[R-390] RE: TM 11 4000 Manual
Craig Anderson Ext 1365
Craig.Anderson at saintpaul.edu
Fri Dec 16 15:35:49 EST 2005
I have an original TM 11 4000 manual and I could scan it in on our
professional tabloid scanner (13" x 19") plate size. It is an excellent
resource for trouble shooting as it uses the R-390A as the example in
the receiver section of the manual complete with schematics. I let
K5?FF in Louisiana borrow it to scan the pages and when the manual was
returned to me the spine was cut off so it would be easy to re-scan.
Craig W9CLA
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Y2K Addendum (Michael Crestohl)
2. TM-4000 (DW Holtman)
3. Re: TM 11-4000 (Cecil Acuff)
4. Re: Re: Y2K Addendum (Barry Hauser)
5. OCR software and the new Y2K manual (Kenneth G. Gordon)
6. Re: Ideas for Y2k companions (and an off-topic query on
RA-1772) (Kenneth G. Gordon)
7. A Good Item (peuhs at bellsouth.net)
8. Black Marker on Tubes (Joe Perge)
9. Re: Black Marker on Tubes (Tim Shoppa)
10. OT - Klingon 390A Front Panel Drawing (Tom Norris)
11. Re: OT - Klingon 390A Front Panel Drawing (Barry)
12. RE: Black Marker on Tubes (Bruce Hagen)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:51:24 -0500
From: Michael Crestohl <W1RC at Verizon.net>
Subject: [R-390] Re: Y2K Addendum
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Hello to the Gang:
I don't know this has been mentioned; it may very well have - but
I
don't
follow the List as regularly as I would like so at the risk of
being
redundant,
here goes...............
The Navy version of the R-390A manual is far superior to the Army
and
Air
Force versions which are basically the same. The troubleshooting
and
theory
of operation sections are far more detailed. So if you can get
your
hands on
one of these you have a real gem. They are hard to find.
I am wondering if it exists in .pdf format. I have several
versions
of the Army/Air
Force manuals in .pdf.
The Y2K rewrite is based on the Navy manual.
Best wishes for the Holiday Season!
73,
Michael,
W1RC
Wise sayings and safety is coming to the top of the list as a
popular
subject. Early on mail suggested that these words of wisdom needed
to be given a
place of honor and not forgotten. Keeping with the spirit it is not
to soon to
start on the wisdom list.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:42:23 -0700
From: DW Holtman <future212 at comcast.net>
Subject: [R-390] TM-4000
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Hello,
If the chore of typing up the TM-4000 is going to be done, (as Barry H.
suggested) I would be happy to do a chapter or two. I have a copy of the
manual.
73's
DW Holtman
WB7SSN
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 09:46:56 -0600
From: "Cecil Acuff" <chacuff at cableone.net>
Subject: Re: [R-390] TM 11-4000
To: "Barry Hauser" <barry at hausernet.com>, <R390rcvr at aol.com>,
<r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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Hey Folks,
I looked at the block diagrams and the schematics in the TM 11-4000 this
morning and the R-390A is definitely the test subject in the manual but
is
never mentioned as such as Barry H. has correctly pointed out.
The manual is a pretty general work aimed at the troubleshooting and
repair
of tube Receivers, AM transmitters and FM transmitters. I assume we are
talking about only including the parts pertaining to Receivers here.
Maybe getting the entire April 1958 TM 11-4000 on CD would be a nice
thing
to have one day....not sure how many of these are floating
around....just
like the others someone mentioned. I've never seen those!
Cecil....
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Hauser" <barry at hausernet.com>
To: <R390rcvr at aol.com>; <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:27 AM
Subject: Re: [R-390] TM 11-4000
> Hi Randy
>
> I have a copy too, but better you than me, heh heh.
>
> Some considerations:
>
> 1. It's better to scan and OCR the section. If you just scan and
leave
> it as as bit image/graphic, it will be much larger in terms of file
size,
> and you'll probably have to back off on the resolution, resulting in
> grainy-ness. If the text is OCR'ed, the photos and small line
drawings
> can be scanned an incorporated in place in a higher resolution. Also,
> true text means that the digitized result can be searched for word and
> part references.
>
> 2. Your scanning software may already contain a variant of OCR
software.
> They typically have to be "trained" on samples to recognize the type
face
> accurately. Even then, it all has to be proofed word by word and
edited.
> There's no such thing as 100% with OCR'ing this stuff. Also, I think
the
> manual is set up as double column.
>
> 3. That said, it might be better to restroke the thing.
>
> 4. The TM-4000 section should be reviewed by some who know the R-390A
> like the back of their hands. Because it's a training piece, the
authors
> may have taken liberties with some of it and may vary from the
realities.
> Again, that manual doesn't even mention "R-390A" anywhere, which makes
me
> somewhat suspicious of that possibility.
>
> 5. One approach is to divvy up the section between three or four
> volunteers to type it up. If those guys are also familiar with the
> R-390A, they may be able to detect any anomalies or variances as they
do
> it.
>
> Barry
> (the been-there-done-that guy)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <R390rcvr at aol.com>
> To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 8:43 AM
> Subject: [R-390] TM 11-4000
>
>
>> Good morning all:
>>
>> I will take up the cause of scanning in the TM 11-4000. I have a good
>> original, which I will unbind to scan in the receiver portion of it.
I
>> don't think
>> I can handle the big schematics, and haven't checked them out
carefully
>> enough to see if they are different from the other manual schematics.
>>
>> I do think it will be a very handy troubleshooting aid.
>>
>> Randy
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:48:55 -0500
From: Barry Hauser <barry at hausernet.com>
Subject: Re: [R-390] Re: Y2K Addendum
To: Michael Crestohl <W1RC at Verizon.net>, r-390 at mailman.qth.net
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As I mentioned some posts ago, I OCR'ed the '85 Navlex manual as a basis
for
the Y2K, so when you are reading the Y2K, you are mostly reading the
last
and best Navy manual that was published. I agree that they are also
generally better than the Army manuals, though I recall someone
mentioning
that the Army versions have a few things that the Navy books do not --
don't
recall offhand what those were.
The reason for the choice was also that the Navlex was apparently
produced
by word processing and has a single column format (full width of the
page).
That's not particularly desireable for readability -- there's a reason
for
columnar text (limits horizontal "eyeball" scanning when reading),
however,
the single columns plus the relatively modern typeface made OCR-ing much
more efficient and accurate.
Point is though -- no need to seek the Navy manuals if you have the Y2K.
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Crestohl" <W1RC at Verizon.net>
To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 9:51 AM
Subject: [R-390] Re: Y2K Addendum
>
> Hello to the Gang:
> I don't know this has been mentioned; it may very well have - but
I
> don't
> follow the List as regularly as I would like so at the risk of
being
> redundant,
> here goes...............
> The Navy version of the R-390A manual is far superior to the Army
and
> Air
> Force versions which are basically the same. The troubleshooting
and
> theory
> of operation sections are far more detailed. So if you can get
your
> hands on
> one of these you have a real gem. They are hard to find.
> I am wondering if it exists in .pdf format. I have several
versions
> of the Army/Air
> Force manuals in .pdf.
> The Y2K rewrite is based on the Navy manual.
> Best wishes for the Holiday Season!
> 73,
> Michael,
> W1RC
>
> Wise sayings and safety is coming to the top of the list as
a
> popular
> subject. Early on mail suggested that these words of wisdom
needed
> to be given a
> place of honor and not forgotten. Keeping with the spirit it is
not
> to soon to
> start on the wisdom list.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:01:18 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon at moscow.com>
Subject: [R-390] OCR software and the new Y2K manual
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I would be happy to OCR some books, etc. for the project. I use
Textbridge Pro 11 regularly to OCR various ancient books for a
research project I have been involved with for the past 10 or so years.
Textbridge Pro 11 seems to be excellent for the purpose.
BTW, www.scantips.com has OCR software for sale at VERY
substantial discounts.
And Barry is right: OCRing books both makes the final file sizes MUCH
smaller, and in addition, much easier to read.
Ken W7EKB
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 08:11:42 -0800
From: "Kenneth G. Gordon" <kgordon at moscow.com>
Subject: Re: [R-390] Ideas for Y2k companions (and an off-topic query
on RA-1772)
To: "Cecil Acuff" <chacuff at cableone.net>
Cc: R-390 at mailman.qth.net
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Carl Acuff wrote:
> I have a very nice original copy of the TM-4000 manual....but no way
to
> digitize it. I don't mind shipping the manual to someone that has the
> capabilities to do it properly as long as I get the thing back. You
don't see
> them around much.
>
> Cecil....
If no one closer steps up to the plate, I can do that. I have all
necessary
software, hardware, and experience. However, I am pretty slow, and if a
time-crunch raises its ugly head in the project, it should probably be
done by someone who is not "time-challenged".
Ken Gordon W7EKB
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 12:40:58 -0500
From: <peuhs at bellsouth.net>
Subject: [R-390] A Good Item
To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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Friends...
In the continuing prep. of the property where the old tech. I knew had
his shop, I recieved three amps, a rec., an FM tuner, VTVM, VOM,
several tv and reg sig. gen's...lots of junk..(what am I to do?)..And
ALSO, A:
Tube Tester TV-7D/U
S.N. 268
Mfg: MULTI-AMP ELECTRONICS CORP. CRANFORD N.J.
with--
Complete manual, w/sup.: Changes No. 1 31 May 1962
Condition is V. Good, w/some limited al. corrosion, missing the adapter
in the upper left corner, and the two test leads...All others are on
board.
In addition it is missing the bulb/fuse, and I don't remember what
voltage it is..and also don't know if it should be powered up by me,
anyway...
I do know that all these Mil. tube testers are in demand, and I have a
really great and pretty wood case tester I like....so..If any are
interested, and any not interested and willing to make a guess as to
reasonable value e-mail me...
I assume this is o.k.post, as I wouldn't keep and I want to offer to you
first, ...And in addition...It is a valuable item for use with your 390A
and 390 non a....so it fits the list..
Thanks, John (JLAP)
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:30:32 -0500
From: "Joe Perge" <jmperge at adelphia.net>
Subject: [R-390] Black Marker on Tubes
To: <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
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Hello,
Is it safe to use a Black Marker to mark the tube number on the
glass of a tube? Safe in the sense that it would affect
emissions inside the tube. I have found radios where someone
used a piece of paper taped to a tube with the shield over it! I
don't think that is safe.
Thanks, Joe, WB8HWF
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:47:09 -0500
From: shoppa_r390a at trailing-edge.com (Tim Shoppa)
Subject: Re: [R-390] Black Marker on Tubes
To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net, jmperge at adelphia.net
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> Is it safe to use a Black Marker to mark the tube number on the
> glass of a tube? Safe in the sense that it would affect
> emissions inside the tube. I have found radios where someone
> used a piece of paper taped to a tube with the shield over it! I
> don't think that is safe.
For high-power (transmitter, >20W) glass tubes there might be
some issues having to do with differential heating that could
crack the tube.
Hard to see how it could do anything to change emissions.
Most "black marker" inks are actually transparent to infrared
and probably won't do much to change cooling, and like I said
I cannot see how it could affect emissions at all.
The marker ink might not stand up to long-term heat or shield
insertion very well. When I've seen people mark their own tubes
(often good/bad or ranking for emission/transconductance)
it was with paint and they put little dots on the top.
Tim.
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 13:59:09 -0600
From: Tom Norris <r390radio at gmail.com>
Subject: [R-390] OT - Klingon 390A Front Panel Drawing
To: r-390 at mailman.qth.net
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Guys, a while back when the panel thread was going on, someone made an
offhand comment about a front panel in Klingon. Even meter scales are
in Klingon.
Well.... I was bored the other day. I don't know Russian, but I did
find several alien fonts in my collection. Those I can fake. Please
see the URL below.
http://www.fernblatt.net/A/frontpanel/
73
Tom NU4G
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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 14:05:48 -0600
From: "Barry" <n4buq at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [R-390] OT - Klingon 390A Front Panel Drawing
To: "Tom Norris" <r390radio at gmail.com>, <r-390 at mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <000801c6027c$1bd71ac0$8ab88781 at ingrimgs.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Gotta love the manufacturer's logo on the tag!
Barry - N4BUQ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Norris" <r390radio at gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, December 16, 2005 1:59 PM
Subject: [R-390] OT - Klingon 390A Front Panel Drawing
Guys, a while back when the panel thread was going on, someone made an
offhand comment about a front panel in Klingon. Even meter scales are
in Klingon.
Well.... I was bored the other day. I don't know Russian, but I did
find several alien fonts in my collection. Those I can fake. Please
see the URL below.
http://www.fernblatt.net/A/frontpanel/
73
Tom NU4G
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 15:19:14 -0500
From: "Bruce Hagen" <b_hagen at sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: [R-390] Black Marker on Tubes
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The cathode & plate will never know.
Bruce
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Subject: [R-390] Black Marker on Tubes
Hello,
Is it safe to use a Black Marker to mark the tube number on the
glass of a tube? Safe in the sense that it would affect
emissions inside the tube. I have found radios where someone
used a piece of paper taped to a tube with the shield over it! I
don't think that is safe.
Thanks, Joe, WB8HWF
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