[R-390] Anti freeze

[rbethman]

Bravo to Todd!

The intellectual level of a post has risen to a new height!

Anyone insulted by my "blessing" on/to/with Todd needs to go to the 
outhouse for a bit!

Bob - N0DGN


On 8/5/2014 3:39 PM, Todd, KA1KAQ wrote:
>
> I don't disagree with anything you've said here Charles. The only issue I
> have is that it's not for you to determine who says what. You're free to
> determine that for yourself but not others, here or elsewhere. Same applies
> to me and anyone else. And I think that's where the root of the problem
> lies.
>
> As Barry said, a lot of good members left this list over the years due to
> what I'd refer to as the 'new age experts' or those with tender feelings
> who objected to virtually anything that was the least bit off-topic, didn't
> agree with their view of how the world order should be or whatever.
>
> Before I ramble too much, I'll at least give some 'credentials' if such
> things exist or even matter on here. I've been a member of this list for
> nearly 20 years, shortly after it was started by my friend Mike/W1RC and
> Chuck Rippel whose callsign escapes me. Don took the list over I think in
> '96 has run it well long as I can remember. Don is W5OR.
>
> Barry's point about over-moderation is an excellent one. I'm also an admin
> and co-owner of the largest & busiest AM amateur radio site on the 'net,
> AMfone.net. Being an admin or moderator is a thankless job and the pay
> generally sucks, considering it consists primarily of satisfaction and
> gratification of being able to give back to a community or group that has
> helped you in the past, something you believe in and so on. Occasionally
> you do have to step on someone's throat to shut them up and move things
> forward. But there's a right way and a wrong way to go about it.
>
> I think someone mentioned the foolish notion many folks seem to have that
> an internet group or email list is a free-speech forum. Wrong. Think of it
> instead as being invited to someone's home to exchange ideas, party, enjoy
> yourself, etc. The person who determines what's right and wrong in their
> living room is your host - not you or anyone else (except maybe his wife,
> of course).
>
> Like others, I'm also an animal lover. Had a Scotty dog for 14 years and
> several cats and other critters. Even had mice as pets when I was a kid.
> Should I get offended when someone mentions setting a mouse trap to kill a
> rodent in their home? One of our long time and most interesting,
> entertaining, and experienced former members used to mention using his
> night vision goggles to shoot cats in his back field. He also did as much
> to help new and regular members here as anyone else. Somehow the list
> survived that post and numerous others about sheering sheep in the parking
> lot, killing mud daubers, and so on. That was before the
> politically-correct nonsense crept in.
>
> My point is this: yes, someone made a stupid post that had no purpose or
> business being here. Another member objected and decided to let his
> feelings be known publicly (actually, in someone's living room). I've known
> and respected Ken and the Chew Crew on here, again, for longer than I can
> remember - which is sometimes 5-10 minutes, but in this case - a decade
> plus. Yet I have to say, responding with a post that appears to want to
> somehow punish the rest of the list for a post you disagree with makes as
> much sense as the original post.
>
> So if we're going to talk about things we say or don't say or do, let's get
> back to basic, common sense. Not as common as it once was, I know. Keeping
> in mind that you are visiting and participating in **someone else's
> forum**, you have a couple options available to you. First, you can make
> your feelings known privately to the original poster and not piss and moan
> to the entire list over something you don't like or agree with. Second, you
> can (and should) contact the list admin/owner, also *PRIVATELY*, and let
> your feelings be known. The lynch mob mentality doesn't cut it online, it
> only makes things worse as it throws gas on the fire which we've clearly
> seen here.
>
> Try to imagine for just a moment...what would have happened if no one
> responded to the original post? What if instead, all those who objected let
> Don know their thoughts? It's like those amateur radio ops who complain
> endlessly about bring QRMed, and go out of their way to scold or otherwise
> give the jammers the very gratification they seek. Ignore them and they go
> away. If it's truly egregious, contact the proper authorities. Common
> sense, people.
>
> So I'm right there with Barry not because I'm a dog hater or he is either,
> but because we've had to deal with more nonsense from the crybabies and
> whiners over the years than the actual trolls and troublemakers. Blaming
> the idiot in the White House won't cut it, there are too many contributing
> factors from public education to media to some peoples' need to feel better
> about themselves through superficial means. None of it belongs here and
> surprisingly - is seldom seen. Because the vast majority of members here
> ignore stupidity and move on. Believe me - if Don receives enough
> complaints and discovers there's an idiot on the list causing trouble (see
> how I qualified that term?), he'll deal with them. He's a good man who
> doesn't tolerate such things. I suspect he also doesn't have time to deal
> with p.c. handwringers who use the list to vent, either. Like virtually all
> other list owners, moderators, or admins, he gets the same paycheck for his
> time on here and has a real life that I'd bet on any given day is much more
> interesting and rewarding than dealing with babysitting online. He trusts
> us to 'behave' and come to him if we have a problem, not start trouble on
> the list.
>
> Sorry for being long-winded (I am) and if I seem to be picking you out by
> responding to your post, Charles - I'm not. I'd never go after someone who
> knows as much about capacitors as you do. (o:  As one of the older members
> who doesn't post much anymore due to the new-age mentality that permeates
> the 'net, sometimes even I can't stay silent. Blame ol' Professor Locklear
> for drawing me back out of the woodwork a couple years back. He's the one
> who started the kielbasa discussing, too. And some scary substance known as
> lutefisk. Not sure how many have died as a result.
>
> In the end, as a general statement to anyone who has read this far....there
> is life beyond this list and the internet. No - really! If your hobby is
> giving you heartburn or you're spending a lot of time online trying to
> 'keep up', maybe it's time to get out into the sun and get some fresh air.
> When you do return to the real world, don't panic. Those aren't really
> zombies walking down the streets, they're people staring at these things
> called "smart phones".  The phones really must be smart as they appear to
> control these people....wait.....what's the definition of 'zombie'?
>
> de Todd/'Boomer'  KA1KAQ/4
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