From broske at hutchtel.net  Mon Oct 17 16:28:33 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2011 15:28:33 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Charitable Gift Annuity (CGA)
Message-ID: <3C6CCDF3025B4454A2A20F4FCCE43FB2@BobsWeb>

As of July 1, 2011 Charitable Gift Annuity (CGA) Rates have RISEN for those age 70 and older. So, if you've ever considered funding a CGA to benefit QCWA, now would be a GREAT time to do it.....Regardless of your age, the benefits of a CGA are advantageous.

BY FUNDING A CHARITABLE GIFT ANNUITY, YOU RECEIVE:
An immediate charitable deduction
Fixed payments for life
Income tax savings
Estate tax savings
Capital Gains tax savings

To learn more about funding a CGA that will work for you, please consult your financial advisor or tax consultant, or attorney.



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From broske at hutchtel.net  Tue Oct 25 16:01:52 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>

Hi Everybody,

Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an 
attempt to increase our revenue.

I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from Chapter 
89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below for 
those that don't have MS office)

Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having associate 
members and how many are not.

I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the information 
when you have it.

We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have 
them, all I want is numbers.

tnx es 73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA

The Chapter 89 letter:

QCWA,Inc
Chuck Walbridge
P.O. Box 3247
Framingham, MA 01705

Dear Chuck:

At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present passed 
the following resolution:

"In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously supports 
and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to allow 
Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the requirement 
of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and 
local QCWA chapters financially and by service."

Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this 
resolution to you for consideration.

Sincerely

<signed> James Hill

Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA

 
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Tue Oct 25 19:28:53 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 18:28:53 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>

Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this discussion, I want numbers.

This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week, next month or next year is fine.

Chapter ___
Should QCWA National have associate members  ____ Yes  ____ No.   (enter numbers)

Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members feel.

tnx es 73
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA


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From w3tdf at ptd.net  Tue Oct 25 21:47:08 2011
From: w3tdf at ptd.net (Ray Bilger)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:47:08 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
References: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <F4C4A2177A83448EB3145E1D4564F708@W3TDFPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
To: "QCWA - Hotlist" <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 7:28 PM
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this 
discussion, I want numbers.

This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or 
during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week, 
next month or next year is fine.

Chapter _17__
Should QCWA National have associate members  _8___ Yes  _0_ No.   (enter 
numbers)

Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members 
feel.

tnx es 73
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA


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From broske at hutchtel.net  Wed Oct 26 08:13:25 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 07:13:25 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <002801cc9386$af9fd4d0$0edf7e70$@cableone.net>
References: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
	<002801cc9386$af9fd4d0$0edf7e70$@cableone.net>
Message-ID: <1F93BF7E8A4B45BBB2690AFF6EFA5D1B@BobsWeb>

You can only post to the reflector from the email id you were subscribed with.  If you used callsign at arrl.net on the Annual Report then that's the email id you should use.  

Otherwise I need to individually release your post to the group.

tnx es 73,
Bob N0UF 
Reflector Admin


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From johnnykludt at earthlink.net  Tue Oct 25 17:46:28 2011
From: johnnykludt at earthlink.net (John Kludt)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 17:46:28 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
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From ars.k5zyz at gmail.com  Tue Oct 25 17:53:09 2011
From: ars.k5zyz at gmail.com (J. Steve Brodie)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 16:53:09 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <4EA71F6B.7010500@pulse.net>
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
	<4EA71F6B.7010500@pulse.net>
Message-ID: <CAPoT2kq7P6CTGQ53R-OSeL6P5trRPG=ZpMS3P5u_kyHGZ33C4A@mail.gmail.com>

Roske,

The QCWA  Certified Public Accountant is a GENIUS......an Einstein, a seer
and a prophet.

He has seen the oncoming problem(s) of a declining membership and the
ability to properly finance our organization.

Chapter 41 has had  an unofficial associate membership for several years in
order to recruit members who, hopefully, will advance on to  full membership
when they attain their 25 years.

As the Chapter 41 president for an initial 4 years, followed by 2 as veep
and now, again, president, I have been concerned that the organization had,
within its founder's rules, a "death by attrition clause" and
was told that there was an ongoing hesitance, within the governing "old
timers", to not step away from the 25 year licensing requirement.

Now, it seems that with the loss or retirement of some of the old "hard
nosed and stiff necked leaders of former years" the current leadership seems
to have opened their eyes to reality, has softened their stance
and taken an initial step to encourage younger and new members.

Good thinking and acceptance of reality has finally overcome obstinance.

It's high time to do something to reinvigorate into what I have viewed as a
"slowly dying organization".

Yes, I think there is a future life to QCWA with this new approach.

Here's a cheer for you and the board for opening QCWA to the younger,
licensed less than  25 years, amateur fraternity.

Respectfully submitted,

J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ,
Barney Moffatt Memorial Chapter 41
Dallas, Texas





On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:

>
> I thought national would drop dead before they would allow this to
> happen....
>
> Seems rules can be bent when someone at national determines a need to do
> so.
>
> Larry
>
>
> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for
> QCWA?  Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500  From: Bob Roske
> <broske at hutchtel.net> <broske at hutchtel.net>  To: QCWA - Hotlist
> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
> attempt to increase our revenue.
>
> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from Chapter
> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below for
> those that don't have MS office)
>
> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having associate
> members and how many are not.
>
> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the information
> when you have it.
>
> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have
> them, all I want is numbers.
>
> tnx es 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> President QCWA
>
> The Chapter 89 letter:
>
> QCWA,Inc
> Chuck Walbridge
> P.O. Box 3247
> Framingham, MA 01705
>
> Dear Chuck:
>
> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present passed
> the following resolution:
>
> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously supports
> and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to allow
> Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the requirement
> of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
> local QCWA chapters financially and by service."
>
> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
> resolution to you for consideration.
>
> Sincerely
>
> <signed> James Hill
>
> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
>
>
>
>
>


-- 

J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ
ars.k5zyz at gmail.com
(903) 786-4064 Res.
(903) 818-0234 Cell
(903) 416-8205 VoIP

From rexgreen at cableone.net  Tue Oct 25 22:26:34 2011
From: rexgreen at cableone.net (rexgreen at cableone.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:26:34 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
References: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <002801cc9386$af9fd4d0$0edf7e70$@cableone.net>

 

Chapter 201   GEM STATE

Should QCWA National have associate members  __6__ Yes  __0__ No.   (enter
numbers) -Only full members in good standing with national were allowed to
vote.

 

Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members
feel.

 

tnx es 73

Bob Roske, N?UF

President QCWA

 

Hi Bob:

 

Our chapter voted several years ago to allow non-voting associate members
with less than 25 years since issuance of the 1st license for membership in
the local chapter ONLY!   The stipulation at that time was that a non-voting
associate member of the local chapter had to be licensed--no provision for
non-licensed associate members.

 

Frankly, it was the only way we could keep our chapter going, just as you
are experiencing on the national level.

 

Another comment was what would be the advantage for the non-voting associate
members, and I replied ? The QCWA Journal, and supporting the goals of the
national Quarter Century Wireless Association financially.? We also made
note that National QCWA 2012 Convention is slated for Reno NV and it was
recommended that our membership should support this convention that is in
the western United States.

 

73?s

Rex Green  K7 DMV

Secretary Treasurer

Gem State Chapter 201

QCWA

Nampa, Idaho

 

Reply to: k7dmv at cableone.net 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Roske

Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:29 PM

To: QCWA - Hotlist

Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?

 

Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this
discussion, I want numbers.

 

This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or
during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week,
next month or next year is fine.


From wb6imx at att.net  Wed Oct 26 08:32:47 2011
From: wb6imx at att.net (Al Montoya)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:32:47 -0700
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <0BEDFB6680404ADAA9EAFF5E4E186B33@AlPC>

Bob,

Chapter 11 has always recognized the need for "friends and supporters" at 
our meetings and events (including the convention). Yes 17 No 0
We have several  "friends and supporters" assisting with our functions.
Since they can't vote, maybe waive the initiation fee associates and as an 
incentive to continue to full member when they are eligible?

Al Montoya, WB6IMX
Pres. Chap. 11
2012 Convention Chair


From w3tdf at ptd.net  Wed Oct 26 11:08:03 2011
From: w3tdf at ptd.net (Ray Bilger)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:08:03 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <CAPoT2kq7P6CTGQ53R-OSeL6P5trRPG=ZpMS3P5u_kyHGZ33C4A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb><4EA71F6B.7010500@pulse.net>
	<CAPoT2kq7P6CTGQ53R-OSeL6P5trRPG=ZpMS3P5u_kyHGZ33C4A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20E54EB4647B4BE488343753EE8207B5@W3TDFPC>

My sentiments exactly, Steve. We've had 'unofficial' associates for a
number of years also. 73


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J. Steve Brodie" <ars.k5zyz at gmail.com>
To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "Bauer, Richard" <k5rb at tx.rr.com>; "Val Erwin" <valerwin at att.net>; 
<larry at pulse.net>; "Olney, Bob" <n5nt at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


> Roske,
>
> The QCWA  Certified Public Accountant is a GENIUS......an Einstein, a seer
> and a prophet.
>
> He has seen the oncoming problem(s) of a declining membership and the
> ability to properly finance our organization.
>
> Chapter 41 has had  an unofficial associate membership for several years 
> in
> order to recruit members who, hopefully, will advance on to  full 
> membership
> when they attain their 25 years.
>
> As the Chapter 41 president for an initial 4 years, followed by 2 as veep
> and now, again, president, I have been concerned that the organization 
> had,
> within its founder's rules, a "death by attrition clause" and
> was told that there was an ongoing hesitance, within the governing "old
> timers", to not step away from the 25 year licensing requirement.
>
> Now, it seems that with the loss or retirement of some of the old "hard
> nosed and stiff necked leaders of former years" the current leadership 
> seems
> to have opened their eyes to reality, has softened their stance
> and taken an initial step to encourage younger and new members.
>
> Good thinking and acceptance of reality has finally overcome obstinance.
>
> It's high time to do something to reinvigorate into what I have viewed as 
> a
> "slowly dying organization".
>
> Yes, I think there is a future life to QCWA with this new approach.
>
> Here's a cheer for you and the board for opening QCWA to the younger,
> licensed less than  25 years, amateur fraternity.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ,
> Barney Moffatt Memorial Chapter 41
> Dallas, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought national would drop dead before they would allow this to
>> happen....
>>
>> Seems rules can be bent when someone at national determines a need to do
>> so.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for
>> QCWA?  Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500  From: Bob Roske
>> <broske at hutchtel.net> <broske at hutchtel.net>  To: QCWA - Hotlist
>> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
>> attempt to increase our revenue.
>>
>> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from 
>> Chapter
>> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below 
>> for
>> those that don't have MS office)
>>
>> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having 
>> associate
>> members and how many are not.
>>
>> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the 
>> information
>> when you have it.
>>
>> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have
>> them, all I want is numbers.
>>
>> tnx es 73,
>> Bob Roske, N?UF
>> President QCWA
>>
>> The Chapter 89 letter:
>>
>> QCWA,Inc
>> Chuck Walbridge
>> P.O. Box 3247
>> Framingham, MA 01705
>>
>> Dear Chuck:
>>
>> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present 
>> passed
>> the following resolution:
>>
>> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously 
>> supports
>> and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to 
>> allow
>> Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the 
>> requirement
>> of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
>> local QCWA chapters financially and by service."
>>
>> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
>> resolution to you for consideration.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> <signed> James Hill
>>
>> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ
> ars.k5zyz at gmail.com
> (903) 786-4064 Res.
> (903) 818-0234 Cell
> (903) 416-8205 VoIP
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From wd8e at arrl.net  Wed Oct 26 12:30:51 2011
From: wd8e at arrl.net (Fritz)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:30:51 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <000f01cc93fc$a02ee010$e08ca030$@net>

Associates membership "FANTASTIC IDEA" why did I not think of it!  Why
reinvent the wheel?  To any chapter who has implemented this please share
what you have done as our chapter needs more members.

I recall a plaque on the wall behind a former director?s desk that said
"There they go, I must hasten after them for I am their leader".


Fritz WD8E
Chapter 212 Pres.






On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ray Bilger <w3tdf at ptd.net> wrote:

My sentiments exactly, Steve. We've had 'unofficial' associates for a
number of years also. 73


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Steve Brodie" <ars.k5zyz at gmail.com>
To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "Bauer, Richard" <k5rb at tx.rr.com>; "Val Erwin" <valerwin at att.net>;
<larry at pulse.net>; "Olney, Bob" <n5nt at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


> Roske,
>
> The QCWA  Certified Public Accountant is a GENIUS......an Einstein, a seer
> and a prophet.
>
> He has seen the oncoming problem(s) of a declining membership and the
> ability to properly finance our organization.
>
> Chapter 41 has had  an unofficial associate membership for several years
> in
> order to recruit members who, hopefully, will advance on to  full
> membership
> when they attain their 25 years.
>
> As the Chapter 41 president for an initial 4 years, followed by 2 as veep
> and now, again, president, I have been concerned that the organization
> had,
> within its founder's rules, a "death by attrition clause" and
> was told that there was an ongoing hesitance, within the governing "old
> timers", to not step away from the 25 year licensing requirement.
>
> Now, it seems that with the loss or retirement of some of the old "hard
> nosed and stiff necked leaders of former years" the current leadership
> seems
> to have opened their eyes to reality, has softened their stance
> and taken an initial step to encourage younger and new members.
>
> Good thinking and acceptance of reality has finally overcome obstinance.
>
> It's high time to do something to reinvigorate into what I have viewed as
> a
> "slowly dying organization".
>
> Yes, I think there is a future life to QCWA with this new approach.
>
> Here's a cheer for you and the board for opening QCWA to the younger,
> licensed less than  25 years, amateur fraternity.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ,
> Barney Moffatt Memorial Chapter 41
> Dallas, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought national would drop dead before they would allow this to
>> happen....
>>
>> Seems rules can be bent when someone at national determines a need to do
>> so.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for
>> QCWA?  Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500  From: Bob Roske
>> <broske at hutchtel.net> <broske at hutchtel.net>  To: QCWA - Hotlist
>> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
>> attempt to increase our revenue.
>>
>> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from
>> Chapter
>> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below
>> for
>> those that don't have MS office)
>>
>> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having
>> associate
>> members and how many are not.
>>
>> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the
>> information
>> when you have it.
>>
>> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have
>> them, all I want is numbers.
>>
>> tnx es 73,
>> Bob Roske, N?UF
>> President QCWA
>>
>> The Chapter 89 letter:
>>
>> QCWA,Inc
>> Chuck Walbridge
>> P.O. Box 3247
>> Framingham, MA 01705
>>
>> Dear Chuck:
>>
>> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present
>> passed
>> the following resolution:
>>
>> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously
>> supports
>> and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to
>> allow
>> Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the
>> requirement
>> of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
>> local QCWA chapters financially and by service."
>>
>> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
>> resolution to you for consideration.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> <signed> James Hill
>>
>> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ
> ars.k5zyz at gmail.com
> (903) 786-4064 <tel:%28903%29%20786-4064>  Res.
> (903) 818-0234 <tel:%28903%29%20818-0234>  Cell
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From W4cz at aol.com  Wed Oct 26 15:45:14 2011
From: W4cz at aol.com (W4cz at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 15:45:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Fwd:  A change for QCWA?
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 From: broske at hutchtel.net
To: qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net
Sent:  10/25/2011 7:28:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: [QCWA Hotlist] A change  for QCWA?


Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both  sides of this 
discussion, I want numbers.

This will not happen today or  tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or 
during your next net, take a  vote and report those findings.  Next week, 
next month or next year is  fine.

Chapter 182 Northeast Tennessee
Should QCWA  National have associate members
Discussed in the positive for several years among  members.....Good Idea.
Maybe from 20 to 25 years time range.....

Please respond to the reflector so others know  how your chapter members 
feel.

William D. Price W4CZ, Chapter 182 Sec/Tres 

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From fwt0110 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 26 12:24:26 2011
From: fwt0110 at gmail.com (F Tender)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 12:24:26 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
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Associates membership "FANTASTIC IDEA" why did I not think of it!  Why
reinvent the wheel?  To any chapter who has implemented this please share
what you have done as our chapter needs more members.

I recall a plaque on the wall behind a former director?s desk that said
"There they go, I must hasten after them for I am their leader".

Fritz WD8E
Chapter 212 Pres.



On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ray Bilger <w3tdf at ptd.net> wrote:

> My sentiments exactly, Steve. We've had 'unofficial' associates for a
> number of years also. 73
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "J. Steve Brodie" <ars.k5zyz at gmail.com>
> To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "Bauer, Richard" <k5rb at tx.rr.com>; "Val Erwin" <valerwin at att.net>;
> <larry at pulse.net>; "Olney, Bob" <n5nt at att.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
>
>
> > Roske,
> >
> > The QCWA  Certified Public Accountant is a GENIUS......an Einstein, a
> seer
> > and a prophet.
> >
> > He has seen the oncoming problem(s) of a declining membership and the
> > ability to properly finance our organization.
> >
> > Chapter 41 has had  an unofficial associate membership for several years
> > in
> > order to recruit members who, hopefully, will advance on to  full
> > membership
> > when they attain their 25 years.
> >
> > As the Chapter 41 president for an initial 4 years, followed by 2 as veep
> > and now, again, president, I have been concerned that the organization
> > had,
> > within its founder's rules, a "death by attrition clause" and
> > was told that there was an ongoing hesitance, within the governing "old
> > timers", to not step away from the 25 year licensing requirement.
> >
> > Now, it seems that with the loss or retirement of some of the old "hard
> > nosed and stiff necked leaders of former years" the current leadership
> > seems
> > to have opened their eyes to reality, has softened their stance
> > and taken an initial step to encourage younger and new members.
> >
> > Good thinking and acceptance of reality has finally overcome obstinance.
> >
> > It's high time to do something to reinvigorate into what I have viewed as
> > a
> > "slowly dying organization".
> >
> > Yes, I think there is a future life to QCWA with this new approach.
> >
> > Here's a cheer for you and the board for opening QCWA to the younger,
> > licensed less than  25 years, amateur fraternity.
> >
> > Respectfully submitted,
> >
> > J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ,
> > Barney Moffatt Memorial Chapter 41
> > Dallas, Texas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I thought national would drop dead before they would allow this to
> >> happen....
> >>
> >> Seems rules can be bent when someone at national determines a need to do
> >> so.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for
> >> QCWA?  Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500  From: Bob Roske
> >> <broske at hutchtel.net> <broske at hutchtel.net>  To: QCWA - Hotlist
> >> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> >>
> >> Hi Everybody,
> >>
> >> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
> >> attempt to increase our revenue.
> >>
> >> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from
> >> Chapter
> >> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below
> >> for
> >> those that don't have MS office)
> >>
> >> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having
> >> associate
> >> members and how many are not.
> >>
> >> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the
> >> information
> >> when you have it.
> >>
> >> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not
> have
> >> them, all I want is numbers.
> >>
> >> tnx es 73,
> >> Bob Roske, N?UF
> >> President QCWA
> >>
> >> The Chapter 89 letter:
> >>
> >> QCWA,Inc
> >> Chuck Walbridge
> >> P.O. Box 3247
> >> Framingham, MA 01705
> >>
> >> Dear Chuck:
> >>
> >> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present
> >> passed
> >> the following resolution:
> >>
> >> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously
> >> supports
> >> and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to
> >> allow
> >> Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the
> >> requirement
> >> of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
> >> local QCWA chapters financially and by service."
> >>
> >> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
> >> resolution to you for consideration.
> >>
> >> Sincerely
> >>
> >> <signed> James Hill
> >>
> >> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ
> > ars.k5zyz at gmail.com
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From rexgreen at cableone.net  Wed Oct 26 13:24:19 2011
From: rexgreen at cableone.net (Rex Green)
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 11:24:19 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
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Chapter 202- Gem State in Idaho- implemented the associate member program  (
must be licensed however) several years ago and it allowed us to  stay
afloat.  With Idaho having a small ham population, we needed all the support
we could get.

The vote from our 6 national members was 6 yes and no opposed to allowing
non voting associate members at the nation level.  There were questions
about what would be in it for associate non voting members but we were able
to say that the goals and benefits (other than voting) could  be the same.
That seemed to soften "what's in it for me"  concerns

-----Original Message-----
From: qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Fritz
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:31 AM
To: qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members

Associates membership "FANTASTIC IDEA" why did I not think of it!  Why
reinvent the wheel?  To any chapter who has implemented this please share
what you have done as our chapter needs more members.

I recall a plaque on the wall behind a former director?s desk that said
"There they go, I must hasten after them for I am their leader".


Fritz WD8E
Chapter 212 Pres.






On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Ray Bilger <w3tdf at ptd.net> wrote:

My sentiments exactly, Steve. We've had 'unofficial' associates for a number
of years also. 73


----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Steve Brodie" <ars.k5zyz at gmail.com>
To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "Bauer, Richard" <k5rb at tx.rr.com>; "Val Erwin" <valerwin at att.net>;
<larry at pulse.net>; "Olney, Bob" <n5nt at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:53 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


> Roske,
>
> The QCWA  Certified Public Accountant is a GENIUS......an Einstein, a 
> seer and a prophet.
>
> He has seen the oncoming problem(s) of a declining membership and the 
> ability to properly finance our organization.
>
> Chapter 41 has had  an unofficial associate membership for several 
> years in order to recruit members who, hopefully, will advance on to  
> full membership when they attain their 25 years.
>
> As the Chapter 41 president for an initial 4 years, followed by 2 as 
> veep and now, again, president, I have been concerned that the 
> organization had, within its founder's rules, a "death by attrition 
> clause" and was told that there was an ongoing hesitance, within the 
> governing "old timers", to not step away from the 25 year licensing 
> requirement.
>
> Now, it seems that with the loss or retirement of some of the old 
> "hard nosed and stiff necked leaders of former years" the current 
> leadership seems to have opened their eyes to reality, has softened 
> their stance and taken an initial step to encourage younger and new 
> members.
>
> Good thinking and acceptance of reality has finally overcome obstinance.
>
> It's high time to do something to reinvigorate into what I have viewed 
> as a "slowly dying organization".
>
> Yes, I think there is a future life to QCWA with this new approach.
>
> Here's a cheer for you and the board for opening QCWA to the younger, 
> licensed less than  25 years, amateur fraternity.
>
> Respectfully submitted,
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ,
> Barney Moffatt Memorial Chapter 41
> Dallas, Texas
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I thought national would drop dead before they would allow this to 
>> happen....
>>
>> Seems rules can be bent when someone at national determines a need to 
>> do so.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>> -------- Original Message --------  Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change 
>> for QCWA?  Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 15:01:52 -0500  From: Bob Roske 
>> <broske at hutchtel.net> <broske at hutchtel.net>  To: QCWA - Hotlist 
>> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net> <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>> Hi Everybody,
>>
>> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an 
>> attempt to increase our revenue.
>>
>> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from 
>> Chapter
>> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included 
>> below for those that don't have MS office)
>>
>> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having 
>> associate members and how many are not.
>>
>> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the 
>> information when you have it.
>>
>> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not 
>> have them, all I want is numbers.
>>
>> tnx es 73,
>> Bob Roske, N?UF
>> President QCWA
>>
>> The Chapter 89 letter:
>>
>> QCWA,Inc
>> Chuck Walbridge
>> P.O. Box 3247
>> Framingham, MA 01705
>>
>> Dear Chuck:
>>
>> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present 
>> passed the following resolution:
>>
>> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously 
>> supports and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA 
>> membership to allow Associate Members. These non-voting members would 
>> not have the requirement of 25 years of licensure, but would support 
>> the QCWA national effort and local QCWA chapters financially and by 
>> service."
>>
>> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this 
>> resolution to you for consideration.
>>
>> Sincerely
>>
>> <signed> James Hill
>>
>> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> J. Steve Brodie, K5ZYZ
> ars.k5zyz at gmail.com
> (903) 786-4064 <tel:%28903%29%20786-4064>  Res.
> (903) 818-0234 <tel:%28903%29%20818-0234>  Cell
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Oct 27 09:00:00 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:00:00 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Hotmail Email Reflector 101
Message-ID: <5D5D530753CE49B9AC87451346BDF2A3@BobsWeb>

When responding to anyone that is on this reflector you don't need to include their email id.  The email that they chose to use for the reflector is part of the list of ids the message is forwarded to.

You must use the email id you were subscribed with to post to this reflector.  The email id that was included in your chapter's Annual Report is the one that was used.

If the email on that report is w1aaa at arrl.net, that is the email that must be used.  That email is the one this message is addressed to.

If your email needs to be changed, please send an email to Chuck at HQ informing him of the change.  He'll correct his records and forward the information to me so I can change the reflector.

Also please make sure it gets changed on the next Annual Report which will be coming out in a couple of months.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Reflector Administrator




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From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Oct 27 09:35:22 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:35:22 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <29BF5F58B59F4065A5CF484FA91F54C0@BobsWeb>

This has been on the website (http://www.qcwa.org/guest-policy.htm) since 
June of 2005.

QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004

The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in QCWA 
activities was discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of Directors. 
Your Board has expended considerable effort toward resolving this persistent 
matter through letters, e-mail and personal contacts at Chapter meetings, 
conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus was that an associate 
category is not desired by QCWA membership.
For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests of its 
members to participate in its activities. To provide guidance to those 
Chapters that do so, your Board developed the following statement of policy 
on non-member participation in Chapter activities. This policy was 
reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of Directors.
One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from the use 
of the unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used as a 
noun, there is a tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying the word 
"member." That appears to make it a hot-button issue to those members who 
oppose any attempt to compromise the very purpose of the QCWA. For this 
reason, your Board recommends that all references to the A-word be avoided.


POLICY ON NON-MEMBER PARTICIPATION IN CHAPTER ACTIVITIES
Adopted October 2001 - Published in our QCWA Journal - Spring 2002, Page 7

The Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA) has as its fundamental 
purpose the promotion of friendship and cooperation among those very 
distinguished amateur radio operators who were licensed at least one-quarter 
century ago. The commitment to the pursuit of this purpose is codified in 
Article II, Section 2 of its Constitution: QCWA memberships are reserved to 
those currently licensed amateur operators who can prove that they were 
licensed at least twenty-five years ago. Further, Article VII, Section 2 of 
the By Laws upholds this obligation by requiring each member of a Chapter to 
be a member in good standing in the QCWA.

A QCWA Chapter is, of course, free to welcome to its activities guests 
invited by its members. When there is more than occasional participation by 
a non-member, however, the Chapter must make clear to all concerned that the 
person's participation can be only as the guest of a Chapter member. This 
differentiation is important to honoring the long-term dedication of our 
extraordinary members to the amateur service -- as well as to maintaining 
the very credibility of the QCWA as the unique organization comprised of 
amateur operators licensed at least 25 year ago. Moreover, a regularly 
participating non-member should be expected to apply promptly for membership 
in the QCWA and the Chapter when the twenty-five year eligibility 
requirement is fulfilled.

Where it is necessary for a Chapter to designate by titles the participation 
of it members' guests, the titles used must be such as to avoid implying any 
category of membership in either the QCWA or the Chapter. Each title should 
describe the type of participation. Suggestions: Chapter #__ Guest; Friend 
of Chapter #__; Chapter #__ Newsletter Subscriber; Chapter #__ Supporter.

By the Board of Directors

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Webmaster QCWA 



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From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Oct 27 10:53:58 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 10:53:58 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <20111027.105359.3400.0.WA8PXL@juno.com>

To all, 

As shown below, the issue being considered has already been considered
and no further action is required.

Tad Burik K3QC President Chapter 196


On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:35:22 -0500 "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
writes:
> This has been on the website (http://www.qcwa.org/guest-policy.htm) 
> since 
> June of 2005.
> 
> QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
> W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004
> 
> The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in 
> QCWA 
> activities was discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of 
> Directors. 
> Your Board has expended considerable effort toward resolving this 
> persistent 
> matter through letters, e-mail and personal contacts at Chapter 
> meetings, 
> conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus was that an 
> associate 
> category is not desired by QCWA membership.
> For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests 
> of its 
> members to participate in its activities. To provide guidance to 
> those 
> Chapters that do so, your Board developed the following statement of 
> policy 
> on non-member participation in Chapter activities. This policy was 
> reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of Directors.
> One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from 
> the use 
> of the unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used 
> as a 
> noun, there is a tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying 
> the word 
> "member." That appears to make it a hot-button issue to those 
> members who 
> oppose any attempt to compromise the very purpose of the QCWA. For 
> this 
> reason, your Board recommends that all references to the A-word be 
> avoided.
> 
> 
> POLICY ON NON-MEMBER PARTICIPATION IN CHAPTER ACTIVITIES
> Adopted October 2001 - Published in our QCWA Journal - Spring 2002, 
> Page 7
> 
> The Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA) has as its 
> fundamental 
> purpose the promotion of friendship and cooperation among those very 
> 
> distinguished amateur radio operators who were licensed at least 
> one-quarter 
> century ago. The commitment to the pursuit of this purpose is 
> codified in 
> Article II, Section 2 of its Constitution: QCWA memberships are 
> reserved to 
> those currently licensed amateur operators who can prove that they 
> were 
> licensed at least twenty-five years ago. Further, Article VII, 
> Section 2 of 
> the By Laws upholds this obligation by requiring each member of a 
> Chapter to 
> be a member in good standing in the QCWA.
> 
> A QCWA Chapter is, of course, free to welcome to its activities 
> guests 
> invited by its members. When there is more than occasional 
> participation by 
> a non-member, however, the Chapter must make clear to all concerned 
> that the 
> person's participation can be only as the guest of a Chapter member. 
> This 
> differentiation is important to honoring the long-term dedication of 
> our 
> extraordinary members to the amateur service -- as well as to 
> maintaining 
> the very credibility of the QCWA as the unique organization 
> comprised of 
> amateur operators licensed at least 25 year ago. Moreover, a 
> regularly 
> participating non-member should be expected to apply promptly for 
> membership 
> in the QCWA and the Chapter when the twenty-five year eligibility 
> requirement is fulfilled.
> 
> Where it is necessary for a Chapter to designate by titles the 
> participation 
> of it members' guests, the titles used must be such as to avoid 
> implying any 
> category of membership in either the QCWA or the Chapter. Each title 
> should 
> describe the type of participation. Suggestions: Chapter #__ Guest; 
> Friend 
> of Chapter #__; Chapter #__ Newsletter Subscriber; Chapter #__ 
> Supporter.
> 
> By the Board of Directors
> 
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> Webmaster QCWA 
> 
> 
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Oct 27 12:05:50 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:05:50 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA
Message-ID: <E336F7839E3743148C98422FCE4E25B9@BobsWeb>

Hi Bob,

Chapter 8 has a few guests that drop by from time to time. He have never discussed the issue of an associate member.

It will be on the addenda for our November meeting.

73,
Bob Roske, N0UF
Chapter 8 Secretary


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From wb6imx at att.net  Thu Oct 27 12:33:39 2011
From: wb6imx at att.net (Al Montoya)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 09:33:39 -0700
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA
In-Reply-To: <E336F7839E3743148C98422FCE4E25B9@BobsWeb>
References: <E336F7839E3743148C98422FCE4E25B9@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <200F824770804E249D12B5D44486F2E7@AlPC>

Bob,

I am watching all the messages going back and forth about associate members. 
You already have our chapter's input.

We don't have associates members in Chapter 11 but we do have friends and 
supporters. Maybe just changing the term from associate member to supporter 
or friend would be more acceptable. Our friends and supporters are 
non-voting but contribute to the chapter and its activities. Some have even 
become members when they reached the 25yr mark.

Al WB6IMX 


From willmuth at dmv.com  Thu Oct 27 11:28:13 2011
From: willmuth at dmv.com (John Willmuth @dmv.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:28:13 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership
Message-ID: <005b01cc94c7$796d22e0$0d8667d0@oemcomputer>

Bob;  We took a vote yesterday at a luncheon regarding having Associate
Members in QCWA. The vote was 10 in favor of Associate Members and none
opposed.  We have many non official attendees which we consider "friends" of
the QCWA Del-Mar-Va Chapter and they pay no dues.   73 for now...  John
Willmuth  NQ4Q  Secretary/Treasurer Chapter 150.


From w0hxl at cox.net  Thu Oct 27 17:30:43 2011
From: w0hxl at cox.net (Dick Newsome)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 16:30:43 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist]  A change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <E68BEE3888A941C1B3A8459C533BA6DF@dickw0hxl>


 

Should QCWA National have associate members?   12 Yes    0  No.  

 Vote taken at todays Chapter meeting,  October 27th, 2011.

   Omaha Chapter 210
    Dick Newsome W0HXL
     Secretary/Treasurer

From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Oct 27 18:24:55 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:24:55 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Gentlemen,

If associates pay dues to National HQs, I will ask for a complete refund
of my Life Membership dues. I earned QCWA status. Associates are friends
and they will be ripped off if they TRY to join an organization that they
DO NOT QUALIFY FOR BY BASIC PRINCIPLE.

I urge this argument to STOP NOW. Further considerations are an INSULT, A
BIG FRIGGIN INSULT to those WHO HAVE QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP.

I quickly and FORMERLY ask for this topic of discussion be stopped
IMMEDIATELY. This OP does not want to be insulted with this topic ever
again. HQ needs to stick with what has been astablished from DAY ONE and
quit this petty bulsshitt. 

Bob Roske, as President, I expect YOU to put this issue to an end as it
has been done several times in the past.

Burik K3QC
On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:35:22 -0500 "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
writes:
> This has been on the website (http://www.qcwa.org/guest-policy.htm) 
> since 
> June of 2005.
> 
> QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
> W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004
> 
> The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in 
> QCWA 
> activities was discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of 
> Directors. 
> Your Board has expended considerable effort toward resolving this 
> persistent 
> matter through letters, e-mail and personal contacts at Chapter 
> meetings, 
> conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus was that an 
> associate 
> category is not desired by QCWA membership.
> For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests 
> of its 
> members to participate in its activities. To provide guidance to 
> those 
> Chapters that do so, your Board developed the following statement of 
> policy 
> on non-member participation in Chapter activities. This policy was 
> reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of Directors.
> One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from 
> the use 
> of the unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used 
> as a 
> noun, there is a tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying 
> the word 
> "member." That appears to make it a hot-button issue to those 
> members who 
> oppose any attempt to compromise the very purpose of the QCWA. For 
> this 
> reason, your Board recommends that all references to the A-word be 
> avoided.
> 
> 
> POLICY ON NON-MEMBER PARTICIPATION IN CHAPTER ACTIVITIES
> Adopted October 2001 - Published in our QCWA Journal - Spring 2002, 
> Page 7
> 
> The Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA) has as its 
> fundamental 
> purpose the promotion of friendship and cooperation among those very 
> 
> distinguished amateur radio operators who were licensed at least 
> one-quarter 
> century ago. The commitment to the pursuit of this purpose is 
> codified in 
> Article II, Section 2 of its Constitution: QCWA memberships are 
> reserved to 
> those currently licensed amateur operators who can prove that they 
> were 
> licensed at least twenty-five years ago. Further, Article VII, 
> Section 2 of 
> the By Laws upholds this obligation by requiring each member of a 
> Chapter to 
> be a member in good standing in the QCWA.
> 
> A QCWA Chapter is, of course, free to welcome to its activities 
> guests 
> invited by its members. When there is more than occasional 
> participation by 
> a non-member, however, the Chapter must make clear to all concerned 
> that the 
> person's participation can be only as the guest of a Chapter member. 
> This 
> differentiation is important to honoring the long-term dedication of 
> our 
> extraordinary members to the amateur service -- as well as to 
> maintaining 
> the very credibility of the QCWA as the unique organization 
> comprised of 
> amateur operators licensed at least 25 year ago. Moreover, a 
> regularly 
> participating non-member should be expected to apply promptly for 
> membership 
> in the QCWA and the Chapter when the twenty-five year eligibility 
> requirement is fulfilled.
> 
> Where it is necessary for a Chapter to designate by titles the 
> participation 
> of it members' guests, the titles used must be such as to avoid 
> implying any 
> category of membership in either the QCWA or the Chapter. Each title 
> should 
> describe the type of participation. Suggestions: Chapter #__ Guest; 
> Friend 
> of Chapter #__; Chapter #__ Newsletter Subscriber; Chapter #__ 
> Supporter.
> 
> By the Board of Directors
> 
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> Webmaster QCWA 
> 
> 
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From W8EK at flham.net  Thu Oct 27 18:42:02 2011
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 18:42:02 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
References: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <4EA9DE3A.9080005@flham.net>


Chapter 62 in Ocala FL held their regular meeting today.

The vote was 12 in favor of Associate members and 2 opposed.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson, President, Chapter 62
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
Voice Phone  (352) 732-8400



Bob Roske wrote, On 10/25/2011 7:28 PM:
> Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this discussion, I want numbers.
>
> This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week, next month or next year is fine.
>
> Chapter ___
> Should QCWA National have associate members  ____ Yes  ____ No.   (enter numbers)
>
> Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members feel.
>
> tnx es 73
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> President QCWA
>
>

From w4sv at chapter36.org  Thu Oct 27 18:53:23 2011
From: w4sv at chapter36.org (Stan Vandiver)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 17:53:23 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
References: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4EA9E0E3.3020902@chapter36.org>

In just one day of polling, Chapter 36 members are about 2-to-1 against, 
agreeing in large part with Tad's comments below. Further, early results 
from our chapters "guests/friends" also show little interest in joining, 
though this question was unasked for.

Will provide numbers in about a week if this topic continues, and after 
I get more replies from our group.

73,
Stan Vandiver W4SV
Pres. Ch. 36




On 10/27/2011 5:24 PM, wa8pxl at juno.com wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>
> If associates pay dues to National HQs, I will ask for a complete refund
> of my Life Membership dues. I earned QCWA status. Associates are friends
> and they will be ripped off if they TRY to join an organization that they
> DO NOT QUALIFY FOR BY BASIC PRINCIPLE.
>
> I urge this argument to STOP NOW. Further considerations are an INSULT, A
> BIG FRIGGIN INSULT to those WHO HAVE QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP.
>
> I quickly and FORMERLY ask for this topic of discussion be stopped
> IMMEDIATELY. This OP does not want to be insulted with this topic ever
> again. HQ needs to stick with what has been astablished from DAY ONE and
> quit this petty bulsshitt.
>
> Bob Roske, as President, I expect YOU to put this issue to an end as it
> has been done several times in the past.
>
> Burik K3QC
> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:35:22 -0500 "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>
> writes:
>> This has been on the website (http://www.qcwa.org/guest-policy.htm)
>> since
>> June of 2005.
>>
>> QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
>> W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004
>>
>> The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in
>> QCWA
>> activities was discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of
>> Directors.
>> Your Board has expended considerable effort toward resolving this
>> persistent
>> matter through letters, e-mail and personal contacts at Chapter
>> meetings,
>> conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus was that an
>> associate
>> category is not desired by QCWA membership.
>> For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests
>> of its
>> members to participate in its activities. To provide guidance to
>> those
>> Chapters that do so, your Board developed the following statement of
>> policy
>> on non-member participation in Chapter activities. This policy was
>> reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of Directors.
>> One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from
>> the use
>> of the unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used
>> as a
>> noun, there is a tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying
>> the word
>> "member." That appears to make it a hot-button issue to those
>> members who
>> oppose any attempt to compromise the very purpose of the QCWA. For
>> this
>> reason, your Board recommends that all references to the A-word be
>> avoided.
>>
>>
>> POLICY ON NON-MEMBER PARTICIPATION IN CHAPTER ACTIVITIES
>> Adopted October 2001 - Published in our QCWA Journal - Spring 2002,
>> Page 7
>>
>> The Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA) has as its
>> fundamental
>> purpose the promotion of friendship and cooperation among those very
>>
>> distinguished amateur radio operators who were licensed at least
>> one-quarter
>> century ago. The commitment to the pursuit of this purpose is
>> codified in
>> Article II, Section 2 of its Constitution: QCWA memberships are
>> reserved to
>> those currently licensed amateur operators who can prove that they
>> were
>> licensed at least twenty-five years ago. Further, Article VII,
>> Section 2 of
>> the By Laws upholds this obligation by requiring each member of a
>> Chapter to
>> be a member in good standing in the QCWA.
>>
>> A QCWA Chapter is, of course, free to welcome to its activities
>> guests
>> invited by its members. When there is more than occasional
>> participation by
>> a non-member, however, the Chapter must make clear to all concerned
>> that the
>> person's participation can be only as the guest of a Chapter member.
>> This
>> differentiation is important to honoring the long-term dedication of
>> our
>> extraordinary members to the amateur service -- as well as to
>> maintaining
>> the very credibility of the QCWA as the unique organization
>> comprised of
>> amateur operators licensed at least 25 year ago. Moreover, a
>> regularly
>> participating non-member should be expected to apply promptly for
>> membership
>> in the QCWA and the Chapter when the twenty-five year eligibility
>> requirement is fulfilled.
>>
>> Where it is necessary for a Chapter to designate by titles the
>> participation
>> of it members' guests, the titles used must be such as to avoid
>> implying any
>> category of membership in either the QCWA or the Chapter. Each title
>> should
>> describe the type of participation. Suggestions: Chapter #__ Guest;
>> Friend
>> of Chapter #__; Chapter #__ Newsletter Subscriber; Chapter #__
>> Supporter.
>>
>> By the Board of Directors
>>
>> 73,
>> Bob Roske, N?UF
>> Webmaster QCWA
>>
>>
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Fri Oct 28 10:54:01 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:54:01 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
References: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
Message-ID: <E3B0C934524E426FB61C5CAAA2EB34A2@BobsWeb>

> Bob Roske, as President, I expect YOU to put this issue to an end as it
> has been done several times in the past.
>
> Burik K3QC

Tad,

I will put an end to it when we arrive at that point, with a motion, 
discussion and a vote by the Board of Directors.

The officers and directors were elected to discuss all items brought before 
us in a rational, professional manor whether they are for or against the 
idea presented with the ultimate goal being to serve the greater good for 
QCWA.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA 



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From wa8pxl at juno.com  Fri Oct 28 11:12:50 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 11:12:50 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <20111028.111252.4060.0.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Bob,

Thanks for your information. Motions and discussions have been made in
the past regarding this issue. You have already provided information to
us regarding this issue from the last time it was discussed and there is
no need to do it again. Decisions have been made and documented by QCWA
so there is no need to bring this subject up again, never again. 

If National QCWA receives one penny from someone who is not a qualified
member then the QCWA has lost its credibility. 

73 Tad Burik K3QC President Chapter 196


On Fri, 28 Oct 2011 09:54:01 -0500 "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
writes:
> > Bob Roske, as President, I expect YOU to put this issue to an end 
> as it
> > has been done several times in the past.
> >
> > Burik K3QC
> 
> Tad,
> 
> I will put an end to it when we arrive at that point, with a motion, 
> 
> discussion and a vote by the Board of Directors.
> 
> The officers and directors were elected to discuss all items brought 
> before 
> us in a rational, professional manor whether they are for or against 
> the 
> idea presented with the ultimate goal being to serve the greater 
> good for 
> QCWA.
> 
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> President QCWA 
> 
> 
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From wd8e at arrl.net  Sat Oct 29 14:42:17 2011
From: wd8e at arrl.net (Fritz)
Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 14:42:17 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associates
Message-ID: <000001cc966a$7c15e050$7441a0f0$@net>

I took an email straw poll,  2 in favor,  2 opposed, 9 no reply.

 

73 & Good DX

Fritz WD8E QCWA # 32028

President Mid Ohio Chapter 212

http://www.qcwa.org/qcwa212/index.htm

 


From nuzerof at rushmore.com  Sun Oct 30 09:39:35 2011
From: nuzerof at rushmore.com (Frank Shaw)
Date: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 07:39:35 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <585A9CB5258744658CAD0FB268889514@FrankPC>

Bob,

I polled Chapter members during our Sunday morning net about the associate 
member question.  Out of the 6 members checking in I got the following 
answers:  NO 5 and NO REPLY 1.

73
Frank Shaw, NU0F
Dakota Chapter 102 President 



From n6cmf at verizon.net  Mon Oct 31 08:31:28 2011
From: n6cmf at verizon.net (Phil Sedgwick)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:31:28 +0000
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <598771341-1320064289-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1162776029-@b4.c16.bise6.blackberry>

Polls conducted at three consecutive net meetings re subject above resulted in the following results:
       yay --- 3.      nay --- 3. 
Some members decline to express an opinion.

Phil Sedgwick, N6CMF
Secretary, 
Inland Empire Chapter 130
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From w3fey at verizon.net  Mon Oct 31 09:01:23 2011
From: w3fey at verizon.net (George Gadbois)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 09:01:23 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <ADE1D0166FC74EE2AD3DF76717980EE1@W3FEY3>

Bob,

I forwarded your note to our board of  directors and received no responses. 
I interpret this to mean no opinion.

Chapter 166 has a list of friends (potential future members) that we invite 
to participate in our activities.  They are not members and do not pay dues. 
Our activities are limited and we have few expenses.

73,

George, W3FEY

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
To: "QCWA - Hotlist" <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


> Hi Everybody,
>
> Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
> attempt to increase our revenue.
>
> I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from 
> Chapter
> 89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below 
> for
> those that don't have MS office)
>
> Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having associate
> members and how many are not.
>
> I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the 
> information
> when you have it.
>
> We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have
> them, all I want is numbers.
>
> tnx es 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> President QCWA
>
> The Chapter 89 letter:
>
> QCWA,Inc
> Chuck Walbridge
> P.O. Box 3247
> Framingham, MA 01705
>
> Dear Chuck:
>
> At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present passed
> the following resolution:
>
> "In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously supports
> and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to allow
> Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the requirement
> of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
> local QCWA chapters financially and by service."
>
> Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
> resolution to you for consideration.
>
> Sincerely
>
> <signed> James Hill
>
> Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA
>
>
>


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From W8EK at flham.net  Mon Oct 31 11:22:20 2011
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 11:22:20 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Activities in the SE US
Message-ID: <4EAEBD2C.4050408@flham.net>


It looks like it is getting to be hamfest season, at least
in Florida, Georgia, and Alabama.  Here is a list of
activities I have planned, listed in chronological order.

Fri, Sat, and Sunday, November 4, 5, and 6
Lawrenceville, GA "Stone Mountain" Hamfest
details at
http://stonemountainhamfest.com/
We will have a display booth, and also have a forum
scheduled for 1 PM on Saturday in "The Forum Room".
Alinco, Kenwood, and Flex Radio are scheduled to be
at this hamfest.

Tuesday evening, November 8, 7:00 PM
Bankhead Amateur Radio Club meeting
Lawrence County E.M.A. Office
The Lehman Wood Building
555 Walnut St.
Moulton, AL
http://www.n4idx.com/
This is a regular amateur radio club in the Huntsville AL area.
I will be doing a power point presentation about QCWA.  We need
to get a QCWA chapter started in the Huntsville area, and this
is an attempt to do so.  If you know of any one in the greater
Huntsville area, please encourage them to attend this meeting,
and to bring their friends.

Thursday evening, November 10, 7:00 PM
Shelby County (AL) Amateur Radio Club meeting
American Red Cross Offices
4524 Southlake Parkway - Suite #5
Hoover/Pelham, AL 35244
just off I-65
http://w4shl.com/home.html
Pelham is a suburb of Birmingham, AL.  Basically, this will be
a repeat of the Nov 8 activity, but in the Birmingham AL area.
We need to get a chapter started in this area as well, so
again, please attend if possible, and get your friends to
attend.

Saturday, November 12
Montgomery AL Hamfest
Garrett Coliseum,
1555 Federal Drive, just West of Coliseum Blvd.
in North Montgomery, AL
details at
http://www.w4ap.org/modules.php?name=Hamfest
We will have a display booth and a forum.  At this point, I do not
know the time or location of the forum.

Wednesday, November 16, 6:30 PM
Gainesville FL Amateur Radio Club
AvMed Building, Health Care Park
4300 NW 89th Blvd,
Gainesville, FL.
http://www.gars.net/gars.htm
Gainesville already has a QCWA Chapter, but I will be doing a
power point presentation encouraging those that are not QCWA
members, but are eligible, to join and attend the chapter
meetings.

Saturday and Sunday, November 19 and 20
Starke FL Hamfest in
"Historic Downtown Starke Florida"
details at
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/arcba/hamfest.html
or
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_129827083753201
They say that the hamfest will be taking over the entire
downtown square in Starke.  We will have a booth and also
a forum. This should be an interesting hamfest, in that it
will be different than most hamfests, and probably a bit
more "laid back."

Saturday, November 26
Okeechobee FL "Hamfest in the Woods"
details at
http://k4oke.com/
Freedom Ranch
11655 - 441 SE
Okeechobee, FL
We should have a display booth here, but this hamfest does not
have any forums.

Saturday and Sunday, December 3 and 4
Tampa Bay FL Hamfest
Manatee Civic Center
One Haben Blvd
Palmetto, Florida
details at
http://www.fgcarc.org/
We will have a display booth and a forum.  The forum is scheduled
for 1:00 PM on Saturday in the Terra Ceia Room.

Saturday, December 10
Ocala FL Hamfest
more details later


If you will be in the area of any of these hamfests and
club meetings, I encourage you to attend.  If you have any
questions, please e-mail me at W8EK at flham.net.

I hope to see you at some of these events.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
QCWA National Director
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
Voice Phone  (352) 732-8400









From w7ab at sbcglobal.net  Mon Oct 31 13:25:52 2011
From: w7ab at sbcglobal.net (Larry Oakley)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:25:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
Message-ID: <1320081952.22135.YahooMailRC@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Polled our members at our latest brunch?.? 15 for and No against.? We always 
invite the new hams to come and have brunch with us and meet the "old-timers".

It about time we have an associate membership, it's a great way to bring them 
officially into QCWA at such time they've got their 25 years in the hobby.

QCWA is a?well?respected?organization, only better with an associate membership.

Larry, W7AB
Secretary-Treasurer
Silver State Chapter 190
Reno, NV

From wa8pxl at juno.com  Mon Oct 31 14:01:14 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 14:01:14 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
Message-ID: <20111031.140115.3336.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Larry,

1. Do you have any idea of what the membership fee for an associate will
be? 

2. Do you have a list of benefits or perks that an associate can use and
enjoy? 

3. Do you know what an associate can and can not do and do you know why
anyone would want to be an associate? 

4. Have you polled any possible associate members and asked them what
they would expect from the QCWA? 

5. Do you believe that an associate, after 5, 10, 15, or 20 years of
being an associate will really want to be a full member? If so, please
explain. 

6. Has anyone done a poll of possibible associate members to find out
just what they would expect from the QCWA during the next 5, 10, 15 or 20
years? 

7. Do you know if QCWA Hq has any idea of what they will do with an
associate member for the next 5, 10, 15 or 20 years? 

8. Do you know if there is a QCWA special committee that has answers to
any of these questions? 

9. Do you know that this issue has been already discussed by a QCWA
committee and the results are negative for associate memberships? 

10. Do you think it is a good idea to have to change the original name of
the QCWA to be "Associates and certified members by tenure as an amateur
radio opeartor of at least 25 years since initial licensing"? 

11. Do you think that the founders of our organization would be proud of
current management changing the rules of entry from 25 years to just a
week or so of being an amateur radio operator?

12. Do you think there is a possibility of the credibility of our
organization being harmed and laughed at by the whole world of amateur
radio operators? 

Larry, please tell me the thoughts of your chapter members and explain to
me, upon my deaf ears and possibly blind eyes, just why this issue is so
appealing and worthwhile that the basic premise of our organization
should change? I really want to know the over-powering reasons for a 15
to zero decision came from Chapter 190.

Thanks for your time and your report Larry.

73 Tad Burik K3QC President Chapter 196

 
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011 10:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Larry Oakley
<w7ab at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Polled our members at our latest brunch .  15 for and No against.  We 
> always 
> invite the new hams to come and have brunch with us and meet the 
> "old-timers".
> 
> It about time we have an associate membership, it's a great way to 
> bring them 
> officially into QCWA at such time they've got their 25 years in the 
> hobby.
> 
> QCWA is a well respected organization, only better with an associate 
> membership.
> 
> Larry, W7AB
> Secretary-Treasurer
> Silver State Chapter 190
> Reno, NV
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From k1nd at comcast.net  Mon Oct 31 15:01:13 2011
From: k1nd at comcast.net (Jan)
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:01:13 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
In-Reply-To: <20111031.140115.3336.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
References: <20111031.140115.3336.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
Message-ID: <4EAEF079.6030608@comcast.net>

It seems to me that it is the NEED for monies by the association
is the only reason for adding an associate category of membership

I missed our on-air-chapter yesterday ~ meets Sundays @ 8am ~ and
thus do not have a NUMBERS   ---- but  Chapter-10 has always "invited"
any licensed ham to join the NET and anyone can come to our  Annual
Meeting {without voting privileges}  and also to the Annual Picnic.

Numbers next week

Regards, Jan K1ND President
of Michigan Chapter-10

From w4sv at chapter36.org  Wed Nov  2 14:16:11 2011
From: w4sv at chapter36.org (Stan Vandiver)
Date: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 13:16:11 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <4EA9E0E3.3020902@chapter36.org>
References: <20111027.182457.2088.3.WA8PXL@juno.com>
	<4EA9E0E3.3020902@chapter36.org>
Message-ID: <4EB188EB.4080703@chapter36.org>

Members who voted in Chapter 36 were strongly opposed to an Associate 
membership, greater than 3:1.
15 NO, 4 YES

We have a large number of "guests" and I also polled them as to whether 
they would be interested in joining as an Associate Member.
12 NO, 1 YES

The silent majority of both members and guests did not respond.

73,
Stan Vandiver W4SV
Pres. Chapter 36




On 10/27/2011 5:53 PM, Stan Vandiver wrote:
> In just one day of polling, Chapter 36 members are about 2-to-1 against,
> agreeing in large part with Tad's comments below. Further, early results
> from our chapters "guests/friends" also show little interest in joining,
> though this question was unasked for.
>
> Will provide numbers in about a week if this topic continues, and after
> I get more replies from our group.
>
> 73,
> Stan Vandiver W4SV
> Pres. Ch. 36
>
>
>
>
> On 10/27/2011 5:24 PM, wa8pxl at juno.com wrote:
>> Gentlemen,
>>
>> If associates pay dues to National HQs, I will ask for a complete refund
>> of my Life Membership dues. I earned QCWA status. Associates are friends
>> and they will be ripped off if they TRY to join an organization that they
>> DO NOT QUALIFY FOR BY BASIC PRINCIPLE.
>>
>> I urge this argument to STOP NOW. Further considerations are an INSULT, A
>> BIG FRIGGIN INSULT to those WHO HAVE QUALIFIED FOR MEMBERSHIP.
>>
>> I quickly and FORMERLY ask for this topic of discussion be stopped
>> IMMEDIATELY. This OP does not want to be insulted with this topic ever
>> again. HQ needs to stick with what has been astablished from DAY ONE and
>> quit this petty bulsshitt.
>>
>> Bob Roske, as President, I expect YOU to put this issue to an end as it
>> has been done several times in the past.
>>
>> Burik K3QC
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:35:22 -0500 "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>
>> writes:
>>> This has been on the website (http://www.qcwa.org/guest-policy.htm)
>>> since
>>> June of 2005.
>>>
>>> QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
>>> W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004
>>>
>>> The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in
>>> QCWA
>>> activities was discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of
>>> Directors.
>>> Your Board has expended considerable effort toward resolving this
>>> persistent
>>> matter through letters, e-mail and personal contacts at Chapter
>>> meetings,
>>> conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus was that an
>>> associate
>>> category is not desired by QCWA membership.
>>> For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests
>>> of its
>>> members to participate in its activities. To provide guidance to
>>> those
>>> Chapters that do so, your Board developed the following statement of
>>> policy
>>> on non-member participation in Chapter activities. This policy was
>>> reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of Directors.
>>> One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from
>>> the use
>>> of the unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used
>>> as a
>>> noun, there is a tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying
>>> the word
>>> "member." That appears to make it a hot-button issue to those
>>> members who
>>> oppose any attempt to compromise the very purpose of the QCWA. For
>>> this
>>> reason, your Board recommends that all references to the A-word be
>>> avoided.
>>>
>>>
>>> POLICY ON NON-MEMBER PARTICIPATION IN CHAPTER ACTIVITIES
>>> Adopted October 2001 - Published in our QCWA Journal - Spring 2002,
>>> Page 7
>>>
>>> The Quarter Century Wireless Association, Inc. (QCWA) has as its
>>> fundamental
>>> purpose the promotion of friendship and cooperation among those very
>>>
>>> distinguished amateur radio operators who were licensed at least
>>> one-quarter
>>> century ago. The commitment to the pursuit of this purpose is
>>> codified in
>>> Article II, Section 2 of its Constitution: QCWA memberships are
>>> reserved to
>>> those currently licensed amateur operators who can prove that they
>>> were
>>> licensed at least twenty-five years ago. Further, Article VII,
>>> Section 2 of
>>> the By Laws upholds this obligation by requiring each member of a
>>> Chapter to
>>> be a member in good standing in the QCWA.
>>>
>>> A QCWA Chapter is, of course, free to welcome to its activities
>>> guests
>>> invited by its members. When there is more than occasional
>>> participation by
>>> a non-member, however, the Chapter must make clear to all concerned
>>> that the
>>> person's participation can be only as the guest of a Chapter member.
>>> This
>>> differentiation is important to honoring the long-term dedication of
>>> our
>>> extraordinary members to the amateur service -- as well as to
>>> maintaining
>>> the very credibility of the QCWA as the unique organization
>>> comprised of
>>> amateur operators licensed at least 25 year ago. Moreover, a
>>> regularly
>>> participating non-member should be expected to apply promptly for
>>> membership
>>> in the QCWA and the Chapter when the twenty-five year eligibility
>>> requirement is fulfilled.
>>>
>>> Where it is necessary for a Chapter to designate by titles the
>>> participation
>>> of it members' guests, the titles used must be such as to avoid
>>> implying any
>>> category of membership in either the QCWA or the Chapter. Each title
>>> should
>>> describe the type of participation. Suggestions: Chapter #__ Guest;
>>> Friend
>>> of Chapter #__; Chapter #__ Newsletter Subscriber; Chapter #__
>>> Supporter.
>>>
>>> By the Board of Directors
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Bob Roske, N?UF
>>> Webmaster QCWA
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From johnnykludt at earthlink.net  Wed Nov  2 15:07:11 2011
From: johnnykludt at earthlink.net (John Kludt)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 15:07:11 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change for QCWA - Chapter 49
Message-ID: <5575557.1320260831718.JavaMail.root@mswamui-swiss.atl.sa.earthlink.net>


From w2thuw2thu at gmail.com  Wed Nov  2 21:41:51 2011
From: w2thuw2thu at gmail.com (robert winston)
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:41:51 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
In-Reply-To: <1320081952.22135.YahooMailRC@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <1320081952.22135.YahooMailRC@web80701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ4V3XCzBeh03tr4VSgvXcW0KHdqW3YJXJL4WZOiSRBvLTsvtg@mail.gmail.com>

QCWA Chapter 1 has about 100 members. 21 of these are not eligible for QCWA
and we call them MLO (membership list only). These would be what you call
associate members. We feel that we need to get the younger hams interested
in our chapter, so they can join the national when they are eligible. They
check into our nets and come to our quarterly luncheons. Our weekly net
control is an MLO. He does a great job, too!

Don't forget that we are eligible for QCWA simply by living long enough and
not by our achievements in our great hobby. Let's not chase away
interested, younger members. Our chapter supports the associate member idea.

Bob Winston  W2THU
President
QCWA Chapter 1
Cleveland, Ohio

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Oakley <w7ab at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Polled our members at our latest brunch .  15 for and No against.  We
> always
> invite the new hams to come and have brunch with us and meet the
> "old-timers".
>
> It about time we have an associate membership, it's a great way to bring
> them
> officially into QCWA at such time they've got their 25 years in the hobby.
>
> QCWA is a well respected organization, only better with an associate
> membership.
>
> Larry, W7AB
> Secretary-Treasurer
> Silver State Chapter 190
> Reno, NV
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWAHotlist mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwahotlist
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From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 09:15:55 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:15:55 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
Message-ID: <20111103.091556.3412.1.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Bob,

Your information is most interesting.

As a former Clevelander I was lucky enough to have listened to a couple
of chapter 1 members talk about the QCWA while I was a novice on 2 meters
in 1965. Twenty five years later, at the age of 38 I qualified for
membership and eventually started a new chapter here in Fort Myers, FL.
The succession of my call signs are as follows...WN8PXL, WA8PXL and now
K3QC. 

In the polling process at chapter 1 did anyone have any idea of what an
associate means? Does anyone know the benefits that an associate would
have? Was there a dollar amount referenced for an associate member? Will
an associate get a copy of the Journal ? What questions were asked by
your MLO's and how were those questions answered? I would like to know
how you made a presentation to your group so I can do the same or better
at my chapter 196 in a couple of weeks.

I might like the idea of a MLO but how does a MLO not feel offended as
opposed to being an invited guest? Is the carriage ahead of the horse, so
to speak?

My best advice is for other chapters to do as you are doing. Invite
guests to meetings/ luncheons. Have on the air meetings if possible. 

There are many of us who show up at hamfests and represent the QCWA as a
recruiting effort. I encourage more of that. 

I also encourage more advertising in publications and recruiting sponsors
from equipment manufacturers. I encourage more on the air QSO parties to
promote our orgainzation. As an international organization there is very
little recruiting out of the USA, Canada and Germany. Tell me if I am
wrong. As an international orgainzation I feel we could do better around
the world.

In the mean time, my heart says to me that there are basic principles
that our organization must stand for and our bylaws have already answered
the question in total. No associate members has been documented and has
been prresented to the membership already.

73 Tad K3QC President Chapter 196





 
On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:41:51 -0400 robert winston <w2thuw2thu at gmail.com>
writes:
> QCWA Chapter 1 has about 100 members. 21 of these are not eligible 
> for QCWA
> and we call them MLO (membership list only). These would be what you 
> call
> associate members. We feel that we need to get the younger hams 
> interested
> in our chapter, so they can join the national when they are 
> eligible. They
> check into our nets and come to our quarterly luncheons. Our weekly 
> net
> control is an MLO. He does a great job, too!
> 
> Don't forget that we are eligible for QCWA simply by living long 
> enough and
> not by our achievements in our great hobby. Let's not chase away
> interested, younger members. Our chapter supports the associate 
> member idea.
> 
> Bob Winston  W2THU
> President
> QCWA Chapter 1
> Cleveland, Ohio
> 
> On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Oakley <w7ab at sbcglobal.net> 
> wrote:
> 
> > Polled our members at our latest brunch .  15 for and No against.  
> We
> > always
> > invite the new hams to come and have brunch with us and meet the
> > "old-timers".
> >
> > It about time we have an associate membership, it's a great way to 
> bring
> > them
> > officially into QCWA at such time they've got their 25 years in 
> the hobby.
> >
> > QCWA is a well respected organization, only better with an 
> associate
> > membership.
> >
> > Larry, W7AB
> > Secretary-Treasurer
> > Silver State Chapter 190
> > Reno, NV
> > ______________________________________________________________
> > QCWAHotlist mailing list
> > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwahotlist
> > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> >
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From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Nov  3 11:20:14 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2011 11:20:14 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] associate membership
Message-ID: <20111103.112015.3412.2.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Larry,

Thanks for input. 

Please educate me as to exactly what the benefits to HQ and to an
associate will be. I need more information and it seems nobody can come
up with a clear description of what an associate would be.

73 Tad K3QC


On Thu, 3 Nov 2011 09:15:55 -0400 wa8pxl at juno.com writes:
> Hi Bob,
> 
> Your information is most interesting.
> 
> As a former Clevelander I was lucky enough to have listened to a 
> couple
> of chapter 1 members talk about the QCWA while I was a novice on 2 
> meters
> in 1965. Twenty five years later, at the age of 38 I qualified for
> membership and eventually started a new chapter here in Fort Myers, 
> FL.
> The succession of my call signs are as follows...WN8PXL, WA8PXL and 
> now
> K3QC. 
> 
> In the polling process at chapter 1 did anyone have any idea of what 
> an
> associate means? Does anyone know the benefits that an associate 
> would
> have? Was there a dollar amount referenced for an associate member? 
> Will
> an associate get a copy of the Journal ? What questions were asked 
> by
> your MLO's and how were those questions answered? I would like to 
> know
> how you made a presentation to your group so I can do the same or 
> better
> at my chapter 196 in a couple of weeks.
> 
> I might like the idea of a MLO but how does a MLO not feel offended 
> as
> opposed to being an invited guest? Is the carriage ahead of the 
> horse, so
> to speak?
> 
> My best advice is for other chapters to do as you are doing. Invite
> guests to meetings/ luncheons. Have on the air meetings if possible. 
> 
> 
> There are many of us who show up at hamfests and represent the QCWA 
> as a
> recruiting effort. I encourage more of that. 
> 
> I also encourage more advertising in publications and recruiting 
> sponsors
> from equipment manufacturers. I encourage more on the air QSO 
> parties to
> promote our orgainzation. As an international organization there is 
> very
> little recruiting out of the USA, Canada and Germany. Tell me if I 
> am
> wrong. As an international orgainzation I feel we could do better 
> around
> the world.
> 
> In the mean time, my heart says to me that there are basic 
> principles
> that our organization must stand for and our bylaws have already 
> answered
> the question in total. No associate members has been documented and 
> has
> been prresented to the membership already.
> 
> 73 Tad K3QC President Chapter 196
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  
> On Wed, 2 Nov 2011 21:41:51 -0400 robert winston 
> <w2thuw2thu at gmail.com>
> writes:
> > QCWA Chapter 1 has about 100 members. 21 of these are not eligible 
> 
> > for QCWA
> > and we call them MLO (membership list only). These would be what 
> you 
> > call
> > associate members. We feel that we need to get the younger hams 
> > interested
> > in our chapter, so they can join the national when they are 
> > eligible. They
> > check into our nets and come to our quarterly luncheons. Our 
> weekly 
> > net
> > control is an MLO. He does a great job, too!
> > 
> > Don't forget that we are eligible for QCWA simply by living long 
> > enough and
> > not by our achievements in our great hobby. Let's not chase away
> > interested, younger members. Our chapter supports the associate 
> > member idea.
> > 
> > Bob Winston  W2THU
> > President
> > QCWA Chapter 1
> > Cleveland, Ohio
> > 
> > On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Larry Oakley <w7ab at sbcglobal.net> 
> 
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > Polled our members at our latest brunch .  15 for and No 
> against.  
> > We
> > > always
> > > invite the new hams to come and have brunch with us and meet 
> the
> > > "old-timers".
> > >
> > > It about time we have an associate membership, it's a great way 
> to 
> > bring
> > > them
> > > officially into QCWA at such time they've got their 25 years in 
> 
> > the hobby.
> > >
> > > QCWA is a well respected organization, only better with an 
> > associate
> > > membership.
> > >
> > > Larry, W7AB
> > > Secretary-Treasurer
> > > Silver State Chapter 190
> > > Reno, NV
> > > ______________________________________________________________
> > > QCWAHotlist mailing list
> > > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwahotlist
> > > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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> > >
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From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Thu Nov  3 15:12:22 2011
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 13:12:22 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Straw Poll on Associate Member Issue
Message-ID: <4EB2E796.4060607@verizon.net>

QCWA Chapter 119 conducted a straw poll of its members with 
announcements via the Virginia QCWA Newsletter and announcements on 
our Virginia HF Net and the local QCWA VHF net.  While dialog was not 
asked for, it would have been naive to expect that there wouldn't be 
any.  Without more information, however, such dialog is not really 
helpful.

Of course the ultimate decision on this issue will depend on many 
factors, not the least of which would be the actual definition of an 
Associate Member.  A determining factor would also be the extent to 
which such a move could be seen as providing enough membership 
financial support to QCWA to keep it alive and providing member 
benefits.  All of that would have to be considered at the time The 
Question was called in a proper forum.

There will be discussion of this issue, as there has been each time it 
has arisen.  While many of our members have not changed their thinking 
about this issue over the years, the conditions leading up to the 
proposal certainly have changed, and at some point this change might 
be seen as a NECESSARY step to reverse our present decline.  Keeping 
the organization alive is a powerful incentive to do what must be 
done, in spite of many other feelings.

The result of the Chapter 119 members poll is as follows:

Those in FAVOR of relaxing membership requirements -- 11

Those OPPOSED to relaxing membership requirements -- 16

Those Chapter 119 members NOT VOTING -- 52.

One might interpret those results in this way:  Eleven members would 
be happy to increase the membership by allowing formal association by 
those who now interact with us as Friends of Chapter 119.  There is, 
perhaps, a danger in losing some of the 16 members who oppose relaxing 
membership, but probably not ALL of them.  The real mystery in all 
this is how to consider the vast majority -- 52 members -- who were 
not sufficiently moved to vote.  Given that we have approximately 85 
Friends of Chapter 119, how many of them could we expect to pick up as 
paying members? -- some, but certainly not all of them.  But probably 
enough to offset those who value QCWA so lightly as to let a necessary 
change in nomenclature drive them from among our ranks.

Tough Times --Tough decisions.  We will have to have much more 
information than is available at present before we can make a truly 
'informed' decision on an issue this complex.  It would be best for 
all to keep in mind that QCWA is an organization we all love, and that 
we only want to preserve the proper respect for it in the long run.  
It is NOT responsible leadership, at ANY level, to bury ones head in 
the sand and ignore the present reality.

Vic Culver, W4VIC
President, QCWA Chapter 119 Inc.



From leeg at erols.com  Thu Nov  3 22:32:15 2011
From: leeg at erols.com (Lee)
Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:32:15 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 91 Straw Poll
Message-ID: <5b9ffe$s7q1bu@smtp01.lnh.mail.rcn.net>

As others have mentioned one question comes is what is an "associate member"?
Someone who pays dues and gets the magazine?

However the voting for Chapter 91 so far is 13 member is favor of 
having associate members and 6 opposed to the concept.
I have one abstaining vote  3/4th of our membership did not response 
to the poll
Lee. KD4RE
Secretary Chapter 91


From wa8pxl at juno.com  Fri Nov  4 09:07:05 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:07:05 -0400
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 91 Straw Poll
Message-ID: <20111104.090706.1412.0.WA8PXL@juno.com>


Hi Lee,

Thanks for your input. The more I can bring to Chapter 196 for
consideration the better. I find it extremely interesting that 3/4 of
your membership did not respond. That fact provides me with volumes of
information and I can only presume a bit of disgust in any compromise of
the very basic character of our orgnization. 

73 Tad K3QC President of Chapter 196
 
On Thu, 03 Nov 2011 22:32:15 -0400 Lee <leeg at erols.com> writes:
> As others have mentioned one question comes is what is an "associate 
> member"?
> Someone who pays dues and gets the magazine?
> 
> However the voting for Chapter 91 so far is 13 member is favor of 
> having associate members and 6 opposed to the concept.
> I have one abstaining vote  3/4th of our membership did not response 
> 
> to the poll
> Lee. KD4RE
> Secretary Chapter 91
> 
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From johnnykludt at earthlink.net  Fri Nov  4 09:29:36 2011
From: johnnykludt at earthlink.net (John Kludt)
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 09:29:36 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 49 Vote
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From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Sat Nov  5 21:06:28 2011
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:06:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 41 Vote - Associate Member Issue
Message-ID: <1320541588.68109.YahooMailClassic@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Hi "Scribe" Vic:
?
For the official tally.............
?
Following are the results of the controversial Associate Member count that occurred today during the Dallas, Chapter 41 meeting in Dallas, TX:
?
When all so-called members(*) were polled the ?results were:
?
For:? 8
?
Against:? 2
?
* - There is a tendency for all to refer to themselves as "members" but may only belong to national or the local chapter and maybe even neither!
?
Then, out of curiosity, I asked for a new poll but requested that only those in good standing with natl' give their vote:
?
For: 7
?
Against: 3
?
Then, one of our Chapter 41?members caught up in the moment of voting insisted on another vote: "How many QCWA Life Members are present?"
?
Result: 5 Life Members present out of 12 total in attendance
?
Fini.........
?
Val Erwin / W5PUT

From wa8pxl at juno.com  Sun Nov  6 07:41:14 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 07:41:14 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 41 Vote - Associate Member Issue
Message-ID: <20111106.074115.2780.1.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Val,

During your presentation to your chapter members regarding associates,
just how did you explain what an associate would be? Did you explain the
benefits that an associate would have? Do you really know what an
associate would be? Please tell me more about your presentation. 

FYI...The issue of associates was already discussed and HQ, along with
the directors and special committee members previously said NO. NO WAY.
If you do not have a record of the bylaws and decisions already made
regarding this topic, you can ask our President or GM to send them out
again via this reflector. 

73 Tad K3QC President of Chapter 196


On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Val Erwin
<dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Hi "Scribe" Vic:
>  
> For the official tally.............
>  
> Following are the results of the controversial Associate Member 
> count that occurred today during the Dallas, Chapter 41 meeting in 
> Dallas, TX:
>  
> When all so-called members(*) were polled the  results were:
>  
> For:  8
>  
> Against:  2
>  
> * - There is a tendency for all to refer to themselves as "members" 
> but may only belong to national or the local chapter and maybe even 
> neither!
>  
> Then, out of curiosity, I asked for a new poll but requested that 
> only those in good standing with natl' give their vote:
>  
> For: 7
>  
> Against: 3
>  
> Then, one of our Chapter 41 members caught up in the moment of 
> voting insisted on another vote: "How many QCWA Life Members are 
> present?"
>  
> Result: 5 Life Members present out of 12 total in attendance
>  
> Fini.........
>  
> Val Erwin / W5PUT
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From aa5kv at live.com  Sat Nov  5 22:14:26 2011
From: aa5kv at live.com (John Stewart)
Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2011 21:14:26 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 85 vote
Message-ID: <BLU157-ds1471A31D7A8887621EE3BB8BD80@phx.gbl>

I polled members at our recent (10/29) quarterly meeting and followed up with an email request for votes to those who didn?t missed the meeting.

Results on the associate member question:

YES: 3
No: 10

73 to all,

John Stewart, AA5KV
Secretary/Treasurer
Chapter 85 ? ArkLaTex


From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov  6 12:00:07 2011
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2011 09:00:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 41 Vote - Associate Member Issue
In-Reply-To: <20111106.074115.2780.1.WA8PXL@juno.com>
Message-ID: <1320598807.98094.YahooMailClassic@web83403.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Good Morning Tad:
?
At this point, if indeed it ever comes to pass, an Associate Member has not been defined as a blond-headed ham from Minnesota! (?Personally, I would prefer the title of QCWA Associate.)
?
Some of the questions that you posed to me were identical to those posed by members of Chapter 41.? I merely advised them to consider if they would ever want to have/consider an alternate type of Membership in the QCWA, for sake of conversation, known as Associate Members. For sake of the vote, an Associate Member was defined as merely a ham with less than 25 years tenure, nothing more, nothing less.
?
Tad, this idea is nothing new as it seems to resurface every 3-5 years. There are good points and bad points about the concept.
?
As one that travels to numerous hamfests each year and has contacts with multiple Chapters, it is a widely recognized fact that many Chapters?already ?have multiple classes of tongue-in-cheek members to include:
?
1. Legitimate Chapter Members that are current with both chapter and natl' Member dues.
2.?Chapter Members that are not current with natl' dues.
3.?Chapter Members that have never belonged to the natl' organization
4. Etc.
?
NOTE: Don't forget that officially in order to be eligible for chapter membership, one must first be a member of national.?
?
Tad, when one looks at the above list, technically, the only person that should be allowed to vote on any issue is item # 1!.............But it is much more complicated than that!? It is widely known that many chapters have other types of members that they consider a member of the chapter and they are called "friends of", "associate members", "visiting member", or ?etc. etc. Thus,?one could add a # 5 to the above list which is:
?
5. A?chapter member that is technically ineligible to be a member of a chapter or of national! This type of member is out there, they already exist!
?
Thus Tad,?when one takes a vote, it is difficult to determine the?type of member you are really getting the vote from!!
?
Regardless Tad, at this point, again?this is merely a concept and please take a vote and submit the results of that vote to?President Roske and the?QCWA HotList.......TNX for your cooperation.........
?
Hope I have not confused you!
?
Hava' good Sunday
?
Val L. Erwin, W5PUT
QCWA Director

--- On Sun, 11/6/11, wa8pxl at juno.com <wa8pxl at juno.com> wrote:


From: wa8pxl at juno.com <wa8pxl at juno.com>
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 41 Vote - Associate Member Issue
To: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net
Cc: vic.w4vic at verizon.net, qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net
Date: Sunday, November 6, 2011, 12:41 PM





Hi Val,
?
During your presentation to your chapter members regarding associates, just how did you explain what an associate would be? Did you explain the benefits that an associate would have? Do you really know what an associate would be? Please tell me more about your presentation. 
?
FYI...The issue of associates was already discussed and HQ, along with the directors and special committee members previously said NO. NO WAY. If you do not have a record of the bylaws and decisions already made regarding this topic, you can ask our President or GM to send them out again via this?reflector. 
?
73 Tad K3QC President of Chapter 196
?
?
On Sat, 5 Nov 2011 18:06:28 -0700 (PDT) Val Erwin <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net> writes:
> Hi "Scribe" Vic:
> ?
> For the official tally.............
> ?
> Following are the results of the controversial Associate Member 
> count that occurred today during the Dallas, Chapter 41 meeting in 
> Dallas, TX:
> ?
> When all so-called members(*) were polled the ?results were:
> ?
> For:? 8
> ?
> Against:? 2
> ?
> * - There is a tendency for all to refer to themselves as "members" 
> but may only belong to national or the local chapter and maybe even 
> neither!
> ?
> Then, out of curiosity, I asked for a new poll but requested that 
> only those in good standing with natl' give their vote:
> ?
> For: 7
> ?
> Against: 3
> ?
> Then, one of our Chapter 41?members caught up in the moment of 
> voting insisted on another vote: "How many QCWA Life Members are 
> present?"
> ?
> Result: 5 Life Members present out of 12 total in attendance
> ?
> Fini.........
> ?
> Val Erwin / W5PUT
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From w6yoo at cox.net  Thu Nov 10 12:06:03 2011
From: w6yoo at cox.net (Harry Hodges)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:06:03 -0000
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Hotlist] associate membership - San Diego
	Chapter 14
Message-ID: <003501cc9fcb$0723b5a0$156b20e0$@cox.net>

All,

At our recent quarterly luncheon meeting the subject of Associate Membership
was thoroughly discussed.

Following the discussion a show of hands was called for in support of the
concept. Not a single hand was raised.

73, 

Harry A. Hodges, W6YOO
Chapter President


From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Nov 10 14:09:50 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 14:09:50 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Hotlist] associate membership - San Diego
	Chapter 14
Message-ID: <20111110.140951.428.4.WA8PXL@juno.com>



Hi Harry and all,

Harry, your report warrants deep consideration in this futile issue.
Thank you for sharing your results. Your members REALLY GET IT!!  

73 Tad K3QC Pres Ch 196

 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:06:03 -0000 "Harry Hodges" <w6yoo at cox.net> writes:
> All,
> 
> At our recent quarterly luncheon meeting the subject of Associate 
> Membership
> was thoroughly discussed.
> 
> Following the discussion a show of hands was called for in support 
> of the
> concept. Not a single hand was raised.
> 
> 73, 
> 
> Harry A. Hodges, W6YOO
> Chapter President
> 
> 
> 
 

From K2SSB at ARRL.NET  Thu Nov 10 16:43:54 2011
From: K2SSB at ARRL.NET (Hazen, Stanley S.)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:43:54 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership in QCWA
Message-ID: <F09AB9281A67420DBD8041A0282C3048@Dell>


All -

Chapter 155 held its periodic dinner meeting on on Sunday, 6 November.  Eight members, 
plus guests, attended.

Harry Dannals, W2HD, and Chapter President Stan Hazen, K2SSB, summarized the issues 
relating to associate membership.  All eight members then voted unanimously to oppose 
creation of an Associate Member category.

73,

Stan Hazen, K2SSB
Chapter 155 President 



From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Nov 10 17:59:21 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:59:21 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership in QCWA
Message-ID: <20111110.175922.428.9.WA8PXL@juno.com>



Hello Stan,

Thanks for your input and information on this issue. 

73 Tad K3QC

 
On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:43:54 -0500 "Hazen, Stanley S." <K2SSB at ARRL.NET>
writes:
> 
> All -
> 
> Chapter 155 held its periodic dinner meeting on on Sunday, 6 
> November.  Eight members, 
> plus guests, attended.
> 
> Harry Dannals, W2HD, and Chapter President Stan Hazen, K2SSB, 
> summarized the issues 
> relating to associate membership.  All eight members then voted 
> unanimously to oppose 
> creation of an Associate Member category.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Stan Hazen, K2SSB
> Chapter 155 President 
> 
> 
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From bw2mta at juno.com  Fri Nov 11 10:44:30 2011
From: bw2mta at juno.com (bw2mta at juno.com)
Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2011 15:44:30 GMT
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership in QCWA
Message-ID: <20111111.104430.3177.0@webmail58.vgs.untd.com>

Hello Bob N0UF,
I hope that you received my earlier response to you, sent direct rather than through the Hotlist...

Reporting from QCWA Chapter 28, Central New York & Endless Mountains sixty Members,
as its Secretary...
We are opposed to the ambiguous "Associate" proposal, feeling such is not a compatible
feature for QCWA national to consider beyond its previousc rulings.
William W. Thompson, W2MTA, Chapter 28


---------- Original Message ----------
From: wa8pxl at juno.com
To: K2SSB at ARRL.NET
Cc: QCWAHotlist at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership in QCWA
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 17:59:21 -0500


Hello Stan,

Thanks for your input and information on this issue. 

73 Tad K3QC


On Thu, 10 Nov 2011 16:43:54 -0500 "Hazen, Stanley S." <K2SSB at ARRL.NET>
writes:
> 
> All -
> 
> Chapter 155 held its periodic dinner meeting on on Sunday, 6 
> November.  Eight members, 
> plus guests, attended.
> 
> Harry Dannals, W2HD, and Chapter President Stan Hazen, K2SSB, 
> summarized the issues 
> relating to associate membership.  All eight members then voted 
> unanimously to oppose 
> creation of an Associate Member category.
> 
> 73,
> 
> Stan Hazen, K2SSB
> Chapter 155 President 
> 

 

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From wb9pnu at charter.net  Sat Nov 12 16:14:24 2011
From: wb9pnu at charter.net (John Germanos)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:14:24 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
In-Reply-To: <1F93BF7E8A4B45BBB2690AFF6EFA5D1B@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <FCEBILKJBICLKKPHONNDGEIFENAA.wb9pnu@charter.net>

Bob,

We just took a vote at our meeting today. Missouri Chapter 19.
Results:
Yes - 1
No - 10

One member suggested sending the Journal out as a pdf file, savinga whole
bunch of money in the printing and postage.
Just a thought.

73, John WB9PNU
Secretary Chapter 19

-----Original Message-----
From: qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net
[mailto:qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Bob Roske
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 7:13 AM
To: 'QCWA - Hotlist'
Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


You can only post to the reflector from the email id you were subscribed
with.  If you used callsign at arrl.net on the Annual Report then that's the
email id you should use.

Otherwise I need to individually release your post to the group.

tnx es 73,
Bob N0UF
Reflector Admin


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From w6rtw at att.net  Sat Nov 12 18:03:01 2011
From: w6rtw at att.net (Bob Wade)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 15:03:01 -0800
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
References: <9E1A2C59125F4083BD672D3B5A3AAD31@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <2AC286785A504E548F4F88AFD121BBA7@WIRED>

Hi Bob,
In keeping with your request, I will not provide any rhetoric. (I do have 
some though)

The Chapter #177 Lucky Henderson Chapter numbers are:

YES - 16    No - 0

73,
Bob Wade - W6RTW
Secretary/Treasurer, QCWA Chapter 177
Deputy Chief Administration, Riverside County RACES
Treasurer, Corona Radio Control Club
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To: "QCWA - Hotlist" <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 3:28 PM
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this 
discussion, I want numbers.

This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or 
during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week, 
next month or next year is fine.

Chapter ___
Should QCWA National have associate members  ____ Yes  ____ No.   (enter 
numbers)

Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members 
feel.

tnx es 73
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA


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From k4po at charter.net  Sat Nov 12 18:05:17 2011
From: k4po at charter.net (Philip)
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2011 17:05:17 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
Message-ID: <70720B058A904017B9D6B8932AC0A371@HomeOffice>


Chapter 40 Pole on question "Should QCWA National have associate members??" 
Result - 4 no, 1 yes, one member absent.  We are small in number, but big on
QCWA.  

Philip Salley, K4PO
Secretary, Alabama Chapter 40

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:qcwahotlist-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bob Roske
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 6:29 PM
To: QCWA - Hotlist
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?

Let me be clear, I do not want or need rhetoric, I know both sides of this
discussion, I want numbers.

This will not happen today or tomorrow.  At your next chapter meeting or
during your next net, take a vote and report those findings.  Next week,
next month or next year is fine.

Chapter ___
Should QCWA National have associate members  ____ Yes  ____ No.   (enter
numbers)

Please respond to the reflector so others know how your chapter members
feel.

tnx es 73
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA


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From wv1x at arrl.org  Wed Nov 16 13:12:00 2011
From: wv1x at arrl.org (Ewald, Steve,  WV1X)
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:12:00 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist]  Associate Membership Discussion
In-Reply-To: <70720B058A904017B9D6B8932AC0A371@HomeOffice>
References: <70720B058A904017B9D6B8932AC0A371@HomeOffice>
Message-ID: <145372871023544E98881538F29B1DFC030C078D@cartagia.ARRLHQ.ORG>

Hello, everyone. 

At the QCWA Nutmeg Chapter (#149) meeting and luncheon this past
weekend, we discussed the associate membership issue. 
After the discussion, a poll was taken.  

Chapter 149:

Should QCWA National have associate members?  __9__ Yes;  __2__ No.   


73,

Steve Ewald, WV1X
Secretary, QCWA Nutmeg Chapter (#149)
Connecticut 


From wa8pxl at juno.com  Thu Nov 17 08:27:27 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 08:27:27 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership Discussion
Message-ID: <20111117.082728.416.2.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Steve,

Thanks for your information.

Please tell me exactly what your 9 YES members would expect from an
associate membership? I would like to know what is so attractive about
associate memberships. Can you tell me where you got exact information
about associate memberships that you shared with your local members that
incouraged them to say YES?

73 Tad K3QC President Chapter 196

 
On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 13:12:00 -0500 "Ewald, Steve,  WV1X" <wv1x at arrl.org>
writes:
> Hello, everyone. 
> 
> At the QCWA Nutmeg Chapter (#149) meeting and luncheon this past
> weekend, we discussed the associate membership issue. 
> After the discussion, a poll was taken.  
> 
> Chapter 149:
> 
> Should QCWA National have associate members?  __9__ Yes;  __2__ No.  
>  
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Steve Ewald, WV1X
> Secretary, QCWA Nutmeg Chapter (#149)
> Connecticut 
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From k4cgy at yahoo.com  Thu Nov 17 09:59:02 2011
From: k4cgy at yahoo.com (James Owen)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 06:59:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Membership Discussion
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References: <70720B058A904017B9D6B8932AC0A371@HomeOffice>
	<145372871023544E98881538F29B1DFC030C078D@cartagia.ARRLHQ.ORG>
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At the QCWA Chapter #155 meeting on the 6th of November
after discussion of? the associate membership issue. 
A motion was passed to reject associate membership.? 

Chapter 155:

Should QCWA? have associate members?? __0__ Yes;? __8__ No.? 
?
James C. Owen, III K4CGY
Sec/Tres Chapter #155

From dpenezic at embarqmail.com  Thu Nov 17 09:16:46 2011
From: dpenezic at embarqmail.com (David Penezic)
Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2011 09:16:46 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate membership issue.
Message-ID: <5A014F53BDB5453EA5B69CE48920D8AD@BlackPC>

Hello Everyone,

QCWA Chapter 196 ( Edison Chapter ) conducted an poll by email.
Eleven members responded. Ten of the eleven are national members and they voted No. The remaining member has one more year to go to be eligible for national membership he also voted No.  11 - NO  zero - Yes.

73 Dave WG4K
Secretary QCWA Chapter 196

From w2thuw2thu at gmail.com  Fri Nov 18 15:48:05 2011
From: w2thuw2thu at gmail.com (robert winston)
Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:48:05 +0000
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate membership issue.
In-Reply-To: <5A014F53BDB5453EA5B69CE48920D8AD@BlackPC>
References: <5A014F53BDB5453EA5B69CE48920D8AD@BlackPC>
Message-ID: <CAJ4V3XBtFJ-Gm+i9EDn6nTOz9j9GOjPqXAPfVsfpGa-ksN1RgQ@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow QCWA Members:

Some Cleveland Chapter 1 members meet weekly on Fridays for "lunch bunch."
This is not a chapter  sponsored event. I polled the 10 Chapter 1 members
present today and the resut was 9 no  and 1 yes to the idea of a less than
full membership in our national organization.

Earlier, I had written that our chapter supports the idea of an associate
member. To clarify, we welcome non QCWA members to check into our nets and
to come to our quarterly luncheons. We know that they are not yet eligible
to join the national QCWA, but we will not tell them to go away because
they represent the next generation of QCWA.

73,

Bob
President
Cleveland Chapter 1

On Thu, Nov 17, 2011 at 2:16 PM, David Penezic <dpenezic at embarqmail.com>wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> QCWA Chapter 196 ( Edison Chapter ) conducted an poll by email.
> Eleven members responded. Ten of the eleven are national members and they
> voted No. The remaining member has one more year to go to be eligible for
> national membership he also voted No.  11 - NO  zero - Yes.
>
> 73 Dave WG4K
> Secretary QCWA Chapter 196
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From k4byf at tampabay.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 13:50:47 2011
From: k4byf at tampabay.rr.com (k4byf at tampabay.rr.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 18:50:47 +0000
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A Change For QCWA
Message-ID: <20111119185047.GGE47.18313.root@hrndva-web14-z02>

The six members at our November meeting, although stating they need to know the requirements for an associate member, voted as follows: YES - 6, NO - 0, ABSTAIN - 1.

From wdews at dc.rr.com  Sat Nov 19 14:04:27 2011
From: wdews at dc.rr.com (Bill Dews)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:04:27 -0800
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <4EC7FDBB.5000702@dc.rr.com>

Bob, today at our lunch meeting the subject about associate members was 
voted on and the 5 members all said yes for the National to have  
associate members, no disapproval's.
      73

Bill Dews K6AWO
Secretary     QCWA Chapter 154
Palm Desert , California




From wa8pxl at juno.com  Sat Nov 19 14:40:01 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 14:40:01 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <20111119.144003.1460.12.WA8PXL@juno.com>

Hi Bill,

Thanks for your information.

Please tell me the thoughts of your membership concerning associate
membership.

Did anyone know the benefits an associate would have compared to a full
tenured member?

Did anyone know how much an associate membership would cost? Would there
be a cost? Would the cost be more than a full tenured membership? Where
would the moneys collected for an associate membership go? Would they
stay local or go to National?

Did anyone consider the appropriate name change that would have to occur
if associates were to become a member of a group of hams who have been
hams for at least 25 years?

Were there any suggestions as to just what the QCWA would be called, in
as much as membership would be open to any licensed amateur? On that,
would an associate have to be a licensed amateur?

Please advise the thought pattern of your membership regarding just what
an associate would be?

I am confused so please explain.

73 Tad K3QC President of Chapter 196 


On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 11:04:27 -0800 Bill Dews <wdews at dc.rr.com> writes:
> Bob, today at our lunch meeting the subject about associate members 
> was 
> voted on and the 5 members all said yes for the National to have  
> associate members, no disapproval's.
>       73
> 
> Bill Dews K6AWO
> Secretary     QCWA Chapter 154
> Palm Desert , California
> 
> 
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From w8mv at arrl.net  Sat Nov 19 19:09:01 2011
From: w8mv at arrl.net (Mel Vye)
Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2011 19:09:01 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <CAPY63deAUdM4UxcbBKL7Ly+c4PdJSZahkXd==ZrO9ER_GXpBqA@mail.gmail.com>

Results of vote at Chapter 21 meeting:

Yes 5

No 3

Mel Vye  W8MV

From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Sun Nov 20 19:38:20 2011
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:38:20 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <1321835900.12542.YahooMailClassic@web83401.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Subject: Associate Member
?
Yesterday, Saturday, I attended the Chapter 72, Ft. Worth, TX Chapter meeting.? As might be expected, the subject of Associate Members came up and a vote was taken.? Surprisingly, several in attendance thought? Associate Members was a "done deal" but I advised them that the subject had only been presented for discussion only. 
?
Then, several asked what the criteria was for an "Associate Member"?...........I assured them that the Board had not even approached that subject yet but advised them that at this time, the Board was only trying to get a rough count of the potential acceptability of the "concept" of a so-called "Associate Member".
?
The final count was FOR: 6? / AGAINST: 0 /ABSTAIN: 0
?
After the count was taken, one of those in attendance stated that if possible he would really rather see the Associate category occur at the Chapter level but not at the nat' level.
?
Val Erwin / W5PUT
Member Chapter 41, 63, and 72

From W8EK at flham.net  Tue Nov 22 08:32:02 2011
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 08:32:02 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Info
Message-ID: <4ECBA452.30909@flham.net>


Greetings,

For those of you who do not know me, I am one of your national 
directors.  I have been Chairman of the Chapter Relations Committee, 
and as of about 2 weeks ago, I am now chairing the Finance Committee. 
  I try to attend as many hamfests and chapter meetings as possible. 
In 2010, I attended 28 hamfests, 26 chapter meetings, and presented 10 
forums.  In the past 15 days, I have attended 3 hamfests, and 
presented 6 forums for QCWA.  So I try to get the input from members.

I would like to use this reflector to give you information.

Yes, QCWA is having financial problems.  That may be an understatement!

However, you need to know that the QCWA Scholarship fund is NOT having 
financial problems.  The Scholarship Fund is separate from regular 
QCWA operating funds, and it is fairly healthy.  Not as healthy as if 
the stock market was doing better, but healthy never the less.  The 
dollar amount of scholarships given is dependent on the amount earned 
by the Scholarship Fund.  At one point it touched $700K, but is now at 
about $660K of endowed funds.  Since only the earnings are used for 
scholarships, it will fluctuate with the stock market, but basically 
continue to grow as it receives additional contributions.

In addition to the scholarship fund, QCWA had two other invested 
funds.  One is the Endowment Fund, which I am told is for "rainy 
days".  That fund did have about $40K in it, but it is now about half 
of that, due to the shortfall from the RI Convention.

The other invested fund is the Corporate Account.  This is where we 
are really hurting.  This is the fund that is used for general 
operating expenses. At year end 2009, it had about $145K; at year end 
2010, it had about $128K.  Now it has about $90K.  You see the trend. 
  This is why our CPA informed us that we needed to do "something", or 
QCWA would be spent into bankruptcy in a few years.

I need to assure you that QCWA is "watching its pennies" closely and 
not spending unnecessarily.  Chuck does a good job of watching things 
at HQ.  But we also need to remember that we will be getting a new 
General Manager, and moving HQ soon.  That will involve extra expense.

One of the things that we all need to be aware of is that QCWA is a 
501(c)3 organization, which means that any donations to QCWA are tax 
deductible.  We need to embark on a "Charitable Giving" program, which 
means large donations, including QCWA in your will, and other "tax 
advantage" activities.  This will be done as soon as I can get 
information together, and get it approved by the Finance Committee, 
and Board of Directors.

I wish I had more -- and better -- information to give you, but I have 
been on the road for QCWA most of the time since I was given the 
Finance Chair job.  I am still trying to collect accurate information.

I welcome your questions and comments.  It would probably be better to 
address those to me individually at W8EK at FLHam.net.  When I am home, I 
try to respond to e-mail within a couple hours.  If on the road, that 
time can vary, depending on e-mail availability.  We have hamfests 
each of the next three weekends.

Please let me know your thoughts.  I want to be certain that you have 
the information that you need.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
QCWA National Director
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
Voice Phone  (352) 732-8400







From charles.mcconnell at comcast.net  Tue Nov 22 18:04:17 2011
From: charles.mcconnell at comcast.net (Charles McConnell)
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2011 15:04:17 -0800
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members
Message-ID: <CAF16A71.2A9D9%charles.mcconnell@comcast.net>

Today the concept of an associate member category for QCWA was discussed at
the monthly meeting of  Chapter 213.

The vote was YES 1 and NO 11 on the question of an associate member category
for QCWA.

73,
-- 
Charles W6DPD
S/T
QCWA Fresno Chapter 213




From greenflash at aol.com  Wed Nov 23 11:53:12 2011
From: greenflash at aol.com (Russ Slye)
Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2011 11:53:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate membership
Message-ID: <8CE7817859FE0B8-1990-181DB@Webmail-m124.sysops.aol.com>


Chapter 20, at its most recent meeting, voted as follows:

For Associate membership........1

Against Associate membership....8



Russ Slye/N3GT
Secretary Chapter 20

From w3tdf at ptd.net  Thu Nov 24 14:44:59 2011
From: w3tdf at ptd.net (Ray Bilger)
Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 14:44:59 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Ch.17 membership
Message-ID: <30997A165BB445139C079C2AC96F98E8@W3TDFPC>

My compliments to Pete, NL7XM, for his long, well thought out and sound reasoning.

When Chapter 17 was first formed, with about 50 members, way back in 1988, I became the
Secretary/Treasurer. Those charter members voted to have me write the Constitution and
By-Laws. After various dixcussions regarding the content thereof I subsequently submitted
it to the body at which time it was ratified.  Under Membership there was a Section which
provided for an Associate Membership category.  Later a copy of said C&BL was sent to the
then General Manager, who sent me a scathing letter, ordering the removal of said Section.

I don't recall any specific instruction that the C&BL had to be submitted to National for
approval. Maybe there is? BUT, The State of Pennsylvania, and every other State in this Union,
has it's own C&BL, and I'll wager the farm that the Federal Government had no say in its
content.

Since I am no longer President of Chapter 17, I am going to push for a re-write of our C&BL,
and if approved by the body, (not National), we will have an Associate Membership.  I know
from past conversations, there will be no oppoosition.  Will National insist that we cannot
do that?  Will National be happy with the loss of 30+ members dues going into the coffers?
Does National want to challenge Chapter 17.  So be it !  We'll just change the name to,
'Society Of Senior Hams' (SOSH).  Or, how about, 'Society Of Chapter Seventeen Assn' (SOCSA)?
We could even have a contest to come up with an appropriate name !

I am 87 years young, and I'm not so senile that I cannot change, or support change.  5 or 6 
years ago there was a small movement to change the Full Membership requirement be
reduced to 20 years. That failed, of course. Was it because the QCWA name would have
to be changed. After all Quarter Century means 25 years !  That movement was suggested
so that more hams could be eligible, SO MORE DUES  would insure the continuance of
the organization.  Apparently National has enough in the treasury, that our dues wouldn't be missed.

Sorry I'm so long winded.  We're in the 21st Century for over 10 years now. Let's get with it !

Fraternally,
Ray Bilger, W3TDF (The Grump)

From bartbridge at compuserve.com  Sat Nov 26 14:17:33 2011
From: bartbridge at compuserve.com (bartbridge at compuserve.com)
Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2011 14:17:33 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter #32
Message-ID: <8CE7A872EAC58E6-B80-42C5@angweb-usd003.sysops.aol.com>


At our regular November meeting associate membership was discussed with the following results.
Two members approve, two members disapprove and two members abstained.

Bart Bridge W2ZYQ, Secretary-Treasurer Chapter #32.

From howard at honeysw.com  Sun Nov 27 15:42:45 2011
From: howard at honeysw.com (Howard Honig)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:42:45 -0800
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members Vote
In-Reply-To: <CAF16A71.2A9D9%charles.mcconnell@comcast.net>
References: <CAF16A71.2A9D9%charles.mcconnell@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4ED2A0C5.6040601@honeysw.com>

Chapter #108, the Beaver State Chapter, votes with 66% of the membership voting:

Yes ------- 11
No --------  3

Howard, WB7OK
QCWA, Chapter #108
Secr/Treasurer


From wa8pxl at juno.com  Sun Nov 27 16:58:56 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 16:58:56 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members Vote
Message-ID: <20111127.165857.1384.0.WA8PXL@juno.com>

HI HOWARD,

PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WAS SO CONVINCING TO YOUR MEMBERSHIP.

I would like to know what an associate means. I would like to know the
benefits an associate would have versus those who actually qualify for
membership. Did you tell your membership the cost of an associate
membership? What name would your people like to have for their NON QCWA
group? Maybe a local radio club's name would make your people happy such
as The Beaver State Chapter of the former QCWA...??

Thanks for your input and please list all of the benefits and who would
get the cash if there was an associate membership.

73 Tad K3QC President of Chapter 196 
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:42:45 -0800 Howard Honig <howard at honeysw.com>
writes:
> Chapter #108, the Beaver State Chapter, votes with 66% of the 
> membership voting:
> 
> Yes ------- 11
> No --------  3
> 
> Howard, WB7OK
> QCWA, Chapter #108
> Secr/Treasurer
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From wa8pxl at juno.com  Sun Nov 27 18:32:02 2011
From: wa8pxl at juno.com (wa8pxl at juno.com)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:32:02 -0500
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associate Members Vote
Message-ID: <20111127.183205.1384.1.WA8PXL@juno.com>

HAS ANYONE THOUGHT OF MAKING A BUSINESS PLAN FOR ASSOCIATE MEMBERS? I say
nobody has ever thought about a business plan for associate members. Show
me wrong.

73 K3QC
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 12:42:45 -0800 Howard Honig <howard at honeysw.com>
writes:
> Chapter #108, the Beaver State Chapter, votes with 66% of the 
> membership voting:
> 
> Yes ------- 11
> No --------  3
> 
> Howard, WB7OK
> QCWA, Chapter #108
> Secr/Treasurer
> 
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From wb6bie at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 27 21:14:49 2011
From: wb6bie at yahoo.com (Aniceto Cumpian)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 18:14:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Associates
Message-ID: <1322446489.72666.YahooMailNeo@web125502.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?
We took a count at our November meeting concerning
allowing associates in QCWA and here are the results.
?
Yes:? 7
No:???1
Abstain:? 3
?
Chetto Cumpian WB6BIE
San Antonio TX Chapter 38
Secretary

From n5lul at clearwire.net  Sun Nov 27 23:27:08 2011
From: n5lul at clearwire.net (Brad Miskimen)
Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2011 22:27:08 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 141
Message-ID: <79D6580977EA4EE6AD79DBD81B9B8622@MAIN>

Wow!   I see lot's of BS streaming thu the air.

We were only to answer one simple question. YES_____  NO_____.

Chapter 141 YES_____   NO __5___

How hard is that to do?

 

Brad Miskimen- N5LUL

 

 

 


From wa4aw at juno.com  Tue Nov 29 17:45:02 2011
From: wa4aw at juno.com (wa4aw at juno.com)
Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:45:02 GMT
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 111 vote on National Associate Membership
Message-ID: <20111129.174502.27285.1@webmail09.vgs.untd.com>

 At our monthly luncheon today, we had a discussion on above subject. The vote taken afterwards was as follows: Yes- 12 No- 3 Abstain- 2  73, Jeff, WA4AW Chapter 111 Secretary      
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From ve7ef at shaw.ca  Wed Nov 30 16:28:23 2011
From: ve7ef at shaw.ca (VE7EF Ed Frazer)
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 13:28:23 -0800
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Dogwood Chapter 98 poll on Associate Member Issue
Message-ID: <002801ccafa6$fd613560$0401a8c0@B27FB1C401>


Gentlemen:
QCWA Chapter 98 conducted a poll of its members at our latest lunch meeting on November 26 on whether QCWA should consider an Associate membership category.  The vote was 8 YES, and 0 NO or abstentions. We believe that QCWA should encourage all interested hams to join QCWA in some associate manner with the expectation of full membership when qualified.
73 
Ed Frazer VE7EF
Secretary-Treasurer
QCWA Dogwood Chapter, #98
West Vancouver, BC  Canada
Tel: 604-921-6614
ve7ef at shaw.ca
------------------------

From k0gy at swbell.net  Thu Dec  1 16:23:19 2011
From: k0gy at swbell.net (George Yantis)
Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2011 15:23:19 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?
References: <D670C8A67A1F445A85C4FAF8BB7F0E1E@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <FA5F11C22EEF43969F61C94FDD6130E0@Radio>

At our lunch today I polled the members present regarding associate QCWA 
membership.

No votes totaled five.  Yes votes totaled zero.


George Yantis  K0GY
Secretary/Treasurer Mid-Continent Chapter 35



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
To: "QCWA - Hotlist" <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 2:01 PM
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] A change for QCWA?


Hi Everybody,

Our CPA has suggested we add the category of Associate Member in a an
attempt to increase our revenue.

I find this interesting as we also received a letter this week from Chapter
89 encouraging us to do the same thing (it's attached and included below for
those that don't have MS office)

Please poll your members and let me know how many are for having associate
members and how many are not.

I know some chapters don't meet every month, that's ok, send the information
when you have it.

We all know the reasons to have these members and the reasons to not have
them, all I want is numbers.

tnx es 73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA

The Chapter 89 letter:

QCWA,Inc
Chuck Walbridge
P.O. Box 3247
Framingham, MA 01705

Dear Chuck:

At the September meeting of Palmetto Chapter 89 QCWA, those present passed
the following resolution:

"In this era of declining membership, chapter 89 QCWA unanimously supports
and encourages QCWA national to add a category of QCWA membership to allow
Associate Members. These non-voting members would not have the requirement
of 25 years of licensure, but would support the QCWA national effort and
local QCWA chapters financially and by service."

Accordingly, as Secretary-Treasurer of Chapter 89, I am passing this
resolution to you for consideration.

Sincerely

<signed> James Hill

Secretary-Treasure, Chapter 89 QCWA





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From kmbauer0 at windstream.net  Sat Dec  3 23:41:32 2011
From: kmbauer0 at windstream.net (Kurt Bauer)
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2011 22:41:32 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 25 Informal Poll: QCWA Associate Member
Message-ID: <000001ccb23e$fff0f640$ffd2e2c0$@windstream.net>

Nebraska QCWA Chapter 25 conducted an informal email poll on whether QCWA
should have an Associate Membership besides the regular Full Membership
currently existing.  From 24 members contacted, the following are the
results:

 

   For: 7,      Against: 10        with one (1) respondent abstaining to
further consider the issue. 

 

 

Kurt Bauer, WB?AEA

Secretary Nebraska QCWA Chapter 25


From broske at hutchtel.net  Mon Dec  5 10:03:26 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:03:26 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Annual Report  -  ATTN Chapter Secretaries
Message-ID: <2F5A5495DF8441CFBF1F8CEC2715D5FE@BobsWeb>

Good Morning,

The QCWA "Annual Report" package will be arriving in your mail box with in the next 30 days or so.

This is one of 2 times a year you can find out who is current with their national dues (eligible to be a chapter member) and who is not.  The other is when the membership directory is posted on the website in July.

A few words about the email ids asked for on the report itself.   The only thing they are used for is so the President and Secretary can be included on this reflector.  If either of you do not want to be on this reflector, don't include an email id.  I do however encourage you to be a part of this group.  Also, please use a real email id and not an alias like callsign at arrl.net or callsign at rac.ca.  If you use an alias you will receive the messages but you will not be able to respond to them as you will not be subscribed as johnDoe at aol.com  

The membership list that's part of the package may not include all the members of your chapter.  There is only room in the HQ database for one chapter, we call it the home chapter.  The home chapter (usually the secretary) takes care of requesting whatever awards the member may be eligible for. This list also shows what awards have been issued and when they were issued. 

I belong to Chapters 8, 35, 120, 151 and 180.  Chapter 8 is my home and I am only listed with them.  For the members that are not on your list you can go to http://www.qcwa.org/member-dir.htm and see if they have a chapter listed.  If they don't, send Chuck an email at HQ asking they be listed as a member of your chapter.  If they have a different chapter listed you can ask them which chapter they want to use as their home chapter.  If you have members listed that are no longer members of your chapter ( moved, became an SK, quit paying the local dues) you can request they no longer be listed with your chapter.  A single email which has a list of new chapter members and a list of non members is sufficient.

Please return the single page "Annual Report" form, it's the only way HQ knows your chapter is still active.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask them on this reflector.  That's what it's for!

tnx es 73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA
Secretary Chapter 8


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From ws9p.cheryl at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  5 21:37:32 2011
From: ws9p.cheryl at yahoo.com (Cheryl Miller)
Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:37:32 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] annual report
Message-ID: <1323139052.9570.YahooMailNeo@web124907.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm rather new to QCWA and being the new secretary for chapter 162 in Racine, WI.? Where do I find the one page annual report to fill out?? Cheryl Miller WS9P

From broske at hutchtel.net  Tue Dec  6 11:48:03 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:48:03 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] annual report
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> The QCWA "Annual Report" package will be arriving in your mail box with in 
> the next 30 days or so.

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To: <QCWAHotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Monday, December 05, 2011 8:37 PM
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] annual report


I'm rather new to QCWA and being the new secretary for chapter 162 in 
Racine, WI. Where do I find the one page annual report to fill out? Cheryl 
Miller WS9P
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From Motoman1 at aol.com  Sun Dec 11 15:39:26 2011
From: Motoman1 at aol.com (Motoman1 at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:39:26 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist]  Straw Poll on Associate Member Issue
Message-ID: <f2ec.531ce408.3c166efe@aol.com>


The Barry M. Goldwater Arizona Chapter 16 covers the entire  state of 
Arizona.  We conduct meetings in three areas, Prescott, Phoenix  and Tucson in 
order to give all of our members an opportunity to attend a  meeting in close 
proximity to them.  In an effort to secure the largest  possible response 
from our diversely located membership we solicited a response  to the 
"Associate Member" issue in our Winter News Letter, which also included a  brief 
description about the issue.  No responses were  received. 
 
At our December 10, 2011 meeting of Chapter 16 in  Phoenix we took a straw 
poll of the voting members on the "Associate  Member" issue.  The voting 
members stated that their vote was not whether  we should have "Associate 
Members" or not, but rather whether QCWA National  should revisit the concept of 
having "Associate Members" and in doing so  determine the detailed criteria 
associated with the addition of this new member  class..
 
The results were as Follows:
 
Yes          3    revisit  concept of having Associate Members
No          9    do  not  revisit concept of having Associate Members
abstain   0
 
73,
Doug Besemer K0VPL  President

From Lwcannon at swbell.net  Sun Dec 11 21:19:50 2011
From: Lwcannon at swbell.net (Larry Cannon)
Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:19:50 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Chapter 79 poll results
Message-ID: <94EB80A5E9DD4B468DBB13CC35C6C25C@LarrySR1311NX>

Chapter _79__ Sunflower, Wichita, KS area.  Poll results.

Should QCWA National have associate members? __6__ Yes  __5__ No  

Eleven responses from 16 members polled.

73,

Larry Cannon,  K?SFV
President, QCWA Chapter 79


From broske at hutchtel.net  Mon Dec 12 22:03:11 2011
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 21:03:11 -0600
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] Fw: Mike Baxter, KA0XTT
Message-ID: <934724B1724343F98F1C297DE2F4DA1A@BobsWeb>

FYI,  Check out this latest promotion for Ham Radio.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
President QCWA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Roske 
To: QCWA General Manager
Cc: QCWA Board of Directors 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:59 PM
Subject: Mike Baxter, KA0XTT


The comedian Tim Allan is playing, Mike Baxter, KA0XTT in Last Man Standing, an ABC comedy airing at 8 PM (EST) on Tuesday nights.

http://www.arrl.org/news/view/em-ham-radio-in-hollywood-em-comedian-tim-allen-stars-as-radio-amateur-on-new-tv-show

Enlarge the pictures at the bottom of the page for views of the shack!

There is a ton of ARRL memorabilia displayed.  Max needs a QCWA Presidential Award for "Contributing to the Awareness of Ham Radio." to hang on his wall.

Chuck, please send the award to the producer of Last Man Standing.

John Amodeo, NN6JA
12210 Addison St
Valley Village,  CA  91607

tnx es 73,
Bob, N0UF


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From djarnold63 at aol.com  Wed Dec 14 18:02:20 2011
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Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 18:02:20 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Associate Members
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To Bob and interested QCWA members -
 
At our recent Chapter 219 meeting, which was held in conjunction with the Fox Cities Amateur Radio Club's Swapfest, and with a subsequent phone poll, our tally is:  12 disapprovals and 5 approvals for the implementation of an associate membership category for QCWA.
 
That being said, here are my personal comments:
 
About ten years ago I wrote to National QCWA proposing an associate membership category, with this criteria: recent time as a licensed ham, plus one fourth (a quarter) of the person's age would equal 25.  To mention a few supportive ideas:
     A. The significant number "25" ("Quarter Century. . .") is still retained.
     B. The person has a definate amount of "life experience."
     C. A legitimate amount of time as an amateur has been accrued.
     D. To those in a QCWA ivory tower:  QCWA currently allows a person that received a novice license
          at age 8, never went on the air, let the license expire, and now at age 33 with a new license, (but
          still not on the air) to be a member of QCWA!!
     E. In our local (non-QCWA) ham club, we have a number of hams that received their license later in 
          life.  They have 15 or more years of active hamming and are over 60 years old.  They would like to be
          associated with  QCWA.  LET'S DO IT!
     F. After I proposed the Ham Time plus 1/4th the person's age = 25 plan to our group more were in favor of 
          the associate category.
     G. Associates (regular member wannabes) would pay the $25.00 per year, receive The QCWA Journal,
          but would not be allowed to vote.  Perhaps other restrictions would make sense also.
     H. A possibility: One or two pages of the Journal could be available for associate input.  This is not
          without precedence as many organizations have that type of input and accommodation.
 
I hope that all QCWA members will consider this proposal as a possible solution to the situation.  It is a win-win outcome for everyone except die-hards who resist change.  Change is in order if we want to remain a vital and viable organization supporting--by our balance of age and experience--the service and sport of amateur radio. 
 

I trust that you understand that numbers only are not adequate for making such a monumental decision; but it is the first step of the process. Tad K3QC's questions are significant. Please consider publishing in the Journal the best e-mails/letters you have received on the subject of associate membership. 
 

 73 
Dave Arnold W8DXX
President, Chapter 219
Century Club Member
 
 





