[R-390] Wanted to Trade

Bob Camp ham at cq.nu
Thu May 5 07:31:51 EDT 2005


Hi

You could always liquid cool the tubes. That would keep the glass and  
seals at a nice constant temperature.

There is reason to believe that reducing the temperature of the glass  
to metal seals at the base of the tube has an affect on the long term  
performance of the seals. If you have tubes mainly failing due to gas  
then this is something to be concerned about. The tube socket  
probably heat sinks this end of the tube pretty well.

At the temperatures you find in a receiving tube the temperature of  
the glass envelope by it's self doesn't have much of an affect. If  
you get the temperature up a lot higher the envelope will have some  
problems. If we start to see tubes collapsing in use then this is one  
to worry about. I have seen pictures of transmitting tubes that have  
failed this way.

The real question is what makes receiving tubes fail. Transmitting  
tubes have been studied quite a bit. Audio power tubes and rectifiers  
have been studied to a lesser extent. Low power / small signal tubes  
have only been studied in a fairly cursory way. You can look at it as  
tubes are tubes, but we don't stress them all the same way. Plates  
and grids in receiving tubes simply do not heat up the same way they  
do in power tubes. Filament power is the main source of heat in a  
normal receiving tube.

Cooling tubes down helps reduce the temperature of things like plates  
and grids. Cooling also helps seals. I doubt that external cooling  
has any big affect on the filament. Most receiving tubes I have seen  
go bad die from filament related issues. Some simply do the light  
bulb thing and stop glowing. Others get to the point that cathode  
emission drops below the level needed to keep working. Certainly  
things like shorted grids do occur, but they are not very common.

If what I swap out here is any indication emission is the main (>  
80%) issue for dead receiving tubes. Open filaments make up almost  
all of the rest. I can probably count the number of receiving tubes I  
have seen fail for other issues without taking off my shoes.

Black tube shields look cool. That alone is a good reason to use  
them. They definitely cool down the tube (though the radio is just as  
hot). Cooler is always better. They sometimes are easier to get on  
and off - never a bad thing. Given the way we use the radios these  
days I would not put them in the same category as the capacitors.  
They are a nice thing to swap out, and the radio is better with black  
shields. I don't think the radios are enough better with black  
shields to run out and spend hundreds of dollars re-shielding all our  
radios to make them work better.

     Take Care

             Bob Camp
             KB8TQ





On May 4, 2005, at 11:08 PM, Flowertime01 at wmconnect.com wrote:

> Scott,
>
> You may not need that many shields.
> Recommendations were to shield the RF, 1st, 2nd, 3rd mixers, VFO, BFO.
> Just the RF mixers and Osc need shields. Recommendations were to  
> uncover
> every thing else.
>
> We know the good shields will run cooler than the plain cans.
> I do not know if the good shields will actually get you a cooler  
> glass bulb
> temperature than no shield with ventilation being the same.
> So it still may be best to run most of the tubes naked.
>
> Just because we used those crummy old shields is not reason to  
> continue.
> We put in better caps today, so why not better shields.
>
> Round up as many as you can. One never has enough spare parts.
>
> Roger KC6TRU
>
>
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