From drumor at optonline.net  Sat Dec  1 11:58:47 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 11:58:47 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] 146.625 back on the air
Message-ID: <004701cdcfe5$21f35cf0$65da16d0$@optonline.net>



Members,

 

The technical committee installed a temporary antenna at the repeater site.
As of noon the repeater is operational. Special thanks goes out to AC2FE,
KC2VRJ, WB0YLE and KD2ARB for putting us back on the air. The antenna is
mounted by mast at the peak of the garage.

 

73

Drew


From kb2vrm at embarqmail.com  Sat Dec  1 18:55:43 2012
From: kb2vrm at embarqmail.com (Mike Christiansen)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 18:55:43 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] 146.625 back on the air
In-Reply-To: <004701cdcfe5$21f35cf0$65da16d0$@optonline.net>
References: <004701cdcfe5$21f35cf0$65da16d0$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <004a01cdd01f$604f0f50$20ed2df0$@embarqmail.com>

Thanks Guys! Really appreciate every ones efforts!     Mike, KB2VRM

-----Original Message-----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of drew Moore
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:59 AM
To: RVRC
Subject: [RVRC] 146.625 back on the air



Members,

 

The technical committee installed a temporary antenna at the repeater site.
As of noon the repeater is operational. Special thanks goes out to AC2FE,
KC2VRJ, WB0YLE and KD2ARB for putting us back on the air. The antenna is
mounted by mast at the peak of the garage.

 

73

Drew



From alan.wolke at gmail.com  Sat Dec  1 23:38:29 2012
From: alan.wolke at gmail.com (Alan Wolke)
Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 23:38:29 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] What logging program...
Message-ID: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>

...do you like, running on 64 bit Windows 7?  Keep in mind that I am not a
contested, nor do I require any rig control. Oh, and 'free' is nice!

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Alan

From jepugh at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 07:28:59 2012
From: jepugh at gmail.com (John Pugh)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 07:28:59 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] What logging program...
In-Reply-To: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OV6hrBU-vMgrOgeX8KNY3jMa2pO8CEg81yX7kE52Psy-O5Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Logger32 (www.logger32.net)


On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 11:38 PM, Alan Wolke <alan.wolke at gmail.com> wrote:

> ...do you like, running on 64 bit Windows 7?  Keep in mind that I am not a
> contested, nor do I require any rig control. Oh, and 'free' is nice!
>
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
>
> Alan
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-- 
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From drumor at optonline.net  Sun Dec  2 09:06:09 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:06:09 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] FW:  What logging program...
In-Reply-To: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002801cdd096$2e1d0ce0$8a5726a0$@optonline.net>

Alan,

HRD Ham Radio Deluxe version 5.X is still free and includes a logging
program in it fully encompassing suite of programs. Very soon HRD will
release its version 6.0 for those that pre-register the cost will be $60
after its release the cost will jump to $74. There aren't too many programs
for free these days because of the development work. Also, it's worth
checking the Amateur Contact log v3.3 (ACLOG 3.3)  by N3FJP software
http://www.n3fjp.com/ Scott has an excellent suite of programs and a great
logging program. I have been using the logging program for a year and enjoy
using it daily. If you enjoy the logging program you can upgrade to his
software package and get credit for the logging program cost. There is a
very active Yahoo user group at
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/N3FJP_Software_Users/?yguid=76535597 . Good
luck in your search.

73,
Drew

-----Original Message-----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Alan Wolke
Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:38 PM
To: RVRC
Subject: [RVRC] What logging program...

...do you like, running on 64 bit Windows 7?  Keep in mind that I am not a
contested, nor do I require any rig control. Oh, and 'free' is nice!

Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

Alan
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From gjurrens at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 11:44:11 2012
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:44:11 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] FW:  What logging program...
In-Reply-To: <002801cdd096$2e1d0ce0$8a5726a0$@optonline.net>
References: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002801cdd096$2e1d0ce0$8a5726a0$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <9A9AFAA2-27AC-43DC-BFFF-B1783FD47A59@gmail.com>

My friend, Gary K2GW speaks highly of Logger. 73

GJ
Sent from my iPhone4
Pls 4give typos & brevity


On Dec 2, 2012, at 9:06 AM, drew Moore <drumor at optonline.net> wrote:

> Alan,
> 
> HRD Ham Radio Deluxe version 5.X is still free and includes a logging
> program in it fully encompassing suite of programs. Very soon HRD will
> release its version 6.0 for those that pre-register the cost will be $60
> after its release the cost will jump to $74. There aren't too many programs
> for free these days because of the development work. Also, it's worth
> checking the Amateur Contact log v3.3 (ACLOG 3.3)  by N3FJP software
> http://www.n3fjp.com/ Scott has an excellent suite of programs and a great
> logging program. I have been using the logging program for a year and enjoy
> using it daily. If you enjoy the logging program you can upgrade to his
> software package and get credit for the logging program cost. There is a
> very active Yahoo user group at
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/N3FJP_Software_Users/?yguid=76535597 . Good
> luck in your search.
> 
> 73,
> Drew
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of Alan Wolke
> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2012 11:38 PM
> To: RVRC
> Subject: [RVRC] What logging program...
> 
> ...do you like, running on 64 bit Windows 7?  Keep in mind that I am not a
> contested, nor do I require any rig control. Oh, and 'free' is nice!
> 
> Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
> 
> Alan
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From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 11:51:40 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2012 11:51:40 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] FW: What logging program...
In-Reply-To: <9A9AFAA2-27AC-43DC-BFFF-B1783FD47A59@gmail.com>
References: <CAAbPpUF5GqbdYPH+rmHQdqwS0Kv8haxXp0yPQ-oRf23aTMP5sQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002801cdd096$2e1d0ce0$8a5726a0$@optonline.net>
	<9A9AFAA2-27AC-43DC-BFFF-B1783FD47A59@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fFyVvFUyCwK-U9LavHAiucDR9ymEGTpSm+uGvyipc1VxQ@mail.gmail.com>

I really can't stand HRD.  It pretty much violates ever user front end best
practice I know of.

In case you happen to be on a Mac:

http://www.dogparksoftware.com/MacLoggerDX.html

Fantastic and worth every penny.

-aps

From gjurrens at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 09:24:23 2012
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:24:23 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
Message-ID: <B6CC1679-1E69-4588-BCF7-75808DAD615F@gmail.com>

ARL FORTY SIX NINA! 88

GJ
Sent from my iPhone4
Pls 4give typos & brevity


From William.Labos at pseg.com  Fri Dec  7 09:29:48 2012
From: William.Labos at pseg.com (Labos, William)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 09:29:48 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
Message-ID: <8A82A74FFC1759419BBD642754B5DBD0194E926B3E@NJNWKMX18.enterprise.pseg.com>

Happy birthday to Gerry. Dec 7 is definitely a day of infamy!! 
William J. Labos, PE
Mgr - Asset Reliability
PSE&G Electric Delivery
Cell: (973) 610-1500



----- Original Message -----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net <rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
To: Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
Cc: Drew Moore <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Fri Dec 07 09:24:23 2012
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!

ARL FORTY SIX NINA! 88

GJ
Sent from my iPhone4
Pls 4give typos & brevity

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From marvbrons at verizon.net  Fri Dec  7 10:35:48 2012
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Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 10:35:48 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
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Happy Birthday to you, Gerry!!!

Marv, K2VHW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```````



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From: "Labos, William" <William.Labos at pseg.com>
To: <gjurrens at gmail.com>; <marvbrons at verizon.net>
Cc: <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!


> Happy birthday to Gerry. Dec 7 is definitely a day of infamy!! 
> William J. Labos, PE
> Mgr - Asset Reliability
> PSE&G Electric Delivery
> Cell: (973) 610-1500
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
> Cc: Drew Moore <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Fri Dec 07 09:24:23 2012
> Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
> 
> ARL FORTY SIX NINA! 88
> 
> GJ
> Sent from my iPhone4
> Pls 4give typos & brevity
> 
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From w2iu at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  7 10:55:25 2012
From: w2iu at hotmail.com (Dennis Kopecky)
Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:55:25 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
In-Reply-To: <0CBCDAE2AC08400E985341C4864B36C1@marvbronsPC>
References: <8A82A74FFC1759419BBD642754B5DBD0194E926B3E@NJNWKMX18.enterprise.pseg.com>,
	<0CBCDAE2AC08400E985341C4864B36C1@marvbronsPC>
Message-ID: <COL108-W20E7E1A16C6DBB1F657B796440@phx.gbl>


Yes, Gerry, a most happy occasion ! Best Wishes ! Dennis, W2IU 
 > From: marvbrons at verizon.net
> To: William.Labos at pseg.com; gjurrens at gmail.com
> Date: Fri, 7 Dec 2012 10:35:48 -0500
> CC: rvrc at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
> 
> Happy Birthday to you, Gerry!!!
> 
> Marv, K2VHW
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```````
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> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> To: <gjurrens at gmail.com>; <marvbrons at verizon.net>
> Cc: <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
> 
> 
> > Happy birthday to Gerry. Dec 7 is definitely a day of infamy!! 
> > William J. Labos, PE
> > Mgr - Asset Reliability
> > PSE&G Electric Delivery
> > Cell: (973) 610-1500
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net <rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> > To: Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
> > Cc: Drew Moore <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Fri Dec 07 09:24:23 2012
> > Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
> > 
> > ARL FORTY SIX NINA! 88
> > 
> > GJ
> > Sent from my iPhone4
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From drumor at optonline.net  Fri Dec  7 13:08:44 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2012 13:08:44 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] FW:  Happy Birthday to Nina!
In-Reply-To: <0CBCDAE2AC08400E985341C4864B36C1@marvbronsPC>
References: <8A82A74FFC1759419BBD642754B5DBD0194E926B3E@NJNWKMX18.enterprise.pseg.com>
	<0CBCDAE2AC08400E985341C4864B36C1@marvbronsPC>
Message-ID: <005e01cdd4a5$e5b68990$b1239cb0$@optonline.net>

Happy Birthday, Gerry.
73
Drew

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Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:36 AM
To: Labos, William; gjurrens at gmail.com
Cc: rvrc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!

Happy Birthday to you, Gerry!!!

Marv, K2VHW
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```````



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Labos, William" <William.Labos at pseg.com>
To: <gjurrens at gmail.com>; <marvbrons at verizon.net>
Cc: <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!


> Happy birthday to Gerry. Dec 7 is definitely a day of infamy!! 
> William J. Labos, PE
> Mgr - Asset Reliability
> PSE&G Electric Delivery
> Cell: (973) 610-1500
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net <rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Marvin Bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
> Cc: Drew Moore <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Fri Dec 07 09:24:23 2012
> Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Nina!
> 
> ARL FORTY SIX NINA! 88
> 
> GJ
> Sent from my iPhone4
> Pls 4give typos & brevity
> 
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From overthetop52 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  9 11:19:39 2012
From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (overthetop52 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:19:39 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] (no subject)
Message-ID: <458197076.1469455.1355069985203.JavaMail.webspher@njbbicssmp04>

Guys
      Im not able to do the net tonite.Could someone be nice enough to take it?Not hard at all if u never did it...You dont have to be a Wolfman Jack..73..Pete..KD2ARB

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID

From n2gj at amsat.org  Wed Dec 12 12:23:51 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:23:51 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Belated Birthday!
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsrLmmSxeXLcxizy+99oHOtadG6wEEtNb1PpQbv81=iNFw@mail.gmail.com>

No GOOD excuse, John, but here's a lame one:  I was teaching a class all
day, preoccupied with getting out on time to catch my flight to Dulles last
night and never even peeked at my calendar.  I mentioned on 7.222 on Monday
that Tuesday was your birthday, then totally forgot to follow up myself!

So, a hundred lashes with a wet rubber duckie....sorry.  ARL FORTY SIX 73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From drumor at optonline.net  Wed Dec 12 12:46:33 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 12:46:33 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] RVRC Meeting Tonight 12-12-12
Message-ID: <006801cdd890$a12020e0$e36062a0$@optonline.net>



Members,

 

Just a reminder that tonight is the club's last meeting or 2012 and may be
our last if the Mayan Calendar predictions are true, lol. 

 

At last month's meeting we didn't have enough money to reach a quorum and
there is a ton of items on the table that need to show some degree of
forward progress. It also the last time we'll meet before the holidays
engulf us all. If you can please try to make the meeting. It's always good
to participate in helping to reach the right solution to problems in front
of us. It's better to participate in a decision than to have a few decide
your best interest.

 

 

 

73,

Drew

W2OU


From radiomf at comcast.net  Wed Dec 12 14:04:09 2012
From: radiomf at comcast.net (Martin Friedman)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:04:09 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] RVRC Meeting Tonight 12-12-12
In-Reply-To: <006801cdd890$a12020e0$e36062a0$@optonline.net>
References: <006801cdd890$a12020e0$e36062a0$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <000801cdd89b$77833370$66899a50$@comcast.net>

How much money do we need for a quorum?

-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of drew Moore
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 12:47 PM
To: RVRC
Subject: [RVRC] RVRC Meeting Tonight 12-12-12



Members,

 

Just a reminder that tonight is the club's last meeting or 2012 and may be
our last if the Mayan Calendar predictions are true, lol. 

 

At last month's meeting we didn't have enough money to reach a quorum and
there is a ton of items on the table that need to show some degree of
forward progress. It also the last time we'll meet before the holidays
engulf us all. If you can please try to make the meeting. It's always good
to participate in helping to reach the right solution to problems in front
of us. It's better to participate in a decision than to have a few decide
your best interest.

 

 

 

73,

Drew

W2OU



From w2sjw at comcast.net  Sat Dec 15 17:20:44 2012
From: w2sjw at comcast.net (Scott Wilson)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:20:44 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
Message-ID: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>

Everyone,

 

                Susan has gotten to the point of total aggravation with
Cablevision's inability to restore the phone, cable, & TV service at the
house. She is cancelling service with them, and going over to FiOS.

 

                The tech committee & her have both spoken to Verizon about
what we do with the service at her property. Residential FiOS service has
port blocking in place that would make the use of Asterisk impossible, along
with dynamic security measures that are designed to block VoIP traffic.

 

                Verizon has stated that a commercial FiOS plan would allow
this type of operation, and Susan has decided to sign up for the lowest-tier
of service on that type.

 

                She is asking the club to help defer the initial setup costs
of the transition. It will be a $150 installation charge, and a $150 fee for
the modem. We currently pay $20 a month to Susan for internet usage, and
that will now go up to $60 a month (the FiOS charge for the lowest-tier
commercial service will be a little over $100 a month). In total, we
currently give Susan $100 a month for power + internet, this will go up to
$140 a month.

 

                There is currently no other option available to her at this
time, based on her geographical location. The tech committee & officers have
given approval to this plan, due to her need to confirm the switchover by
this Monday (12/17).

 

                Any issues or concerns regarding this matter should be
directed to Mike, KB2VRM.

 

Respectfully,

Scott, W2SJW 


From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 18:06:56 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:06:56 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Scott Wilson <w2sjw at comcast.net> wrote:

>                 Susan has gotten to the point of total aggravation with
> Cablevision's inability to restore the phone, cable, & TV service at the
> house. She is cancelling service with them, and going over to FiOS.
>
>                 The tech committee & her have both spoken to Verizon about
> what we do with the service at her property. Residential FiOS service has
> port blocking in place that would make the use of Asterisk impossible,
> along
> with dynamic security measures that are designed to block VoIP traffic.
>

Vonage doesn't work on FIOS lines? And Skype calls? Also Cisco's VoIP
products?

I can tell you none of these are blocked to my CO and I have used VoIP
products without issue on FIOS. Not Asterisk though, but I find it very
hard to believe they are singling out Asterisk.

Are you sure this is just blocking a port (that's a nuisance, we can run it
on another port) or is this *really* traffic shaping/monitoring (literally
looking for SIP packets and dropping packets)? Even if that is the case, I
thought Asterisk allow for encrypted voice now so how would they know?

Does someone have any data points to the contrary that Asterisk will not
work on a residential FIOS line? I am now very curious.

-aps

From kc2vrj at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 18:59:39 2012
From: kc2vrj at gmail.com (Paul Nannery)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 18:59:39 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>

Alex,

You have the info we have from fios even if we could find a way to do it it
would be a tos issue as any Server must not use home service.  We have both
echolink and Asterisk servers on site. As the tech committee and I'm sure
officers agree we do not want any tos issues for sue
On Dec 15, 2012 6:07 PM, "Alexander Sack" <pisymbol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 5:20 PM, Scott Wilson <w2sjw at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >                 Susan has gotten to the point of total aggravation with
> > Cablevision's inability to restore the phone, cable, & TV service at the
> > house. She is cancelling service with them, and going over to FiOS.
> >
> >                 The tech committee & her have both spoken to Verizon
> about
> > what we do with the service at her property. Residential FiOS service has
> > port blocking in place that would make the use of Asterisk impossible,
> > along
> > with dynamic security measures that are designed to block VoIP traffic.
> >
>
> Vonage doesn't work on FIOS lines? And Skype calls? Also Cisco's VoIP
> products?
>
> I can tell you none of these are blocked to my CO and I have used VoIP
> products without issue on FIOS. Not Asterisk though, but I find it very
> hard to believe they are singling out Asterisk.
>
> Are you sure this is just blocking a port (that's a nuisance, we can run it
> on another port) or is this *really* traffic shaping/monitoring (literally
> looking for SIP packets and dropping packets)? Even if that is the case, I
> thought Asterisk allow for encrypted voice now so how would they know?
>
> Does someone have any data points to the contrary that Asterisk will not
> work on a residential FIOS line? I am now very curious.
>
> -aps
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From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sat Dec 15 19:35:30 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 19:35:30 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:

> Alex,
>
> You have the info we have from fios even if we could find a way to do it
> it would be a tos issue as any Server must not use home service.  We have
> both echolink and Asterisk servers on site. As the tech committee and I'm
> sure officers agree we do not want any tos issues for sue
>
>
http://www22.verizon.com/about/legacypages/broadbandcommitment.htm

Read first statement.  What TOS issue exact?

I betcha you if you said you used Skype, you would get the same party
line.  But in reality, Verizon doesn't care. Our usage of Asterisk is so
insignificant I doubt Verizon would even notice!

I'm fine with a business account but I'd like to know a technical reason on
WHY we need this? We are talking about upping the clubs costs $40/month or
$480/year.

Paul, let me say this:

If Verizon detects we are using Asterisk and asks us to upgrade to a
business account, then sure, we do it. But until then...

-aps

From dld at degeorge.org  Sat Dec 15 20:20:53 2012
From: dld at degeorge.org (David DeGeorge)
Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:20:53 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>

The below is from the URL (see last sentence)
http://www.verizon.net/policies/popups/tos_popup.asp

Pretty clear since Asterisk is a server

> *Restrictions on Use.*The Service is a consumer grade service and 
> is not designed for or intended to be used for any commercial 
> purpose. You may not resell, re-provision or rent the Service, 
> (either for a fee or without charge) or allow third parties to use 
> the Service via wired, wireless or other means. For example, you 
> may not provide Internet access to third parties through a wired or 
> wireless connection or use the Service to facilitate public 
> Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot), use it for high 
> volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that constitute 
> such use (commercial or non-commercial). If you subscribe to a 
> Broadband Service, you may connect multiple computers/devices 
> within a single home to your modem and/or router to access the 
> Service, but only through a single Verizon-issued IP address. You 
> also may not exceed the bandwidth usage limitations that Verizon 
> may establish from time to time for the Service, or use the Service 
> to host any type of server. Violation of this section may result in 
> bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or termination 
> of your Service.



On 12/15/2012 07:35 PM, Alexander Sack wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alex,
>>
>> You have the info we have from fios even if we could find a way to do it
>> it would be a tos issue as any Server must not use home service.  We have
>> both echolink and Asterisk servers on site. As the tech committee and I'm
>> sure officers agree we do not want any tos issues for sue
>>
>>
> http://www22.verizon.com/about/legacypages/broadbandcommitment.htm
>
> Read first statement.  What TOS issue exact?
>
> I betcha you if you said you used Skype, you would get the same party
> line.  But in reality, Verizon doesn't care. Our usage of Asterisk is so
> insignificant I doubt Verizon would even notice!
>
> I'm fine with a business account but I'd like to know a technical reason on
> WHY we need this? We are talking about upping the clubs costs $40/month or
> $480/year.
>
> Paul, let me say this:
>
> If Verizon detects we are using Asterisk and asks us to upgrade to a
> business account, then sure, we do it. But until then...
>
> -aps
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David DeGeorge


From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 00:56:09 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 00:56:09 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM, David DeGeorge <dld at degeorge.org> wrote:

> The below is from the URL (see last sentence)
> http://www.verizon.net/**policies/popups/tos_popup.asp<http://www.verizon.net/policies/popups/tos_popup.asp>
>
> Pretty clear since Asterisk is a server
>
>  *Restrictions on Use.*The Service is a consumer grade service and is not
>> designed for or intended to be used for any commercial purpose. You may not
>> resell, re-provision or rent the Service, (either for a fee or without
>> charge) or allow third parties to use the Service via wired, wireless or
>> other means. For example, you may not provide Internet access to third
>> parties through a wired or wireless connection or use the Service to
>> facilitate public Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot), use it
>> for high volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that constitute
>> such use (commercial or non-commercial). If you subscribe to a Broadband
>> Service, you may connect multiple computers/devices within a single home to
>> your modem and/or router to access the Service, but only through a single
>> Verizon-issued IP address. You also may not exceed the bandwidth usage
>> limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the Service,
>> or use the Service to host any type of server. Violation of this section
>> may result in bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or
>> termination of your Service.
>>
>
>
Why not just stick with a residential account and if Verizon complains
(sigh), upgrade to a business account?

Fact is, literally thousands of folks run web servers on their home
internet connection.

Other than TOS, is there a technical reason to have a business account?

-aps

From kc2vrj at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 08:48:13 2012
From: kc2vrj at gmail.com (Paul Nannery)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 08:48:13 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>

its not our account its sues account her request to us staying on site has
been we follow all rules and laws including the tos its in her name so we
have to follow her wishes also they can termanate services for  for
volations this means she would lose both her phone and tv as well as
internet as the main email said this was to inform the  club not try and
make a choice.
On Dec 16, 2012 12:56 AM, "Alexander Sack" <pisymbol at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM, David DeGeorge <dld at degeorge.org> wrote:
>
> > The below is from the URL (see last sentence)
> > http://www.verizon.net/**policies/popups/tos_popup.asp<
> http://www.verizon.net/policies/popups/tos_popup.asp>
> >
> > Pretty clear since Asterisk is a server
> >
> >  *Restrictions on Use.*The Service is a consumer grade service and is not
> >> designed for or intended to be used for any commercial purpose. You may
> not
> >> resell, re-provision or rent the Service, (either for a fee or without
> >> charge) or allow third parties to use the Service via wired, wireless or
> >> other means. For example, you may not provide Internet access to third
> >> parties through a wired or wireless connection or use the Service to
> >> facilitate public Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot),
> use it
> >> for high volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that
> constitute
> >> such use (commercial or non-commercial). If you subscribe to a Broadband
> >> Service, you may connect multiple computers/devices within a single
> home to
> >> your modem and/or router to access the Service, but only through a
> single
> >> Verizon-issued IP address. You also may not exceed the bandwidth usage
> >> limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the
> Service,
> >> or use the Service to host any type of server. Violation of this section
> >> may result in bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or
> >> termination of your Service.
> >>
> >
> >
> Why not just stick with a residential account and if Verizon complains
> (sigh), upgrade to a business account?
>
> Fact is, literally thousands of folks run web servers on their home
> internet connection.
>
> Other than TOS, is there a technical reason to have a business account?
>
> -aps
> ______________________________________________________________
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From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 10:11:56 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:11:56 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fG21_N2JSTwvKafKDJMM_afFWmSsb=px0+kpMzmh5EWNQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:

> its not our account its sues account her request to us staying on site has
> been we follow all rules and laws including the tos its in her name so we
> have to follow her wishes also they can termanate services for  for
> volations this means she would lose both her phone and tv as well as
> internet as the main email said this was to inform the  club not try and
> make a choice.
>
Is she looking for guidance from the technical committee regarding the
Internet connection at home or has she made her decision?

Scott's email seemed to indicate the later not the former since it included
explanations about why she needed to do this:

"The tech committee & her have both spoken to Verizon about
what we do with the service at her property. Residential FiOS service has
port blocking in place that would make the use of Asterisk impossible, along
with dynamic security measures that are designed to block VoIP traffic."

Now Paul, you are telling me it has to do with TOS not anything to do with
technical limitations of a residential service (c'mon we both know Verizon
is going to wave the party line to sell Susan the business account).

Speaking of TOS, she had Cablevision:

http://www.optimum.net/Terms

Read 22. That means all these years we were in violation of the TOS.

By the way, was this brought up at the meeting last Wednesday to vote on?
If I am rehashing stuff that was already articulated to the membership body
and voted on, I completely apologize for all the noise, I didn't know that
since the email didn't state that.

-aps

From kc2vrj at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 10:17:15 2012
From: kc2vrj at gmail.com (Paul Nannery)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:17:15 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAPpy_fG21_N2JSTwvKafKDJMM_afFWmSsb=px0+kpMzmh5EWNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fG21_N2JSTwvKafKDJMM_afFWmSsb=px0+kpMzmh5EWNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ+g-fFt1fExsN+puPnCgYrfes4rga=eODPhEeK069RMH1aWSw@mail.gmail.com>

she's made her choice scott was explaining that this is not to screw the
club but something that needs to be done i can not go into details over
email however she was going way out of her way to keep the cost of this
down for us. she has done this at great expense to herself it will cost her
at least after 30 dollars a month attempting to help minimize our cost the
date given was the date we had to decide whether we wanted to continue to
have internet or lose it all together as stated in the email from Scott the
Executive and technical committees decided we will keep the Internet.
On Dec 16, 2012 10:11 AM, "Alexander Sack" <pisymbol at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 8:48 AM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> its not our account its sues account her request to us staying on site
>> has been we follow all rules and laws including the tos its in her name so
>> we have to follow her wishes also they can termanate services for  for
>> volations this means she would lose both her phone and tv as well as
>> internet as the main email said this was to inform the  club not try and
>> make a choice.
>>
> Is she looking for guidance from the technical committee regarding the
> Internet connection at home or has she made her decision?
>
> Scott's email seemed to indicate the later not the former since it
> included explanations about why she needed to do this:
>
> "The tech committee & her have both spoken to Verizon about
> what we do with the service at her property. Residential FiOS service has
> port blocking in place that would make the use of Asterisk impossible,
> along
> with dynamic security measures that are designed to block VoIP traffic."
>
> Now Paul, you are telling me it has to do with TOS not anything to do with
> technical limitations of a residential service (c'mon we both know Verizon
> is going to wave the party line to sell Susan the business account).
>
> Speaking of TOS, she had Cablevision:
>
> http://www.optimum.net/Terms
>
> Read 22. That means all these years we were in violation of the TOS.
>
> By the way, was this brought up at the meeting last Wednesday to vote on?
> If I am rehashing stuff that was already articulated to the membership body
> and voted on, I completely apologize for all the noise, I didn't know that
> since the email didn't state that.
>
> -aps
>
>
>

From cwsaums at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 10:21:45 2012
From: cwsaums at aol.com (cwsaums at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 10:21:45 -0500
Subject: [RVRC]  Internet services for W2QW
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68ACC593-5D70-4181-BC1E-13EB3EA066C8@aol.com>

I do not believe we need to discuss how others may violate or bend the terms of service rules.  If the Residential FIOS Terms of Service say No Servers then its not going to support what we need.  We go business class or we can take over the Cablevision account on our own.  Going to our own Cablevision account would require a business account anyway (Optimum Online Boost running only http on port 80) since standard service also restricts any use of servers, so I don't see the value in discussing ways to get past the rules.

> Optimum Online:
> Users may not run any type of server on the system. This includes but is not limited to FTP, IRC, SMTP, POP, HTTP, SOCKS, SQUID, DNS or any multi-user forums;
> 
> Optimum Online Boost, Optimum Online Boost Plus, and Optimum Online Ultra:
> Users may not run any servers except for a webserver (HTTP) and mail (SMTP) on the system. Users who opt to run a webserver must do so on port 80 only. Webservers running on any other port will be deemed a violation of these terms.

Lets stop trying to out lawyer the lawyers and move on in a proper way according to the rules as they are.

Craig
AC2FE

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 16, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:

> its not our account its sues account her request to us staying on site has
> been we follow all rules and laws including the tos its in her name so we
> have to follow her wishes also they can termanate services for  for
> volations this means she would lose both her phone and tv as well as
> internet as the main email said this was to inform the  club not try and
> make a choice.
> On Dec 16, 2012 12:56 AM, "Alexander Sack" <pisymbol at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 8:20 PM, David DeGeorge <dld at degeorge.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> The below is from the URL (see last sentence)
>>> http://www.verizon.net/**policies/popups/tos_popup.asp<
>> http://www.verizon.net/policies/popups/tos_popup.asp>
>>> 
>>> Pretty clear since Asterisk is a server
>>> 
>>> *Restrictions on Use.*The Service is a consumer grade service and is not
>>>> designed for or intended to be used for any commercial purpose. You may
>> not
>>>> resell, re-provision or rent the Service, (either for a fee or without
>>>> charge) or allow third parties to use the Service via wired, wireless or
>>>> other means. For example, you may not provide Internet access to third
>>>> parties through a wired or wireless connection or use the Service to
>>>> facilitate public Internet access (such as through a Wi-Fi hotspot),
>> use it
>>>> for high volume purposes, or engage in similar activities that
>> constitute
>>>> such use (commercial or non-commercial). If you subscribe to a Broadband
>>>> Service, you may connect multiple computers/devices within a single
>> home to
>>>> your modem and/or router to access the Service, but only through a
>> single
>>>> Verizon-issued IP address. You also may not exceed the bandwidth usage
>>>> limitations that Verizon may establish from time to time for the
>> Service,
>>>> or use the Service to host any type of server. Violation of this section
>>>> may result in bandwidth restrictions on your Service or suspension or
>>>> termination of your Service.
>> Why not just stick with a residential account and if Verizon complains
>> (sigh), upgrade to a business account?
>> 
>> Fact is, literally thousands of folks run web servers on their home
>> internet connection.
>> 
>> Other than TOS, is there a technical reason to have a business account?
>> 
>> -aps
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From pisymbol at gmail.com  Sun Dec 16 11:04:49 2012
From: pisymbol at gmail.com (Alexander Sack)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:04:49 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet failure at the Lund residence
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+g-fFt1fExsN+puPnCgYrfes4rga=eODPhEeK069RMH1aWSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fG21_N2JSTwvKafKDJMM_afFWmSsb=px0+kpMzmh5EWNQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fFt1fExsN+puPnCgYrfes4rga=eODPhEeK069RMH1aWSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPpy_fErJZrmxoRdjbEFycB37VeOs0Dmpmmq9Giu9Sma+ucuwQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 10:17 AM, Paul Nannery <kc2vrj at gmail.com> wrote:

> she's made her choice scott was explaining that this is not to screw the
> club but something that needs to be done i can not go into details over
> email however she was going way out of her way to keep the cost of this
> down for us. she has done this at great expense to herself it will cost her
> at least after 30 dollars a month attempting to help minimize our cost the
> date given was the date we had to decide whether we wanted to continue to
> have internet or lose it all together as stated in the email from Scott the
> Executive and technical committees decided we will keep the Internet.
>

I am trying to reduce her overall costs too. There are hidden costs to a
business account, like support. How much does she pay now for someone to
come out a look at the site when TV goes out? Is it the same? If its
significantly more, are we going to offset that cost too?  Because if not,
WE SHOULD. I assume we will have to install a firewall to protect her
network as well since she will be on Verizon's static IP block which is
known to get blasted with all kinds of crap which WILL interfere with her
home connection. I just want to make sure we aren't a burden to Susan.

No where I am insinuating anyone is trying to screw anyone. I am not
blaming Scott, I am questioning the reasons for the decision in that email.
I think you would minimally agree that the reasons you are giving me and
the ones in that email are now very different.  :-)

If we want Internet, and we want to honor Verizon's TOS fully (despite the
fact I feel our use case they would accept on a residential line), then we
should get our own connection and not burden Susan's line which is clearly
meant for residential use and not piggy back off of it. That's my 2 cents.
That way our usage doesn't interfere with hers.

You guys have clearly made all the decisions in advance, so that's that. If
an email was sent explaining Susan's issue and its impact to the club, we
could have hashed this all out as a group via this wonderful mailing list
we're all apart of. (otherwise you can change its name to "Gerry's Birthday
Announcements" (I hope Gerry you got a laugh out of that!)).

Its not to second guess every decision you make Paul (since that is what
gets you miffed), its to understand why the recommendation was made and
discuss it as a group. Ultimately, I am fine with what you guys did even
though I think we would have been perfectly fine with a residential account
(since I know at least one person on this list that runs an Asterisk PBX on
their home internet connection with zero issue).

Anyway, please give Susan all the best with her Internet provider
migration, that can always be painful but FIOS is a wonderful service so I
think she made the right decision.

-aps

From wj2r at msn.com  Sun Dec 16 11:18:28 2012
From: wj2r at msn.com (Dennis Kopecky)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:18:28 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Internet, Verizon, and ... @ our rptr. site
Message-ID: <BAY161-W4197149E0ACEB840AC8F2198330@phx.gbl>





All, As we are all thinking this through, I'd also like to ask that we think about the effects on the ECHOLINK node we do use, and IRLP, for that matter, but don't use anymore, and what are the effects on individuals like me, connecting thru ECHOLINK to RVRC, or anywhere else, because we are on one of the ISP's like Verizon, with respects to Craig, AC2FE, for bringing Comcast's point of view into the discussion, in a previous email. Are individuals still going to be able to connect via ECHOLINK, or is this going to be the death of VoIP for amateurs and Skype users alike ? We might as well think it thru whether we will be able to offer to listen on ECHOLINK for individuals to connect into our (any) rptr., or because we are on the ASTERISK system. What are we going to get for all of our efforts to comply, meaning that we get what we want, not just agree to a business account/connection, and still can't have what need to operate as we do.  73, Dennis, W2IU  		 	   		  

From cwsaums at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 12:10:10 2012
From: cwsaums at aol.com (cwsaums at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:10:10 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] W2QW repeater and Internet questions
In-Reply-To: <CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001cddb12$6d307940$47916bc0$@comcast.net>
	<CAPpy_fGuZUBS3VROqncG4QKMWfCj66t+2K0tuUBAxS5R9yBmFg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fGEtqkQ=k7hrbtvNqOmwFepW3UcgTyaWMVeC-JYw9MtVg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPpy_fEY565z9dMRX4eKiFOVJkiRVSiD5uCaPatPcO0T6wzeKg@mail.gmail.com>
	<50CD21F5.3000307@degeorge.org>
	<CAPpy_fG3TWrR_1-kL2hBwLdyB6KqY0Cm3yBsierrxJd0U2HoRg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJ+g-fET_s997TBtE6OH+7+m_fKKOsXh=nQWwk5rS1riJ7GKmQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E453BABC-5DAD-45C6-9B74-55D0884DF46E@aol.com>

The W2QW machines are controlled by our system computer that relies on the Asterisk PBX software.  This software is based on Voip and it not only allows for local control of the club repeaters but it allows linking to external systems when the Internet is available. Access to ECHOLINK and to our net partners (currently K2ETS, and formerly the machines linked to the KB2EAR hub) requires Internet access.  The ALLSTARlink.org WebTransceiver access that allows you to connect to any ALLSTARlink machine anywhere in the world and then call up our RVRC machines (same concept as IRLP) also requires Internet.  Even regular IRLP would require Internet if that proprietary system would allow coexistence with other Internet based control systems.  Access to our machines using cell phone apps, computer apps and other non RF means all require Internet.

Removing the Internet would require a total restructuring of the W2QW system and it would remove our current net capabilities.  Using a dedicated RF link to other systems would require cooperation by the other groups and in the current situation, we do not have finances to replace the computer based repeater controls with hardware controllers and RF links to manage them.

The club elects officers to represents the club's best interest.  The technical committee tries very hard to keep us on the air with the most reliable system we can provide, with the best ability to manage the system and to manage the costs.

If we are going to second guess every decision and haggle about every technical detail at meetings, we are not going to have a reliable system nor will we be able to move forward.  I do not personally want to see us get into a gridlock situation.   Please trust the officer's decision and the technical committee's intentions and recommendations.  I know I don't have any personal interest in Cavlevision, or Verizon. We are 'tenants' at the Lund site and we rely on sharing the services because we cannot realistically fully separate the services at this time or in the near future.

Let's please chalk this up to our 'cost of doing business'.  If Susan needs to go to FIOS because of poor service by Cablevision then we need to find a way to support that move.  She could disconnect Cablevision on her own and go straight to residential FIOS leaving us on our own to figure out a solution.  She doesn't have to let us connect to the house internet source.  In the longer view, Asterisk requires the Internet to link with the ALLSTARlink network.  Removing Asterisk is not practical due to the investment in hardware and support that are already built in.  We have discussed these alternatives before so let's move on..

Respectfully
Craig Saums
AC2FE

Sent from my iPad

From marvbrons at verizon.net  Sun Dec 16 12:34:38 2012
From: marvbrons at verizon.net (marvin bronstein)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 12:34:38 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] (no subject)
Message-ID: <C6C2728B6EC54FE6AE64FD21E8C800BF@marvbronsPC>

Fellow RVRC members,
First allow me to express my feelings and opinion that what Craig* has written here should be followed by the club.  In cases where clubs grow to be a sizeable group, the format of our club (head officers and appointed committees) where the membership at large is asked to 'vote' on all matters, ceases to work well.  We are too large a group to continue the practice of every member having a voice in every action that any committee wants to take.  Clubs that are large as ours and larger clubs have formed an organization run by a "Board of Directors" headed by officers elected from the membership at-large.  The membership therefore makes 'policy determinations' by popular vote but the 'workings' of the club are relegated to the Board and officers.  
If RVRC members do not wish to 'convert' to such a form of 'business', we must all agree that the committees appointed should be allowed to do their work without the constant "micro-managing" that clogs up the efforts.  We all, essentially, are together in this hobby and in this club as a 'past-time' and this shouldn't become an 'anvil' hanging on our necks!
The Committees should be allowed, unfettered, to conduct their work WITHIN the financial limits set forth by the membership at large!  (They do this now.)

Please offer up your support to Craig and our officers in their efforts for the benefits to the club.  I am certain that, in the end, we will all be happy with the outcomes.  But keep in mind, we are a HOBBY,  and ham radio activity is a PASTIME which should NEVER INTERFERE WITH FAMILY AND OBLIGATIONS!  If it takes a little longer to get where we want to go, let it be a goal we can work towards........it'll happen in good time.  If any member feels that they can advance the cause with a financial 'stimulus' please don't give it a second thought and go ahead....GIVE! (It could help us make our goals even faster!)

Fraternally.

73,
Marv, K2VHW    
*Tech. committee chairman                                                            
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~HAPPY HOLIDAYS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 


The W2QW machines are controlled by our system computer that relies on the Asterisk PBX software. This software is based on Voip and it not only allows for local control of the club repeaters but it allows linking to external systems when the Internet is available. Access to ECHOLINK and to our net partners (currently K2ETS, and formerly the machines linked to the KB2EAR hub) requires Internet access. The ALLSTARlink.org WebTransceiver access that allows you to connect to any ALLSTARlink machine anywhere in the world and then call up our RVRC machines (same concept as IRLP) also requires Internet. Even regular IRLP would require Internet if that proprietary system would allow coexistence with other Internet based control systems. Access to our machines using cell phone apps, computer apps and other non RF means all require Internet.

Removing the Internet would require a total restructuring of the W2QW system and it would remove our current net capabilities. Using a dedicated RF link to other systems would require cooperation by the other groups and in the current situation, we do not have finances to replace the computer based repeater controls with hardware controllers and RF links to manage them.

The club elects officers to represents the club's best interest. The technical committee tries very hard to keep us on the air with the most reliable system we can provide, with the best ability to manage the system and to manage the costs.

If we are going to second guess every decision and haggle about every technical detail at meetings, we are not going to have a reliable system nor will we be able to move forward. I do not personally want to see us get into a gridlock situation. Please trust the officer's decision and the technical committee's intentions and recommendations. I know I don't have any personal interest in Cablevision, or Verizon. We are 'tenants' at the Lund site and we rely on sharing the services because we cannot realistically fully separate the services at this time or in the near future.

Let's please chalk this up to our 'cost of doing business'. If Susan needs to go to FIOS because of poor service by Cablevision then we need to find a way to support that move. She could disconnect Cablevision on her own and go straight to residential FIOS leaving us on our own to figure out a solution. She doesn't have to let us connect to the house internet source. In the longer view, Asterisk requires the Internet to link with the ALLSTARlink network. Removing Asterisk is not practical due to the investment in hardware and support that are already built in. We have discussed these alternatives before so let's move on..

Respectfully
Craig Saums
AC2FE

From jefflih at aol.com  Sun Dec 16 13:58:22 2012
From: jefflih at aol.com (jefflih at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 13:58:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [RVRC] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <C6C2728B6EC54FE6AE64FD21E8C800BF@marvbronsPC>
References: <C6C2728B6EC54FE6AE64FD21E8C800BF@marvbronsPC>
Message-ID: <8CFA9D67479CFAA-1A94-15900@webmail-m158.sysops.aol.com>

Hats off to Marv.
I am an associate member and thus do not have voting priviledges but I 
want to support the club.
I have already paid my dues for 2013.
The tech committee knows what they are doing and are working in the 
best interests of the club.
The also have to consider situations that are out of their control and 
react accordingly.
Sort of a tight rope act that can get tricky.
Give them your full support
Best 73 with respect to all
N2VHV (Jeff)

-----Original Message-----
From: marvin bronstein <marvbrons at verizon.net>
To: RVRC Distribution <rvrc at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sun, Dec 16, 2012 12:34 pm
Subject: [RVRC] (no subject)

Fellow RVRC members,
First allow me to express my feelings and opinion that what Craig* has 
written here should be followed by the club.  In cases where clubs grow 
to be a sizeable group, the format of our club (head officers and 
appointed committees) where the membership at large is asked to 'vote' 
on all matters, ceases to work well.  We are too large a group to 
continue the practice of every member having a voice in every action 
that any committee wants to take.  Clubs that are large as ours and 
larger clubs have formed an organization run by a "Board of Directors" 
headed by officers elected from the membership at-large.  The 
membership therefore makes 'policy determinations' by popular vote but 
the 'workings' of the club are relegated to the Board and officers.
If RVRC members do not wish to 'convert' to such a form of 'business', 
we must all agree that the committees appointed should be allowed to do 
their work without the constant "micro-managing" that clogs up the 
efforts.  We all, essentially, are together in this hobby and in this 
club as a 'past-time' and this shouldn't become an 'anvil' hanging on 
our necks!
The Committees should be allowed, unfettered, to conduct their work 
WITHIN the financial limits set forth by the membership at large!  
(They do this now.)

Please offer up your support to Craig and our officers in their efforts 
for the benefits to the club.  I am certain that, in the end, we will 
all be happy with the outcomes.  But keep in mind, we are a HOBBY,  and 
ham radio activity is a PASTIME which should NEVER INTERFERE WITH 
FAMILY AND OBLIGATIONS!  If it takes a little longer to get where we 
want to go, let it be a goal we can work towards........it'll happen in 
good time.  If any member feels that they can advance the cause with a 
financial 'stimulus' please don't give it a second thought and go 
ahead....GIVE! (It could help us make our goals even faster!)

Fraternally.

73,
Marv, K2VHW
*Tech. committee chairman                                               

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~HAPPY 
HOLIDAYS~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


The W2QW machines are controlled by our system computer that relies on 
the Asterisk PBX software. This software is based on Voip and it not 
only allows for local control of the club repeaters but it allows 
linking to external systems when the Internet is available. Access to 
ECHOLINK and to our net partners (currently K2ETS, and formerly the 
machines linked to the KB2EAR hub) requires Internet access. The 
ALLSTARlink.org WebTransceiver access that allows you to connect to any 
ALLSTARlink machine anywhere in the world and then call up our RVRC 
machines (same concept as IRLP) also requires Internet. Even regular 
IRLP would require Internet if that proprietary system would allow 
coexistence with other Internet based control systems. Access to our 
machines using cell phone apps, computer apps and other non RF means 
all require Internet.

Removing the Internet would require a total restructuring of the W2QW 
system and it would remove our current net capabilities. Using a 
dedicated RF link to other systems would require cooperation by the 
other groups and in the current situation, we do not have finances to 
replace the computer based repeater controls with hardware controllers 
and RF links to manage them.

The club elects officers to represents the club's best interest. The 
technical committee tries very hard to keep us on the air with the most 
reliable system we can provide, with the best ability to manage the 
system and to manage the costs.

If we are going to second guess every decision and haggle about every 
technical detail at meetings, we are not going to have a reliable 
system nor will we be able to move forward. I do not personally want to 
see us get into a gridlock situation. Please trust the officer's 
decision and the technical committee's intentions and recommendations. 
I know I don't have any personal interest in Cablevision, or Verizon. 
We are 'tenants' at the Lund site and we rely on sharing the services 
because we cannot realistically fully separate the services at this 
time or in the near future.

Let's please chalk this up to our 'cost of doing business'. If Susan 
needs to go to FIOS because of poor service by Cablevision then we need 
to find a way to support that move. She could disconnect Cablevision on 
her own and go straight to residential FIOS leaving us on our own to 
figure out a solution. She doesn't have to let us connect to the house 
internet source. In the longer view, Asterisk requires the Internet to 
link with the ALLSTARlink network. Removing Asterisk is not practical 
due to the investment in hardware and support that are already built 
in. We have discussed these alternatives before so let's move on..

Respectfully
Craig Saums
AC2FE
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From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (Pete Fierro)
Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 14:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RVRC] Fw: Dsrc Digest, Vol 87, Issue 3
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Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2012 17:05:28 -0500
From: Gary Wilson <k2gw at optonline.net>
To: w2zq-membership at googlegroups.com, Dsrc at lists.epiphanydesign.net
Subject: [Dsrc] Radio Merit Badge - Saturday January 12 2013
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It's late but I just got the OK from TCNJ? for us to run our annual Radio
Merit Badge Day there on Saturday January 12, 2013.? So I need a quick head
count of hams who will be
 willing to help teach it again.? No experience is
necessary.? Instructors will need to be there from 8 AM to 4 PM.? We always
have a lot of fun



I'd like to get a tnetive assignment list out by Wednesday.



John:



Can you get the registration site up quickly?



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From overthetop52 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 17 13:16:39 2012
From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (Pete Fierro)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 10:16:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RVRC] Ho Ho Ho
Message-ID: <1355768199.89944.YahooMailNeo@web161901.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c_9REVC4dtc

From n2gj at amsat.org  Tue Dec 18 15:33:15 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2012 15:33:15 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Radio Merit Badge Day - Saturday January 12,
 2013 - The College of New Jersey, Ewing, NJ
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsrTvhWMtUKQNEXdHdraqy=wGhjfm5=yhcWQYV3KWiROgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Radio Merit Badge Day - Saturday January 12, 2013 - The College of New
Jersey, Ewing, NJ

Gary Wilson <k2gw at optonline.net> Dec 17 04:33PM -0500

FYI. Please forward to any Scouts or leaders that you know. And we can
use some more hams to help teach and demo Amateur Radio. If you?re
available and haven?t let me know already, please send an e-mail to
k2gw at arrl.net

Thanks & 73

Gary, K2GW


----------------------------------------------------


Radio Merit Badge Day

Saturday January 12, 2013

The College of New Jersey

Ewing New Jersey


Are you interested in helping people during disasters? Want to learn
about satellites and high tech electronics? Want your computer to
connect around the world via wireless? Think it would be cool to talk
to Astronauts in space? Then explore the world of wireless
communications through Radio Merit Badge!

To help Boy Scouts get the badge in one day, a Radio Merit Badge class
will be held Saturday, January 12, 2013. The class is limited to the
first fifty Scouts who register. Adults interested in learning about
radio are welcome to participate.

Date: Saturday 12 January 2013

Time: 8:45 AM to 3:00 PM

Location: Armstrong Hall, The College of New Jersey (2000 Pennington
Rd, Ewing NJ 08628-0718)



Directions:

* From I-95 North: Take I-95 North to exit 4 (Route 31/Pennington
Road). Bear to the right off the exit ramp, you will be traveling
south on Route 31. At the third traffic light (about 1.5 miles), make
a left into the College entrance.
* From I-295 North (becomes I-95 South): Take I-295 North (becomes
I-95 South) to exit 4 (Route 31/Pennington Road). Turn left at the
exit ramp onto Pennington Road/Route 31 South toward Ewing. At the
fourth traffic light (about 1.5 miles), make a left into the College
entrance.
* <http://tcnj.pages.tcnj.edu/about/campus-info/campus-map/> Campus Map
* <http://tcnj.pages.tcnj.edu/about/campus-info/directions-to-tcnj/>
TCNJ Driving Directions


Cost: The class is free.



Here?s what you need to do in advance:

1. Register online by clicking
<http://www.emailmeform.com/fid.php?formid=26501> HERE.
<http://radiomb.home.comcast.net/> http://radiomb.home.comcast.net/
2. Read the 2008 or newer Radio Merit Badge pamphlet pages 1-67 and 89-91.
3. Print a copy of this
<http://radiomb.home.comcast.net/~radiomb/workbook.pdf> Radio Merit
Badge Workbook.
4. Draw the chart of the Electromagnetic Spectrum (Requirement 3 a, b,
c) in the Radio Merit Badge Workbook before the class. That way you?ll
be less rushed during the class.



On the day of the class:

1. Report to Armstrong Hall by 8:45 AM on Saturday morning. If your
leaders or parents aren?t staying, make sure that you are picked up at
3:00 PM.
2. Bring the following to the class:

a. A signed copy of the
<http://radiomb.home.comcast.net/~radiomb/permission.html> permission
form.
b. A fully completed Merit Badge Application card for Radio Merit
Badge signed by your Scoutmaster.
c. Your printed copy of the
<http://radiomb.home.comcast.net/~radiomb/workbook.pdf> Radio Merit
Badge Workbook.
d. Your completed chart of the Electromagnetic Spectrum in the workbook.
e. Evidence of any requirements you may have completed in advance.
f. A bag lunch and drink.
g. A pen and pencil.
h. A notebook or clipboard to write on.
i. Proper uniform, good behavior and interest!



If you have any questions about the class, please DO NOT call The
College of New Jersey.

* General questions: Gary Wilson at 609-890-3370 or email mailto:k2gw at arrl.net.
* Registration questions: John DeGood at 609-324-4448 or email
mailto:radiomb at comcast.net.

From gjurrens at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 09:14:43 2012
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 09:14:43 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy birthday, Bob, WB2UDC!
Message-ID: <0742ED94-0309-40FB-9636-F52C3313D4D5@gmail.com>

ARL FORTY SIX BOB WB2UDC X HAVE A GREAT YEAR X 73

GJ
Sent from my iPhone4
Pls 4give typos & brevity


From n2gj at amsat.org  Wed Dec 19 16:49:52 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 16:49:52 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Walter Chase KC2EVL (1 year anniversary of SK on 12/21/2012)
Message-ID: <CAO2dfspRu5q=_piXk63xswAXPtxJ82o2nXr76nH+Uhk4hZDYSw@mail.gmail.com>

I was going through my calendar for events in the coming days (Mayans
be damned) and was reminded it's been almost a year since Walter left
us...gosh I miss him!  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From drumor at optonline.net  Wed Dec 19 17:32:04 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2012 17:32:04 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Walter Chase KC2EVL (1 year anniversary of SK on
	12/21/2012)
In-Reply-To: <CAO2dfspRu5q=_piXk63xswAXPtxJ82o2nXr76nH+Uhk4hZDYSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2dfspRu5q=_piXk63xswAXPtxJ82o2nXr76nH+Uhk4hZDYSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002b01cdde38$ac3f5920$04be0b60$@optonline.net>

I also miss Walter and how in a contest I would always hear him calling the
locals in the heat of the contest to give them a point and to just say
hello. He managed to work a tremendous number of station on a G5RV Jr. I can
imagine how the new antenna in his hands would perform. He had the
personality to converse with anyone.

73,
Drew
W2OU

-----Original Message-----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of N2GJ_AMSAT
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 4:50 PM
To: rvrc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [RVRC] Walter Chase KC2EVL (1 year anniversary of SK on 12/21/2012)

I was going through my calendar for events in the coming days (Mayans be
damned) and was reminded it's been almost a year since Walter left us...gosh
I miss him!  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org


From bob at cooper.edu  Thu Dec 20 10:53:30 2012
From: bob at cooper.edu (Prof Bob Hopkins)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2012 10:53:30 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Walter Chase KC2EVL (1 year anniversary of SK on
	12/21/2012)
In-Reply-To: <CAO2dfspRu5q=_piXk63xswAXPtxJ82o2nXr76nH+Uhk4hZDYSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2dfspRu5q=_piXk63xswAXPtxJ82o2nXr76nH+Uhk4hZDYSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <50D3347A.8000103@cooper.edu>

Wow, time does pass very fast.  I do miss him "......KC2EVL here". I 
miss his kindness both on the air and off.  He showed respect and 
represented what is great about our club and hobby.
Thanks to all of you for the birthday greetings Happy Holidays!
73,
bob wb2udc (here)
On 12/19/2012 4:49 PM, N2GJ_AMSAT wrote:
> I was going through my calendar for events in the coming days (Mayans
> be damned) and was reminded it's been almost a year since Walter left
> us...gosh I miss him!  73,
>
> GJ
> Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
> mailto:n2gj at amsat.org
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From n2gj at amsat.org  Fri Dec 21 10:14:42 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 15:14:42 +0000
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Kurt K2URT
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsqRDLeJ8UQ6fiseM-7RCq5xiLr8hqHCDnKF6BUVt92jKQ@mail.gmail.com>

All the best on your special day!  We'll always remember 12/21 as the
day the world DIDN'T end on Kurt's birthday!  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From overthetop52 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 14:04:54 2012
From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (Pete Fierro)
Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:04:54 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RVRC] Sunday Night Net
Message-ID: <1356203094.23605.YahooMailNeo@web161903.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

????? Hi all
????? Could someone do the net Sunday night?I'm unable.Merry Christmas/Happy Hanukkah to all....73..Pete KD2ARB 

From drumor at optonline.net  Sun Dec 23 10:48:05 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 10:48:05 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Youtube for hams who are men; women are forbidden to watch!
Message-ID: <002b01cde124$e6180ae0$b24820a0$@optonline.net>

This is too funny!

-----Original Message-----
From: WALTER FROEHLICH [mailto:W2WIQ at VERIZON.NET] 
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 6:31 AM
Subject: Youtube for hams who are men; women are forbidden to watch!


 Subject: Youtube for hams who are men; women are forbidden to watch!
 Guys, learn an important lesson here:


  Here is a hilarious ham radio-related youtube video. Very clever. It's 
about the kind of woman whom we all have to be on the look-out for.  When 
you see her, shout "Look Out!"

 I hope this never happens to any of us.  I swear the ham in the video is 
not me.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OidowSpbxJo 



From n2gj at amsat.org  Sun Dec 23 14:24:29 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:24:29 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Larry Stein N2LS!
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsr-cW0hgKcgPHmaf0g5-v5nG6Q=69HbLZgqFjMP03wh1w@mail.gmail.com>

Even though I haven't heard from Larry in a long time (I hope he's
doing well), I though it fitting, since it is his birthday, to send
out birthday greetings!

All the best on your birthday, Larry, and best wishes for many more to
come!  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From ljstein at optonline.net  Sun Dec 23 14:46:14 2012
From: ljstein at optonline.net (Larry)
Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2012 14:46:14 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Larry Stein N2LS!
In-Reply-To: <CAO2dfsr-cW0hgKcgPHmaf0g5-v5nG6Q=69HbLZgqFjMP03wh1w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2dfsr-cW0hgKcgPHmaf0g5-v5nG6Q=69HbLZgqFjMP03wh1w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6EAE53102ABD44A4AA2493A0FFB7966F@LarryDualCore>

Well, thank you very much!
Larry, N2LS 

-----Original Message-----
From: rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:rvrc-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of N2GJ_AMSAT
Sent: Sunday, December 23, 2012 2:24 PM
To: rvrc at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Larry Stein N2LS!

Even though I haven't heard from Larry in a long time (I hope he's doing
well), I though it fitting, since it is his birthday, to send out birthday
greetings!

All the best on your birthday, Larry, and best wishes for many more to come!
73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org
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From n2gj at amsat.org  Mon Dec 24 08:58:43 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:58:43 +0000
Subject: [RVRC] Remember this building?! St. Peter High School, New Brunswick,
	NJ
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsoOFBW6yDXeDuJNUxJRmVwia1qqxaxNtUCC+2=GJJ07+Q@mail.gmail.com>

Remember this?  A classmate posted the attached photo on Facebook this AM.

Our Electronics Club (ham radio station) was in that upper floor on
the right. It was not used as a classroom when we were in school
1962-1966. We "borrowed" a master key and made an impression to copy
it, and had free rein to come and go as we pleased. We strung wires
across the roof for antennas, and talked to other hams around the
world from WB2SKY!  What fun! Probably my best memories of SPHS.

Merry Christmas!  73,


GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From drumor at optonline.net  Tue Dec 25 09:57:46 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 09:57:46 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] The Night Before Christmas
Message-ID: <002101cde2b0$339de640$9ad9b2c0$@optonline.net>


The Night Before Christmas -- for Hams
by Gary Pearce, KN4AQ

T'was the night before Christmas,
And all through two-meters,
Not a signal was keying up
Any repeaters.

The antennas reached up

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Mon Dec 24 23:31:36 2012
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2012 04:31:36 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.0.1356447478.2489.rvrc@mailman.qth.net>

To catch the weak signals
That bounced from the sky.

The children, Tech-Pluses,
Took their HT's to bed,
And dreamed of the day
They'd be Extras, instead.

Mom put on her headphones,
I plugged in the key,
And we tuned 40 meters
For that rare ZK3.

When the meter was pegged
by a signal with power.
It smoked a small diode,
and, I swear, shook the tower.

Mom yanked off her phones,
And with all she could muster
Logged a spot of the signal
On the DX PacketCluster,

While I ran to the window
And peered up at the sky,
To see what could generate
RF that high.

It was way in the distance,
But the moon made it gleam -
A flying sleigh, with an
Eight element beam,

And a little old driver
who looked slightly mean.
So I thought for a moment,
That it might be Wayne Green.

But no, it was Santa
The Santa of Hams.
On a mission, this Christmas
To clean up the bands.

He circled the tower,
Then stopped in his track,
And he slid down the coax
Right into the shack.

While Mom and I hid
Behind stacks of CQ,
This Santa of hamming
Knew just what to do.

He cleared off the shack desk
Of paper and parts,
And filled out all my late QSLs
For a start.

He ran copper braid,
Took a steel rod and pounded
It into the earth, till
The station was grounded.

He tightened loose fittings,
Resoldered connections,
Cranked down modulation,
Installed lightning protection.

He neutralized tubes
In my linear amp...
(Never worked right before --
Now it works like a champ).

A new, low-pass filter
Cleaned up the TV,
He corrected the settings
In my TNC.

He repaired the computer
That would not compute,
And he backed up the hard drive
And got it to boot.

Then, he reached really deep
In the bag that he brought,
And he pulled out a big box,
"A new rig?" I thought!

"A new Kenwood? An Icom?
A Yaesu, for me?!"
(If he thought I'd been bad
it might be QRP!)

Yes! The Ultimate Station!
How could I deserve this?
Could it be all those hours
that I worked Public Service?

He hooked it all up
And in record time, quickly
Worked 100 countries,
All down on 160.

I should have been happy,
It was my call he sent,
But the cards and the postage
Will cost two month's rent!

He made final adjustments,
And left a card by the key:
"To Gary, from Santa Claus.
Seventy-Three."

Then he grabbed his HT,
Looked me straight in the eye,
Punched a code on the pad,
And was gone - no good bye.

I ran back to the station,
And the pile-up was big,
But a card from St. Nick
Would be worth my new rig.

Oh, too late, for his final
came over the air.
It was copied all over.
It was heard everywhere.

The Ham's Santa exclaimed
What a ham might expect,
"Merry Christmas to all,
And to all, good DX."

copyright 1996 Gary Pearce KN4AQ
Permission granted for any print or electronic reproduction.
kn4aq.gary at mms.net


From n2gj at amsat.org  Wed Dec 26 11:50:59 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:50:59 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Dennis Kopecky WJ2R
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsqgCFbaeNS5FGPSFNBoxeqmJY2nb3zm2T20L8-zwR_KFA@mail.gmail.com>

All the best to a great guy - our Curmudgeon-in-Chief, the REAL mayor
of Linden, NJ, and ham radio operator extraordinaire, Dennis, WJ2R!
Happy Birthday, Dennis!

And, from one December Birthday person to another:  hope they didn't
gyp you by lumping your birthday and Christmas gifts together like
they always did for me!  <G>  Of course, this year I didn't mind cuz
it turned out to be a KX3!

Best 73, live long and prosper!

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From w2iu at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 26 13:11:04 2012
From: w2iu at hotmail.com (Dennis Kopecky)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 13:11:04 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Dennis Kopecky WJ2R
In-Reply-To: <CAO2dfsqgCFbaeNS5FGPSFNBoxeqmJY2nb3zm2T20L8-zwR_KFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2dfsqgCFbaeNS5FGPSFNBoxeqmJY2nb3zm2T20L8-zwR_KFA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL108-W2614BE9E8C34ABC8CF54B096390@phx.gbl>


And a Dear Thank You to You All !! Gerry, you do a wonderful job with these little reminders all along the year, that besides me, I am sure the rest of us who have been so remembered, and honored, appreciate it very much.  For those of you who worry that with a December birthday, that we might get gypped, especially so close to Christmas, let me set my situation to rest. Both of my parents came from large, well, larger than me anyway, as I was an only child (!), and yes, my cousins, aunts and uncles, grandparents, thinking was the same, thank God for psychology, that I was going to get gypped, so wouldn't you know it, they all over-compensated for my supposed "misfortune", and I am pleased to say that I was treated very well by all of them !  God Bless each and every one of them, and may they rest in peace ! So, go ahead, you're welcome to continue to spoil me and overcompensate me in any way you choose, for having a birthday so close to Christmas !! Nope, no KX3 for me yet, but the day is still young ... , Actually, I am very grateful to have all of you as friends and hams to chat with and work, whether its DX, or just plain day-to-day baloney, that is in no way related to ham radio, 73, and Best Wishes for a Most Happy New Year to all of you ! Dennis, W2IU    
 > Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 11:50:59 -0500
> From: n2gj at amsat.org
> To: wj2r at msn.com; rvrc at mailman.qth.net; njqrp at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Dennis Kopecky WJ2R
> 
> All the best to a great guy - our Curmudgeon-in-Chief, the REAL mayor
> of Linden, NJ, and ham radio operator extraordinaire, Dennis, WJ2R!
> Happy Birthday, Dennis!
> 
> And, from one December Birthday person to another:  hope they didn't
> gyp you by lumping your birthday and Christmas gifts together like
> they always did for me!  <G>  Of course, this year I didn't mind cuz
> it turned out to be a KX3!
> 
> Best 73, live long and prosper!
> 
> GJ
> Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
> mailto:n2gj at amsat.org
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From n2gj at amsat.org  Wed Dec 26 15:02:07 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2012 15:02:07 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday, Dennis Kopecky W2IU (ex-WJ2R)
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsp4=jwCDr0G6sAA5-u7n=a+O6zAM2UxmdjD3M4BctUXAA@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah, I ALWAYS forget that Dennis dumped WJ2R for W2IU a long time
ago...sorry about that, Dennis!  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org


On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Prof Bob Hopkins <bob at cooper.edu> wrote:
> Gerry,
> As another dec baby, I got a kx3 as well cept i got it earlier than the
> bday.  Cool and complex radio.  Have to play with it more. Merry Christmas
> and Happy New Year.
> de
> bob wb2udc
>
> On 12/26/2012 11:50 AM, N2GJ_AMSAT wrote:
>>
>> All the best to a great guy - our Curmudgeon-in-Chief, the REAL mayor
>> of Linden, NJ, and ham radio operator extraordinaire, Dennis, WJ2R!
>> Happy Birthday, Dennis!
>>
>> And, from one December Birthday person to another:  hope they didn't
>> gyp you by lumping your birthday and Christmas gifts together like
>> they always did for me!  <G>  Of course, this year I didn't mind cuz
>> it turned out to be a KX3!
>>
>> Best 73, live long and prosper!
>>
>> GJ
>> Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
>> mailto:n2gj at amsat.org
>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>
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>
>

From drumor at optonline.net  Thu Dec 27 18:04:52 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:04:52 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Interesting article shared by KB2ZZW of W2CRA
Message-ID: <000001cde486$94aeb2c0$be0c1840$@optonline.net>

This is a good news article/blog.

http://tinyurl.com/cfjy8wc 

73,
Drew


From drumor at optonline.net  Fri Dec 28 14:38:07 2012
From: drumor at optonline.net (drew Moore)
Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2012 14:38:07 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] FW: Warning! : ETHANOL  FUEL
In-Reply-To: <B0B5F08CFF9F4F0DA86DFA9FAD7D83CC@marvbronsPC>
References: <B0B5F08CFF9F4F0DA86DFA9FAD7D83CC@marvbronsPC>
Message-ID: <001701cde532$dd2c5cd0$97851670$@optonline.net>

 

 

From: Marvin Bronstein [mailto:marvbrons at verizon.net] 
Sent: Friday, December 28, 2012 11:26 AM
To: Moore, Drew
Subject: Fw: Warning! : ETHANOL FUEL

 

 

Drew,

This is a good notice to pass to everyone.............and even those who
have emergency generators.......WATCH-OUT for E15 fuel.  Only vehicles
specifically specifying "E85" or "FLEX-FUEL" can use anything over E10 (10%
Ethanol content).

 

Marvin

 

 

 

 

VERY IMPORTANT!

Watch this video from Fox Business...if your CAR IS OLDER THAN 2012 you need
to AVOID THE NEW E15 GAS that is just starting to show up at gas stations.
Most car companies will not honor the warranty on your car if you use this
new gas.

 <http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/>
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/2000862202001/

Please pass this on to everyone you know.

 
When you google E15 fuel there are many sites with the same info.



 

 


 

 

 

 


From gjurrens at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 08:48:04 2012
From: gjurrens at gmail.com (Gerry Jurrens)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2012 08:48:04 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday Frank KC2IGV!
Message-ID: <A7353B5C-7BEB-4AEB-B423-96BEDA774E84@gmail.com>

* Francisco Franco, Jr. KC2IGV 12/30

All the best on your birthday, Frank, and best wishes for many more to come! 73


GJ
Sent from my iPhone4
Pls 4give typos & brevity


From overthetop52 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 30 15:57:28 2012
From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (Pete Fierro)
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 12:57:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RVRC] Internet up
Message-ID: <1356901048.85719.YahooMailNeo@web161906.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

?????? Hi All
????? We have internet up&running on our repeaters.Allstar&Echolink connectivity are available......73..Pete

From n2gj at amsat.org  Mon Dec 31 12:34:11 2012
From: n2gj at amsat.org (N2GJ_AMSAT)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 12:34:11 -0500
Subject: [RVRC] Happy Birthday to Jeff AC2X!
Message-ID: <CAO2dfsqMKvQ+oj2gGKfpnoHWcnCMyNtQQwm_itEiJ2RG8yiX5Q@mail.gmail.com>

Long time, no see - hope you're doing well.  Hope 2013 is better than all
the prior years!  ARL FORTY SIX.  73,

GJ
Gerry Jurrens N2GJ
mailto:n2gj at amsat.org

From overthetop52 at yahoo.com  Mon Dec 31 22:47:20 2012
From: overthetop52 at yahoo.com (Pete Fierro)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 19:47:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [RVRC] HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Message-ID: <1357012040.91322.YahooMailNeo@web161905.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

????? Happy New Year to all...73..Pette



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihXkrClc8KE

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Dec 30 00:24:18 2012
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:24:18 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.107.1358811205.2428.rvrc@mailman.qth.net>

CO.=20
http://www.timescall.com/news/ci_22410766
The newspaper report includes "According to the latest numbers from the =
National Association for Amateur Radio, there were 704,236 amateur radio =
license holders in the U.S. as of March 2012, an all-time high. That =
figure is up from 662,600 in 2005."

From bogus@does.not.exist.com  Sun Dec 30 00:24:18 2012
From: bogus@does.not.exist.com ()
Date: Sun, 30 Dec 2012 05:24:18 -0000
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <mailman.129.1359381500.2428.rvrc@mailman.qth.net>

Re: Digest Number
1917<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FlexRadio/message/13920;_ylc=X3oDMTJzYmIyMXVjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NDIzNTYyBGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA2MzEwOARtc2dJZAMxMzkyMARzZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDdm1zZwRzdGltZQMxMzU5MzY1NjQ2>
Sun Jan 27, 2013 8:09 pm (PST) . Posted by:"George Dykes"
n5gtd<n5gtd at cox.net?subject=Re%3A%20Digest%20Number%201917>
I have a Flex 3000 for sale in Perfect condition, Origonal box too.

It has been opened by Flex for MARS Frequencies. Everything works Perfectly.

1250.00 and it is yours.

n5gtd at cox.net

