[RVRC] (no subject)

Sun Dec 16 13:58:22 EST 2012

Hats off to Marv.
I am an associate member and thus do not have voting priviledges but I 
want to support the club.
I have already paid my dues for 2013.
The tech committee knows what they are doing and are working in the 
best interests of the club.
The also have to consider situations that are out of their control and 
react accordingly.
Sort of a tight rope act that can get tricky.
Give them your full support
Best 73 with respect to all
N2VHV (Jeff)

-----Original Message-----
From: marvin bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
To: RVRC Distribution <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:34 pm
Subject: [RVRC] (no subject)

Fellow RVRC members,
First allow me to express my feelings and opinion that what Craig* has 
written here should be followed by the club.  In cases where clubs grow 
to be a sizeable group, the format of our club (head officers and 
appointed committees) where the membership at large is asked to 'vote' 
on all matters, ceases to work well.  We are too large a group to 
continue the practice of every member having a voice in every action 
that any committee wants to take.  Clubs that are large as ours and 
larger clubs have formed an organization run by a "Board of Directors" 
headed by officers elected from the membership at-large.  The 
membership therefore makes 'policy determinations' by popular vote but 
the 'workings' of the club are relegated to the Board and officers.
If RVRC members do not wish to 'convert' to such a form of 'business', 
we must all agree that the committees appointed should be allowed to do 
their work without the constant "micro-managing" that clogs up the 
efforts.  We all, essentially, are together in this hobby and in this 
club as a 'past-time' and this shouldn't become an 'anvil' hanging on 
our necks!
The Committees should be allowed, unfettered, to conduct their work 
WITHIN the financial limits set forth by the membership at large!  
(They do this now.)

Please offer up your support to Craig and our officers in their efforts 
for the benefits to the club.  I am certain that, in the end, we will 
all be happy with the outcomes.  But keep in mind, we are a HOBBY,  and 
ham radio activity is a PASTIME which should NEVER INTERFERE WITH 
FAMILY AND OBLIGATIONS!  If it takes a little longer to get where we 
want to go, let it be a goal we can work towards........it'll happen in 
good time.  If any member feels that they can advance the cause with a 
financial 'stimulus' please don't give it a second thought and go 
ahead....GIVE! (It could help us make our goals even faster!)

Fraternally.

73,
Marv, K2VHW
*Tech. committee chairman                                               

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~HAPPY 
HOLIDAYS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The W2QW machines are controlled by our system computer that relies on 
the Asterisk PBX software. This software is based on Voip and it not 
only allows for local control of the club repeaters but it allows 
linking to external systems when the Internet is available. Access to 
ECHOLINK and to our net partners (currently K2ETS, and formerly the 
machines linked to the KB2EAR hub) requires Internet access. The 
ALLSTARlink.org WebTransceiver access that allows you to connect to any 
ALLSTARlink machine anywhere in the world and then call up our RVRC 
machines (same concept as IRLP) also requires Internet. Even regular 
IRLP would require Internet if that proprietary system would allow 
coexistence with other Internet based control systems. Access to our 
machines using cell phone apps, computer apps and other non RF means 
all require Internet.

Removing the Internet would require a total restructuring of the W2QW 
system and it would remove our current net capabilities. Using a 
dedicated RF link to other systems would require cooperation by the 
other groups and in the current situation, we do not have finances to 
replace the computer based repeater controls with hardware controllers 
and RF links to manage them.

The club elects officers to represents the club's best interest. The 
technical committee tries very hard to keep us on the air with the most 
reliable system we can provide, with the best ability to manage the 
system and to manage the costs.

If we are going to second guess every decision and haggle about every 
technical detail at meetings, we are not going to have a reliable 
system nor will we be able to move forward. I do not personally want to 
see us get into a gridlock situation. Please trust the officer's 
decision and the technical committee's intentions and recommendations. 
I know I don't have any personal interest in Cablevision, or Verizon. 
We are 'tenants' at the Lund site and we rely on sharing the services 
because we cannot realistically fully separate the services at this 
time or in the near future.

Let's please chalk this up to our 'cost of doing business'. If Susan 
needs to go to FIOS because of poor service by Cablevision then we need 
to find a way to support that move. She could disconnect Cablevision on 
her own and go straight to residential FIOS leaving us on our own to 
figure out a solution. She doesn't have to let us connect to the house 
internet source. In the longer view, Asterisk requires the Internet to 
link with the ALLSTARlink network. Removing Asterisk is not practical 
due to the investment in hardware and support that are already built 
in. We have discussed these alternatives before so let's move on..

Respectfully
Craig Saums
AC2FE
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