[R-390] R-390 Digest, Vol 263, Issue 20
Russ Dworakowski
wb3fau55 at neo.rr.com
Fri Jun 26 14:41:45 EDT 2026
I see no need
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> 1. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (Les Locklear)
> 2. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (Tom Bruns)
> 3. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (James A. (Andy) Moorer)
> 4. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO (n4buq)
> 5. SWITCH. (Greg Mengell)
> 6. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (JOS K1JOS)
> 7. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (Bob kb8tq)
> 8. Re: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> (JOS K1JOS)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 11:32:40 -0500
> From: "Les Locklear" <leslocklear at outlook.com>
> To: "Dave Merrill" <r390a.urr at gmail.com>
> Cc: "R-390 at mailman.qth.net" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
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> Well said, Dave.
>
> As a long time member, It doesn't matter to me.
>
> I no longer own any of the R-390 series or any vacuum receivers save for a 1940 RCA Console.
>
> All of my remaining receivers or transceivers are solid state, an Icom 756 Pro III and Racal 6790 with all the bells and whistles.
>
> I'm 82, most of the old-time regulars have seemed to have disappeared or have passed away. I keep subscribed to the list for the occasional
> interesting post.
>
> There is very little to listen to shortwave wise even though I can hear BBC via long path most mornings. Ham nets and if one is interested military frequencies.
>
> I've been retired for over 18 years and seldom post anymore, just lurking like many others.
>
> Les Locklear
> Dx'ing Since '57
> Located in Gulfport, Mississippi
> On the Gulf of Mexico.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Merrill via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Reply-To: Dave Merrill <r390a.urr at gmail.com>
> To:
> Cc: R-390 at mailman.qth.net <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: 6/25/2026 10:26:29 AM
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
> ________________________________________________________________________________
>
>> I vote NO change for the following reasons:
>>
>> - Traffic on the group has been very light for the past few years. Most of
>> what needed to be discussed has been said, just not everyone has said it
>> yet.
>>
>> - Let's face it: the group largely consists older persons who won't be
>> around much longer. If Interest was increasing, a change to a modern list
>> service would be more justified.
>>
>> - Someone has to collect and pay the $250 groups.io fee each year, a
>> thankless task. If each of the 500+ current subscribers gave $5 today, that
>> would cover the groups.io fee for 10 years. That's not gonna happen. I
>> doubt that 10% would pony up. Priorities change when people have to
>> actually pay, even a nominal amount.
>>
>> - Conversions always result in confusion for some. I anticipate plenty of
>> unnecessary traffic about dealing the change.
>>
>> - I subscribe to multiple qth.net groups and contribute $$ each year to
>> support them. I don't have a problem with how the reflector operates.
>>
>> Yes, I'm a grumpy old guy but I ask you to consider my points and argue
>> them if you disagree.
>>
>> --... ...-- Dave N9ZC
>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:54 AM Andy G8JAC via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am one of the long-term Lurkers on the list - one from across the Pond.
>>> I joined perhaps 20 years ago when I bought my first (and so far only)
>>> R-390A and needed to learn about the receiver and the technology of its era.
>>> In the face of the expertise of the list members I could contribute
>>> little, but I learned a lot. And my Motorola R-390A works very well as a
>>> result.
>>>
>>> Here in UK I am a member of several groups that use Groups.IO and foresee
>>> absolutely no problems with this fraternity moving there. The platform
>>> works, is configurable to your tastes and has been reliable.
>>>
>>> My vote therefore is yes, do it.
>>>
>>> Andy G8JAC
>>> Surrey, England. (Where it's currently way hotter than Miami)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Evidently, there are a lot of lurkers in the membership who have no
>>> opinion on a move to groups.io. Perhaps those that have asked questions
>>> or answered posts in the last year or so will determine if there is to be a
>>> move or not? A quick look at the archive, sorted by author, will give you
>>> a good idea of who is active on this list.
>>>
>>> I use DuckDuckGo for my posts and find that all of the formatting gets
>>> stripped from my posts so the post is just one long run-on sentence or
>>> paragraph. This makes things harder to read and is a bit frustrating when
>>> I forget that mailman does not like DuckDuckGo. So I am in favor of the
>>> upgrade.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with
>>> confidence. Murphy
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 20, 2026 at 09:00:43 AM CDT, JOS K1JOS via R-390 <
>>> r-390 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So far there have only been 35 respondents with the overwhelming majority
>>> favorable for the move. A small number (<4) would prefer to keep things as
>>> they are. I'm not sure what threshold we should target for making this
>>> decision but like most elections in our society, those who fail to vote
>>> lose their voice in such decisions. The list currently has 507 members, or
>>> at least valid email addresses, with only 32 members marked for no mail or
>>> digest delivery. It is difficult to estimate truly 'active' members, but
>>> unused emails do expire. Gmail for example has a 2y inactivity (sender
>>> side) limit at which point any emails to that address will be rejected
>>> (bounced back to sender). Yahoo email has a 12-month inactivity policy and
>>> all other email service providers have something similar. I routinely
>>> receive notifications regarding bounced emails from our
>>> r390 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:r390 at mailman.qth.net> server and after 10
>>> consecutive failed bounces I remove that person from the distribution list
>>> so the (507 - 32) cannot be too stale an estimate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My proposal is to wait 2 weeks as some may be on vacation/holiday/illness
>>> and revisit the final count at that point. Interestingly, there is no fee
>>> for small groups < 100 at Groups.IO for basic messaging/archiving. In any
>>> case, I would not close the mailman.qth.net list but rather continue
>>> sending out a single monthly broadcast to the list pointing people to find
>>> us on the new groups.io link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggestions/comments are welcome !!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (ex-K1JOS, ex-WB2ORJ)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: JOS K1JOS <k1jos at att.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2026 7:34 PM
>>> To: R-390 at mailman.qth.net; k1jos at att.net
>>> Subject: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>>> need not reply again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 15:40:11 -0500
> From: Tom Bruns <kc5l at mocha42.com>
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <06258606-532b-4555-9b64-36731c9b251a at mocha42.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> I agree with Dave.
>
> Tom KC5L
>
>> On 6/25/26 10:26 AM, Dave Merrill via R-390 wrote:
>> I vote NO change for the following reasons:
>>
>> - Traffic on the group has been very light for the past few years. Most of
>> what needed to be discussed has been said, just not everyone has said it
>> yet.
>>
>> - Let's face it: the group largely consists older persons who won't be
>> around much longer. If Interest was increasing, a change to a modern list
>> service would be more justified.
>>
>> - Someone has to collect and pay the $250 groups.io fee each year, a
>> thankless task. If each of the 500+ current subscribers gave $5 today, that
>> would cover the groups.io fee for 10 years. That's not gonna happen. I
>> doubt that 10% would pony up. Priorities change when people have to
>> actually pay, even a nominal amount.
>>
>> - Conversions always result in confusion for some. I anticipate plenty of
>> unnecessary traffic about dealing the change.
>>
>> - I subscribe to multiple qth.net groups and contribute $$ each year to
>> support them. I don't have a problem with how the reflector operates.
>>
>> Yes, I'm a grumpy old guy but I ask you to consider my points and argue
>> them if you disagree.
>>
>> --... ...-- Dave N9ZC
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 23, 2026, 9:54?AM Andy G8JAC via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am one of the long-term Lurkers on the list - one from across the Pond.
>>> I joined perhaps 20 years ago when I bought my first (and so far only)
>>> R-390A and needed to learn about the receiver and the technology of its era.
>>> In the face of the expertise of the list members I could contribute
>>> little, but I learned a lot. And my Motorola R-390A works very well as a
>>> result.
>>>
>>> Here in UK I am a member of several groups that use Groups.IO and foresee
>>> absolutely no problems with this fraternity moving there. The platform
>>> works, is configurable to your tastes and has been reliable.
>>>
>>> My vote therefore is yes, do it.
>>>
>>> Andy G8JAC
>>> Surrey, England. (Where it's currently way hotter than Miami)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Evidently, there are a lot of lurkers in the membership who have no
>>> opinion on a move to groups.io. Perhaps those that have asked questions
>>> or answered posts in the last year or so will determine if there is to be a
>>> move or not? A quick look at the archive, sorted by author, will give you
>>> a good idea of who is active on this list.
>>>
>>> I use DuckDuckGo for my posts and find that all of the formatting gets
>>> stripped from my posts so the post is just one long run-on sentence or
>>> paragraph. This makes things harder to read and is a bit frustrating when
>>> I forget that mailman does not like DuckDuckGo. So I am in favor of the
>>> upgrade.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Logic is a systematic method of coming to the wrong conclusion with
>>> confidence. Murphy
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 20, 2026 at 09:00:43 AM CDT, JOS K1JOS via R-390 <
>>> r-390 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> So far there have only been 35 respondents with the overwhelming majority
>>> favorable for the move. A small number (<4) would prefer to keep things as
>>> they are. I'm not sure what threshold we should target for making this
>>> decision but like most elections in our society, those who fail to vote
>>> lose their voice in such decisions. The list currently has 507 members, or
>>> at least valid email addresses, with only 32 members marked for no mail or
>>> digest delivery. It is difficult to estimate truly 'active' members, but
>>> unused emails do expire. Gmail for example has a 2y inactivity (sender
>>> side) limit at which point any emails to that address will be rejected
>>> (bounced back to sender). Yahoo email has a 12-month inactivity policy and
>>> all other email service providers have something similar. I routinely
>>> receive notifications regarding bounced emails from our
>>> r390 at mailman.qth.net <mailto:r390 at mailman.qth.net> server and after 10
>>> consecutive failed bounces I remove that person from the distribution list
>>> so the (507 - 32) cannot be too stale an estimate.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My proposal is to wait 2 weeks as some may be on vacation/holiday/illness
>>> and revisit the final count at that point. Interestingly, there is no fee
>>> for small groups < 100 at Groups.IO for basic messaging/archiving. In any
>>> case, I would not close the mailman.qth.net list but rather continue
>>> sending out a single monthly broadcast to the list pointing people to find
>>> us on the new groups.io link.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suggestions/comments are welcome !!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (ex-K1JOS, ex-WB2ORJ)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: JOS K1JOS <k1jos at att.net>
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2026 7:34 PM
>>> To: R-390 at mailman.qth.net; k1jos at att.net
>>> Subject: Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>>> need not reply again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> R-390 mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/r-390
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:R-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> R-390 mailing list
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>>> ______________________________________________________________
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>>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> R-390 mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/r-390
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 17:21:00 -0400
> From: "James A. (Andy) Moorer" <jamminpower at earthlink.net>
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <50224133-b1aa-4a47-b9b9-7f85dbdbfdda at earthlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Yeah - it's time. All my other email reflector groups moved there. It
> seems to be the going thing.
> I will chip in to the cost.
> Anybody know how Groups.io deals with attachments, like photos? Or PDF
> documents?
> -A
>
> --
> James A. (Andy) Moorer
> www.jamminpower.org
>
>
>
>> On 6/18/2026 19:34, JOS K1JOS via R-390 wrote:
>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>> forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>> need not reply again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all !
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> R-390 mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/r-390
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:R-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 16:41:02 -0500
> From: n4buq <n4buq at knology.net>
> To: "James A. (Andy) Moorer" <jamminpower at earthlink.net>
> Cc: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <A60CCB33-A433-4DD3-A64B-39B7574EAC3A at knology.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Whether or not to allow attachments is configurable by the admins.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry
>
>> On Jun 25, 2026, at 4:21 PM, James A. (Andy) Moorer via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?Yeah - it's time. All my other email reflector groups moved there. It seems to be the going thing.
>> I will chip in to the cost.
>> Anybody know how Groups.io deals with attachments, like photos? Or PDF documents?
>> -A
>>
>> --
>> James A. (Andy) Moorer
>> www.jamminpower.org
>>
>>
>>
>>>> On 6/18/2026 19:34, JOS K1JOS via R-390 wrote:
>>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>>> need not reply again.
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all !
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
>>> R-390 mailing list
>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/r-390
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>> Post: mailto:R-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>>
>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> R-390 mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/r-390
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:R-390 at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 15:31:13 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Greg Mengell <gregorymengell at comcast.net>
> To: R390A <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: [R-390] SWITCH.
> Message-ID: <2097278830.118811.1782426673101 at connect.xfinity.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> If change is truly needed just go ahead with it. Please we are informed what we need to do.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2026 18:42:26 -0400
> From: "JOS K1JOS" <k1jos at att.net>
> To: "'James A. \(Andy\) Moorer'" <jamminpower at earthlink.net>,
> <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> For membership < 100, there is a limited Free plan with up to 1 Gb storage.
> Chats are saved by topic for digest, downloading, searching, etc, etc. A
> major limitation is no file access area (which we do not have now anyway.
>
> https://groups.io/static/pricing
>
> Jerry NY2KW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net <r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of James A. (Andy) Moorer via R-390
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 5:21 PM
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
>
> Yeah - it's time. All my other email reflector groups moved there. It seems
> to be the going thing.
> I will chip in to the cost.
> Anybody know how Groups.io deals with attachments, like photos? Or PDF
> documents?
> -A
>
> --
> James A. (Andy) Moorer
> www.jamminpower.org
>
>
>
>> On 6/18/2026 19:34, JOS K1JOS via R-390 wrote:
>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>> forward.
>>
>>
>>
>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>
>>
>>
>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>> need not reply again.
>>
>>
>>
>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks to all !
>>
>>
>>
>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>
>>
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2026 08:32:14 -0400
> From: Bob kb8tq <kb8tq at n1k.org>
> To: JOS K1JOS <k1jos at att.net>
> Cc: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <A3151143-C93E-4BA9-9772-C77DCCBDCA86 at n1k.org>
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> Hi
>
> The ?more features? part of the move is indeed an interesting part of the whole decision.
>
> You get a lot of things that we don?t have now. Oddly enough they seem to want you to
> pay for some of them :). Based on other groups, this can turn into a bit of a funding vs
> features spiral.
>
> The hidden gotcha is the admin work needed behind the scenes to keep all those features
> tuned up and working. There are skills to learn and more time to put in.
>
> Bob
>
>> On Jun 25, 2026, at 6:42?PM, JOS K1JOS via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> For membership < 100, there is a limited Free plan with up to 1 Gb storage.
>> Chats are saved by topic for digest, downloading, searching, etc, etc. A
>> major limitation is no file access area (which we do not have now anyway.
>>
>> https://groups.io/static/pricing
>>
>> Jerry NY2KW
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net <r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of James A. (Andy) Moorer via R-390
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 5:21 PM
>> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
>>
>> Yeah - it's time. All my other email reflector groups moved there. It seems
>> to be the going thing.
>> I will chip in to the cost.
>> Anybody know how Groups.io deals with attachments, like photos? Or PDF
>> documents?
>> -A
>>
>> --
>> James A. (Andy) Moorer
>> www.jamminpower.org
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/18/2026 19:34, JOS K1JOS via R-390 wrote:
>>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due to
>>> inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user friendly
>>> interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it has a robust
>>> searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can move
>>> forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject header
>>> need not reply again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2026 10:17:55 -0400
> From: "JOS K1JOS" <k1jos at att.net>
> To: "'Bob kb8tq'" <kb8tq at n1k.org>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
> Groups.IO
> Message-ID: <[email protected]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> As the admin for the r-390 mailman.qth.net group for many years now, I personally think the current system is much more obtuse and poorly manageable. I get dozens of 'bounces' daily that I much read through and the majority are due to conditions beyond my control, most commonly files size/image size limits. The current system often does not notify the sender that they exceeded limits and instead it gets bounced to me. Groups.io system is much more transparent and automated. For an unmoderated group such as ours, the admin on Groups.io does very little daily housekeeping usually. I am fine staying with the current mailman.qth.net if people would stop asking me what happened to their posts ?
>
> Seriously, the amount of time for me is really negligible during the course of my day, so I will defer to the majority opinion BUT I have received less than a 10% list member response thus far.
>
> Jerry NY2KW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net <r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On Behalf Of Bob kb8tq via R-390
> Sent: Friday, June 26, 2026 8:32 AM
> To: JOS K1JOS <k1jos at att.net>
> Cc: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to Groups.IO
>
> Hi
>
> The ?more features? part of the move is indeed an interesting part of the whole decision.
>
> You get a lot of things that we don?t have now. Oddly enough they seem to want you to pay for some of them :). Based on other groups, this can turn into a bit of a funding vs features spiral.
>
> The hidden gotcha is the admin work needed behind the scenes to keep all those features tuned up and working. There are skills to learn and more time to put in.
>
> Bob
>
>> On Jun 25, 2026, at 6:42?PM, JOS K1JOS via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>
>> For membership < 100, there is a limited Free plan with up to 1 Gb storage.
>> Chats are saved by topic for digest, downloading, searching, etc, etc.
>> A major limitation is no file access area (which we do not have now anyway.
>>
>> https://groups.io/static/pricing
>>
>> Jerry NY2KW
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net <r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
>> Behalf Of James A. (Andy) Moorer via R-390
>> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2026 5:21 PM
>> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [R-390] Survey to Consider Moving R-390 Mail List to
>> Groups.IO
>>
>> Yeah - it's time. All my other email reflector groups moved there. It
>> seems to be the going thing.
>> I will chip in to the cost.
>> Anybody know how Groups.io deals with attachments, like photos? Or PDF
>> documents?
>> -A
>>
>> --
>> James A. (Andy) Moorer
>> www.jamminpower.org
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/18/2026 19:34, JOS K1JOS via R-390 wrote:
>>> There has been a proposal to move our mailing list to Groups.io due
>>> to inconsistent mail/digest deliveries. Groups.io has a very user
>>> friendly interface, will send you email updates or digests plus it
>>> has a robust searchable archive of messages and files. The hosting fee is ~ $250/year.
>>> If we can establish a minimum interest among the current 500+
>>> r-390 at milman.qth.net <mailto:r-390 at milman.qth.net> members we can
>>> move forward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All comments, suggestions, criticisms, etc are welcome.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Those who have already responded under the previous 'TEST' subject
>>> header need not reply again.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Link to Groups.io : https://groups.io/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to all !
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry NY2KW (K1JOS) R-390 mail list administrator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ______________________________________________________________
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