Barry good suggestions. However, use a slingshot instead of the bow. Less chance of a lawsuit. I recently made one from Wal Mart stuff: 1. slingshot (about $10) 2. closed face reel w/ 20 lb test line ($ 8) 3. piece of broomstick 4. couple of hose clamps Sure beats paying $100 (!!!!) for the ones advertised in QST.... Now there's mark-up. Must be from an old military contractor.... ron N4UE