From TwelveVDC at aol.com  Fri Nov  2 19:37:37 2012
From: TwelveVDC at aol.com (Pete)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:37:37 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
Message-ID: <2D4CDFC3-6A02-4C0D-A02A-7018C167B8D8@aol.com>

Tim Allen's (Mike Baxter) / KA?XTT "Last Man Standing" first episode of the new season starts tonight at 8:00 on ABC.

;-D

-NL7XM














From broske at hutchtel.net  Fri Nov  2 19:39:52 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 18:39:52 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
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Mike,  KA?XTT is a member of QCWA!

73,
Bob N0UF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete" <TwelveVDC at aol.com>
To: "QCWA List" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight


> Tim Allen's (Mike Baxter) / KA?XTT "Last Man Standing" first episode of 
> the new season starts tonight at 8:00 on ABC.
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From ad7gr at live.com  Fri Nov  2 20:05:18 2012
From: ad7gr at live.com (Ed - ad7gr)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 17:05:18 -0700
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
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Bob,

How can that happen?   A QRZ.com search responded with:
"The search for "KA?XTT" produced no results.
KA?XTT does not appear to be a valid callsign."

Hollywood fiction? or just not in the QRZ.com database... ?

Have a nice weekend... 73,
Ed

AD7GR - qcwa 32628
www.edlinko.net
jn3.16 | rev14.6-12

On 11/2/2012 4:39 PM, Bob Roske wrote:
> Mike,  KA?XTT is a member of QCWA!
>
> 73,
> Bob N0UF
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Pete" <TwelveVDC at aol.com>
> To: "QCWA List" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
> Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
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>> Tim Allen's (Mike Baxter) / KA?XTT "Last Man Standing" first episode of
>> the new season starts tonight at 8:00 on ABC.
>>
>> ;-D
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>> -NL7XM
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From newsline at ix.netcom.com  Fri Nov  2 20:08:53 2012
From: newsline at ix.netcom.com (William Pasternak)
Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2012 17:08:53 -0700
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
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The call KA0XTT is not real.  Its a Hollywood 
play on words and an in-joke.  The suffix XTT 
stands for eX-Tim-Taylor -- the role that Tim 
Allen played on the sitcon Home Improvement.

73 from Hollywood.



At 05:05 PM 11/2/2012, Ed - ad7gr wrote:
>Bob,
>
>How can that happen?   A QRZ.com search responded with:
>"The search for "KA?XTT" produced no results.
>KA?XTT does not appear to be a valid callsign."
>
>Hollywood fiction? or just not in the QRZ.com database... ?
>
>Have a nice weekend... 73,
>Ed
>
>AD7GR - qcwa 32628
>www.edlinko.net
>jn3.16 | rev14.6-12
>
>On 11/2/2012 4:39 PM, Bob Roske wrote:
> > Mike,  KA?XTT is a member of QCWA!
> >
> > 73,
> > Bob N0UF
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pete" <TwelveVDC at aol.com>
> > To: "QCWA List" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
> > Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
> >
> >
> >> Tim Allen's (Mike Baxter) / KA?XTT "Last Man Standing" first episode of
> >> the new season starts tonight at 8:00 on ABC.
> >>
> >> ;-D
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> >> -NL7XM
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Fri Nov  2 20:26:17 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 19:26:17 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
In-Reply-To: <25EEFDA2-F0CD-46BF-9752-FF0A5818C310@aol.com>
References: <2D4CDFC3-6A02-4C0D-A02A-7018C167B8D8@aol.com>
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The shows producer, NN6JA, John Amodeo who is also a Ham and a QCWA member.

Coincidently, John and Mike have the same QCWA # 36965

extract from 
http://www.arrl.org/news/em-ham-radio-in-hollywood-em-comedian-tim-allen-stars-as-radio-amateur-on-new-tv-show
And because we?ve had so much talk about Amateur Radio here on the show, a 
few of my production assistants took their Technician exam.? Amodeo applied 
to be an ARRL Volunteer Examiner so he could help administer the exams. On 
October 6, Amodeo and two other ARRL VEs administered the Technician exam to 
seven prospective hams. All seven passed, with two making perfect scores.

73,
Bob N0UF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Pete" <TwelveVDC at aol.com>
To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] TV Tonight


> Who sponsored him?
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> On Nov 2, 2012, at 7:39 PM, "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net> wrote:
>
>> Mike,  KA?XTT is a member of QCWA!
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>> 73,
>> Bob N0UF
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Pete" <TwelveVDC at aol.com>
>> To: "QCWA List" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2012 6:37 PM
>> Subject: [QCWA] TV Tonight
>>
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>>> Tim Allen's (Mike Baxter) / KA?XTT "Last Man Standing" first episode of
>>> the new season starts tonight at 8:00 on ABC.
>>>
>>> ;-D
>>>
>>> -NL7XM
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From jdangus at att.net  Sun Nov  4 01:07:00 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sun, 04 Nov 2012 01:07:00 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Alternative energy requirements.
Message-ID: <50960604.90200@att.net>

I have an Empire 15 KW generator set. It is powered by a
Wisconsin VF-4D 25 HP gasoline engine.

Roughly it will consume $400 of regular gasoline running
8 hours a day for a month, compared to $120 from TXU
for the utility power.

That's also roughly 23 five gallon cans of gasoline.

The Honda EX4500S will consume about 1/3 of that over the
same time period.

$130 worth of fuel and about eight cans of gasoline.

There are two things to consider in sizing alternate energy:
1. Peak Demand
I.e., the HVAC, one or both at the same time along with any
other "have to have" loads.
2. Long Term Totals
i.e. Refrigerator, Freezer, security system and communications.

Generator sizing is based mostly on peak demand. So you
minimize that by running high power loads sequentially. For
example, AFTER the air conditioning has cooled off the house,
The you plug the refrigerator and freezer back in to cool off.
Then switch to the kitchen stuff, microwave, dishwasher etc.
Then finally lighting and entertainment for the night. ;-)

Solar, and wind, power on the other hand is limited by the
size of both the collection and storage capability.

As a conservative example, the HVAC. That's going to be
about 15 amps at 240 volts. 3600 watts and probably
closer to 4500 to handle the starting surge currents.
But the total is 7.2 KWH for running one then the other
for an hour apiece to cool down the house. If you only
have 10 KWH of storage, well, you've just used that up.
And if you've only got 5 KWH of collection, you get to
pick which end of the house gets cooled off.

The other thing to consider if "full time loads" that will
add up. Such as the phone switch, network routers, and
the security cameras and alarm system. While they may
only total up to 500 watts, the "over time" requirement
is 12 KWH for a 24 hour period.

If you figure 8 hours of collection time, that translates to
almost  (12 + 7.2)/8 or 2.5 KW collection capability and
20 KW storage capability.

This doesn't include anything else like the refrigerator,
freezer, lighting, computers, printers and all the chargers
to keep all the portable stuff running.

Additionally, you'll have to consider things like the washer
and drier, garage door opener and any other things like
the microwave and toaster ovens.

Also, you have to consider the inverter power capability.
Even if you have 20 KWH of storage, you will need at least
a 10-15 KW inverter to run the HVAC stuff for two hours.

Lastly, a final consideration is what happens on cloudy or
overcast days when the collection ability is reduced?

The good news is that if the utility company has given you
a "smart" meter, you should be able to get a "usage" chart
from them showing not only your total usage but your
peak usage per day as well. That will make the calculations
a lot easier to figure out.

The other question is "Do I want enough power to run the
house completely?" or "Do I want to just reduce my cost
at the end of the month?"

In my case, due to extremely limited funding, I would have
to go with "Do it yourself" system cobbled together on an
"as I can acquire the pieces" basis and rely on the generator
for peak loads, such as the HVAC system. And just hope
for a reduction in my monthly bills.

Hope this bit of insight helps with deciding what you want
or need for alternative energy.

Jeff
wa6fwi-1.0






From wa8ycd at hotmail.com  Sat Nov  3 14:13:44 2012
From: wa8ycd at hotmail.com (Bob West)
Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2012 14:13:44 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Digest, Vol 103, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.23.1351958463.30037.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.23.1351958463.30037.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <BAY162-W25B3DFF064948CFC89ABB9F660@phx.gbl>


The "?" is either a typo or a "wild card" -- Check KA0XTT. The setting of
the show is Colorado, 0-land. They got "special dispensation" to use that
call sign. "XTT" alludes to "ex-Tim Taylor", owing to the star's previous sitcom.

Cheers,
...Bob West WA8YCD

This is YOUR State Amateur Radio Convention! Attend! Participate! Represent your
local club! August 17, 2013, the 55th West Virginia State Amateur Radio Convention
at Jackson's Mill Conference Center, Weston West Virginia.


 		 	   		  

From mike at mikesturm.com  Sun Nov  4 21:10:07 2012
From: mike at mikesturm.com (Mike Sturm)
Date: Sun, 4 Nov 2012 21:10:07 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Fuel on Interstate 95?
Message-ID: <7257704120cb42df7b98ea23b4ec2df5.squirrel@webmail3.web.com>

Does anyone know if fuel is easily available on I95 south around Delaware,
Maryland and Virginia?

Many thanks.

Mike, KA2E - in now famous Staten Island.




From WA2ARS at aol.com  Mon Nov  5 11:09:08 2012
From: WA2ARS at aol.com (WA2ARS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 11:09:08 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Meeting Thursday November
	8th
Message-ID: <26b73.79196e6.3dc93ea4@aol.com>

 
Citrus Chapter #45 Orlando FL.  will  be meeting 1:30PM-3:30PM Thursday 
November 8th, at the  Golden  Corral, 5535 S.Kirkman Rd.Orlando Fl.32819.  

Take I-4  West toward Tampa,to Exit 75B  merge onto 435 N/S Kirkman Rd.
Golden  Corral is on  right.
OR
West Colonial Hwy 50 to Kirkman Rd   (Hwy435)5.2 miles U-Turn Major 
Blvd.Golden Corral on right.


Anyone in  the area is welcome and  encouraged to attend. YLs and XYLs are 
also  welcome.

Please attend if you  can.

Mort Cohen  WA2ARS
Treasurer, QCWA Citrus Ch.#45

EMail  _WA2ARS at aol.com_ (mailto:WA2ARS at aol.com) 

From wa9vrh at wildblue.net  Tue Nov  6 18:16:56 2012
From: wa9vrh at wildblue.net (wa9vrh)
Date: Tue, 06 Nov 2012 17:16:56 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] First Wednesday CCA AM Night Nov. 7th!!
Message-ID: <50999A68.8070309@wildblue.net>

FIRST WEDNESDAY AM NIGHT!!!
Sponsored by the Collins Collectors Association.
Please see TIME changes below!!

Wednesday November 6th on 3880 kcs ( + or - 10kcs.) at 7:00 PM local 
Eastern Standard Time
marks the start of the latest chapter of First Wednesday AM Night, 
drawing hundreds of vintage stations
from across the country.

We encourage stations to check-in on AM using Collins and other AM
transmitters, new and old.  It's an opportunity to revel in this 
nostalgic mode, enjoy giving
vintage equipment a "run," and sharing some storytelling about classic 
vacuum tube homebrew and
commercial designs. Typically more than a hundred stations take part in 
the evening's
coast-to-coast AM event; by the time it concludes.

Anchor stations at their discression will attempt to ask for low power 
(100 watts or less)
during their time slot. PLEASE respect their request!

LISTEN for the following anchors and stop by to say hello, won't you? You
don't have to be running Collins or vintage gear to be welcomed into the 
group.

Bob W0YVA from 7:00 pm to 8:00 pm LCL Eastern Standard Time

Jim W0NKL from 7:00 pm - 9:00 pm LCL Central Standard Time

Jim K0OJ steps in at 8:00 pm to 9:00 pm Mountain Standard Time

From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Sat Nov 10 04:06:47 2012
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 04:06:47 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
Message-ID: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>

RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA

Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to 
others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine 
gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long 
time, John.  Hello again.)

This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my 
fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my 
thoughts.

As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for 
the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was 
more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and 
understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you, 
Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight, 
as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national 
governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to) 
are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was 
to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a 
lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by 
myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years, 
before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The 
ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the 
decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our 
Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other 
organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.

Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the 
very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the 
decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these 
conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast 
majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the 
way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current 
technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an 
amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to 
keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view, 
coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members 
have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an 
evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your 
point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all. 
Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even 
so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors 
you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that 
QCWA faces today.

Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000 
'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay 
dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of 
QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound 
business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were 
deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member 
program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no 
income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations -- 
the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as 
we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by 
those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most 
expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print 
Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but 
basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA 
members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the 
print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices, 
have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.

Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who 
have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard 
indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could 
be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on 
serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the 
responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We 
have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the 
continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational 
status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of 
these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be 
balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward 
extinction.

If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to 
these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even 
to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But 
our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will 
have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the 
inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL 
JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our 
Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping 
their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in 
some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA 
is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors, 
together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the 
organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility 
in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will 
have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide 
members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine 
organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become 
active supporters of that organization.

We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of 
the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization. 
If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the 
organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others 
will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President 
Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers 
and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers 
providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing 
this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point -- 
without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may 
prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization 
which we have known and loved for so long.

I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I 
want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many 
others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to 
become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur 
radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive 
strategies that will help us to survive.

Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support 
toward rebuilding QCWA.

Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.

From broske at hutchtel.net  Sat Nov 10 08:07:08 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:07:08 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
Message-ID: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>

I've read many reasons for the Journal going Digital, they are all valid.

I've read many reasons why this isn't necessarily a good thing, they are all valid too.

I've even seen a little finger pointing, which isn't good but hardly avoidable.

At the vey core of this issue are several truths:
The Board of Directors was elected to run the business of QCWA, and they are!  If you don't like the decisions they make you are more than welcome to seek election in 2014.
It cost more money to print and ship the Journal than it use to.  The cost has increased every quarter for the past several years.
Not all of our members have access to a computer.

What's to be done?  This is a excerpt of the email I sent to Chapter 8 this morning:
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
QCWA will not be printing the Journal any more. For the active members, it will be a available as a monthly digital magazine on the Members Webpage at www.qcwa.org/members.  

We have 2 members that don't have computers or email addresses. Both have been licensed over 75 years. They are W0DKL, Ben Miller and W0KZD, Josh Premack.

Does anyone know a printing company that we could email the journal PDF file to so they could print and mail the Journals to these members?

Please get back to me with the company name, contact information and prices.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Chapter 8 has 40 members, I suspect(hope) we will pick up the cost of printing and mailing for these two Life Members.  The first step will be to find a local printer.

This might be a service offered by your chapter for your members with the member paying the printing and shipping cost.  This service might be a way to increase chapter membership.  There are many possibilities.

Good Luck to the BoD as they venture forth into this new way of doing business.

Good luck to us all!

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Chapter 8 Secretary
Past President (08-12)

From jdangus at att.net  Sat Nov 10 08:14:30 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:14:30 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <509E5336.8070706@att.net>

On 11/10/2012 3:06 AM, Vic Culver wrote:
> RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA
Vic, thank you for being one of those that actually saw
what was gong to happen if nothing was done.

Wishful thinking and denial are usually the two things
listed on the "Coroner's Report" when an organization
leaves nothing more than a chalk outline behind.

As one of those Life members, I'd like to put my
money where my mouth is. Despite being a lifer,
I am willing to pay a maintenance fee every year.

73
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From jdangus at att.net  Sat Nov 10 08:32:02 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:32:02 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
In-Reply-To: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>
References: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <509E5752.7020508@att.net>

On 11/10/2012 7:07 AM, Bob Roske wrote:
> We have 2 members that don't have computers or
> email addresses.
>
> Does anyone know a printing company that we could
> email the journal PDF file to so they could print
> and mail the Journals to these members?
Just about ANY printing/office support store has this capability.
Kinko's comes to mind as a nationwide chain. And I suspect
Staples, Office Depot and the like as well.

Even out here in the middle of nothing, Ranger TX, we have
Brian's Automotive, which also runs a computer store and
graphic arts/printing business by the owner in the same
building.

Myself? I have laser printers because of the cost of ink has
gotten unreasonable for the ink jet printing. It's NOT all that
inconceivable for me to run a limited quantity of the Journal
for a few of the Luddites in my area. (And my choice of terms
is tongue in cheek Bob, no disrespect to those who fail to
see the necessity of 24 hour access to the "net".)

As a "what if?" scenario, suppose it would cost me $5/month
for printing and postage. Why shouldn't I be glad to pay that
for a couple of hams that have managed to stay on the air for
75 years? Elmering isn't limited to getting the new guys a
license.

73
Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From wa9jmo at wi.net  Sat Nov 10 11:52:53 2012
From: wa9jmo at wi.net (wa9jmo at wi.net)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 10:52:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <50011.71.3.243.68.1352566373.squirrel@wm.wi.net>

Thanks Vic,

For taking the time and effort to respond to questions I am sure many of
our members have as we move toward 2013 and the future of QCWA.

The board has implmented a number of needed changes to keep us going, and
most if not all should prove in the future to have a positive effect on
our organization.

With the need of a computer to read our soon to be monthly Journal, could
be viewed as another positive possibility; the need for our older Ham to
perhaps interact a litte more with their children and grandchildren.

What grandchild would not delight in helping their grandparent view the
wonderment that cyber space has to offer all that wish to view it. And
most of the younsgsters have access to Ipads, notebooks and other portable
devises that would make the reading of our monthly journal fairly easy.

And who knows? Maybe the older Ham might want to venture into other
avenues of the Internet - viewing pictures sent by loved ones in real
time.

Enjoy the rest of your weekend where ever you may be.

73,

Larry McCalvy
WA9JMO
Vice-President QCWA


 RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA
>
> Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to
> others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine
> gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long
> time, John.  Hello again.)
>
> This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my
> fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my
> thoughts.
>
> As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for
> the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was
> more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and
> understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you,
> Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight,
> as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national
> governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to)
> are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was
> to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a
> lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by
> myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years,
> before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The
> ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the
> decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our
> Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other
> organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.
>
> Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the
> very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the
> decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these
> conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast
> majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the
> way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current
> technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an
> amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to
> keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view,
> coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members
> have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an
> evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your
> point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all.
> Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even
> so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors
> you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that
> QCWA faces today.
>
> Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000
> 'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay
> dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of
> QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound
> business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were
> deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member
> program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no
> income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations --
> the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as
> we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by
> those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most
> expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print
> Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but
> basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA
> members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the
> print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices,
> have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.
>
> Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who
> have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard
> indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could
> be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on
> serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the
> responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We
> have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the
> continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational
> status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of
> these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be
> balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward
> extinction.
>
> If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to
> these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even
> to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But
> our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will
> have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the
> inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL
> JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our
> Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping
> their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in
> some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA
> is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors,
> together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the
> organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility
> in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will
> have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide
> members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine
> organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become
> active supporters of that organization.
>
> We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of
> the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization.
> If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the
> organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others
> will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President
> Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers
> and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers
> providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing
> this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point --
> without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may
> prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization
> which we have known and loved for so long.
>
> I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I
> want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many
> others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to
> become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur
> radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive
> strategies that will help us to survive.
>
> Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support
> toward rebuilding QCWA.
>
> Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>



From broske at hutchtel.net  Sat Nov 10 14:57:31 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:57:31 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] Reflextor 101
In-Reply-To: <pgat98tt04qbj2473un3hgcu8678i2dd3s@4ax.com>
References: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>
	<pgat98tt04qbj2473un3hgcu8678i2dd3s@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <19DF0AEF3A0F4AD8B753AAA55BB0EF7F@BobsWeb>

When responding to a reflector you do not need to add the email of the 
person that posted the message to start with, they will see everything 
everyone else does.

This is not the place for political or religious comment, even those 
included your signature.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Reflector Administrator 


From hehecht at gmail.com  Sat Nov 10 13:53:04 2012
From: hehecht at gmail.com (Howard Hecht)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:53:04 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <CAC1mRqotUJq-eCPfuKJkAey3HRkZs9rTLvpzE4wZXLpEbm0gAA@mail.gmail.com>

Vic and all,

i am a fairly new member of QCWA, and one of those who doesn't belong to a
chapter.

That said, I'm more than willing to help other members in my area (Iredell
County, NC and other areas nearby) who may not have a relative to help (an
excellent suggestion - Grampa/Gramma bonding with kids/grandkids/great
grandkids), by printing the journals and sending them to those who need
them.

Perhaps a database of willing volunteers to address this issue would be
helpful.

Kudos to those who made the hard decisions.  Wish that we had such
leadership in DC,.

73,
Howard  W1HO
QCWA # 35448

On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Vic Culver <vic.w4vic at verizon.net> wrote:

> RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA
>
> Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to
> others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine
> gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long
> time, John.  Hello again.)
>
> This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my
> fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my
> thoughts.
>
> As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for
> the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was
> more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and
> understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you,
> Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight,
> as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national
> governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to)
> are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was
> to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a
> lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by
> myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years,
> before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The
> ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the
> decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our
> Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other
> organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.
>
> Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the
> very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the
> decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these
> conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast
> majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the
> way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current
> technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an
> amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to
> keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view,
> coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members
> have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an
> evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your
> point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all.
> Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even
> so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors
> you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that
> QCWA faces today.
>
> Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000
> 'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay
> dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of
> QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound
> business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were
> deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member
> program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no
> income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations --
> the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as
> we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by
> those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most
> expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print
> Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but
> basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA
> members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the
> print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices,
> have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.
>
> Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who
> have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard
> indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could
> be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on
> serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the
> responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We
> have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the
> continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational
> status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of
> these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be
> balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward
> extinction.
>
> If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to
> these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even
> to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But
> our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will
> have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the
> inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL
> JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our
> Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping
> their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in
> some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA
> is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors,
> together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the
> organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility
> in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will
> have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide
> members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine
> organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become
> active supporters of that organization.
>
> We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of
> the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization.
> If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the
> organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others
> will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President
> Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers
> and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers
> providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing
> this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point --
> without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may
> prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization
> which we have known and loved for so long.
>
> I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I
> want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many
> others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to
> become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur
> radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive
> strategies that will help us to survive.
>
> Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support
> toward rebuilding QCWA.
>
> Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>
> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>

From n5ge at n5ge.com  Sat Nov 10 14:44:54 2012
From: n5ge at n5ge.com (n5ge at n5ge.com)
Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:44:54 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
In-Reply-To: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>
References: <5A6E1C0FBEA6489681551F4423779163@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <pgat98tt04qbj2473un3hgcu8678i2dd3s@4ax.com>


Gentlemen and Ladies,

My suggestion to Chapter 8 is for one or more of the members who have
computers and printers print a few copies for the members who cannot
afford or do not wish to have computers and distribute them at the
chapter meetings or mail them to members who cannot attend the
meetings due to illness or disability.

Our nation is experiencing hard times.  Perhaps we should by
personally helping those in need instead of the alternative which we
have been supporting to or detriment.

Now my comment about chapter meetings:

The chapter I belong to is a "repeater" chapter.  Probably only 2 or
3 of the members are even interested in HF operation.  Most of them
are interested in launching and chasing balloons.

None of the things mentioned above are bad things, and in the spirit
of our hobby they meet the needs of those who enjoy them, as it
should be, but I rarely attend chapter meetings because I am not
interested in that segment of amateur radio.

This is not a complaint, it is a statement to describe why I don't
attend chapter meetings.

I too would be willing to pay a reasonable maintenance fee to help
support QCWA, but I would like to see a portion of that fee be placed
in some kind of interest bearing account.

Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
ARRL Lifetime Member
QCWA Lifetime Member

"Farmers rotate crops to keep their land strong.
Voters can keep THEIR LAND STRONG by rotating 
politicians at the ballot box each term."
-- Otis Mukinfus -- 
http://www.otismukinfus.com


On Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:07:08 -0600, "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
wrote:

>I've read many reasons for the Journal going Digital, they are all valid.
>
>I've read many reasons why this isn't necessarily a good thing, they are all valid too.
>
>I've even seen a little finger pointing, which isn't good but hardly avoidable.
>
>At the vey core of this issue are several truths:
>The Board of Directors was elected to run the business of QCWA, and they are!  If you don't like the decisions they make you are more than welcome to seek election in 2014.
>It cost more money to print and ship the Journal than it use to.  The cost has increased every quarter for the past several years.
>Not all of our members have access to a computer.
>
>What's to be done?  This is a excerpt of the email I sent to Chapter 8 this morning:
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>QCWA will not be printing the Journal any more. For the active members, it will be a available as a monthly digital magazine on the Members Webpage at www.qcwa.org/members.  
>
>We have 2 members that don't have computers or email addresses. Both have been licensed over 75 years. They are W0DKL, Ben Miller and W0KZD, Josh Premack.
>
>Does anyone know a printing company that we could email the journal PDF file to so they could print and mail the Journals to these members?
>
>Please get back to me with the company name, contact information and prices.
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Chapter 8 has 40 members, I suspect(hope) we will pick up the cost of printing and mailing for these two Life Members.  The first step will be to find a local printer.
>
>This might be a service offered by your chapter for your members with the member paying the printing and shipping cost.  This service might be a way to increase chapter membership.  There are many possibilities.
>
>Good Luck to the BoD as they venture forth into this new way of doing business.
>
>Good luck to us all!
>
>73,
>Bob Roske, N?UF
>Chapter 8 Secretary
>Past President (08-12)
>______________________________________________________________
>QCWA mailing list
>Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
>Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>
>This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html


From wa9jmo at wi.net  Sun Nov 11 11:58:53 2012
From: wa9jmo at wi.net (wa9jmo at wi.net)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 10:58:53 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <CAC1mRqotUJq-eCPfuKJkAey3HRkZs9rTLvpzE4wZXLpEbm0gAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
	<CAC1mRqotUJq-eCPfuKJkAey3HRkZs9rTLvpzE4wZXLpEbm0gAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49782.71.3.243.68.1352653133.squirrel@wm.wi.net>

Thanks Howard for your response.

QCWA needs all of its members to be involved in how we run our organization.

Please keep being involved.

73,

Larry McCalvy,
WA9JMO




 Vic and all,
>
> i am a fairly new member of QCWA, and one of those who doesn't belong to a
> chapter.
>
> That said, I'm more than willing to help other members in my area (Iredell
> County, NC and other areas nearby) who may not have a relative to help (an
> excellent suggestion - Grampa/Gramma bonding with kids/grandkids/great
> grandkids), by printing the journals and sending them to those who need
> them.
>
> Perhaps a database of willing volunteers to address this issue would be
> helpful.
>
> Kudos to those who made the hard decisions.  Wish that we had such
> leadership in DC,.
>
> 73,
> Howard  W1HO
> QCWA # 35448
>
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:06 AM, Vic Culver <vic.w4vic at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA
>>
>> Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to
>> others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine
>> gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long
>> time, John.  Hello again.)
>>
>> This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my
>> fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my
>> thoughts.
>>
>> As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for
>> the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was
>> more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and
>> understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you,
>> Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight,
>> as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national
>> governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to)
>> are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was
>> to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a
>> lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by
>> myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years,
>> before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The
>> ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the
>> decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our
>> Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other
>> organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.
>>
>> Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the
>> very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the
>> decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these
>> conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast
>> majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the
>> way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current
>> technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an
>> amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to
>> keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view,
>> coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members
>> have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an
>> evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your
>> point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all.
>> Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even
>> so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors
>> you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that
>> QCWA faces today.
>>
>> Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000
>> 'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay
>> dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of
>> QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound
>> business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were
>> deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member
>> program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no
>> income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations --
>> the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as
>> we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by
>> those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most
>> expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print
>> Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but
>> basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA
>> members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the
>> print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices,
>> have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.
>>
>> Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who
>> have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard
>> indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could
>> be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on
>> serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the
>> responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We
>> have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the
>> continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational
>> status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of
>> these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be
>> balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward
>> extinction.
>>
>> If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to
>> these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even
>> to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But
>> our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will
>> have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the
>> inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL
>> JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our
>> Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping
>> their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in
>> some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA
>> is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors,
>> together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the
>> organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility
>> in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will
>> have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide
>> members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine
>> organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become
>> active supporters of that organization.
>>
>> We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of
>> the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization.
>> If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the
>> organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others
>> will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President
>> Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers
>> and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers
>> providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing
>> this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point --
>> without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may
>> prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization
>> which we have known and loved for so long.
>>
>> I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I
>> want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many
>> others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to
>> become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur
>> radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive
>> strategies that will help us to survive.
>>
>> Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support
>> toward rebuilding QCWA.
>>
>> Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.
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From w7wll at arrl.net  Sun Nov 11 14:03:06 2012
From: w7wll at arrl.net (Don Tucker)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:03:06 -0800
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <983154A7A57044809B0AE6D00F251853@Sue>

First, I want to thank all those in QCWA who have volunteered their services 
to keeping the organization going.

To date there have been a lot of good ideas presented regarding getting 
copies of the Journal to those unable to access it online. I'm sure that 
those without computers will be taken care of by someone in the organization 
and I thank them in advance.

Why one doesn't attend Chapter meetings probably results an a broad spectrum 
of answers. For myself, it is primarily family. We childsit for our 
granddaughters 3 children (great grandchildren) on weekends which is two of 
the days in her workweek. Unfortunately it is also when the Chapter meetings 
I belong to are held. Plus it is a good  one plus hours drive to get to the 
meeting spot (it is a good spot and the day/time works for the majority of 
the members). It is not a lack of interest on my part I assure you and I do 
try to attend when possible.

Volunteering in an organization requires not just the willingness but having 
the time. When one commits it must be done knowing that the effort will 
result in a quality result. Nothing worse than volunteers who don't do the 
job well, IMHO. Like a great number of the retired, I am deeply involved in 
volunteering with other organizations, most but not all, close to home. I 
committed to providing myself and my skills in doing the best job possible. 
I don't have time to do more and still have quality family time (or time to 
do some quality hamming!!!!). If there is something relatively simple I 
could do for the QCWA that would not take a lot of time but help, then let 
me know and we'll discuss it.

Next July will be my 59th year of being licensed (with the same call by the 
way), a little past the 25 years required for QCWA membership. Amateur radio 
is important to me. Because of the service/hobby, I was able to launch into 
a rewarding career. I have been fortunate to be able to help many others 
along the way, as I think it should be for all of us.

The big question is 'What does QCWA provide me (or other members)?". Each of 
us probably has differing answers. For me it is the fellowship of meeting 
with or reading about other long licensed amateur radio operators. I enjoy 
reading most of the Journal. I find articles touching on things that don't 
show up in other amateur radio magazines. Don't read all the Chapter reports 
but do some and skim others. Thanks to the authors who take the time to put 
these articles and reports together. I am glad to see a Scholarship program 
for young men and women. What better way to show the generosity of the 
senior amateur radio community and help new hams attain better futures.

I'd like to see the For Sale/Wanted column continue. Not to be used just for 
equipment but broader things as well. Perhaps requests for help on how to do 
something, etc.

To the Officers and Directors of QCWA, and to the members who make the 
organization possible, active and inactive participants, it takes everyone 
to keep an organization going. Some do more, some do less, some do nothing 
but pay dues. But all of you count, just like the taxpayers and voters in 
the great nation.

Don W7WLL




 ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Vic Culver" <vic.w4vic at verizon.net>
To: <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>; "QCWA" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:06 AM
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA


RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA

Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to
others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine
gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long
time, John.  Hello again.)

This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my
fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my
thoughts.

As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for
the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was
more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and
understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you,
Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight,
as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national
governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to)
are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was
to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a
lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by
myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years,
before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The
ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the
decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our
Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other
organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.

Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the
very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the
decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these
conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast
majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the
way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current
technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an
amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to
keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view,
coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members
have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an
evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your
point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all.
Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even
so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors
you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that
QCWA faces today.

Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000
'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay
dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of
QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound
business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were
deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member
program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no
income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations -- 
the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as
we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by
those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most
expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print
Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but
basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA
members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the
print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices,
have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.

Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who
have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard
indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could
be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on
serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the
responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We
have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the
continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational
status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of
these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be
balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward
extinction.

If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to
these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even
to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But
our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will
have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the
inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL
JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our
Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping
their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in
some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA
is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors,
together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the
organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility
in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will
have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide
members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine
organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become
active supporters of that organization.

We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of
the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization.
If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the
organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others
will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President
Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers
and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers
providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing
this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point -- 
without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may
prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization
which we have known and loved for so long.

I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I
want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many
others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to
become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur
radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive
strategies that will help us to survive.

Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support
toward rebuilding QCWA.

Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.



From broske at hutchtel.net  Sun Nov 11 15:07:35 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:07:35 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] Fw: QCWA Reflector Email IDs
Message-ID: <3AD86C72A77347A28DDDA7AF48197A46@BobsWeb>

I was asked again today why we hadn't gleaned the email ids from this reflector.  As you can read below, I spent some time gathering them this afternoon.

As I suspected, just over 1/2 of the 340+ subscribed individuals have call letters in their email id.

Of those: some of are not members, some of are old calls, some are already in the HQ database.  If this adds 100 new emails I'll be happy.

If you are a paid up member of QCWA and your email id doesn't contain your call or it contains your old call and you haven't received an email from me that includes your password.

Go to http://www.qcwa.org/contact-hq.php  enter the asked for information and put, 'please send me my password' in the comment field and hit continue.  Follow the on screen instructions.

You will receive your password during one of the weekend updates based on how quickly HQ can get the email ids entered in the member database.

gl es 73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Webmaster QCWA

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Bob Roske 
To: QCWA - GM Jim LaPorta, N1CC 
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 1:54 PM
Subject: QCWA Reflector Email IDs


Hi Jim,

I took just over an hour and a half this afternoon and pulled 180 email id off the reflector list.

These are email IDs that included a call sign or that had a call listed next to the entry.

Some of these are not members, some of these are old calls.  If the don't show up with the call letters listed, don't waste any time on them.

Send me back a list of the ones you don't have time to enter and I'll take care of them.  Don't bother letting me know about the rest, it would just be a waste of your time and mine.

73,
Bob

From ve6afo at cia.com  Sun Nov 11 15:38:16 2012
From: ve6afo at cia.com (ve6afo at cia.com)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:38:16 -0700
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA's Future & 12 Issues Of Digital Journal
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20121111081925.01cacf98@mail.3web.net>


From W8EK at flham.net  Sun Nov 11 15:56:32 2012
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 15:56:32 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Changes taking place in QCWA
Message-ID: <50A01100.9020902@flham.net>


Many of you are aware of some of the changes that are taking place in 
QCWA, but some are not.  The following is on the QCWA web site.  The 
same information will appear on the next issue of the Journal.



Changes in QCWA
By Ken Simpson, W8EK

Remember that song from years ago, ?The Times, They are a Changing?? 
For QCWA the times really are changing.  Many changes took place at 
the Board of Directors meeting in Reno on September 24.  The changes 
introduced then have now reached fruition, but more subtle changes are 
yet to come.

At the board meeting, your directors made some ?Tough Decisions?.  We 
had no choice.  We either made these tough decisions, or we went 
bankrupt.  It was that simple.  Your board made the decision to make 
QCWA a viable entity going forward, and to financially move QCWA into 
the black in 2013.

The four largest expenses for QCWA (from largest to smallest) is the 
cost of the Journal, the General Manager?s contract fee, the fee we 
paid our expensive MA CPA, and the editor?s fee.  The other expenses 
are small in comparison.  The board chose to eliminate the first three 
of these as much as possible.  The changes in the Journal will be 
addressed elsewhere, but I will discuss the others.

As you probably know, Jim LaPorta, N1CC, our present General Manager, 
chose not to renew his contract, which expires December 31, 2012.  The 
board had a choice of starting a search committee, or taking other 
bold steps.  The board chose the later.  We will be using all 
volunteers to handle the functions that have been handled by the 
General Manager, thus saving the organization the second largest 
expense in the budget.  We will be splitting the job into smaller 
pieces, in essence ?decentralizing? the General Manager?s position.

At this point, we will be dividing this position into six parts that 
are critical to the operation of QCWA.  We are fortunate that we have 
identified people to handle all of these positions.  They will take 
over by December 1, so that we can have a smooth transition.  The 
positions and people involved are as follows:
Executive Administrator ? Ken Simpson, W8EK
Executive Assistant ? Sue Simpson, N8AJU
Disbursement Administrator ? Roberta Cohen, WA2FRW
Certificate Custodian ? Vic Culver, W4VIC
Membership Supplies Coordinator ? Myron Cherry, K4YA
Membership Renewal Coordinator ? automated/Exec Admin/Exec Assist
The duties of these people will be outlined in January when the new 
monthly edition of the digital Journal will debut.

This also means that we will be closing the Texas headquarters and 
moving it to Florida.  Texas will close on November 15, and Florida 
will open about December 1.  There will be about two weeks, over the 
Thanksgiving holiday, when we will be in transition, while the truck 
moves our supplies from TX to FL.

Effective immediately, the address for QCWA is
8400 NW 115th Avenue
Ocala, FL  34482-1098

At the present time, the new FL QCWA phone number is (352) 425-1097. 
It is possible that this might change so that it ends in "QCWA". 
Watch the web page for more details.  We will also start using 
qcwa.org for e-mail.  My e-mail address will be ExecAdmin at qcwa.org.

The third expense is for our CPA.  We have had a CPA in MA that simply 
was not meeting our needs, especially considering the amount we were 
paying them.  The board chose to terminate the services of this CPA. 
As a result, we are looking for a volunteer CPA, probably from the 
ranks of QCWA members.  Ideally, we are looking for a retired or 
semi-retired CPA that is/has been licensed.  At this writing, this 
person has not been identified.  If you would like to volunteer, or 
possibly know someone that would fit this criteria, please contact us. 
  We are also looking for a volunteer lawyer.

The fourth expense is that of our editor.  This will be the only paid 
position that QCWA will have. Since we are moving from a quarterly 
Journal to a monthly Journal, it is only fair that this fee should 
increase.  All of the other new established positions will serve 
without compensation, and will be on a volunteer basis only.

With these changes, QCWA should save enough to finally put us back 
into a balanced budget for 2013, or even a small surplus, which has 
not been realized over the past several years. If you have questions, 
please let me know, and we will do our best to answer.


Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
E-mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org or W8EK at flham.net
QCWA Phone  (352) 425-1097










From W8EK at flham.net  Sun Nov 11 16:08:47 2012
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 16:08:47 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <983154A7A57044809B0AE6D00F251853@Sue>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net> <983154A7A57044809B0AE6D00F251853@Sue>
Message-ID: <50A013DF.8080900@flham.net>


Thanks, Don, for your comments and suggestions.

It certainly does take all of us working together to make QCWA the 
terrific organization that it is.

Thanks, 73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson, W8EK
QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097



Don Tucker wrote, On 11/11/2012 2:03 PM:
> First, I want to thank all those in QCWA who have volunteered their services
> to keeping the organization going.
>
> To date there have been a lot of good ideas presented regarding getting
> copies of the Journal to those unable to access it online. I'm sure that
> those without computers will be taken care of by someone in the organization
> and I thank them in advance.
>
> Why one doesn't attend Chapter meetings probably results an a broad spectrum
> of answers. For myself, it is primarily family. We childsit for our
> granddaughters 3 children (great grandchildren) on weekends which is two of
> the days in her workweek. Unfortunately it is also when the Chapter meetings
> I belong to are held. Plus it is a good  one plus hours drive to get to the
> meeting spot (it is a good spot and the day/time works for the majority of
> the members). It is not a lack of interest on my part I assure you and I do
> try to attend when possible.
>
> Volunteering in an organization requires not just the willingness but having
> the time. When one commits it must be done knowing that the effort will
> result in a quality result. Nothing worse than volunteers who don't do the
> job well, IMHO. Like a great number of the retired, I am deeply involved in
> volunteering with other organizations, most but not all, close to home. I
> committed to providing myself and my skills in doing the best job possible.
> I don't have time to do more and still have quality family time (or time to
> do some quality hamming!!!!). If there is something relatively simple I
> could do for the QCWA that would not take a lot of time but help, then let
> me know and we'll discuss it.
>
> Next July will be my 59th year of being licensed (with the same call by the
> way), a little past the 25 years required for QCWA membership. Amateur radio
> is important to me. Because of the service/hobby, I was able to launch into
> a rewarding career. I have been fortunate to be able to help many others
> along the way, as I think it should be for all of us.
>
> The big question is 'What does QCWA provide me (or other members)?". Each of
> us probably has differing answers. For me it is the fellowship of meeting
> with or reading about other long licensed amateur radio operators. I enjoy
> reading most of the Journal. I find articles touching on things that don't
> show up in other amateur radio magazines. Don't read all the Chapter reports
> but do some and skim others. Thanks to the authors who take the time to put
> these articles and reports together. I am glad to see a Scholarship program
> for young men and women. What better way to show the generosity of the
> senior amateur radio community and help new hams attain better futures.
>
> I'd like to see the For Sale/Wanted column continue. Not to be used just for
> equipment but broader things as well. Perhaps requests for help on how to do
> something, etc.
>
> To the Officers and Directors of QCWA, and to the members who make the
> organization possible, active and inactive participants, it takes everyone
> to keep an organization going. Some do more, some do less, some do nothing
> but pay dues. But all of you count, just like the taxpayers and voters in
> the great nation.
>
> Don W7WLL
>
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Vic Culver"<vic.w4vic at verizon.net>
> To:<qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>; "QCWA"<qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10, 2012 1:06 AM
> Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
>
>
> RE:  Changes taking place in QCWA
>
> Open Letter to John Peters, K1ER, and to Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA, and to
> others who align themselves with the thinking expressed by these fine
> gentlemen.  (Hi, John -- Vic here (W4VIC, ex-K4JNM!!) Been a long, long
> time, John.  Hello again.)
>
> This response to you gentlemen is my own work, not 'authorized' by my
> fellow QCWA Officers and Directors, but whom, I believe, all share my
> thoughts.
>
> As an Officer in QCWA I suppose I'm about as responsible as anyone for
> the present status of QCWA as an organization, although I was
> more-or-less dragged, kicking and screaming, to my present reality and
> understandings.  I fought long and hard (yes, long -- thechanges you,
> Dale, and many others are concerned about did not come about overnight,
> as it must seem to so many who have been so far removed from national
> governance in QCWA for so long).  The changes you see (and object to)
> are truly the only possible alternatives available to us if QCWA is/was
> to survive past the end of this year, or possibly next year).  It took a
> lot of involvement in several different aspects of the organization by
> myself, as a member of different Standing Committees over several years,
> before the realization of the present hard reality hit home.  The
> ultimate choice, unadorned by wishful thinking, was to make the
> decisions taken, or to declare QCWA to be bankruptand to turn over our
> Scholarship Program (which itself is very healthy) tosome other
> organization, and cease to be the Quarter Century Wireless Association.
>
> Those conditions that have brought us to this present impasse are the
> very factors you cite as reasons why we should not have taken the
> decisions we have taken to keep QCWA alive.  You have cited these
> conditions in your messages:  The lack of participation by the vast
> majority of our members, beyond those few who are currently paying the
> way for our operations; the failure of our membership to embrace current
> technologies, including the ability to fulfill the basic function of an
> amateur radio operator -- to maintain a station and get on the air; to
> keep up with technology (both you and Dale have expressed the view,
> coincident with our own knowledge, that not many of our older members
> have, or even care to have, a computer that would give them access to an
> evolving QCWA organization, let alone to the modern world); and your
> point that not many of the Chapters appear to be doing anything at all.
> Too many members wear their badges only as a sign of longevity, and even
> so, not many are interested even in attending meetings. These factors
> you have identified are probably the root causes of the problems that
> QCWA faces today.
>
> Let's look at some very rough numbers -- QCWA currently has about 6,000
> 'members', about 4,000 of them Life Members. Life Members do not pay
> dues to support the Journal, or any other aspect of the operation of
> QCWA.  Because of historical decisions that were not at all sound
> business practices, the 'dues' paid by Life Member applicants were
> deposited into the operating account of QCWA since the Life Member
> program was begun.  There was no interest bearing account created, so no
> income from those Life Member dues help to support current operations --
> the dues money was all spent to cover ever increasing operating costs as
> we went along. Thus, there was no provision for continued support by
> those members to the large costs of QCWA operations, by far the most
> expensive of which is the cost of preparing and mailing the print
> Journal.  We have (all too belatedly) fixed that situation, but
> basically today you have 2,000 members supporting all 6,000 QCWA
> members.  It is not rocket science to see that the crushing cost of the
> print Journal, exacerbated by the historical poor accounting practices,
> have finally brought QCWA to the brink of extinction.
>
> Rescuing QCWA has not been an easy proposition. There are many of us who
> have accepted leadership positions in QCWA who are working very hard
> indeed to save the organization. We have eliminated all costs that could
> be eliminated, and the Board of Directors, each one of us, have taken on
> serious work loads and are working long hours to fulfill the
> responsibilities contingent upon operating QCWA as a going concern.  We
> have implemented sound accounting principles to provide for the
> continued operation of QCWA, albeit as a quite different operational
> status than that with which our members are familiar. As a result of
> these actions taken, it is just possible that our 2013 Budget will be
> balanced!  The large annual deficitsmay well be on the way toward
> extinction.
>
> If we are to succeed, then our members are going to have to adapt to
> these present realities.  We do not wish to make it impossible, or even
> to make it difficult, for anyone to remain in the QCWA organization. But
> our members are going to have to meet us half-way! Those who can will
> have to pick up some new skills, learn to operate the most basic of the
> inexpensive tablet computers so that they can read the TWELVE DIGITAL
> JOURNALS per year we will be providing -- not four, but TWELVE! Our
> Chapters are going to have to pick up some responsibility for helping
> their own Chapter members to acquire those skills, or to help them in
> some other way to stay connected to the organization. Membership in QCWA
> is a shared responsibility -- the Officers and the Board of Directors,
> together with other volunteers will provide the makings of the
> organization, and the Chapters will have to accept some responsibility
> in helping with the operations of the organization.  Our members will
> have to step up and become at least active enough to count as bona fide
> members.  If our members want to allow QCWA to continue as the fine
> organization we all want it to be, then they are going to have to become
> active supporters of that organization.
>
> We must have ACTIVE members, not the passive individuals who take OUT of
> the organization and put nothing, to very little INTO the organization.
> If your circumstances are such that you can only put enthusiasm into the
> organization by your membership, then we can live with that -- others
> will have to 'cover' for you.  With the hard work of your President
> Oelke, VE3AFO; Vice-President McCalvy, WA9JMO, and the other Officers
> and the Directors of the organization, together with volunteers
> providing vital service to QCWA, we should have success in accomplishing
> this rescue mission.  But the outcome is uncertain at this point --
> without the support and cooperation of our members, our efforts may
> prove to be too little, too late to save this magnificent organization
> which we have known and loved for so long.
>
> I cannot imagine my relationship to Amateur Radio without QCWA, nor do I
> want to think of that possibility. I pray that there are many, many
> others who share this sentiment, and who will step up and allow QCWA to
> become healthy once again, a vibrant leader among the other amateur
> radio organizations. Please redirect your thinking to the positive
> strategies that will help us to survive.
>
> Thank you for your contributions of positive ideas and for your support
> toward rebuilding QCWA.
>
> Sincerely, Vic Culver, W4VIC, Secretary, QCWA Inc.
>
>
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From kbills at yahoo.com  Sun Nov 11 17:00:15 2012
From: kbills at yahoo.com (Ken Bills)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 17:00:15 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Newsletter
Message-ID: <1975E780-923A-45F2-9592-3863634EB8F1@yahoo.com>

I for one support the whole online publication concept. While there may be many opposed, I must say it renders beautifully on my iPad and have it at the ready when traveling.

While we may all prefer things to be the way they were, sometimes it's necessary to move forward with the times and technology. 

Isn't that really where radio started in the early days.

73
Ken-W9KB

From w7wll at arrl.net  Sun Nov 11 17:11:27 2012
From: w7wll at arrl.net (Don Tucker)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 14:11:27 -0800
Subject: [QCWA] Newsletter
References: <1975E780-923A-45F2-9592-3863634EB8F1@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E93BF252D93341D69B967B28680E3AB3@Sue>

God Bless the United States of America (and don't forget the hallowed hollow 
state technology)

Don W7WLL
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Bills" <kbills at yahoo.com>
To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 2:00 PM
Subject: [QCWA] Newsletter


I for one support the whole online publication concept. While there may be 
many opposed, I must say it renders beautifully on my iPad and have it at 
the ready when traveling.

While we may all prefer things to be the way they were, sometimes it's 
necessary to move forward with the times and technology.

Isn't that really where radio started in the early days.

73
Ken-W9KB
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From jdangus at att.net  Sun Nov 11 19:08:57 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:08:57 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] An Open Letter in response to K1ER and WA9ENA
In-Reply-To: <983154A7A57044809B0AE6D00F251853@Sue>
References: <509E1927.4@verizon.net> <983154A7A57044809B0AE6D00F251853@Sue>
Message-ID: <50A03E19.5060003@att.net>

On 11/11/2012 1:03 PM, Don Tucker wrote:
> First, I want to thank all those in QCWA who have
> volunteered their services to keeping the
> organization going.
I'll second that.
> Nothing worse than volunteers who don't do the
> job well, IMHO.
As one who has dealt with that problem in organizations;
nothing I hate more than "I'll do that" and then they
completely forget about it until the next meeting.
> I'd like to see the For Sale/Wanted column
> continue. Not to be used just for equipment but
> broader things as well. Perhaps requests for
> help on how to do  something, etc.
Decidedly so. Definitely I'd like to see a help wanted
column as well. I'd also like to see a swap/trade list.
Instead of just a "See what I can sell" list.

We ALL know a "real ham" has a well stocked "junk
box." As just a bit of bragging here, my box has close
to 20 tons of stuff in it. It was a real pleasure to move
from Los Angeles to Central Texas. ;-) I've been helping
others with digging through the pile just to find some
thing they needed and giving it to them.

73
jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From kbills at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 12 07:48:22 2012
From: kbills at yahoo.com (Ken-W9KB)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 04:48:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA
Message-ID: <1352724502.4745.androidMobile@web82606.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

check this out http://msnbc.msn.com-id5.us/jobs/

From WA2ARS at aol.com  Mon Nov 12 11:35:02 2012
From: WA2ARS at aol.com (WA2ARS at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 11:35:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
Message-ID: <16deb.3cfecc43.3dd27f34@aol.com>


 
In a message dated 11/12/2012 11:34:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
WA2ARS at aol.com writes:

I've been reading everyone's comments-Digital vs. the printed page.
As the new National Treasurer I figured for what it's worth it's time for  
me to put my 02? worth in.
 
Ken Simpson and all the board members have said it like it is.
 It was either "Go Digital or Go Broke."
 
I know it's difficult but some of us are going to have to go kicking  and 
screaming from an Analog world into a Digital one.
 
OMG, I just realized I'm one of you-An Analog guy in a Digital  World.
 
Well I have a computer, a couple of them counting my wife Roberta's
(WA2FRW)
My HF rig is a Icom 746Pro & my 2mtr-440 rig is D-Star.
Woe is me, how will I ever learn all this stuff.
All I can say is it wasn't easy.
 
Mort-WA2ARS
Treasurer Ch#45,member Ch#62 
National Treasurer 
  and still an analog guy in a digital world.
 
 
 
  
____________________________________
 From: broske at hutchtel.net
To: marvbrons at verizon.net
CC:  ki6cm.cliff at gmail.com, k4ya at live.com, vic.w4vic at verizon.net, 
W8EK at FLHam.net,  wa9jmo at gmail.com, dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net, ve6afo at cia.com,  
wa4aw at hotmail.com, wa6poz at arrl.net, howardc at macrollc.com, WA2ARS at aol.com,  
n8aju at flham.net
Sent: 11/11/2012 12:05:57 P.M. Eastern Standard  Time
Subj: Re: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming


tnx Marv,

I'm passing your comments on to the  current Board.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Webmaster QCWA
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: "marvin bronstein"  <marvbrons at verizon.net>
To: "Bob Roske"  <broske at hutchtel.net>
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2012 10:57  AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is  coming


> Bob,
> I'd like to "throw my hat" into this  'fray' and compliment the decision 
to 
> go 'digital'.  While I  fully enjoyed and looked forward to receiving 
> the"JOURNAL" in the  mail it has become a significant burden to print and 
> mail  periodicals.  There may be a great deal to say about the benefits 
of  
> having 'hard-copy' periodicals (like something to read in the 'lu')  but 
> this can be overcome by individuals (like myself) who can  readily print 
> them out at home and have 'hard-copies' to  read.  (I rather like 
> hard-copies because it is easier to read  and can be read while sitting 
in 
> my 'easy-chair' relaxing in the  den.)  The cost for us to print-out a 
hard 
> copy at home is  far, far less costly than QCWA having to print and mail 
> these  out.  In the efforts to preserve QCWA I applaud the board's  
actions!
>
> 73
> Marv, K2VHW
>  
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bob Roske"  <broske at hutchtel.net>
> To: "QCWA - Reflector"  <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>; "QCWA - Hotlist" 
>  <qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Saturday, November 10,  2012 8:07 AM
> Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is  coming
>
>
> I've read many reasons for the Journal going  Digital, they are all valid.
>
> I've read many reasons why this  isn't necessarily a good thing, they are 
> all valid  too.
>
> I've even seen a little finger pointing, which isn't  good but hardly 
> avoidable.
>
> At the vey core of this  issue are several truths:
> The Board of Directors was elected to run  the business of QCWA, and they 
> are!  If you don't like the  decisions they make you are more than 
welcome 
> to seek election in  2014.
> It cost more money to print and ship the Journal than it use  to.  The 
cost 
> has increased every quarter for the past several  years.
> Not all of our members have access to a  computer.
>
> What's to be done?  This is a excerpt of the  email I sent to Chapter 8 
> this morning:
>  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  QCWA will not be printing the Journal any more. For the active members, 
it  
> will be a available as a monthly digital magazine on the Members  Webpage 
> at www.qcwa.org/members.
>
> We have 2 members  that don't have computers or email addresses. Both 
have 
> been  licensed over 75 years. They are W0DKL, Ben Miller and W0KZD, Josh 
>  Premack.
>
> Does anyone know a printing company that we could  email the journal PDF 
> file to so they could print and mail the  Journals to these members?
>
> Please get back to me with the  company name, contact information and 
> prices.
>  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Chapter 8 has 40 members, I suspect(hope) we will pick up the cost of  
> printing and mailing for these two Life Members.  The first  step will be 
> to find a local printer.
>
> This might be  a service offered by your chapter for your members with 
the 
> member  paying the printing and shipping cost.  This service might be a 
way  
> to increase chapter membership.  There are many  possibilities.
>
> Good Luck to the BoD as they venture forth  into this new way of doing 
> business.
>
> Good luck to  us all!
>
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> Chapter 8  Secretary
> Past President (08-12)
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From jdangus at att.net  Mon Nov 12 11:54:55 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 10:54:55 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
In-Reply-To: <16deb.3cfecc43.3dd27f34@aol.com>
References: <16deb.3cfecc43.3dd27f34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <50A129DF.1040802@att.net>

On 11/12/2012 10:35 AM, WA2ARS at aol.com wrote:
> I know it's difficult but some of us are going to
> have to go kicking  and screaming from an Analog
> world into a Digital one.
Yes. I've heard all the screaming about single side band
and with the requirement of a sub audible tone on the
repeaters as well.

Things change. That is the one constant in life.

And it's NOT like the digital information age is new. It
has been with us for over 20 years now.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From kbills at yahoo.com  Mon Nov 12 12:28:53 2012
From: kbills at yahoo.com (Ken-W9KB)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:28:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA] Joe Walsh - Analog Man
Message-ID: <1352741333.99917.YahooMailRC@web82605.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I trust your reference was made after hearing fellow ham WB6ACU Joe Walsh 
(Eagles) sing "Analog Man".

If not check it out on you tube..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=il1Byvn_vMA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEoWaP4skv8


73 
Ken-W9KB

From ad7gr at live.com  Mon Nov 12 12:37:05 2012
From: ad7gr at live.com (Ed - ad7gr)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:37:05 -0800
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA - The Digital Journal is coming
In-Reply-To: <16deb.3cfecc43.3dd27f34@aol.com>
References: <16deb.3cfecc43.3dd27f34@aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP146584AF1924505C93D4110846D0@phx.gbl>

When it comes down to "go digital or go broke", then for the sake of the 
club, I must adjust and go digital in this need.   I have to admit 
though that when magazines I have subscribed to in the past have gone 
digital and then dropped their print editions I ceased subscribing to 
them.   Of course that is a different matter than the QCWA club membership.

As for the feeling that we must be involved or be responsible for the 
demise of the club (or chapter) --sorry, but that is my take on the 
other discussion-- for me this is very difficult since I live in a rural 
area and the closest chapter to me is a 2.5 hour drive away in the next 
state and there is no one within a reasonable drive of my home that is 
remotely interested in an additional chapter nor am I able to spearhead 
one.   Between property maintenance, livestock, family, church and 
volunteer duties my time is very limited.   For the time being I have 
had to set aside much of my hobby time, ham radio included.   While ham 
radio has been important to me it must take a back seat to these other 
needs.

I have been only able to support the QCWA in promoting it as I meet 
people and with my dues since my retirement funds have been greatly 
eroding these past five years, expenses increasing and income decreasing 
and if times do not improve then my personal website will have to go as 
well as I tighten my belt and if/or when the time comes to end my 
internet connection as well.   We all have hard decisions to make.   I 
also realize that typically less than 10% of any membership does over 
90% of the work... perhaps all of the work these days.   Some of us are 
just not able to do more than the little we do.

I am thankful to all of you who are willing and able to fill the 
positions in club and chapter leadership and are making those hard 
decisions in order for the club to continue on.

73,
Ed

AD7GR
qcwa 32628
www.edlinko.net

On 11/12/2012 8:35 AM, WA2ARS at aol.com wrote:
>   
> In a message dated 11/12/2012 11:34:02 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> WA2ARS at aol.com writes:
>
> [snip]
> Ken Simpson and all the board members have said it like it is.
>   It was either "Go Digital or Go Broke."


From mike at mikesturm.com  Mon Nov 12 14:13:41 2012
From: mike at mikesturm.com (Mike Sturm)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:13:41 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] The last bastion gone...
Message-ID: <b8c19c61935e7d0128e12659403b5dfb.squirrel@webmail3.web.com>

I begin by saying that I've never met a friendlier group than the QCWA
members I've been in contact with and I wish the BOD every possible
success in their reorganized roles.  The Founder's and the Hudson Valley
chapters are holding on with weekly 75M nets and a very great yearly
luncheon-meeting.  Just a short muse on one consequence of digital
publications:

It was an article on microcomputers in a Ham Radio magazine that launched
me on a rewarding and eminently enjoyable 35 year career in Information
Technology.  For much of that time, I sat content before a screen and
keyboard as both a hobbyist and professional.  But always, there was that
very special place...

There, no invasive technology could interrupt me.  There, I communed with
nature and PRINTED literature in blissful solitude.   For the near-term,
I'm holding off on purchasing a tablet computer in my (arguably futile)
effort to keep my special reading room technology-free.

Poetically put:

My desktop is too big to use,
In my favorite place to peruse.
So now I must flush,
And dethrone in a rush,
To catch up on latest club news.

The Journal will be an enjoyable read - wherever we read it!  73 all.

Mike KA2E



From broske at hutchtel.net  Mon Nov 12 14:29:35 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 13:29:35 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] The Reflector Project
In-Reply-To: <00e201cdc104$90f3d020$b2db7060$@com>
References: <00e201cdc104$90f3d020$b2db7060$@com>
Message-ID: <AFEE4B6EFE7840CD99EC5ED686EC1F5E@BobsWeb>

A follow up on my project from yesterday.

Of the 180 emails I pulled off the reflector yesterday:

56 members had their email id added to the database and should receive a password this weekend.

29 delinquent members were asked to renew their membership.

13 never were members of QCWA and were asked to Join.

1 was a SK.

2 haven't been licensed for 25 years yet.

The others, we already had them.

That's 42 potential new active members, not a bad days work! 

Our GM did a great job with these, thanks Jim!

73,
Bob, N0UF

From kf5lo at att.net  Tue Nov 13 16:05:41 2012
From: kf5lo at att.net (Victor Martin)
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:05:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Fort Worth Chapter 72 Lunch Meeting November 17
In-Reply-To: <1347335464.28693.YahooMailRC@web80004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <1341897741.51672.YahooMailRC@web80010.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<1347335464.28693.YahooMailRC@web80004.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1352840741.66128.YahooMailRC@web80002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Greetings,
?Our?November monthly lunch meeting is on the 17th (third Saturday)?at Spring 
Creek Barbeque at 8628 Camp Bowie (cross street ? Las Vegas Trail) when the 
doors open at 11:00. ?Hope to see you there.
(Click the following for 
directions:?http://www.qcwa.org/chapter072map.html)Remember that?every Tuesday 
we have an on-air meeting on the Lockheed Martin Recreation Association (LMRA) 
repeater (147.28 (+) with Pl of 110.9) at 7:30 pm.Check in when you have the 
chance.
Ted
V. Ted Martin, KF5LO
Secretary, QCWA Chapter 72
(817) 656-3243
Kf5lo at att.net73,

From broske at hutchtel.net  Wed Nov 14 09:01:38 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:01:38 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] Mabank Office going dark shortly
Message-ID: <A79F658E5A2B4322AE4D2DCB3079C439@BobsWeb>

Good Morning,

In preparation for the Mabank office going dark this week a new hardcopy of the USA membership form is on the website @ www.qcwa.org/join-renew.php  Please use this new form starting now,  It has the Florida office contact information on it.

Non USA members, please continue to use the on-line application and PayPal.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Webmaster QCWA

From jdangus at att.net  Wed Nov 14 09:15:38 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 08:15:38 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] Mabank Office going dark shortly
In-Reply-To: <A79F658E5A2B4322AE4D2DCB3079C439@BobsWeb>
References: <A79F658E5A2B4322AE4D2DCB3079C439@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <50A3A78A.7060502@att.net>

On 11/14/2012 8:01 AM, Bob Roske wrote:
> In preparation for the Mabank office going dark this week
Good luck with the move.

"Happy landing"

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Nov 15 13:51:46 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:51:46 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] Fw: QCWA's Future & 12 Issues Of Digital Journal
Message-ID: <DDF72C2147454BB5A998E248E40A9112@BobsWeb>

Forwarded for VE6AFO

Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:38:16 -0700
To: QCWA Bulletin Service
From: ve6afo at cia.com
Subject: QCWA's Future & 12 Issues Of Digital Journal

Greetings To All On The QCWA Reflector!

Especially to those who have taken the time to make thoughtful comments on this subject;

Dale Svetanoff, WA9ENA
John Peters, K1ER
Bob Roske, N?UF
Jeff, WA6FWI
Howard, W1HO
Tom Childers, N5GE
Dick Newsome, W0HXL
John, K1ER
Marv, K2VHW
Don, W7WLL

As they say, the buck has to stop somewhere, and that is usually with the President.

My reply is addressed to everyone who have made various comments on the subject of QCWA's future well being, and the hardship of not being able to receive a printed quarterly QCWA Journal in the future. Right here and now - I ask that each and every member please understand why the Board needed to make these decisions going forward. Yes - we do know the Board's decision would not sit well with everyone, however, the choices were few, unless some rich QCWA uncle were willing to donate a great deal of money!

I have been following the thread(s) re the QCWA Journal going from a quarterly "printed and mailed out to members" version, to 12 issues a year of a digital Journal only. I believe the future is bright for going digital, though I too like a hard copy in my hands while sitting in the easy chair. I think we will all need to learn to adapt, and we will!

There was mention of one organization going digital only...well I am a Life Member of ARRL and RAC, our equivalent Canadian National Assoication, and RAC just announced that they will be going 100% digital, unless you join/renew as a "Maple Leaf" member, which will cost $100.00 each year. In Canada, regular membership in RAC is $50.00 per year, plus 5% tax.  And, this is for a 'digital only', 6 issues per year magazine. As and aside, I wonder how long it will be before ARRL eliminates the printed version?

The digital Journal will be available on the QCWA "Members Only" web site. For all those who have provided QCWA with an e-mail address, you have all been sent a temporary password to sign into the "Members Only" portion of the web site. Please do sign in and find out the new things that have been set up for you the member. The Chapter Officers even have access to more information to help their chapter grow and prosper. If we do not have your e-mail address, then please provide it to the new (effective November 15th), QCWA Executive Administrator at <ExecAdmin at qcwa.org>.

I won't repeat what already has been said by Director Ken Simpson, W8EK, Vice-President Larry McCalvy, WA9JMO, Secretary Vic Culver, W4VIC, Past President Bob Roske, N0UF and General Manager Jim LaPorta, N1CC. Thank you Jim for some numbers, which puts a better perspective on where QCWA membership stands today. What each have stated on the Reflectors, I do concur, and these are the hard facts, whether we like it or not.

I don't want to bore you with membership dues history, but for those who care to study it, I have pasted it below my message. If you follow, you can see that QCWA membership has been too low for too many years, this in order to keep up with inflation and the huge cost increases in printing and mailing the Journal. For us Life Members, who joined when they were young, we are getting a real bargain! This includes me, who joined in 1989 as a Life Member (# 22655).

For those who are not aware - QCWA has been running a huge deficit budget for many years. The past Board relied on too many good years in the stock market (where our corporate account funds are invested), and kept using these funds to bring the budget into balance. To start with, this is not good business, and when the markets took a big hit in 2008, we never fully recovered on the investment side of things. We found our corporate account had almost but vanished! We knew, as told to us by our CPA back in the Spring of 2012, if we did not do something in the way of cutting our costs and or further increasing our revenues, QCWA would not be able to continue for much longer than another year. I will end here....

Also, I want to point out what GM Jim LaPorta, N1CC, has so wisely pointed out to the QCWA Board. Since the printed version will be gone, and if chapters so decide to print and mail for their non-computer members, we need to remember one thing. Below is a direct quote from GM Jim LaPorta to the Board;

""As long as QCWA, Incorporated is not MAILING the Journal AND using the non-profit postage, you will be able to take some advertisements that are prohibited by USPS for our category.  I do suspect that QCWA, having made the decision to not PRINT, needs to instruct Chapters that if they choose to print the Journal that they must not use Media Mail or Non Profit mail, because content, such as Travel and Insurance will then be allowed. and we can't make two different eJournal editions monthly going forward from a practical standpoint  We still have to conform to IRS 501c(3) rules for advertising.""

Thanks Jim for this.

73,

Ken Oelke, VE6AFO
QCWA President

*************************************************************************************
DUES HISTORY
Date            Dues                                                            Effective Date
1947            $10/3 years                                                     1 January 1947
1965            Life Membership - $25 Life
1971            Life Membership  - $35 Life                                     1 July 1971
1975            Life Membership - $50 Life                                      1 April 1975
1976            Dues changed to 36 months rather than 3 calendar years7 October 1976
1977            Dues $14/3 years                                                1 January 1977
1977            Life Membership  - $70 Life                                     1 April 1977
1978            International Dues - $10/3 years non-subscribing                21 September 1978
1980            Dues - $19/3 years                                              1 January 1980 
$15/2 years 
$9/1 year 
1980            Life Membership - $80 Life                                      1 January 1980
1983            Dues $25/3 years                                                1 January 1983 
$20/2 years 
$12/1 year 
Family Membership - $10/3 years 
Life Membership - $125 Life 
1986            International Dues - $10/3 years                                1 January 1986 
International Life - $50 Life - No pubs 
International Life - Time Pay - $60 Life  3 payments 
1989 International Dues - $25/3 years                   1 March 1989 
International Life - $125 Life - Limited pubs           1 March 1989 
1991            U.S. Dues - $30/3 years                                 1 January 1991 
$25/2 years 
$15/1 year 
U.S. Family Member - $12/3 years 
U.S. Family Life - $90/Life of either one - no pubs 
U.S. Family Life Time pay - $105/Life - 3 payments 
1993 U.S. Dues - $35/3 years                            1 October 1993 
U.S. Dues Life - $225 Life 
1993            International, no publications - $25/3 years            1 October 1993 
International Family - $12/3 years 
International Life, no publications - $50 Life 
International Life Family - $40 
Publications Available 
1994            Canadian - $25/3 years no publications                  1 December 1994 
Canadian Life, no publications - $60 
Canadian Life with publications - $335 
Canadian Life Family - $40 
Publications available - $14/3 years 
1995            U.S. Life - $300                                                1 June 1995
1996            U.S. Dues - $20/1 year                                  1 April 1996 
$35/2 years 
$50/3 years 
1999            Canadian Publications - $25                             1 July 1999

International Dues History
9/21/78 - Dues changed to permit non-subscribing membership for overseas members

1979 - $10 for 3 years "with the exception of publications" for members "living off the North American Continent, in an area not listed in the latest National Zip Code Directory.
(Bylaws II, 1 - 1979 Directory)

9/01/84 - Two geographical classifications established - U.S. and International.  Canadians are now
International.  (Director's Guide - Section 7, Membership)

1/01/86 - $10 for 3 years - with exception of receiving regular publications.  (Same as U.S. Family
Membership.)

5/31/92 - Dues are no longer specified but the Bylaws states ".the current dues are published in
the QCWA Journal."  (Bylaws, Article II, Section 1)

10/1/93 - 3 year dues, no publications - $25.  Family dues - $12.
Life dues, no publications - $60.  Family Life - $40

12/1/94 - Canadian 3 year dues $25; Family dues $12, no publications.
Life dues, no publications - $60; Family Life - $40.
Canadian Life, with publications, $335

7/01/99 - Canadian Publication raised to $25 per year

Life Membership History
3/16/85 - Life Membership fees shall be based on 15 times the lowest current annual dues
3/16/85 - $85 Life Membership ($95 time payment)
1/01/86 - $50 Life Membership without publications ($60 time payment)
3/01/89 - $125 Life Membership - including limited publications
6/01/95 - $300 Life Membership
1/01/11 - 20 times annual rate

From ve6afo at cia.com  Thu Nov 15 14:15:52 2012
From: ve6afo at cia.com (ve6afo at cia.com)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 12:15:52 -0700
Subject: [QCWA] President Oelke Testing
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20121115121531.01c7b6f0@mail.3web.net>

No Reply Required


From W8EK at flham.net  Thu Nov 15 15:24:39 2012
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 15:24:39 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA HQ transition info
Message-ID: <50A54F87.1050800@flham.net>


Hello Everyone,

I would like to update you on the transition of QCWA headquarters
from TX to Ocala, FL.

Yesterday, the truck picked up over 80 boxes of "stuff", and it is now
enroute to FL. We expect it to arrive early next week.

Jim, N1CC, will cease operations in TX today. We will start
operations here in FL once the truck gets here and we get it unloaded
and things set up. We expect this to be about December 1. This means
that the QCWA office will be closed for a couple weeks over
Thanksgiving.

Once we start the "decentralized" operation, we will have several
different people doing various jobs. For a detailed explanation of
the jobs, who does them, and the e-mail addresses, you can go to the
QCWA web site at www.qcwa.org, and click on NOW in the upper left
part pf the home page where it says New Positions @ QCWA.

Here is a brief synopsis of where to send e-mail, and who the 
contact person is:

     Executive Administrator - Ken Simpson, W8EK - ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
     Executive Assistant - Sue Simpson, N8AJU - ExecAsst at qcwa.org
     Disbursement Administrator - Roberta Cohen, WA2FRW -
     	DisburseAdmin at qcwa.org
     Certificate Custodian - Vic Culver, W4VIC - CertifCust at qcwa.org
     Membership Supplies Coordinator - Myron Cherry, K4YA -
     	MemberSupply at qcwa.org

We are here to serve you, but at the same time ask for your
understanding during the transition period.

Please e-mail if you have questions.

Thanks, 73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson, W8EK
QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097







From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Nov 15 19:07:28 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:07:28 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] HQ at Mabank has gone dark.
Message-ID: <AA4A652DEA804E988CD813D1B30927EF@BobsWeb>

Effective about 4:30 pm CST this afternoon, the QCWA HQ office in Mabank TX 
went dark.

I personally want to thank Jim and Linda LaPorta, N1CC and NE5LL for the 
excellent work they did and all they accomplished in their short stink as 
our General Manager and his Right Hand Woman!

QCWA now embarks on a new adventure, we have an Executive Administrator and 
a supporting cast of volunteers.

When you surf www.qcwa.org, be sure to refresh your browser for each page to 
pick up the new information that was installed less than an hour ago.

Insure the membership forms you submit have the Ocala address on them. The 
on-line forms are good to go.

I want to wish Ken Simpson W8EK our new Executive Administrator, Sue 
Simpson, N8AJU our new Executive Assistant and the other Volunteers all the 
very best.

The Volunteer Positions are listed on the website at 
http://www.qcwa.org/officers-directors-support_staff.htm.

73,
Bob Roske, N?UF
Webmaster QCWA 


From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Nov 15 19:48:45 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 18:48:45 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] HQ at Mabank has gone dark.
Message-ID: <5C8F1F6277AB4859AE6570864F3CA669@BobsWeb>

My apologies,  Jim and Linda had a short stint, not a short stink!

Some days I don't type or spell very well.

tnx to my proof readers.

73,
Bob

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
To: "QCWA - Reflector" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>; "QCWA - Hotlist" 
<qcwahotlist at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 6:07 PM
Subject: HQ at Mabank has gone dark.


> Effective about 4:30 pm CST this afternoon, the QCWA HQ office in Mabank 
> TX went dark.
>
> I personally want to thank Jim and Linda LaPorta, N1CC and NE5LL for the 
> excellent work they did and all they accomplished in their short stink as 
> our General Manager and his Right Hand Woman!
>
> QCWA now embarks on a new adventure, we have an Executive Administrator 
> and a supporting cast of volunteers.
>
> When you surf www.qcwa.org, be sure to refresh your browser for each page 
> to pick up the new information that was installed less than an hour ago.
>
> Insure the membership forms you submit have the Ocala address on them. The 
> on-line forms are good to go.
>
> I want to wish Ken Simpson W8EK our new Executive Administrator, Sue 
> Simpson, N8AJU our new Executive Assistant and the other Volunteers all 
> the very best.
>
> The Volunteer Positions are listed on the website at 
> http://www.qcwa.org/officers-directors-support_staff.htm.
>
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> Webmaster QCWA 


From TwelveVDC at aol.com  Thu Nov 22 13:23:04 2012
From: TwelveVDC at aol.com (Pete)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:23:04 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Happy Thanksgiving!
Message-ID: <6899F6DD-51FC-4C74-8424-764ADD1C6896@aol.com>

From my celebrating household, to all the friends on this list, I wish you and your families a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

Vy 73, es GL!
-Pete / NL7XM



From wa4aw at juno.com  Thu Nov 22 15:39:18 2012
From: wa4aw at juno.com (wa4aw)
Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 20:39:18 GMT
Subject: [QCWA]  Happy Thanksgiving!
Message-ID: <20121122.153918.3889.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com>

Hi Pete, My sentiments exactly !   A very Happy Thanksgiving to you & the rest of our QCWA family. Vy 73, Jeff  WA4AW   QCWA
Quarter Century Wireless Association
Jeff Beals, WA4AW National Director &
QCWA Historian
 Palm Beach Chapter 111
 Secretary-Treasurer
PO Box 1584Loxahatchee, FL 33470-1584561-252-6707wa4aw at qcwa.org www.qcwa.org    From my celebrating household, to all the friends on this list, I wish you and your families a safe and Happy Thanksgiving!

Vy 73, es GL!
-Pete / NL7XM


____________________________________________________________
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From ExecAdmin at qcwa.org  Sun Nov 25 09:25:04 2012
From: ExecAdmin at qcwa.org (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Sun, 25 Nov 2012 09:25:04 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA at Tampa FL Hamfest
Message-ID: <50B22A40.7090104@qcwa.org>


I would like to alert everyone that QCWA will have a display booth and 
also a forum at the Tampa Hamfest, which will held this coming 
Saturday, December 1, at the Manatee Civic Center in Palmetto, Florida 
(just south of Tampa).

This year, the entire hamfest will be held inside.  QCWA will have a 
display booth along the wall.

At the present time, our forum is scheduled to be held at 1 PM in the 
TERRA CEIA Room.  This is subject to change, so please check the 
program at the hamfest.  We will have a power point presentation 
explaining some of the changes that are taking place in QCWA, and will 
also be available to answer your questions.

At the present time, in addition to Executive Assistant Sue, N8AJU, 
and myself, we expect to have Disbursement Administrator Roberta 
WA2FRW, Treasurer Mort WA2ARS, and Historian Jeff WA4AW.  There may be 
other directors and officers as well, so please come and see us.

See you there.

Thanks, 73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson, W8EK
QCWA Director and Executive Administrator
E-Mail to ExecAdmin at qcwa.org
QCWA Phone (352) 425-1097





From nathans22 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 26 06:32:13 2012
From: nathans22 at verizon.net (nate)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 05:32:13 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA 6 meeting
Message-ID: <15913561.344691.1353929533370.JavaMail.root@vznit170132>


From nathans22 at verizon.net  Mon Nov 26 12:41:16 2012
From: nathans22 at verizon.net (nate)
Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2012 11:41:16 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA 6 meeting
Message-ID: <24369699.17260.1353951676224.JavaMail.root@vms170015>


From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 12:04:26 2012
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:04:26 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Minutes Available on Members Only Web Site
Message-ID: <50B6441A.806@verizon.net>


From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Wed Nov 28 12:24:40 2012
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 12:24:40 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Minutes Available on Members Only Web Site
In-Reply-To: <50B6441A.806@verizon.net>
References: <50B6441A.806@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <50B648D8.9000301@verizon.net>


Our speedy webmaster has placed the Minutes of the QCWA Board of 
Directors Meeting at Reno, in Sept. of 2012, voted as approved only last 
evening, on the Members Only web site.

Additionally, the Minutes of the Annual Members Meeting, held at the 
Reno Convention, September 2012, are now available on the Members Only 
web site.

Please continue to monitor the Members Only web site for latest news of 
happenings in QCWA.  These are indeed interesting times, and many 
changes are taking place as we inaugurate our new Ocala, Fla. 
Headquarters Office.

It is critically important to QCWA that you register with the Members 
Only web site -- it's FREE.  Yes, this requires a computer and an e-mail 
address, but if one is not available at home, there are many sites 
around most areas that provide 'internet cafe' settings, including 
almost every public library in existence now, where internet access can 
be had at little or no cost.  Your E-Mail address will be fully 
protected, and is never shared or sold to anyone for any purpose.  If 
you require assistance in gaining connectivity, or in configuring your 
own computer, please contact your Chapter Officials, who will be pleased 
to offer a helping hand.  We're all in this together, and being well 
informed about current QCWA events makes for a happier membership 
experience.

Thank you for your continuing support of QCWA.  73, Vic, W4VIC

Vic Culver, W4VIC
Secretary, QCWA Inc.
QCWA Certificate Custodian
Mobile:  757-282-1289
E-Mail: Secretary at qcwa.org





From broske at hutchtel.net  Wed Nov 28 16:28:57 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 15:28:57 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] CQ - December Cover
Message-ID: <9E831C2DBED544AB8389E16E0874F972@BobsWeb>

Does anyone know why the cover of the December issue of CQ has the map backwards?

73,
Bob N0UF

From jdangus at att.net  Wed Nov 28 17:18:49 2012
From: jdangus at att.net (Jeffrey D Angus)
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 16:18:49 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] CQ - December Cover
In-Reply-To: <9E831C2DBED544AB8389E16E0874F972@BobsWeb>
References: <9E831C2DBED544AB8389E16E0874F972@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <50B68DC9.3060400@att.net>

On 11/28/2012 3:28 PM, Bob Roske wrote:
> Does anyone know why the cover of the December
> issue of CQ has the map backwards?
Apple iPhone 5 ;-)

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


From w4thn at verizon.net  Thu Nov 29 10:55:39 2012
From: w4thn at verizon.net (Vernon Fix)
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 10:55:39 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] [QCWA Hotlist] Birthday Greetings
In-Reply-To: <C6C55F78958C4985B4B2CF64469F797E@BobsWeb>
References: <C6C55F78958C4985B4B2CF64469F797E@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <50B7857B.8000603@verizon.net>

Keep up the good work Bob, you're doing great.
Vernon, w4thn, 12997


On 11/29/2012 9:13 AM, Bob Roske wrote:
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I thought you should know, when I started putting birthdays on the Members Only webpage I also started sending the emails to those members we have email IDs for.
>
> I get several replies like this every week.
>
> 73,
> Bob Roske, N?UF
> Webmaster QCWA
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: wa3ynw at comcast.net
> To: broske at hutchtel.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: Birthday Greetings WA3YNW
>
>
> Thank you very much...William..WA3YNW
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: broske at hutchtel.net
> To: wa3ynw@********.net
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:00:01 AM
> Subject: Birthday Greetings WA3YNW
>
> Happy Birthday William, and many happy returns on the day.
>
> 73,
> Your Friends at QCWA
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Fri Nov 30 13:04:48 2012
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 12:04:48 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] The rest of the story!
Message-ID: <4FD0EFA207B241838FEAE05CA89B0CE8@BobsWeb>

Facebook:
CQ Amateur Radio Magazine wrote: "We have unwittingly revealed how Santa determines whether hams have been naughty or nice ... he watches them from behind the world maps on their shack walls! We'll probably end up with coal in our stockings for letting out the secret! -- W2VU"

From newsline at ix.netcom.com  Fri Nov 30 13:13:51 2012
From: newsline at ix.netcom.com (William Pasternak)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 10:13:51 -0800
Subject: [QCWA] The rest of the story!
In-Reply-To: <4FD0EFA207B241838FEAE05CA89B0CE8@BobsWeb>
References: <4FD0EFA207B241838FEAE05CA89B0CE8@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <E1TeV5j-0001nj-DK@elasmtp-spurfowl.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Actually, my investigation shows that's not really Santa on the 
cover. In fact its the famed "Wizard of Speed and Time" in his red 
holiday robe rather than his traditional all year green one.  If you 
think about it, Santa has to be the real "Wizard of Speed and Time" 
to get to all those kids homes in just one night.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoLhLn9hVkE

de
Bill P./WA6ITF




At 10:04 AM 11/30/2012, Bob Roske wrote:
>Facebook:
>CQ Amateur Radio Magazine wrote: "We have unwittingly revealed how 
>Santa determines whether hams have been naughty or nice ... he 
>watches them from behind the world maps on their shack walls! We'll 
>probably end up with coal in our stockings for letting out the secret! -- W2VU"
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