[R-390] R-390 Digest, Vol 123, Issue 11
Ron Bussiere via R-390
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Fri Jul 25 16:14:08 EDT 2014
+1 on the "snake oil" moniker.
There is an excellent website called: "Bob is the Oil Guy". There are LOTS of sub-catagories for firearms, planes, trucks, motorcycles, etc. There are many contributors to the forums, that develop oil additive packages for the major oil companies. Yes, Mobil ! is excellent and has a fantastic track record. Pun intended. ha ha
Yes, Royal Purple is great stuff. I use it in one of my hot rods and I use the spray (among many others) in my firearms.
I actually coat all my centerfire rifle bullets (I reload 38 different ctgs) with either HBN or WS2. Information about these chemicals can be found on the www. The WS2, has the lowest coefficient of friction known. It was developed for the space program. I use the HBN for most bullet coatings now, because it looks kinds like talcum powder. It only 'plates' the bullets one molecule thick. I also wipe the bore of a new rifle with HBN and it actually slows the bullet velocity by aprox 50 fps, due to friction reduction. Peak pressure/time thing.......Amazing stuff.
ron
N4UE
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1. Re: Synthetic Oil (Charles Steinmetz)
2. Re: Synthetic Oil (Barry)
3. Re: Synthetic Oil (Bob Camp)
4. Re: Synthetic Oil (Tom Nicholson)
5. Re: Synthetic Oil (Bill Guyger via R-390)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 14:48:52 -0400
From: Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz at yandex.com>
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Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
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Barry wrote:
>Anyone tried this stuff? Looks like it would be handy to apply and
>would be a good synthetic oil.
You can buy the needle-tip bottles anywhere. As for the oil, I want
my lubricant to come from a major chemical company with a
billion-dollar research budget, not some fly-by-night operation that
puts oil up in generic bottles with labels printed on a laser
printer. If you're lucky, you're getting 1 oz of Mobil 1 (or another
big-name synthetic oil) for $7, poured out of quart bottles by
hand. If not, who knows what kind of concoction some bathtub chemist
has mixed up? If you buy Mobil 1 by the quart, it is less than $0.30
per ounce.
Best regards,
Charles
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:02:12 -0400 (EDT)
From: Barry <n4buq at knology.net>
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Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
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I have a small bottle (maybe 2 oz.) of Mobil 1 that has lasted me for years now.
Just thought this stuff might be a better lubricant. I'd never heard of it
before today, though, and that's why I asked.
One thing I notice in some of their FAQs is it apparently doesn't have a very
high viscosity as it is not recommended for use in damping tone arms so it might
be pretty thin.
Thanks,
Barry - N4BUQ
----- Original Message -----
> From: "Charles Steinmetz" <csteinmetz at yandex.com>
> To: "390 list" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 1:48:52 PM
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
>
> Barry wrote:
>
> >Anyone tried this stuff? Looks like it would be handy to apply and
> >would be a good synthetic oil.
>
> You can buy the needle-tip bottles anywhere. As for the oil, I want
> my lubricant to come from a major chemical company with a
> billion-dollar research budget, not some fly-by-night operation that
> puts oil up in generic bottles with labels printed on a laser
> printer. If you're lucky, you're getting 1 oz of Mobil 1 (or another
> big-name synthetic oil) for $7, poured out of quart bottles by
> hand. If not, who knows what kind of concoction some bathtub chemist
> has mixed up? If you buy Mobil 1 by the quart, it is less than $0.30
> per ounce.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:08:30 -0400
From: Bob Camp <kb8tq at n1k.org>
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Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
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Hi
Before you put *any* goop in a radio, make sure you can get it back out again.
1) Do normal solvents dissolve it when new?
2) Does it gum up after a few days ? Can you still remove it?
3) Does it go silly when combined with a little grease, moly powder, or normal
oil? Can you still remove it?
4) How fast does it evaporate? Does it leave a film on everything within 20
feet?
5) What?s it smell like?
6) What happens when it gets hot?
7) How runny is it? does it get all over everything and anything?
8) What does a little of it and a lot of grease do?
The basic idea here is ?do no harm?. There have been a number of super duper
ultra neat lubes over the years that failed one or more of the above. You *do
not* want to deal with a radio afterwards.
The major auto oil?s have been through enough testing that they are a pretty
safe bet. The same problems that are a pain in a radio are a disaster in a
car...
Bob
On Jul 25, 2014, at 2:48 PM, Charles Steinmetz <csteinmetz at yandex.com> wrote:
> Barry wrote:
>
>> Anyone tried this stuff? Looks like it would be handy to apply and would be
a good synthetic oil.
>
> You can buy the needle-tip bottles anywhere. As for the oil, I want my
lubricant to come from a major chemical company with a billion-dollar research
budget, not some fly-by-night operation that puts oil up in generic bottles with
labels printed on a laser printer. If you're lucky, you're getting 1 oz of
Mobil 1 (or another big-name synthetic oil) for $7, poured out of quart bottles
by hand. If not, who knows what kind of concoction some bathtub chemist has
mixed up? If you buy Mobil 1 by the quart, it is less than $0.30 per ounce.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Charles
>
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 15:12:34 -0400
From: Tom Nicholson <Gunsrus1942 at Comcast.net>
To: Barry <n4buq at knology.net>, 390 list <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
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Barry & All,
Having been raised in a family of HVAC workers, I was taught early
on that when lubing a "sleeve bearing" motor to always use
non-detergent, as the detergent additive would "glaze" the sleeve
bearing and cause premature wear. It did seem to work for heating
circulators and aqua boosters. Would this not apply to Mobil 1 , etc.
??? Just asking
Tom
W1ALZ
On 7/25/2014 3:02 PM, Barry wrote:
> I have a small bottle (maybe 2 oz.) of Mobil 1 that has lasted me for years
now. Just thought this stuff might be a better lubricant. I'd never heard of
it before today, though, and that's why I asked.
>
> One thing I notice in some of their FAQs is it apparently doesn't have a very
high viscosity as it is not recommended for use in damping tone arms so it might
be pretty thin.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry - N4BUQ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charles Steinmetz" <csteinmetz at yandex.com>
>> To: "390 list" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 1:48:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
>>
>> Barry wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone tried this stuff? Looks like it would be handy to apply and
>>> would be a good synthetic oil.
>> You can buy the needle-tip bottles anywhere. As for the oil, I want
>> my lubricant to come from a major chemical company with a
>> billion-dollar research budget, not some fly-by-night operation that
>> puts oil up in generic bottles with labels printed on a laser
>> printer. If you're lucky, you're getting 1 oz of Mobil 1 (or another
>> big-name synthetic oil) for $7, poured out of quart bottles by
>> hand. If not, who knows what kind of concoction some bathtub chemist
>> has mixed up? If you buy Mobil 1 by the quart, it is less than $0.30
>> per ounce.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2014 12:32:17 -0700
From: Bill Guyger via R-390 <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
To: Tom Nicholson <Gunsrus1942 at Comcast.net>, Barry
<n4buq at knology.net>, 390 list <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
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Guys as long as we're talking synthetic oil, Royal Purple is a great lube for
many things, I think the gear train would be ideal as long as you use something
light like?5W-30. The armorers for the Dallas PD recommend it?for gun use since
it stands up to high temperatures. A quart bottle was a lot cheaper in the long
run than buying some of the marvelous, magical, miracle?"snake oils" that work
at the molecular level..........duh, all oil works at the molecular level. They
lubricate by forming mono molecular films, but don't let the general public know
that, it'd put a lot of PR guys out of work.
FWIW the last time I was over at?DFW Gun range, I noticed that Royal Purple is
being sold in spray cans just for gun lubricant so that might be?something to
think about?too.
Bill AD5OL
On Friday, July 25, 2014 2:14 PM, Tom Nicholson <Gunsrus1942 at Comcast.net> wrote:
Barry & All,
? ? Having been raised in a family of HVAC workers, I was taught early
on that when lubing a "sleeve bearing" motor to always use
non-detergent, as the detergent additive would "glaze" the sleeve
bearing and cause premature wear. It did seem to work for heating
circulators and? aqua boosters. Would this not apply to Mobil 1 , etc.
??? Just asking
Tom
W1ALZ
On 7/25/2014 3:02 PM, Barry wrote:
> I have a small bottle (maybe 2 oz.) of Mobil 1 that has lasted me for years
now.? Just thought this stuff might be a better lubricant.? I'd never heard of
it before today, though, and that's why I asked.
>
> One thing I notice in some of their FAQs is it apparently doesn't have a very
high viscosity as it is not recommended for use in damping tone arms so it might
be pretty thin.
>
> Thanks,
> Barry - N4BUQ
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Charles Steinmetz" <csteinmetz at yandex.com>
>> To: "390 list" <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2014 1:48:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [R-390] Synthetic Oil
>>
>> Barry wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone tried this stuff?? Looks like it would be handy to apply and
>>> would be a good synthetic oil.
>> You can buy the needle-tip bottles anywhere.? As for the oil, I want
>> my lubricant to come from a major chemical company with a
>> billion-dollar research budget, not some fly-by-night operation that
>> puts oil up in generic bottles with labels printed on a laser
>> printer.? If you're lucky, you're getting 1 oz of Mobil 1 (or another
>> big-name synthetic oil) for $7, poured out of quart bottles by
>> hand.? If not, who knows what kind of concoction some bathtub chemist
>> has mixed up?? If you buy Mobil 1 by the quart, it is less than $0.30
>> per ounce.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Charles
>>
>>
>>
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