[R-390] R-390 Digest, Vol 74, Issue 4

Sun Jun 6 10:13:24 EDT 2010

Hi everybody, what was classified was the Engineering Report on the 
R-389/URR, R-390 and R-390X. Later on that document was de-classified. 
Johannes.
prof.johannes.fischer at t-online.de
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>   1. security classification (Bernie Doran)
>   2. Re: security classification (mikea)
>   3. Use of the word Rare (Dave Mayfield W9WRL)
>   4. Re: Use of the word Rare (Gary)
>   5. Re: Use of the word Rare (Cecil Acuff)
>   6. Quick Fowler Update (wa4aos at aol.com)
>   7. Re: security classification (Bernie Doran)
>   8. Re: security classification (jcoward5452 at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:04:47 -0400
> From: "Bernie Doran" <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: [R-390] security classification
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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> I have seen numerous statements that the 390 and 390A were classified. I
> have never seen a manual with secret or other stamped across it and am
> thinking this is just another tale that had been passed on and on untill 
> it
> takes on a life of its own.  Like the so called Bermuda triangle.  Does
> anyone have FIRST HAND knowledge?   The number is use and record keeping 
> for
> classified material would have made this nearly impossible.  Thanks Bernie
> Doran W8RPW
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 06:40:54 -0500
> From: mikea <mikea at mikea.ath.cx>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] security classification
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
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> On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:04:47AM -0400, Bernie Doran wrote:
>> I have seen numerous statements that the 390 and 390A were classified. I
>> have never seen a manual with secret or other stamped across it and am
>> thinking this is just another tale that had been passed on and on untill 
>> it
>> takes on a life of its own.  Like the so called Bermuda triangle.  Does
>> anyone have FIRST HAND knowledge?   The number is use and record keeping 
>> for
>> classified material would have made this nearly impossible.  Thanks 
>> Bernie
>
> I don't have first-hand knowledge, or even second-hand knowledge, of the
> 390 or 390A being classified. I do know that in 1969 they were being
> removed from the MARS shack at Osan AB, ROK, to be replaced by something
> else, after being in service there for some years. The MARS shack was
> open to all military and civilian personnel, so the rigs weren't
> classified during the period they were in use there.
>
> I've worked with classified gear, and the precautions required before
> uncleared personnel were allowed in would have been totally unrealistic
> in a MARS shack.
>
> -- 
> Mike Andrews, W5EGO
> mikea at mikea.ath.cx
> Tired old sysadmin
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 07:07:00 -0500
> From: Dave Mayfield W9WRL <wrl at gwltd.com>
> Subject: [R-390] Use of the word Rare
> To: R-390 at mailman.qth.net
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> I saw a dirty R-390a on ebay the other day, and the ad said "Rare" so I
> asked the seller what makes this one rare. He told me that it's ok to
> use the word Rare, if Walmart does not sell it!
>
> Wow, just think guys all the thousands of R-390a's out there are now Rare!
>
> Seems to me that Rare means there are only a very few of something out
> there.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 08:16:16 -0400
> From: "Gary" <xfrmrs at roadrunner.com>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Use of the word Rare
> To: <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <FF9B0EC5EE4E461EB89CD3E110731569 at GaryPC>
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> He mite of been referring to the dirt...........
> Gary
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" <wrl at gwltd.com>
> To: <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 8:07 AM
> Subject: [R-390] Use of the word Rare
>
>
>>I saw a dirty R-390a on ebay the other day, and the ad said "Rare" so I
>> asked the seller what makes this one rare. He told me that it's ok to
>> use the word Rare, if Walmart does not sell it!
>>
>> Wow, just think guys all the thousands of R-390a's out there are now 
>> Rare!
>>
>> Seems to me that Rare means there are only a very few of something out
>> there.
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 07:45:59 -0500
> From: "Cecil Acuff" <chacuff at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Use of the word Rare
> To: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" <wrl at gwltd.com>, <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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> What a benchmark....
>
> I guess that means any product Made In America would then be considered
> Rare....
>
> Seems just about everything Wal-Mart and Target sells is from China
>
> Cecil
> K5DL
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Mayfield W9WRL" <wrl at gwltd.com>
> To: <R-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:07 AM
> Subject: [R-390] Use of the word Rare
>
>
>>I saw a dirty R-390a on ebay the other day, and the ad said "Rare" so I
>> asked the seller what makes this one rare. He told me that it's ok to
>> use the word Rare, if Walmart does not sell it!
>>
>> Wow, just think guys all the thousands of R-390a's out there are now 
>> Rare!
>>
>> Seems to me that Rare means there are only a very few of something out
>> there.
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 10:39:50 -0400
> From: wa4aos at aol.com
> Subject: [R-390] Quick Fowler Update
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> Hi Group,
>
> Just a quick update. I had planned to be shipping manuals by now but the 
> printer called yesterday and said it was taking more time to fold all of 
> the foldouts and it will be next week before they have the first batch 
> complete. I told them fine, but to please do a neat job; they will !
> Also, I have not received the USPS Boxes yet but they should be here 
> shortly. Sarah will be very busy next week packing and labeling many 
> boxes. Hi
>
> Once more, THANKS to all of you who paid, I was really hoping you folks 
> were going to come through after I paid over $3K  for the printing, You 
> did and to me this is a testament to the caliber of people who subscribe 
> to this reflector. Many of you sent some extra and as mentioned those 
> proceeds as well as 100% of the profit from the ebay sales will go to my 
> daughter Sarah's college fund. Sarah will be including a note to all of 
> you with your manual. So, MANY THANKS to one SUPER FINE group of folks!! 
> I'll try to post a picture of Sarah and provide a link over the weekend. I 
> guess you know, I am a very proud dad.. Hi
>
> One question to the group: Has any one found a source for the replacement 
> Line Filter used on the R 390A's. I have done the mod to isolate the 
> filter from the chassis on many occasions and have looked for a 
> replacement that would fit the existing holes but to no avail. Any 
> suggestions will be appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Glenn Scott WA4AOS
> Sarah Scott College Student
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 11:24:59 -0400
> From: "Bernie Doran" <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] security classification
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <E12F14C0D721474CBF40D3C32E52AD7E at bernie>
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>
> yep, likewise, I had secret documents in my hands once at North American
> Rockwell,  signed out, signed in, from a vault, and in your sight/ control
> at all times, if you went to the can they went with you!!! confidential 
> was
> much less so and stored in the work area. Never even heard how top secret
> was done. I would wager that it, and you had to remain in a totally secure
> area.  anyone with top secret clearance had a red dot on thier id badge,
> almost all I ever saw( people) worked in advanced design.    That is why I
> think this is just another story, perhaps secret during design and maybe
> confid. later but even that had all docs stamped top and bottom. 
> Bernie
> P.S. and then the is the  letter clearance!!!
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mikea" <mikea at mikea.ath.cx>
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:40 AM
> Subject: Re: [R-390] security classification
>
>
>> On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:04:47AM -0400, Bernie Doran wrote:
>>> I have seen numerous statements that the 390 and 390A were classified. I
>>> have never seen a manual with secret or other stamped across it and am
>>> thinking this is just another tale that had been passed on and on untill
>>> it
>>> takes on a life of its own.  Like the so called Bermuda triangle.  Does
>>> anyone have FIRST HAND knowledge?   The number is use and record keeping
>>> for
>>> classified material would have made this nearly impossible.  Thanks
>>> Bernie
>>
>> I don't have first-hand knowledge, or even second-hand knowledge, of the
>> 390 or 390A being classified. I do know that in 1969 they were being
>> removed from the MARS shack at Osan AB, ROK, to be replaced by something
>> else, after being in service there for some years. The MARS shack was
>> open to all military and civilian personnel, so the rigs weren't
>> classified during the period they were in use there.
>>
>> I've worked with classified gear, and the precautions required before
>> uncleared personnel were allowed in would have been totally unrealistic
>> in a MARS shack.
>>
>> -- 
>> Mike Andrews, W5EGO
>> mikea at mikea.ath.cx
>> Tired old sysadmin
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 11:55:09 -0400
> From: jcoward5452 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [R-390] security classification
> To: qedconsultants at embarqmail.com, r-390 at mailman.qth.net
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>
>
> When I worked at Avantek I had the red dot badge but that was Secret,not 
> Top Secret.What was secret were the frequencies of the various bands the 
> components operated at.We had to cover frequency counter displays or have 
> the display numerically offset,Same with spectrum analizers.ATE's were in 
> padlocked rooms and any test software had to be checked out and in to a 
> vault.Even some of the customers were classified secret. Amazing all the 
> trouble we went to and now all that stuff is obsolete and turns up at flea 
> markets and surplus places and even ebay.
> As to the R-390, 390A  there was a small flip up security cover that could 
> be mounted on the frequency display.
> Jay
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bernie Doran <qedconsultants at embarqmail.com>
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Fri, Jun 4, 2010 8:24 am
> Subject: Re: [R-390] security classification
>
>
> yep, likewise, I had secret documents in my hands once at North American
> ockwell,  signed out, signed in, from a vault, and in your sight/ control
> t all times, if you went to the can they went with you!!! confidential was
> uch less so and stored in the work area. Never even heard how top secret
> as done. I would wager that it, and you had to remain in a totally secure
> rea.  anyone with top secret clearance had a red dot on thier id badge,
> lmost all I ever saw( people) worked in advanced design.    That is why I
> hink this is just another story, perhaps secret during design and maybe
> onfid. later but even that had all docs stamped top and bottom.     Bernie
> .S. and then the is the  letter clearance!!!
> ---- Original Message ----- 
> rom: "mikea" <mikea at mikea.ath.cx>
> o: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> ent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:40 AM
> ubject: Re: [R-390] security classification
>
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 07:04:47AM -0400, Bernie Doran wrote:
>> I have seen numerous statements that the 390 and 390A were classified. I
>> have never seen a manual with secret or other stamped across it and am
>> thinking this is just another tale that had been passed on and on untill
>> it
>> takes on a life of its own.  Like the so called Bermuda triangle.  Does
>> anyone have FIRST HAND knowledge?   The number is use and record keeping
>> for
>> classified material would have made this nearly impossible.  Thanks
>> Bernie
>
> I don't have first-hand knowledge, or even second-hand knowledge, of the
> 390 or 390A being classified. I do know that in 1969 they were being
> removed from the MARS shack at Osan AB, ROK, to be replaced by something
> else, after being in service there for some years. The MARS shack was
> open to all military and civilian personnel, so the rigs weren't
> classified during the period they were in use there.
>
> I've worked with classified gear, and the precautions required before
> uncleared personnel were allowed in would have been totally unrealistic
> in a MARS shack.
>
> -- 
> Mike Andrews, W5EGO
> mikea at mikea.ath.cx
> Tired old sysadmin
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