[R-390] R390A meters

Thu Jun 14 11:15:55 EDT 2018

"Why not just leave the meters alone and don't f....    with them.  
Madame Curie learned the lesson the hard way."

Cheers All
W4RRD

Ha, exactly what I was thinking.
73, MikeKE5YVT

      From: Robert Meadows <rpmeadow at bellsouth.net>
 To: 'Charles Steinmetz' <csteinmetz at yandex.com>; r-390 at mailman.qth.net 
 Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 9:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [R-390] R390A meters

In my past, dealing with WII vintage aircraft instruments, it was always
best choice to send the instruments to a certified overhaul shop where the
instrument dial/face would be properly removed, the instrument
services/overhauled as necessary and a new dial/face installed that didn't
have any radium in it.  
In my locality, there is a Govt facility that processed such instruments for
disposal/sale, utilizing sailors in many cases to remove the instruments
from their packing boxes, (the cardboard was worth money).  The instruments
were "placed in a hopper".  Well sailors being sailors, many were broken.
The radium still resides in the surrounding waterways and a "closed" swamp,
according to the officials in charge of the cleanup... go figure.

Even the early Big Ben alarm clocks are full of that magic glow in the dark
dial powered by radium.  The phosphor eventually burns out, but, the radium
will be around for a long time.

Why not just leave the meters alone and don't f....    with them.  
Madame Curie learned the lesson the hard way.

Cheers All
W4RRD

-----Original Message-----
From: r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:r-390-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
On Behalf Of Charles Steinmetz
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 9:17 PM
To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [R-390] R390A meters

Several people have contacted me offlist asking how much risk there is 
if one *does* open a radioluminescent 390/390A meter.  This is a very 
tough question.

My answer is:  I know nothing about you, or your abilities concerning 
careful detail work that requires fine dexterity and hand-eye 
coordination, or your ability and willingness to follow instructions 
down to the last detail.  Therefore, I must recommend that you *DO NOT* 
open a radioluminescent 390/A meter *for any reason*.

If you decide to ignore this advice and *do* open such a meter, you must 
absolutely, positively insure that you are the only person who could 
possibly be exposed or endangered by your activities. I also recommend 
that you *study* (not just "review") the AEC/NRC cleanup protocols, as 
well as the standards and protocols that govern working with materials 
that contain Ra226.  You will also need to ensure that you have 
laboratory-grade radiation monitors ($$$) available at all times.

At a minimum, you will need an indoor space that is relatively well 
sealed (doesn't exchange air with the outside environment).  You will 
need to enter this space and seal it up, and have available at least one 
laboratory-grade radiation monitor (preferably two, for sanity checks). 
  You will also need to have a reliable communications device you can 
use to contact your local HAZMAT authority, as well as the contact 
information for that authority.

This means that no part of any dwelling occupied by others may be used 
(whether they are there at the time or not).  *Period*.  You at least 
need a standalone building (preferably small) located at least 50m from 
the nearest other building.

So, the drill is:  Seal yourself in and do your work, continuously 
checking the radiation monitors.  Clean up, putting all leftover 
radioactive materials into radiation-safe containers that are shielded 
for the types of radiation emitted by the item(s) you were working on 
(alpha, beta, and gamma in the case of Ra226).  Check for residual 
radiation *everywhere* in the space you are working in, including your 
own person and clothing.  Check again.  Check a third time.

If everything tests clean, arrange to have your local HAZMAT authority 
pick up the waste container(s) (or transport it to them, if permitted in 
your jurisdiction -- but be sure to *CALL FIRST* to alert them that you 
will be coming).

Now, here is the hard part.  If there is any residual radiation, *STOP* 
before you spread it any further.  Call your HAZMAT authority, explain 
the situation to them, sit down calmly, do not move or stir the air, and 
wait patiently for the nice people in radiation suits to come and 
decontaminate you and your space.

Now, do you still want to open up your meter?  If so, (1) keep your eyes 
wide open, (2) take full responsibility for what you are doing, 
understanding that radioactive dust is easy to spread and virtually 
impossible to collect after it is spread, and (3) take all of the 
precautions described above.  I have done this in the past, but I would 
not do so today because my manual dexterity may no longer be up to the 
challenge due to aging.

Better, look at *how nice* Bob's replacement meters came out, and follow 
his lead.

Best regards,

Charles

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