[R-390] R390A alignment question

Mon Jan 18 20:35:45 EST 2010

Roger and group,

The only pertinent information I posted lately was the fact that the 8 kc mechanical filter was actually 11 kc that's why they sound good.

The other was a response to your superb note on alignment. I have cut and pasted it below for you.

Aaaaaah Roger,

You put it so nicely................

Your expertise far exceeds any of the techs I ran across in the Air Force while working for the DOD for over 30 years. All R-390's and R-390A'sshould have been so lucky as to pass through qualified hands such as yours. Unfortunately, such was not the case, witnessed by most of the jumbled,butchered nightmares left in DRMO facilities.

Les Locklear
Gulfport, Ms.
Dx'ing since '57

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: flowertime01 at wmconnect.com 
  To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 5:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [R-390] R390A alignment question

  To help me understand, if each of the filters in a R-390A has a slightly
  different bandpass + or - 455 and the IF is tuned precisely to 455 won't you
  get some loss of gain anytime you select a filter slightly off of 455.  I
  now understand why aligning a radio with one filter you tune for max using
  the center of the single filter.  With the R-390A isn't the stagger tuning
  to account for the multiple filters giving ample gain for each filter?  I
  ask this question because I don't have the equipment to stagger tune the IF
  and wondered exactly why it was stagger tuned in the first place.

  Ben,

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  I think Tisha posted a good response to most of your question. 

  The stager tuned decks and straight tuned decks had different IF cans.
  While the schematic and part count are exactly the same in the stagger 
  tuned and straight tuned decks, the actual circuit response and performance are 
  different.
  You do not straight tune or stager tune a R390/A deck on whim.
  Your specific deck is one or the other. It is not both.
  The question is how do you know which deck do you have.

  Each mechanical filter will give you a different gain, but not because it 
  is off frequency. If your filter is off frequency far enough to cause loss 
  you would replace it. The trimmer caps were added to help "balance" the 
  differences in gain between filters. Practice is not to balance gain but to "peak" 
  each filter for what ever max signal can be achieved.

  Once upon a time it was known which contracts were which.

  It was never cleanly printed in a TM, thus it is lost.
  We will not mention depot deck swapping to add to the mix-up.

  There was once a nice article in a monthly Army magazine that provided all 
  the ugly details. I am sure some Fellows remember Connie. We could wish 
  someone collected that publication and would cull the R390/A articles for us. 
  Maybe in the next life time. (:, 

  One clue is newer decks have trimmer caps on the mechanical filter. If your 
  deck is new enough to have trimmer caps on one end or both ends, your deck 
  is new enough to be straight tuned.

  The square can with the indent for the nut was to get enough height under 
  the square can to clear the trimmer caps. The indent was to keep the bolt and 
  nut height under the top cover plate.

  And I add some more thoughts.

  In the beginning long long ago:
  The mechanical filters were centered on 455KHz.
  Decks that were stager tuned had different parts than later decks that were 
  all centered on 455KHz.
  Only one mechanical filter is used at a time.
  The whole IF strip and its cans are used all the time.
  Les just pointed out to us that the 8KHz filter is in fact 11KHz wide. 
  Always has been.
  The IF cans without filters have a band pass wider than 16KHz. This in fact 
  makes it hard to use a sweep generator to tune the cans when the 16KHz 
  mechanical filter is slicing off the corners of the band pass before we can see 
  the real band pass of the IF deck cans alone.
  The best we can do with the sweep generator is make sure the cans do not 
  "crimp" the 16KHz band pass.

  Because of the fact of circuit, it was always questioned why any one would 
  even try to use the sweep generator to align the IF deck any way. We were 
  hard put to find a deck that was stager tuned to start with. Any straight 
  tuned deck was just easier to peak with a AN/URM25 set to 455 as determined with 
  the frequency counter setting under it on the bench shelf.

  While any mechanical filter may not be exact on 455 we do not expect the 
  8KHz filter to be off by 4KHz or more. If it was you would replace it. The 4 
  and 2 filters can be even further off center and still not be outside the 
  16KHz skirts we expect from the cans.

  The cans in the straight tuned IF deck do not really come close to having 
  16KHz skirts. The cans perform more as impedance transforms than filter 
  functions. The can peaks are way up above the flat filter tops. 

  As you tweak a can slug around the metered receiver output goes up and 
  down, not because you are just moving the band pass of the can around, but more 
  because you are getting a better or poorer impedance transform between two 
  stages.

  Understand the tweak operation is dynamic, and multi faceted. It's not 
  simple.

  Roger AI4NI
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----- Original Message ----- 
  From: flowertime01 at wmconnect.com 
  To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net 
  Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 6:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [R-390] R390A alignment question

  Craig,

  Les weighed in here with some mail. My server will not let me read it.
  Likely I am missing the best laugh in months.

  I though the short flat top can over the filter with no trimmers came first.
  I thought these were stager tuned IF decks.

  Today I am 61. Back then I was not real keen on trying to become a R390 
  history buff. I was just trying to keep a whole bunch of them running one dirty 
  PM at a time. I tried not to think about these small details.

  My TM 11-5820-358-35 Dated 9 March 1962 Page 91 Section II Alignment. 
  Paragraph 76. Alignment of 455-Kc IF stages, is a straight forward 455 alignment. 
  Put the signal into the last Mixer of the RF deck at test point E210. Peak 
  the generator through the 455 .1KHZ crystal. Set the band width to 16KHZ and 
  peak all the slugs. Work the bandwidth down and continue peaking until you 
  get the deck centered up on the 455 KHz crystal band pass.

  I have no stager tuning procedure in the original paper book I have in hand.

  If you have the equipment and can measure the difference, try your deck 
  both ways and see what the results are.

  As my mail from Les Lochlear will not open and I do believe in Murphy, I 
  expect the real answer is in that mail.

  Roger.</HTML>
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