isn't fair. And I have a few comments on the 440 repeater being permanently linked to what seems like the entire Eastern seaboard. It disgusts me to be paying high dues every year and finding the 440 repeater almost constantly tied up by out of state hams on the link. I feel like I am paying to support 2 repeaters of which one I can almost never use when I do turn on the radio. Please consider terminating the link and if someone from out of state wants to use the repeater then they can utilize the echolink or irlp.? I would like to hear from the membership how they feel about the 440 being linked and overrun to the point they can't even use their own club repeater which makes it worse if the 2 meter is in use at the time. I'm all for sharing the use of open repeaters in the
 spirit of ham radio but this is out of hand.

Susan


?www.compassion.com


?
?

?
?
?

--------------------------------------------
On Wed, 8/20/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
 To: "Anna Nannery" <kd2duk at gmail.com>
 Date: Wednesday, August 20, 2014, 4:33 AM
 
 But if the By-Laws and
 Constitution ARE to be 
 effective
 ''for the club's well-being'', then it
 is important to be 
 followed! There is and
 has always been a standard policy and method of 
 accepting new members. Yes, we want new
 members......and.........we want 
 members to
 be 'active'. It remains in the large part, the
 responsibility of 
 the 'sponsors' to
 campaign for and make their candidate known to the 
 members. This doesn't have to be a
 long-drawn-out process but a simple 
 pathway
 for membership.
 Introduce the candidate,
 give the candidate 2 meetings to be familiar with 
 the members and vice-versa and then take a
 vote!! Simple! Expected!
 (It was said that
 we had about 90 members before this year; it wasn't the
 membership
 rules that discouraged their
 joining nor caused their leaving!)
 RVRC has
 existed for 80+ years following 
 it's
 established rules.
 
 Additionally,
 
 Yes, we do want membership..........but if
 it's only because RVRC wants their 'dues' 
 then I feel the effort is misdirected. If the
 club direction is to create 
 expensive
 projects that involve only spending on ''the
 repeaters'', then the 
 real effort
 should be in FUNDRAISING as Susan had pointed out.
 
 Let's face this fact,
 folks, RVRC does absolutely NOTHING except the one 
 fund-raising event....."hamfest". Of
 the 60+ members in the club, how many 
 use
 our repeaters? Perhaps the remainder of the membership had
 joined to 
 experience more activities! We
 lost 30% of our membership just this 
 year.....all at one time!
 If it
 is the desire of the membership to pursue only development
 and 
 maintainance of the repeaters, doubling
 our membership will not provide the 
 funds
 needed and other fund raising programs must be entertained;
 Susan's 
 point.
 Here is
 an excerpt from the ARRL ''The Club President's
 Handbook"
 
 Maintaining
 Interest;
 Occasionally, when there is a lot
 of business to discuss, the club can spend 
 a profitable evening without a program, but a
 club that tries to exist for 
 very long this
 way will find itself gradually losing attendance. It is 
 important to have a program of some sort, and
 preferably one that will be of 
 interest to
 a majority of club members.
 
 Members are the lifeblood of the club. They are
 difficult to find, more 
 difficult to keep,
 and at times, difficult to work with. Members come in a 
 wide variety of shapes, colors, sizes,
 backgrounds, skills experience, and 
 levels
 of motivations. They have their own reasons for
 participating and 
 their own specific needs
 which must be met if they are to continue to be 
 members.
 
 The
 'club' is even more, a social club where members
 share their activities,
 experiences,
 knowledge and love of ham radio!
 
 The failure to ''maintain
 interest'' is the reason we have lost membership,
 not
 because of our membership acceptance
 policy and procedures.
 
 Let's just follow the way we've been
 accepting new members and when changes are 
 desired...........someone propose it and change
 the rules....by VOTE!
 
 73,
 Marv
 k2vhw
 P.S. A good beginning to
 revitalize RVRC would be for the president to create an
 "activities committee'', appoint a
 'chairperson' and
 bring programs
 into the meetings.? We have many members with a large
 variety of skills who could present short programs of their
 skills at meetings.
 We should be inviting
 guests and radio amateurs to present ham radio and
 electronics programs at meetings. There is little better
 than ''hands-on'' programs to? infuse
 interest! (Even a video of interest can work!) 
 
 ? ----- Original Message
 ----- 
 ? From: Anna Nannery 
 ? To: Susan Frances Terregino 
 ? Cc: RVRC Distribution ; Marvin Bronstein 
 ? Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 5:13 PM
 ? Subject: Re: [RVRC] Ballot for membership,
 K2EEI
 
 
 ?
 To RVRC Club,
 
 
 ? I am very sorry to see these e-mails!!! Most
 people complaining were at the meeting and did not object to
 sending out the ballot.?? At the meeting was the best
 place object.?? 
 
 
 ? For anyone not at the meeting one reason
 this membership was accepted is because the candid showed up
 to the July meeting which was canceled.?? This was
 discussed at the meeting said to be his first meeting since
 he came out.?? Therefore, this was his second meeting.??
 No one at the meeting objected at any point of the
 discussing or when asked about send out this e-mail. ? ??
 ?? 
 
 
 ? I
 agree with Sue (kb2sfh) that the political quibbling and
 undermining each other all the time is a shame and needs to
 stop.?? 
 
 
 ? Anna Nannery
 
 ? kd2duk
 
 
 
 
 ? On Tue,
 Aug 19, 2014 at 1:23 PM, Susan Frances Terregino via RVRC
 <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
 wrote:
 
 ? ? And this is an
 example of why RVRC is losing members and hardly gaining new
 ones, all this political quibbling and undermining each
 other all the time, spending money you don't have and
 not wanting to put effort into additional fundraising that I
 have been pushing for in the past. Who really wants to sit
 at meetings and listen to such counterproductive infighting
 and backstabbing? I even am considering not renewing my
 membership next January for reasons such as this among
 personal situations.?? So please keep acting the way you
 all are and soon this club will just fold into nothing.
 ? ? ?? <smh in complete disgust!>
 
 
 ? ?
 Susan
 ? ? kb2sfh
 
 
 
 ? ? ?
 www.compassion.com
 
 
 ? ? ? 
 ? ? ? 
 
 ? ? ? 
 ?
 ? ? 
 ? ? ? 
 
 ? ?
 --------------------------------------------
 ? ? On Tue, 8/19/14, Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
 wrote:
 
 ? ? ? Subject:
 [RVRC] Ballot for membership, K2EEI
 ? ? ?
 To: "RVRC Distribution" <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
 ? ? ? Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2014, 12:35
 PM
 
 
 ? ?
 ? RVRC MEMBERS;
 
 ? ? ?
 To begin with I wish to express my strong approval for
 new
 ? ? ? memberships.
 ?
 ? ?? .
 ? ? ? Bringing new members is
 always a good foundation to operate
 ? ? ?
 an amateur radio club.?? But in this case, the
 procedure
 ? ? ? is wrong.?? (1) It is
 wrong on two counts; the RVRC
 ? ? ?
 Constitution and by-laws specifically spell out the
 ? ? ? requirement for two readings of the
 application.?? The
 ? ? ? purpose of
 this specification is to make the membership
 ? ? ? familiar with the candidate.?? It
 has always been the
 ? ? ? RESPONSIBILITY
 of the SPONSORS to make their candidate(s)
 ? ? ? known to the membership campaign and
 prove the candidates
 ? ? ? qualification
 and suitability. (2) Then it is also important
 ? ? ? for the candidate to attend those two
 readings so the
 ? ? ? membership can
 become familiar with that candidate for whom
 ? ? ? the sponsors are asking for membership
 acceptance and it
 ? ? ? demonstrates a
 strong desire from the candidate to be an
 ?
 ? ? active member!
 ? ? ? .
 ? ? ? The summary discharge and ignorance of
 the rules are
 ? ? ? unacceptable!??
 What 'rules' will be next to be
 ?
 ? ? violated??? The officers can not make such a
 ? ? ? determination as to what
 'rules' will be ignored or
 ? ? ?
 violated.?? If it is the determination of the majority
 ? ? ? of voting members to suspend a
 rule....a vote must be
 ? ? ? taken.
 ? ? ? .
 ? ? ?? I object
 to this behavior of ignoring the Constitution and
 ? ? ? By-Laws; if we don't like a rule,
 change it first.
 ? ? ? .
 ? ? ? This candidate, Lee, K2EEI, sounds
 like he would make a
 ? ? ? solid and
 valuable member.........but who knows??? The
 ? ? ? sponsors are responsible to present
 their candidate to the
 ? ? ? membership
 and the membership must have the opportunity to
 ? ? ? know who it is they're voting for
 membership.
 ? ? ? .
 ? ?
 ? If it is the desire of a voting member (full member)
 to
 ? ? ? change our Constitution and/or
 By-Laws and eliminate such
 ? ? ?
 requirements......then it must be submitted as such to
 the
 ? ? ? membership, at a meeting, then
 the membership has an
 ? ? ? opportunity
 to decide by VOTE!
 
 ? ? ?
 This issue is not a 'simple' issue. This is a major
 issue
 ? ? ? and violation of our
 rules.
 
 ? ? ? Marv,
 K2VHW
 ? ? ? k2vhw at verizon.net
 
 
 
 
 
 ? ? ? Dear
 RVRC Club Member,
 
 ? ? ?
 This mailing is to provide you with a Ballot for a
 ? ? ? candidates who has
 ?
 ? ? applied for regular membership to the Raritan Valley
 Radio
 ? ? ? Club. The
 ?
 ? ? information for the candidate has been NOT been read
 at the
 ? ? ? two required
 ? ? ? club meetings and certain individuals
 feel it's no longer
 ? ? ?
 necessary,
 
 ? ? ? Please
 respond with a yes or no vote for the applicant
 ? ? ? indicated in the
 ? ?
 ? areas provided below.
 
 
 
 ? ? ? Lee
 C. Lensky, K2EEI
 
 ? ? ?
 Lee, a General class operator, is from Highland Park, NJ.
 ? ? ? His sponsors are
 ? ?
 ? Craig, AC2FE and Mike, KB2VRM. He is a employed by
 Novartis
 ? ? ? Pharmaceuticals
 ? ? ? as IT director, architect. Lee has
 held the previous calls:
 ? ? ? KA2DKT,
 WN2HTW
 ? ? ? and WA2HTW. He3 has never
 been denied a license and operates
 ? ? ?
 most bands.
 
 ? ? ? Lee is
 getting back into the hobby after a 27 year absence.
 ? ? ? He states he
 ? ? ?
 needs plenty of elmering and would like to volunteer to
 work
 ? ? ? on club
 ? ?
 ? activities. Lee was associated with the Garden State
 Amateur
 ? ? ? Radio
 ? ?
 ? Association and is interested in special events and
 the
 ? ? ? technical committee.
 ? ? ? Lee's other activities include
 Flying, music, biking, sports
 ? ? ?
 and
 ? ? ? performance cars.
 ? ? ? ?? ?? ?? ? 
 ?
 ? ?
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 ?
 ? ? Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/rvrc
 ? ? ? Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
 ? ? ? Post: mailto:RVRC at mailman.qth.net
 
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From rvrc at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug 20 10:02:32 2014
From: rvrc at mailman.qth.net (Marty via RVRC)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:02:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RVRC] New Member
Message-ID: <8D18A968539F609-236C-A0CD@webmail-vm044.sysops.aol.com>


At this time I am opposed to voting yes on the new member. 

If there was only one reading there must be a second reading with the member present.

Circumventing the bylaws just does not fly. And you can't change the bylaws with out the change being proposed, read at several meetings and then voted on.

We all went through the process so why should anyone else be different.

I am in favor of bringing in new members and once there is a second reading I will cast my ballot.

Marty
KB2JSG

From drumor at optonline.net  Wed Aug 20 13:48:27 2014
From: drumor at optonline.net (E. Drew Moore)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 13:48:27 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RVRC] 160m full-size 3el  yagi
Message-ID: <7c2e80eb.d39e2.147f488bac2.Webtop.43@optonline.net>


Any one interested in a small project?



160m full-size 3el  yagi
http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~kan1/newmonsterantenna2.html
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From ljwest at mac.com  Wed Aug 20 14:27:45 2014
From: ljwest at mac.com (Lawrence West)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 14:27:45 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] 160m full-size 3el  yagi
In-Reply-To: <7c2e80eb.d39e2.147f488bac2.Webtop.43@optonline.net>
References: <7c2e80eb.d39e2.147f488bac2.Webtop.43@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <1C65B876-3F36-43C2-999E-E4A6AA354689@mac.com>

I'm guessing that is NOT covered under HR-4969...

Larry West
Sent from my iPhone 5S

> On Aug 20, 2014, at 13:48, "E. Drew Moore" <drumor at optonline.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Any one interested in a small project?
> 
> 
> 
> 160m full-size 3el  yagi
> http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~kan1/newmonsterantenna2.html
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From rvrc at mailman.qth.net  Wed Aug 20 21:26:03 2014
From: rvrc at mailman.qth.net (Craig W Saums via RVRC)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 21:26:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [RVRC]  Ballot for membership, K2EEI
Message-ID: <8D18AF6020953AC-1904-DE4E@webmail-d160.sysops.aol.com>


To the RVRC President, KB2VRM, the Membership Committee Chair, WB2BEW and the members of RVRC

I have spoken directly to Lee Lensky, K2EEI, regarding the concerns that have been expressed regarding the process by which his membership application ballot was presented to the RVRC membership after our last meeting.  

Lee has expressed his wishes to follow all necessary protocols and for that reason he has requested that the membership ballot be retracted from further consideration until after a second reading of his application at a full RVRC business meeting as required by the club by-laws

On a personal note, as one of the new member's sponsors, I am requesting that the membership at large treat K2EEI in the same manner as they would wish to be treated on the air and at any club events going forward.  This protocol error was not intended to give K2EEI and special privilege or preferred treatment.  It was my intent when making the motion to set the 2 reading rule aside that the club would gain a new member is an efficient and timely manner without extending the waiting period due to the unfortunate cancellation of the July meeting. 

Since this membership ballot has been effectively deemed as 'out of order' according to the by-laws, the potential for a three month delay required to reapply and re-ballot for 'failing to receive sufficient votes for membership' should not apply.  

I have assured Lee that this delay is not due to any question about his application but only a protocol error related to the by-laws and voting procedures.

Please reinstate Lee Lensky, K2EEI as a pending new regular member with one reading completed

Thank you

Craig Saums
AC2FE


From marvbrons at verizon.net  Thu Aug 21 17:36:25 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:36:25 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] HR 4969 (the PRB-1 extension bill)
Message-ID: <7696D6089E174CB4885323FD14E89B97@marvbronsPC>

Work on HR 4969, the Amateur Radio Parity Act of 2014 is ongoing. 
Although Congress is on vacation until September, there has been meetings
with legislators and their staffs in their district offices. Some
meetings have gone extremely well and I hope to pick up some more
co-sponsors soon.

There is much you can do as well. First, if you live in one of the
following districts, you should email your Representative and say thank
you for their support and for co-sponsoring HR 4969. 

This is extremely important. Just a simple thank you should go to:

Leonard Lance (NJ-7)**
Steve Israel (NY- 3)
Carolyn McCarthy (NY-4)
Michael Grimm (NY-11)
Chris Gibson (NY-19)

For those of you who live in other Congressional districts, please
email your Representative once again asking them to support and
co-sponsor HR-4969. AND, IF YOU KNOW A CONGRESSMAN/WOMAN, OR ONE OF
THEIR STAFFERS, PLEASE CONTACT ME IMMEDIATELY SO THAT WE COULD SET
SOMETHING UP TO MEET WITH THEM AND DISCUSS THE BILL!!!

The extension of PRB-1 to hams living in deed restricted communities is
arguably the most critical issue facing Amateur Radio today. We MUST do
something now.

Please help.

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Thu Aug 21 17:42:21 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 17:42:21 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Ramapo Mtn ARC hamfest
Message-ID: <754BCFD4E38F430CAEE46DFA7F2729CC@marvbronsPC>

Good Day,

 the only hamfest in the Hudson Division for this month; The
Ramapo Mountain ARC will host their annual summer Hamfest this coming
Saturday, August 23rd at Camp Veritans, 225 Pompton Road, Haledon, NJ
07508.

Doors open to sellers at 6:00 am and to buyers at 8:00 am. For more
information, directions and talk in information, go to the club website
and download their flyer:

http://www.qsl.net/rmarc/

And look for Vice Director Bill Hudzik W2UDT at the ARRL table and say
hi.

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Thu Aug 21 21:47:03 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 21:47:03 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] A memo to RVRC members
Message-ID: <04AA364B42EB4AE38D543D5DA7C6F133@marvbronsPC>

RVRC members,
Please understand that this ''discussion'' is not meant to be a personal attack upon any RVRC members.
 
I am a RVRC chartering member! We re-established the Raritan Valley Radio Club (originally formed in 1927) back around 1973. That makes me a member of over 40 years!
In that span of time I also served as club President for some period of that time. In the re-chartering of RVRC, the purpose of the club was to have fun with a very exciting hobby, Ham Radio!
 
To that end we fostered many activities such as HF contesting, field day, picnics, field trips of interest (visits to meaningful places like ARRL Hqs. and Salem Nuclear generating facility as it was being constructed). We had invited accomplished hams visit and deliver technical presentations and had our own technical ''sessions'' to spread knowledge among our members. It was camaraderie, fellowship, learning, common interest activities because we included all members in the discussions and plans. 
There was and still remains only a minimum requirement to attend meetings because not everyone can attend every mid-week/night meetings that start late (to allow members travelling in from afar) and ended late.
But we always included all active members in the discussions and planning of activities.

This medium, the internet, gives RVRC members the opportunity to ''weigh-in'' on club matters and activities and we always should include the comments and wishes of members even for those when it is not possible for them to attend a regular monthly meeting due to personal obligations.
 
We are a club, the purpose for which is inclusive not exclusive. The mere fact that those who can not be present at a monthly business meeting  aren't given the means nor are given the opportunity to 'weigh-in' with their opinions; this presents a sense of exclusion. Decisions are made, then, at sparsely attended meetings by only a small portion of the membership exclusive of the opinions and suggestions of the majority.

If the majority of members voice their opinion that they do not want this or that, why then push the matter against those wishes? Why allow a simple quorum at a business meeting not hear the wishes of a majority? However, we can only discern what those wishes really are unless we've given all the members in good standing an opportunity to be included into that discussion. This can not be accomplished if discussion is limited to the one meeting each month unless, before commencing on any bold project, we discuss it first and this internet forum is a great way to do this.

Once again, my thrust on this subject is inclusion by addressing all members. Does it slow down the process? YES it does but that is part and parcel to what a democratic organization and ham radio is all about; we are not some business/corporation or utility with deadlines..........we formed a club for mutual enjoyment of a hobby and it should never become an over-bearing obligation!
 
Once again, we all have jobs, family and important obligations outside of this activity which should never, ever be impaired by club activities.
I have been part of many projects and activities involving RVRC over my 40+ year involvement but I have never witnessed such a lack-luster period.
 
We really need to involve all our members and return to that spark of interest in ham radio activities. There's a great deal to ''discuss'' on that issue as well but it can not be limited to the one meeting each month until the majority has 'chimed-in'; discuss it via this medium, discuss it on the repeater then discuss it at a meeting which will give every member their opportunity. Inform the members of any impending important 'action' to be taken at an upcoming meeting and ask for input. Make each member feel that they are part of 'the whole'!  Disinterest has caused the failure of many ham radio clubs.

What ever has transpired to this point is done and finished but it is imperative that going forward includes every member's opportunity to weigh-in on how the club should go forward. After all, the ''club'' is it's membership, the club is not an entity in and of itself!

Marvin, K2VHW

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sat Aug 23 10:42:33 2014
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (Marvin Bronstein)
Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2014 10:42:33 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Second request for volunteers on Labor Day
Message-ID: <0C5003D2445641E48FD767BBA386A248@marvbronsPC>

A side note: we need a few volunteers for this event. If the 6:30 a.m. start time is too early, 8 a..m. would also work! The earlier time was suggested so as to have the time to be briefed on the task. Volunteers will not be required to move with the parade and will be stationary at points along the parade route.

Following the parade, lunch will be provided at a nearby pizza shop for radio communications volunteers!

Marv, K2VHW;
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Members,

Each year South Plainfield holds a Labor Day parade through town. It's a sizeable event with much activity. The newly formed SPARC (South Plainfield Amateur Radio Club) under SP-OEM, performs radio communications during the 5 K footrace, held prior to the parade and during the parade.

We are seeking amateur radio communications volunteers with 2 meter handheld radios to help with providing communications. 

Labor Day, September 1st.

Start time 8 a.m. (5K foot race)

End time 12 p.m. (approx.) for the parade which follows on the foot race course immediately following the end of the foot race.

The task will be to report/relay runners and parade participant's locations along the parade route and any urgent or routine messages required.

Please contact me, Marv Bronstein-K2VHW, if you are able and willing to help out.

k2vhw at verizon.net 

732-887-0875

P.S. There's a fun family event at the end of the parade with vendors, food and activities if you bring your family along.

From asajm at optimum.net  Thu Aug 28 13:46:13 2014
From: asajm at optimum.net (asajm at optimum.net)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:46:13 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [RVRC] My ballot with comments.
Message-ID: <e5c2e8357b1f.53ff6ae5@optonline.net>

A ballot for Regular membership is provided below for you to indicate 
your
vote to advance a member status for Lee. Please return the ballot as 
soon as
possible using e-mail. A tally of the votes received will be conducted 
prior
to the September 10, 2014 business meeting.



Drew Moore, W2OU



*************************************************************************

September 10, 2014 B A L L O T



*For Full Membership:*


Lee  C. Lensky K2EEI        NO___X_____

I'm not against this applicant, However this is not being done properly aqccording to the club bylaws.

From n2gj at amsat.org  Fri Aug 29 10:40:22 2014
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 10:40:22 -0400
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Bob KC2RDU
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsqRfE7kY17fWqYABRr8g1dqGgU54Gbwb7==V1dp7Wa1kw@mail.gmail.com>

Hope it?s a good one!  All the best on your birthday and best wishes for
many more to come!  73,



GJ

Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

