>It seems I heard the F104 >called the 'thud' because of crashes...or was that a different airframe??? >Damn...been a while since 1967 =:^0 Geeze! 'Had hair and hair color back >then... > That would be the F105. Made by Republic who named all their fighters Thunder-something begining, I think with the P-47 Thunderbolt. Thunder-what-ever-it-was got shortened to Thud. spence