[R-390] Re: R-390 Digest, Vol 23, Issue 56

[rdavis7]

Sad news- You were taking advantage of the widow, justice was indeed served! 
Your the guy we all worry about showing up when we pass on to that 
boatanchor warehouse in the sky. "What goes round, comes round".
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>   1. Re: Subject: [R-390] RF tuning slug (Michael Talkington)
>   2. FW: Wanted - R390 (Banks, Armond A)
>   3. Re: FW: Wanted - R390 (Les Locklear)
>   4. Unbelievably Sad News (ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com)
>   5. RE: Unbelievably Sad News (Ed Zeranski)
>   6. Re: FW: Wanted - R390 (Joe Foley)
>   7. For trade/wanted 390A stuff (Tim Shoppa)
>   8. More Bad News (antipode)
>   9. Question on COSMOS PTO (Jon)
>  10. Re: Question on COSMOS PTO (Kenneth G. Gordon)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 06:57:54 -0500
> From: "Michael Talkington" <kc8fwd at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: Subject: [R-390] RF tuning slug
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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> Ron,
> My R-390/URR Non A has a tunning slug missing also.If you look at the 
> front
> of the Setthe first slug closest to the front panel all the way on the 
> left
> is missing but mine has no problem tunning anywhere I want it seems to be 
> a
> mod of some sort can some one help us with this thanks,Mike KC8FWD
>
>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 01:03:44 EST
>> From: TVComlGuy at aol.com
>> Subject: [R-390] RF tuning slug
>> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
>> Message-ID: <228.90305f7.315e2040 at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>>
>> I have an R-390 non A that has a missing tuning slug in T206.  I have  a
>> "parts" rf assembly from an R-390A.  Are the slugs in T206 the same in
> both
>> receivers?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ron, KB0WAR
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 13:31:32 -0800
> From: "Banks, Armond A" <armond.banks at navy.mil>
> Subject: [R-390] FW: Wanted - R390
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID:
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>
> Good Day to All:
>
>
>
> My name is CTRCM - Master Chief Allen Banks.  I have been on a quest for 
> many months to locate & purchase an R390 for my retiring Navy Admiral.  He 
> is retiring in May 2006.  I would accept the receiver in any condition as 
> it holds very sentimental value to us as Cryptologic Techs throughout our 
> respective careers.  Any assistance, leads, sites or possibilities you 
> could provide would be greatly appreciated.  I can have the R390 picked up 
> if necessary depending on your location.  It would mean so much to an 
> Admiral who has spent his entire career defending our nation who got his 
> start as a CTR operator using the R390.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for any assistance you can provide
>
>
>
> CTRCM Allen Banks
>
> Operational Support Office
>
> Senior Enlisted Leader
>
> Norfolk/San Diego/Pensacola
>
> 949-583-3111
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 15:56:28 -0600
> From: "Les Locklear" <leslocklear at cableone.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] FW: Wanted - R390
> To: "Banks, Armond A" <armond.banks at navy.mil>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <001901c6550d$f6eb2820$04eb5c45 at D3X0XK21>
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> reply-type=original
>
> Chief,
>
> I would suggest that you are "probably" looking for a R-390A/URR, not a
> R-390/URR. Both are commonly referred to as the R-390.
>
> The admiral probably never saw a R-390/URR unless he has been allowed to
> stay beyond the normal 30 year enlistment.
>
> Do an E-Bay search if this post comes up empty for an R-390A, prices vary
> wildly and ymmv.
>
>
> Les Locklear BT2
> 1960-1964
> 3 MMR & Oil Shack
> U. S. S. Independence CVA-62
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Banks, Armond A" <armond.banks at navy.mil>
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, March 31, 2006 3:31 PM
> Subject: [R-390] FW: Wanted - R390
>
>
>
>
> Good Day to All:
>
>
>
> My name is CTRCM - Master Chief Allen Banks.  I have been on a quest for
> many months to locate & purchase an R390 for my retiring Navy Admiral.  He
> is retiring in May 2006.  I would accept the receiver in any condition as 
> it
> holds very sentimental value to us as Cryptologic Techs throughout our
> respective careers.  Any assistance, leads, sites or possibilities you 
> could
> provide would be greatly appreciated.  I can have the R390 picked up if
> necessary depending on your location.  It would mean so much to an Admiral
> who has spent his entire career defending our nation who got his start as 
> a
> CTR operator using the R390.
>
>
>
> Thank you all for any assistance you can provide
>
>
>
> CTRCM Allen Banks
>
> Operational Support Office
>
> Senior Enlisted Leader
>
> Norfolk/San Diego/Pensacola
>
> 949-583-3111
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 19:06:15 EST
> From: ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com
> Subject: [R-390] Unbelievably Sad News
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
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> In a message dated 3/29/2006 10:17:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> hankarn at pacbell.net writes:
> Unfortunately in my move from CA to TX while I was laid up with a broken
> shoulder and a foot infection my brother in law decided that most of the
> parts and a lot of my radios were pure junk after I pointed out to him
> that they were salable parts, which he promptly sold for .10 a pound to
> a local junk dealer. Three 2 1/2 ton stake bed loads plus what the
> helpers carted off as scrap metal. Which also included nearly complete
> R-390A and some frames plus lots of modules. He was judge, jury and
> executioner all in one.
> That is the end of Airborne Engineering sadly to say.
>
> Hank
> KN6DI/5
>
> Hank, very sorry to hear about this tragedy. Several tons of R-390A parts,
> frames, modules were carted off as scrap? It is hard to believe that all 
> this
> happened. Were you planning to bring all of the R-390A parts with you to 
> Texas?
> Does this mean you no longer have any R-390A parts for sale? 73 Todd 
> WD4NGG
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:15:07 -0800
> From: "Ed Zeranski" <ezeran at ezeran.cnc.net>
> Subject: RE: [R-390] Unbelievably Sad News
> To: <ToddRoberts2001 at aol.com>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <EMEPKDEJDNHEMLEAHGKHIEBCCIAA.ezeran at ezeran.cnc.net>
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> ........................... my brother in law decided that most of the
> parts and a lot of my radios were pure junk
>
>
> So, I guess nobody will find the body...
>
> EdZ
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 16:36:25 -0800 (PST)
> From: Joe Foley <redmenaced at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] FW: Wanted - R390
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20060401003625.18680.qmail at web30413.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> We need to know for sure if it is the R-390/URR or the
> R-390A/URR, the differences are important.
>
> Let us know if you need help with that, too.
>
> What kind of time frame are we working with here?
>
> Any contract date or manufacturer preference?
>
> Are you wanting the cabinet, too?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> --- "Banks, Armond A" <armond.banks at navy.mil> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Good Day to All:
>>
>>
>>
>> My name is CTRCM - Master Chief Allen Banks.  I have
>> been on a quest for many months to locate & purchase
>> an R390 for my retiring Navy Admiral.  He is
>> retiring in May 2006.  I would accept the receiver
>> in any condition as it holds very sentimental value
>> to us as Cryptologic Techs throughout our respective
>> careers.  Any assistance, leads, sites or
>> possibilities you could provide would be greatly
>> appreciated.  I can have the R390 picked up if
>> necessary depending on your location.  It would mean
>> so much to an Admiral who has spent his entire
>> career defending our nation who got his start as a
>> CTR operator using the R390.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you all for any assistance you can provide
>>
>>
>>
>> CTRCM Allen Banks
>>
>> Operational Support Office
>>
>> Senior Enlisted Leader
>>
>> Norfolk/San Diego/Pensacola
>>
>> 949-583-3111
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:12:54 -0500
> From: shoppa_r390a at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)
> Subject: [R-390] For trade/wanted 390A stuff
> To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <20060401011254.8402E1040015 at mini-me.trailing-edge.com>
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> Available for trade: all the 390A tubes except rectifier tubes, most
> new, some used. RF deck parts/slugs and geartrain parts, springs,
> clamps, etc.
>
> Wanted: Junker/basket case Cosmos PTO's, modules, harnesses, and
> front/side/rear panels. Will gladly consider (would even prefer
> because I'm gonna be Frankensteining) incomplete junk.  Also
> looking for a set of substitute meters. Small quantities of cash
> available as well to facilitate transactions.
>
> Tim KA0BTD.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 22:13:46 -0500
> From: "antipode" <antipode at comcast.net>
> Subject: [R-390] More Bad News
> To: <collins at listserve.com>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <DKENJMGGGIHHFLOPJECPMEDODDAA.antipode at comcast.net>
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>
> A couple of days ago I stopped by a seemingly uninteresting garage sale on
> my way home from work.  I left work early on Wednesday afternoon to take
> care of some personal business when I happened across the sale on a back
> street shortcut I sometimes take when the traffic is heavy.  As I drove by
> the place I remembered I had seen a tower with a beam behind this same 
> house
> a few years earlier, but it had been taken down.  I never really knew the
> ham who lived there as he primarily was an experimenter from what I had
> heard.  As soon as I saw the garage sale sign, I decided to stop since I
> thought there may be some ham goodies if the guy still lived there.  Sure
> enough when I walked into the garage there were several pieces of old gear
> lying around on some of the tables including an old beat up Hallicrafters
> SX-99 and an old Ham-M rotator and control box.  There was an elderly 
> woman
> running the sale who introduced herself and explained that all this had 
> been
> her husband's, but he had died about a month earlier due to poor health 
> and
> now she was disposing of all his old radio equipment.  She said the sale 
> was
> very slow that afternoon as it was a weekday and she expected this 
> upcoming
> Saturday to be the day when all this stuff would be sold.
>
> After chit-chatting with her for a few minutes I looked around a bit more
> carefully and noticed a couple of Collins manuals near some old 
> newspapers.
> One of the manuals was for a KW-1 and the other for a 51J-4.  Being a
> Collins collector myself, my interest was immediately piqued.  I inquired
> about the equipment which these manuals were for, and she said that
> equipment was way too heavy for her to move out into the garage so she had
> just left it in the house in her husband's study.  She took me into his
> "shack" and sure enough there it was.  The KW-1 was apparently used on CW
> only as I didn't see a mic but only an old bug on his operating desk. 
> Also
> on the desk was what looked like a pristine 51J-4 in its original cabinet.
> When I inquired about buying the KW-1 and 51J-4 she said it was probably
> worth a lot of money but had no idea of its value.  Before I could come up
> with a reasonable offer, she volunteered that she would sell both pieces 
> to
> me for $350.00 provided I would move it out by this Sunday.  Needless to 
> say
> I nearly had a heart attack on the spot!  Without showing too much
> excitement, I casually accepted the offer and promised I'd be back today
> (Friday) as that would give me ample time to arrange a truck and a friend 
> to
> help me load the gear.  My heart was about ready to explode!  I had just
> made the deal of the century!
>
> I took off work today to pick up my spectacular find, rented a good sized
> truck, and arranged for my buddy, who works only until 12 noon on Fridays,
> to help me move the gear out of the house and into the truck.  I picked 
> him
> up and we zoomed over to the house.  When we arrived there was another car
> parked in the driveway and I had to park the truck on the street.  Going 
> up
> to the front door to ask the woman if she could have the owner of the car
> move it so I could get the truck as close as possible for loading, a 
> rather
> young man met me and asked what I wanted.  When I told him about the deal 
> he
> laughed and said that the old radios his mother had arranged to sell me
> weren't worth anything, and he had just had it hauled off by a scrap 
> dealer
> who paid him on the spot enough money to pay for fixing his mother's 
> washing
> machine ($125)!  Needless to say when I heard all this I was angry and
> heartbroken.  To add insult to injury, the scrap dealer apparently had 
> just
> "thrown" the 51J-4 into the back of his truck according to the lady's son,
> and then he and his helper hauled the KW-1 out into the front yard where
> they proceeded to cut it up with a cutting torch!  Laying in the front 
> yard
> was a remnant of the KW-1's plastic kilocycle dial, the only remaining
> evidence of the deal that never was.  The young man was serious when he 
> said
> he didn't want me to be "taken", as his mother was having severe mental
> problems and he would never have allowed her to make a deal like that had 
> he
> been there.  This is NOT going to be a good weekend!
>
> How's that for "BAD NEWS"?
>
> W5IQJ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 23:08:48 -0500
> From: "Jon" <jonklinkhamer at comcast.net>
> Subject: [R-390] Question on COSMOS PTO
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <MDBBIGOKDBHJANFFCODCCEOBCHAA.jonklinkhamer at comcast.net>
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>
> Hello to the Group,
>
> I'm continuing my saga of just zero beating against the calibrator mark 
> and
> have notice the following observations which I think are cause to be
> concerned.
>
> 1. Zero beating against the calibration 100Khz signal at x.000 after using
> the zero adjust knob to be exactly at x.000, I noticed that if I either 
> dial
> up or down from this calibration spot, coming back to this mark, I'm 
> always
> either +/-100Hz off depending on the direction I'm turning. Is this what 
> you
> call backlash or hysterisis?
>
> 2. Doing the same experiment as described above only this time using a
> counter and taking note of the frequency, I observed that starting again 
> at
> 3.455000Mhz with the dial set to x.000 and dialing up or down the 
> frequency
> can be off as much as 80Hz i.e. 3.45508 in returning again to x.000. I 
> also
> noticed that by pressing on the KHz knob with just pressure from my hand I
> can cause the frequency to be off again as much as 80Hz. And since the 
> 390a
> is on its back I can touch the PTO and cause 10s of Hz of be off.
>
> This is my 1st 390a and I don't have any experience in the feel for
> calibration. Am I approaching the design limit being off +/- 100Hz on the
> calibration mark? It seems to me something is either up with the PTO or 
> the
> mechanical linkage to the PTO. The oldham coupler is aligned as best I can
> with a new backlash spring and I'm also keeping to the .032 spacing as 
> best
> I can. The ground strap is present and looks good against the shaft. I'm
> really kinda of frustrated at this point and any help would greatly be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Jon,KB1DC
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 20:27:36 -0800
> From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon2006 at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [R-390] Question on COSMOS PTO
> To: jonklinkhamer at comcast.net
> Cc: R-390 at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <442D90B8.5936.531EF6FA at localhost>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>> Hello to the Group,
>>
>> I'm continuing my saga of just zero beating against the calibrator
>> mark and have notice the following observations which I think are
>> cause to be concerned.
>>
>> 1. Zero beating against the calibration 100Khz signal at x.000 after
>> using the zero adjust knob to be exactly at x.000, I noticed that if I
>> either dial up or down from this calibration spot, coming back to this
>> mark, I'm always either +/-100Hz off depending on the direction I'm
>> turning. Is this what you call backlash or hysterisis?
>
> Yes, most probably. We call it back-lash.
>
>>
>> 2. Doing the same experiment as described above only this time using a
>> counter and taking note of the frequency, I observed that starting
>> again at 3.455000Mhz with the dial set to x.000 and dialing up or down
>> the frequency can be off as much as 80Hz i.e. 3.45508 in returning
>> again to x.000. I also noticed that by pressing on the KHz knob with
>> just pressure from my hand I can cause the frequency to be off again
>> as much as 80Hz. And since the 390a is on its back I can touch the PTO
>> and cause 10s of Hz of be off.
>>
>> This is my 1st 390a and I don't have any experience in the feel for
>> calibration. Am I approaching the design limit being off +/- 100Hz on
>> the calibration mark? It seems to me something is either up with the
>> PTO or the mechanical linkage to the PTO. The oldham coupler is
>> aligned as best I can with a new backlash spring and I'm also keeping
>> to the .032 spacing as best I can. The ground strap is present and
>> looks good against the shaft. I'm really kinda of frustrated at this
>> point and any help would greatly be appreciated.
>
> Jon:
>
> Are you joking, or are you serious? I can't believe you're serious...
>
> +/- 100 Hz is, IMHO, infinitesimal and not worth worrying about.  As far
> as I'm concerned, any practical receiver that holds its calibration within
> 100 Hz is an absolute marvel.  These receivers were never meant to be
> laboratory grade frequency meters: they are radio receivers, designed
> to help a hummin' bean hear radio signals that are very seldom stable
> enough to be within 100 Hz.
>
> Ken Gordon W7EKB
>
>
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