[R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here

Thu Aug 15 17:10:37 EDT 2024

Nick, do you need the original file number in the list ??

73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

De : Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com> 
Envoyé : 15 août 2024 16:10
À : Jacques Fortin <jacques.f at videotron.ca>
Cc : gary.biasini at shaw.ca; Tom M. <courir26 at yahoo.com>; r-390 at mailman.qth.net
Objet : Re: [R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here

Ok that was just a test so don’t bother renaming any of those yet. I need to experiment and re-do the batch with auto-crop to remove some white space. 

Actually, rather than renaming the file directly, just look at them and email me a list with descriptive names like

07-terminal strip

08-rivet

09-large knob

Etc. 

and I’ll append that to file names and use it for the index listing. If you like, include any additional info/notes that I can add to the index. 

Or maybe Gary’s DFL file will provide titles?

Once I get all the preliminary files on line, we can split up the work of naming to whoever volunteers. 

Then I can easily rename them all, declare victory and move on. 

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 3:18 PM Jacques Fortin <jacques.f at videotron.ca <mailto:jacques.f at videotron.ca> > wrote:

Hi Nick, I looked at some and the results are OK.

I volunteer to upload and re-name those files one by one if needed, but I do not want to do it in double with someone else or prevent anyone having fun doing it.

So we need to co-ordinate, I guess…

73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

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Objet : Re: [R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here

FWIW - I did a quick test of batch conversion to pdf -  I set it to downsize 50% and rotate.

A random sampling looks OK. I'll look at adding titles and cropping later

My OCR sometimes will extract the title and drawing number from te pdf but I need to look at the index program to see how that will help.

Just a test - Here are 100 files Tom classified as "small parts, knobs" 

https://www.navy-radio.com/rcvrs/r390a/drawings/test/

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> 

On Thu, Aug 15, 2024 at 7:40 AM Nick England <navy.radio at gmail.com <mailto:navy.radio at gmail.com> > wrote:

I have gotten all the files from Tom and will convert them all to pdf. I’ll post on my web site with an index in html so anyone can access or download them. 

If I am duplicating work someone has already done, please let me know. 
Cheers

Nick England K4NYW
www.navy-radio.com <http://www.navy-radio.com> 

On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 11:41 PM <gary.biasini at shaw.ca <mailto:gary.biasini at shaw.ca> > wrote:

I should have noted that, once you have the Index.DLF file with the titles
added in, IndexR will allow you to search it for keywords in the title.  See
the attached screenshot for a search of the word "clamp" along with the
result.

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Subject: RE: [R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here

It looks like the Index.DLF files with descriptions were stripped from the
message.

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Subject: Re: [R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here

Jacques,

You got them from me.  

If you want all of the drawings, first off, you need to get the CD - I was
offered the download by Carl Constanten some years ago.  If needed, I should
be able to provide a link to the CD on my Onedrive - I wonder if we
shouldn't just put the whole thing on R-390a.net with a searchable database?
Unfortunately, I don't have the skills to do that but, I did have enough
skill to put on my Windows desktop.

1.      As I think we have all discovered, the IndexR program on the CD with
the diagrams only installs on Windows 95 but …. I found a more recent
version of the program from the Army that works on Windows Vista, 7 and 10
and, I assume, 11. You can download from here -
https://g6msd.redstone.army.mil/msd_ref/IndexRSetup_V60031.exe  Windows 10
will tell you that it may harm the computer and you need to jump through a
few hoops to first download and then to run it to install.

2.      Once you install the IndexR program and run it:

a.      click File – Open, Open a file of the selected type -  Index file

b.      Navigate to where you have the documents from the CD filed and,
under folder 17310 or 22971, click on the Index.DLF file.  So, that gets us
the index to all the drawings that particular directory and I figured out
how to get the files to open in the viewer program by double clicking. 

        i.      Under File | Configure, first click on the Directories Tab.
Under there, I put the following:

                Index File Path: C:\Users\garyb\OneDrive\R-390A\R-390A
Drawings [where I saved the drawings]
                Drawing Header File Path:
C:\Users\garyb\OneDrive\R-390A\R-390A Drawings\17310 [You can also use 22971
if you want to open the drawings in that folder]
                I left the next 2 directories as they were populated by the
program.

3.      Rather than using an updated version of ImageR to open the image
files (that’s the program on the CD), I decided to use XnView Classic or
XnView MP.  If either of those programs are installed, then when you select
the correct file in the IndexR program and it will open.  You can then print
to PDF in that program. You must ensure that .c4 files are associated with
the viewer program that you decide to use.

I have added descriptions to the Index.DLF files under 17310 and 22971 and
they are attached to be used in place of the index.DLF files on the CD.

To "convert" to PDF, in the XnView program, select Print and under the
printer select your favourite PDF printer - I use Microsoft Print to PDF and
then save the output as a PDF.

I spent some time one night editing some of the PDFs in Adobe Acrobat to
make them fill more of a page when printing.  As an example, see the 2
attached no. 86 under directory 13710/00/00, one original and one edited.  

Regards,

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Subject: Re: [R-390] Knob Drawings PDF's here
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Thank you for your effort, Tom, but I already have those two since March and
April 2019.
I do not remember from where they came, however,,, I also have the four .pdf
attached which I believe to came from the same dataset.

Please let us know if more of those "old format" files can be successfully
converted...

73, Jacques, VE2JFE in Montreal

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I spent a good bit of time trying to housebreak the R-390A drawing set
today.They are in C4 format.The original indexer and viewer would not work
on my PC as the apps are 25 years old.  I found newer apps online but still
could not get the indexer to work so I was flying blind in the documents
(over 900) but eventually found the knob drawings.
I then converted them to PDF.  See below.
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