From wa9vrh at dishmail.net  Sun Aug  1 16:11:41 2010
From: wa9vrh at dishmail.net (Larry WA9VRH)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 15:11:41 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] CCA First Wed. AM Night Aug 4th!!
Message-ID: <016201cb31b6$36811830$6a01a8c0@KWM380>

FIRST WEDNESDAY AM NIGHT!!! Sponsored by the Collins Collectors Association.

Wednesday August 4th, 2010 on 3880 kcs at 7:00 PM local East Coast time 
marks the start of the latest
chapter of First Wednesday AM Night, drawing hundreds of vintage stations 
from across the country.


The East Coast and Central sections run for 90 minutes in response to the 
tremendous participation in those time zones. The remaining time zones
will be an hour. We encourage stations to check-in on AM using Collins and 
other AM transmitters, new and
old.  It's an opportunity to revel in this nostalgic mode, enjoy giving 
vintage equipment a "run," and sharing
some storytelling about classic vacuum tube homebrew and commercial designs. 
Typically more than a
hundred stations take part in the evening's coast-to-coast AM event; by the 
time it concludes at 10:00 PM
Local PST.

LISTEN for the following anchors and stop by to say hello, won't you? You 
don't have to be running Collins
or vintage gear to be welcomed into the group.

7:00 PM-8:30 PM Local East Coast Time Anchor:  Bob W0YVA

7:30 PM-9:00 PM Local Central Time Anchor:  Jim W0NKL and Brian K0EFJ

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local Mountain Time Anchor: K0OJ Jim and Chuck KD0ZS

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local West Coast Time Anchor:  WA6FIZ Mickey

comments please to wa9vrh at dishmail.net




From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug  2 21:28:14 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 21:28:14 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Canadian SK's
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP4960788856D0F67AF4B0AF83AE0@phx.gbl>

Greetings all,

Once again, we are in the sad position of having 5 of the last 10 QCWA Silent Keys being Canadians.  The listing today is as follows:

      Our Last 10 Silent Keys 
      VE3LJ  K8LBZ  VE3NJH  VA3IEE  W4OUK  
      VE6AI  AE6QP  W?UEI  VE3SB  W6AAQ  


Our thoughts and sympathies are with the families of all those who have passed on.

Sincerely,

Dave Hayes VE3JX.

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug  4 12:04:45 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:04:45 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP575A29069516653D28B66583AF0@phx.gbl>

Greetings all,

Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from straight addition of all roster entries.

Our International members increased modestly, while our US members decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.  Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?  Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.

Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!

I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.

Sincerely, 

Dave Hayes VE3JX
QCWA Life Member

P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to view them that way.  -jx



 ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
 -------------------------------------------
 
          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
          ----------  ----------  ----------
       All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127

  Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
            1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
            2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
            3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
            4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
            5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
            6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
            7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
            8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
            9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456

          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
          ----------  ----------  ----------
International -  442         462         474

  Australia -      3           3           3
  Austria -        9           9           9
  Belgium -        2           2           2
  Brasil -         1           1           1
  Canada -       245         258         265
  Columbia -       0           1           1
  Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
  Denmark -        1           1           1
  Germany -      123         128         124
  Honduras -       1           1           1
  Hungary -        1           1           0
  Isle of Man -    1           1           1
  Israel -         4           4           5
  Italy -          2           2           2
  Japan -         26          25          28
  Kroatia -        1           1           1
  Netherlands -    1           1           1
  Norway -         1           1           1
  Paraguay -       1           1           1
  Poland -         2           2           2
  Russia -         2           2           2
  Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
  Sweden -         2           2           1
  Switzerland -    8           9          13
  Taiwan -         2           2           2
  United Kingdom - 1           1           2

Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
------    ----------  ----------  ----------
 All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
 International   442         462         474
--------------------------------------------
WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
--------------------------------------------


From invergo at hotmail.com  Wed Aug  4 13:59:04 2010
From: invergo at hotmail.com (Michael)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 12:59:04 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP575A29069516653D28B66583AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP575A29069516653D28B66583AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU132-DS14BB0222E8345473FAF071A1AF0@phx.gbl>

Dave,

One of the reasons may be that many of the various chapters do nothing
outside their monthly lunch or breakfast meeting.  If the chapters would
have some type of program at their monthly meetings it may increase
membership.  Also, if the club would have 1 or 2 events per year to get the
members active and encourage them to invite guests.  It may also increase
membership.

Best 73's
Michael Invergo
N4MUJ
Life Member
Bandera, Tx


--------------------------------------------------
From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:04 AM
To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics

> Greetings all,
>
> Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 
> 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from 
> straight addition of all roster entries.
>
> Our International members increased modestly, while our US members 
> decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 
> was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year. 
> Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise? 
> Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue 
> community.
>
> Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 
> 13 in 2010.  Well done!
>
> I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
> QCWA Life Member
>
> P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt 
> to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to view 
> them that way.  -jx
>
>
>
> ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
> -------------------------------------------
>
>          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>          ----------  ----------  ----------
>       All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>
>  Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
>            1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
>            2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
>            3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
>            4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
>            5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
>            6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
>            7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
>            8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
>            9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456
>
>          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>          ----------  ----------  ----------
> International -  442         462         474
>
>  Australia -      3           3           3
>  Austria -        9           9           9
>  Belgium -        2           2           2
>  Brasil -         1           1           1
>  Canada -       245         258         265
>  Columbia -       0           1           1
>  Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
>  Denmark -        1           1           1
>  Germany -      123         128         124
>  Honduras -       1           1           1
>  Hungary -        1           1           0
>  Isle of Man -    1           1           1
>  Israel -         4           4           5
>  Italy -          2           2           2
>  Japan -         26          25          28
>  Kroatia -        1           1           1
>  Netherlands -    1           1           1
>  Norway -         1           1           1
>  Paraguay -       1           1           1
>  Poland -         2           2           2
>  Russia -         2           2           2
>  Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
>  Sweden -         2           2           1
>  Switzerland -    8           9          13
>  Taiwan -         2           2           2
>  United Kingdom - 1           1           2
>
> Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
> ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
> All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
> International   442         462         474
> --------------------------------------------
> WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
> --------------------------------------------
>
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug  4 14:41:23 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 14:41:23 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU132-DS14BB0222E8345473FAF071A1AF0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU0-SMTP575A29069516653D28B66583AF0@phx.gbl>
	<BLU132-DS14BB0222E8345473FAF071A1AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP2313B736EC8FD97F51063583AF0@phx.gbl>

Hi Michael,

Thank you very much for your input.

I think you hit the nail on the head, with respect to where this problem of 
decreasing membership has to be solved, i.e. at the chapter level.  Of course, 
direction from the National is important also.  But, given that most QCWA member 
involvement is at their Chapter(s), it is vital that those Chapters provide what 
their members need and desire.

The social aspect is not to be minimized; it is very important.  However, some 
other purpose has to be there for the Chapter to generate interest and 
enthusiasm among its members.  With the pool of expertise and experience that 
exists in QCWA, the value of a Chapter's activities can geatly benefit the 
amateur population in general.

Some Chapters, for example, concentrate efforts towards Youth Education.  Others 
may have other projects geared to various aspects or needs of our hobby, perhaps 
local endeavours.

The point is that QCWA does need other things to motivate members besides being 
a Mutual Admiration Society.

Questions that could be asked are:

Is there a common project that could be universally embraced by all Chapters?

Or, is it better for each Chapter to decide what they will pursue as their goal 
of benefitting local amateur radio?

Or, should we have both local & national/international projects?

Interestingly, call area 9 increased their membership numbers.  I am inclined to 
think that the interest generated by the project of hosting the Convention 
Cruise was a factor involved.  Membership increase may be a very good 
side-benefit to hosting a QCWA Convention.  Indeed, it can be considered a very 
positive project, whether a cruise or land-based.

Another area, in addition to projects, that may produce results is maintaining 
good communication within the Chapter.  Does the Chapter have a good newsletter 
or bulletin that continuously informs its members as to what is going on?  Such 
may well pay great dividends in member retention and increase.

Just some of my random thoughts as inspired by yours.  Thanks again.

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael" <invergo at hotmail.com>
To: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>; "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


> Dave,
>
> One of the reasons may be that many of the various chapters do nothing
> outside their monthly lunch or breakfast meeting.  If the chapters would
> have some type of program at their monthly meetings it may increase
> membership.  Also, if the club would have 1 or 2 events per year to get the
> members active and encourage them to invite guests.  It may also increase
> membership.
>
> Best 73's
> Michael Invergo
> N4MUJ
> Life Member
> Bandera, Tx
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 11:04 AM
> To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
> Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
>> Greetings all,
>>
>> Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 2010, 
>> as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from straight 
>> addition of all roster entries.
>>
>> Our International members increased modestly, while our US members decreased 
>> by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 was the only 
>> US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year. Could that be 
>> because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise? Conventions could be a 
>> catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.
>>
>> Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 13 
>> in 2010.  Well done!
>>
>> I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Dave Hayes VE3JX
>> QCWA Life Member
>>
>> P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt to 
>> align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to view them 
>> that way.  -jx
>>
>>
>>
>> ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
>> -------------------------------------------
>>
>>          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>>          ----------  ----------  ----------
>>       All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>>
>>  Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
>>            1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
>>            2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
>>            3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
>>            4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
>>            5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
>>            6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
>>            7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
>>            8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
>>            9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456
>>
>>          2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>>          ----------  ----------  ----------
>> International -  442         462         474
>>
>>  Australia -      3           3           3
>>  Austria -        9           9           9
>>  Belgium -        2           2           2
>>  Brasil -         1           1           1
>>  Canada -       245         258         265
>>  Columbia -       0           1           1
>>  Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
>>  Denmark -        1           1           1
>>  Germany -      123         128         124
>>  Honduras -       1           1           1
>>  Hungary -        1           1           0
>>  Isle of Man -    1           1           1
>>  Israel -         4           4           5
>>  Italy -          2           2           2
>>  Japan -         26          25          28
>>  Kroatia -        1           1           1
>>  Netherlands -    1           1           1
>>  Norway -         1           1           1
>>  Paraguay -       1           1           1
>>  Poland -         2           2           2
>>  Russia -         2           2           2
>>  Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
>>  Sweden -         2           2           1
>>  Switzerland -    8           9          13
>>  Taiwan -         2           2           2
>>  United Kingdom - 1           1           2
>>
>> Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>> ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
>> All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>> International   442         462         474
>> --------------------------------------------
>> WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
>> --------------------------------------------
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> QCWA mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>>
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
> 


From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug  4 22:17:08 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:17:08 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Member honoured by ARRL
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP95676183B445814A6E82A883900@phx.gbl>

Greetings all,

I came across this item in the "Minutes of the 2010 Second Meeting of the ARRL Board of Directors":

"31. On motion of Mr. Sarratt, seconded by Mr. Isely, the following resolution was unanimously adopted with applause: 
Whereas, Norm Lauterette, WA4HYJ, has demonstrated outstanding volunteer public relations success on behalf of Amateur Radio at the local and regional levels; and 
Whereas, his numerous published articles both within and outside of the Amateur Radio community have enhanced Amateur Radio's support; and 
Whereas, he has fostered an environment that significantly increases public awareness of Amateur Radio through the effective use of local political and police relationships; and 
Whereas, his two videos "Citrus Chapter's 40th Anniversary" and "The 30 Years of LMARS" enhanced local clubs in his home area; and 
Whereas, his history of active promotion of Amateur Radio encompasses many years and includes print, audio, video, personal appearances, school presentations, volunteer services, and friendships within the community; 
Now, therefore, the ARRL Board of Directors, at the recommendation of the ARRL Public Relations Committee, awards the 2010 Philip J. McGan Silver Antenna Award to Norm Lauterette, WA4HYJ."

Congratulations Norm!  That first video mentioned is what caught my eye; I'll have to see it sometime!

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX

QCWA Life Member
ARRL Member
RAC Member

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug  4 22:33:16 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 22:33:16 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Member Jim Cross III WI3N Honoured by ARRL
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP75EDD6B9D47E422FA86AE783900@phx.gbl>

Greetings all,

According to the "Minutes of the 2010 Second Meeting of the ARRL Board of Directors", another QCWA member was honoured as follows:

"27. On motion of Mr. Edgar, seconded by Mr. Isely, it was unanimously voted (with applause) that the 2010 Knight Distinguished Service Award be awarded to James E. (Jim) Cross III, WI3N for his exemplary service as Section Manager of the MDC Section."

Congratulations Jim!  This is really something of which to be proud.

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX

QCWA Life Member
ARRL Member
RAC Member


From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Thu Aug  5 22:18:16 2010
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:18:16 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP575A29069516653D28B66583AF0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <165755.16380.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Dave........
?
I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain? questions come to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby??C.) Has? the Member gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are?difficult if not impossible to determine.
?
Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly predicated upon the majority of our Members?being more mature which in itself?seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the average Member is willing to put forth in?ensuring? a vibrant/enthusiastic organization.
?
As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests, my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just simply?"joiners" as?they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" of the QCWA.?And, there is nothing wrong with that.?But, if?we are to?grow, we need far more Members that are willing to be "active participants" at both the national and the?Chapter level.??
?
It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because the Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary attraction but also an array of other?attractions at QCWA Chapter?meetings such as?public speakers, technical presentations,videos, ?etc.
?
In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every QCWA Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!
?
Best regards,
?
Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
QCWA Natl' Director
?

--- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:


From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM


Greetings all,

Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.? All figures are from straight addition of all roster entries.

Our International members increased modestly, while our US members decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.? Call area 9 was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.? Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?? Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.

Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 13 in 2010.? Well done!

I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.

Sincerely, 

Dave Hayes VE3JX
QCWA Life Member

P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt to align all columns appropriately.? Hopefully, you will be able to view them that way.? -jx



***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
-------------------------------------------

? ? ? ? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
? ? ? ? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
? ? ???All US - 6469???US - 6333???US - 6127

? Call Area 0 -? 632? ???0 - 617? ???0 - 594
? ? ? ? ? ? 1 -? 488? ???1 - 466? ???1 - 439
? ? ? ? ? ? 2 -? 668? ???2 - 655? ???2 - 629
? ? ? ? ? ? 3 -? 524? ???3 - 520? ???3 - 504
? ? ? ? ? ? 4 -? 987? ???4 - 976? ???4 - 958
? ? ? ? ? ? 5 -? 752? ???5 - 744? ???5 - 714
? ? ? ? ? ? 6 -? 697? ???6 - 667? ???6 - 634
? ? ? ? ? ? 7 -? 577? ???7 - 568? ???7 - 542
? ? ? ? ? ? 8 -? 704? ???8 - 681? ???8 - 657
? ? ? ? ? ? 9 -? 440? ???9 - 439? ???9 - 456

? ? ? ? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
? ? ? ? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
International -? 442? ? ? ???462? ? ? ???474

? Australia -? ? ? 3? ? ? ? ???3? ? ? ? ???3
? Austria -? ? ? ? 9? ? ? ? ???9? ? ? ? ???9
? Belgium -? ? ? ? 2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? Brasil -? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Canada -? ? ???245? ? ? ???258? ? ? ???265
? Columbia -? ? ???0? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Czech Rep. -? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???3
? Denmark -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Germany -? ? ? 123? ? ? ???128? ? ? ???124
? Honduras -? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Hungary -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???0
? Isle of Man -? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Israel -? ? ? ???4? ? ? ? ???4? ? ? ? ???5
? Italy -? ? ? ? ? 2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? Japan -? ? ? ???26? ? ? ? ? 25? ? ? ? ? 28
? Kroatia -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Netherlands -? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Norway -? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Paraguay -? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
? Poland -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? Russia -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? Sri Lanka -? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? Sweden -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???1
? Switzerland -? ? 8? ? ? ? ???9? ? ? ? ? 13
? Taiwan -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
? United Kingdom - 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???2

Totals? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
------? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
All US? ? ? ???6469???US - 6333???US - 6127
International???442? ? ? ???462? ? ? ???474
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WORLDWIDE? ? ???6911? ? ? ? 6794? ? ? ? 6601
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug  6 11:37:52 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:37:52 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
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References: <165755.16380.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Val,

It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of Texas.

You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?" 

I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with B.  I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25 years that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.

As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is quite valid.

Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization, since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor associated with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will always be a major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop people from dying.

Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not being conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to have associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended for making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.

You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic organization."  

It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting, due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example, seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get off the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National levels, though, to pull it off.

"National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.  For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are already participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps, promotion at the National/International level would assist in getting more chapters and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on about youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it is decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common project to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as radio history preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.  

Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would be happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are contained in the Journal.

I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.

Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for yours.  

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Val Erwin 
  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX 
  Cc: QCWA GM 
  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


        Howdy Dave........

        I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain  questions come to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are difficult if not impossible to determine.

        Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly predicated upon the majority of our Members being more mature which in itself seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring  a vibrant/enthusiastic organization.

        As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests, my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just simply "joiners" as they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" of the QCWA. And, there is nothing wrong with that. But, if we are to grow, we need far more Members that are willing to be "active participants" at both the national and the Chapter level.  

        It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because the Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary attraction but also an array of other attractions at QCWA Chapter meetings such as public speakers, technical presentations,videos,  etc.

        In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every QCWA Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!

        Best regards,

        Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
        QCWA Natl' Director



        --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:


          From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
          Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
          To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
          Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
          Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM


          Greetings all,

          Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from straight addition of all roster entries.

          Our International members increased modestly, while our US members decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.  Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?  Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.

          Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!

          I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.

          Sincerely, 

          Dave Hayes VE3JX
          QCWA Life Member

          P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to view them that way.  -jx



          ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
          -------------------------------------------

                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
                    ----------  ----------  ----------
                 All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127

            Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
                      1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
                      2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
                      3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
                      4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
                      5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
                      6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
                      7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
                      8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
                      9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456

                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
                    ----------  ----------  ----------
          International -  442         462         474

            Australia -      3           3           3
            Austria -        9           9           9
            Belgium -        2           2           2
            Brasil -         1           1           1
            Canada -       245         258         265
            Columbia -       0           1           1
            Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
            Denmark -        1           1           1
            Germany -      123         128         124
            Honduras -       1           1           1
            Hungary -        1           1           0
            Isle of Man -    1           1           1
            Israel -         4           4           5
            Italy -          2           2           2
            Japan -         26          25          28
            Kroatia -        1           1           1
            Netherlands -    1           1           1
            Norway -         1           1           1
            Paraguay -       1           1           1
            Poland -         2           2           2
            Russia -         2           2           2
            Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
            Sweden -         2           2           1
            Switzerland -    8           9          13
            Taiwan -         2           2           2
            United Kingdom - 1           1           2

          Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
          ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
          All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
          International   442         462         474
          --------------------------------------------
          WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
          --------------------------------------------

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From rpmorgan at morganmarketingsolutions.com  Fri Aug  6 11:38:23 2010
From: rpmorgan at morganmarketingsolutions.com (Richard P. Morgan CMC, FIMC)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:38:23 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Roster Statistics
Message-ID: <8E8633527F0B4277B62C296932F79FFE@RichardPC>

Interesting statistics, however, the reduction in U.S. membership may have more to do with population demographics than QCWA membership. 
The aging of our U.S. population could account for a significant part of the average 2.6% drop. Changes such as 'baby boomer' years will show up and perhaps our ranks will begin to increase.
Still, it is concerning that there are only 6,000 QCWA members out of a total U.S. ham population of nearly 700,000 (0.9%). 
There are, no doubt, many eligible hams in the U.S. who do not know that QCWA exists. I was one of those until I happened to meet the president of our local chapter.

Dick Morgan K6RAH
Chapter 41, Dallas, TX

From rwpeters at swbell.net  Fri Aug  6 11:52:44 2010
From: rwpeters at swbell.net (Bob Peters)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:52:44 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP13216B00450E267F81755B83910@phx.gbl>
References: <165755.16380.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP13216B00450E267F81755B83910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <010a01cb357f$6915b4a0$3b411de0$@net>

Ya know what guys and gals you look at all the Sr organizations like VFW/
American Legion/ DAV ect ect they are all loosing membership... People are
just not joining and supporting like they used to... I try and support DAV
and QCWA... I talk to folks about both and they say what's in it for me!!!
The new vets coming home from WAR and injured just are not doing for DAV as
they used to... HAMS are not supporting HAMS like they used to... We all
know what the problem is...Everyone always has their hand out for money... I
get no less than 10 or 15 organizations monthly looking for
donations...Especially political... What do we do??? My main support is
ARRL. They were there for me at 16 years old and they are still there for me
at 67 years old...QCWA will always be on my list as well as DAV...

Very Best 73's
Bob Peters
W1PE

ARRL, QCWA, AM FOREVER

Money is only temporary, Radio is forever
>From The Old Dog



-----Original Message-----
From: qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Dave - VE3JX
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:38 AM
To: Val Erwin; QCWA Reflector
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics

Hi Val,

It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of Texas.

You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due
to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.)
Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?" 

I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with B.
I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25 years
that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.

As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that
is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is
quite valid.

Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization,
since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor associated
with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will always be a
major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop people from dying.

Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not being
conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to have
associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other
programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended for
making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.

You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and
that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average
Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic
organization."  

It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting,
due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example,
seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to
participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As
well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would
love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just
yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I
think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get off
the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National levels,
though, to pull it off.

"National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction
and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.
For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and
ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in
promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are already
participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps, promotion
at the National/International level would assist in getting more chapters
and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on about
youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it is
decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common project
to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as radio history
preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.  

Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be
actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would be
happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are
contained in the Journal.

I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the
Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well
done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.

Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for
yours.  

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Val Erwin 
  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX 
  Cc: QCWA GM 
  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


        Howdy Dave........

        I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those
statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain  questions come
to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to
renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member
gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are difficult if
not impossible to determine.

        Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly
predicated upon the majority of our Members being more mature which in
itself seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the
average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring  a vibrant/enthusiastic
organization.

        As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests,
my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just
simply "joiners" as they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" of
the QCWA. And, there is nothing wrong with that. But, if we are to grow, we
need far more Members that are willing to be "active participants" at both
the national and the Chapter level.  

        It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the
sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because the
Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and
fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that
Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary
attraction but also an array of other attractions at QCWA Chapter meetings
such as public speakers, technical presentations,videos,  etc.

        In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every QCWA
Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!

        Best regards,

        Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
        QCWA Natl' Director



        --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:


          From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
          Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
          To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
          Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
          Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM


          Greetings all,

          Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June
30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from
straight addition of all roster entries.

          Our International members increased modestly, while our US members
decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 was
the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.  Could
that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?  Conventions
could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.

          Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8
(2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!

          I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.

          Sincerely, 

          Dave Hayes VE3JX
          QCWA Life Member

          P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an
attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to
view them that way.  -jx



          ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
          -------------------------------------------

                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
                    ----------  ----------  ----------
                 All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127

            Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
                      1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
                      2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
                      3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
                      4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
                      5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
                      6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
                      7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
                      8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
                      9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456

                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
                    ----------  ----------  ----------
          International -  442         462         474

            Australia -      3           3           3
            Austria -        9           9           9
            Belgium -        2           2           2
            Brasil -         1           1           1
            Canada -       245         258         265
            Columbia -       0           1           1
            Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
            Denmark -        1           1           1
            Germany -      123         128         124
            Honduras -       1           1           1
            Hungary -        1           1           0
            Isle of Man -    1           1           1
            Israel -         4           4           5
            Italy -          2           2           2
            Japan -         26          25          28
            Kroatia -        1           1           1
            Netherlands -    1           1           1
            Norway -         1           1           1
            Paraguay -       1           1           1
            Poland -         2           2           2
            Russia -         2           2           2
            Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
            Sweden -         2           2           1
            Switzerland -    8           9          13
            Taiwan -         2           2           2
            United Kingdom - 1           1           2

          Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
          ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
          All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
          International   442         462         474
          --------------------------------------------
          WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
          --------------------------------------------

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From lstaples at kc.rr.com  Fri Aug  6 12:45:41 2010
From: lstaples at kc.rr.com (Larry Staples)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:45:41 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Membership Numbers
Message-ID: <E88E4345-8C19-4E02-A138-DE7E20A83619@kc.rr.com>

What is the purpose of QCWA?  Sure, the purposes are in Article One of the Constitution. Doesn't ARRL do this in spades?  

Don't qualified hams join chapters?  

Isn't a chapter really just another area club where there may already be too many clubs?

Why not check the chapters and see which have growth and which do not; figure out the formula for success; then build an association program around it? 

73,
 
Larry Staples - W0AIB
 
18557


From k5mrk at sbcglobal.net  Fri Aug  6 12:54:10 2010
From: k5mrk at sbcglobal.net (Mark)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:54:10 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4
References: <mailman.18134.1281109986.9697.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <180A806D65F94F7495D158269A9840A2@R45A>

I have join in the QCWA Chapter 63 for the last four yrs, but am not a 
member
because I do not have the yrs. as a ham to qualify for membership. I beleive
that if you were to start up a associate member until eligible to become a 
full
member you would have a lot more perticipent and I know I would be willing
to pay dues like a regular member.
Mark K5MRK
Oklahoma City, OK.




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> From: Val Erwin <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
> To: QCWA Reflector <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>, Dave - VE3JX
> <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> Cc: QCWA GM <qcwagm at rcn.com>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Howdy Dave........
> ?
> I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those statistics. When 
> I see declining membership numbers, certain? questions come to mind: A.) 
> Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew 
> membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby??C.) Has? the Member gone 
> SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are?difficult if not 
> impossible to determine.
> ?
> Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly predicated 
> upon the majority of our Members?being more mature which in itself?seems 
> to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the average Member 
> is willing to put forth in?ensuring? a vibrant/enthusiastic organization.
> ?
> As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests, my 
> experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just 
> simply?"joiners" as?they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" 
> of the QCWA.?And, there is nothing wrong with that.?But, if?we are 
> to?grow, we need far more Members that are willing to be "active 
> participants" at both the national and the?Chapter level.??
> ?
> It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the sole 
> purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because the 
> Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and 
> fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that 
> Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary 
> attraction but also an array of other?attractions at QCWA Chapter?meetings 
> such as?public speakers, technical presentations,videos, ?etc.
> ?
> In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every QCWA 
> Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!
> ?
> Best regards,
> ?
> Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
> QCWA Natl' Director
> ?
>
> --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
> To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>
>
> Greetings all,
>
> Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 30th, 
> 2010, as compared to the previous two years.? All figures are from 
> straight addition of all roster entries.
>
> Our International members increased modestly, while our US members 
> decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.? Call area 9 
> was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.? 
> Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?? 
> Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue 
> community.
>
> Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 (2008) to 
> 13 in 2010.? Well done!
>
> I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
> QCWA Life Member
>
> P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an attempt 
> to align all columns appropriately.? Hopefully, you will be able to view 
> them that way.? -jx
>
>
>
> ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
> -------------------------------------------
>
> ? ? ? ? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
> ? ? ? ? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
> ? ? ???All US - 6469???US - 6333???US - 6127
>
> ? Call Area 0 -? 632? ???0 - 617? ???0 - 594
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 1 -? 488? ???1 - 466? ???1 - 439
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 2 -? 668? ???2 - 655? ???2 - 629
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 3 -? 524? ???3 - 520? ???3 - 504
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 4 -? 987? ???4 - 976? ???4 - 958
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 5 -? 752? ???5 - 744? ???5 - 714
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 6 -? 697? ???6 - 667? ???6 - 634
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 7 -? 577? ???7 - 568? ???7 - 542
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 8 -? 704? ???8 - 681? ???8 - 657
> ? ? ? ? ? ? 9 -? 440? ???9 - 439? ???9 - 456
>
> ? ? ? ? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
> ? ? ? ? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
> International -? 442? ? ? ???462? ? ? ???474
>
> ? Australia -? ? ? 3? ? ? ? ???3? ? ? ? ???3
> ? Austria -? ? ? ? 9? ? ? ? ???9? ? ? ? ???9
> ? Belgium -? ? ? ? 2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? Brasil -? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Canada -? ? ???245? ? ? ???258? ? ? ???265
> ? Columbia -? ? ???0? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Czech Rep. -? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???3
> ? Denmark -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Germany -? ? ? 123? ? ? ???128? ? ? ???124
> ? Honduras -? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Hungary -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???0
> ? Isle of Man -? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Israel -? ? ? ???4? ? ? ? ???4? ? ? ? ???5
> ? Italy -? ? ? ? ? 2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? Japan -? ? ? ???26? ? ? ? ? 25? ? ? ? ? 28
> ? Kroatia -? ? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Netherlands -? ? 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Norway -? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Paraguay -? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Poland -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? Russia -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? Sri Lanka -? ? ? 1? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? Sweden -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???1
> ? Switzerland -? ? 8? ? ? ? ???9? ? ? ? ? 13
> ? Taiwan -? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2? ? ? ? ???2
> ? United Kingdom - 1? ? ? ? ???1? ? ? ? ???2
>
> Totals? ? 2008-06-30? 2009-06-30? 2010-06-30
> ------? ? ----------? ----------? ----------
> All US? ? ? ???6469???US - 6333???US - 6127
> International???442? ? ? ???462? ? ? ???474
> --------------------------------------------
> WORLDWIDE? ? ???6911? ? ? ? 6794? ? ? ? 6601
> --------------------------------------------
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:37:52 -0400
> From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
> To: "Val Erwin" <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>, "QCWA Reflector"
> <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Val,
>
> It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of 
> Texas.
>
> You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due 
> to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.) 
> Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?"
>
> I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with 
> B.  I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25 
> years that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.
>
> As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that 
> is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is 
> quite valid.
>
> Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization, 
> since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor 
> associated with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will 
> always be a major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop 
> people from dying.
>
> Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not 
> being conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to 
> have associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other 
> programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended 
> for making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.
>
> You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and 
> that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average 
> Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic 
> organization."
>
> It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting, 
> due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example, 
> seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to 
> participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As 
> well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would 
> love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just 
> yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I 
> think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get 
> off the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National 
> levels, though, to pull it off.
>
> "National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction 
> and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure. 
> For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and 
> ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in 
> promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are 
> already participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps, 
> promotion at the National/International level would assist in getting more 
> chapters and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on 
> about youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it 
> is decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common 
> project to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as 
> radio history preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.
>
> Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be 
> actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would 
> be happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are 
> contained in the Journal.
>
> I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the 
> Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well 
> done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.
>
> Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for 
> yours.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Val Erwin
>  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX
>  Cc: QCWA GM
>  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
>
>        Howdy Dave........
>
>        I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those 
> statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain  questions 
> come to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the 
> organization/failure to renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the 
> hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those 
> questions are difficult if not impossible to determine.
>
>        Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly 
> predicated upon the majority of our Members being more mature which in 
> itself seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the 
> average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring  a vibrant/enthusiastic 
> organization.
>
>        As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests, 
> my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just 
> simply "joiners" as they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" 
> of the QCWA. And, there is nothing wrong with that. But, if we are to 
> grow, we need far more Members that are willing to be "active 
> participants" at both the national and the Chapter level.
>
>        It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the 
> sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because 
> the Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer 
> and fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital 
> that Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary 
> attraction but also an array of other attractions at QCWA Chapter meetings 
> such as public speakers, technical presentations,videos,  etc.
>
>        In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every 
> QCWA Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the 
> year!
>
>        Best regards,
>
>        Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
>        QCWA Natl' Director
>
>
>
>        --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>          From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
>          Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>          To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
>          Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
>          Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>
>
>          Greetings all,
>
>          Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June 
> 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from 
> straight addition of all roster entries.
>
>          Our International members increased modestly, while our US 
> members decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call 
> area 9 was the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this 
> year.  Could that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise? 
> Conventions could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue 
> community.
>
>          Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8 
> (2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!
>
>          I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>
>          Sincerely,
>
>          Dave Hayes VE3JX
>          QCWA Life Member
>
>          P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in 
> an attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be 
> able to view them that way.  -jx
>
>
>
>          ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
>          -------------------------------------------
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>                 All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>
>            Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
>                      1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
>                      2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
>                      3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
>                      4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
>                      5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
>                      6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
>                      7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
>                      8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
>                      9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          International -  442         462         474
>
>            Australia -      3           3           3
>            Austria -        9           9           9
>            Belgium -        2           2           2
>            Brasil -         1           1           1
>            Canada -       245         258         265
>            Columbia -       0           1           1
>            Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
>            Denmark -        1           1           1
>            Germany -      123         128         124
>            Honduras -       1           1           1
>            Hungary -        1           1           0
>            Isle of Man -    1           1           1
>            Israel -         4           4           5
>            Italy -          2           2           2
>            Japan -         26          25          28
>            Kroatia -        1           1           1
>            Netherlands -    1           1           1
>            Norway -         1           1           1
>            Paraguay -       1           1           1
>            Poland -         2           2           2
>            Russia -         2           2           2
>            Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
>            Sweden -         2           2           1
>            Switzerland -    8           9          13
>            Taiwan -         2           2           2
>            United Kingdom - 1           1           2
>
>          Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>          ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>          International   442         462         474
>          --------------------------------------------
>          WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
>          --------------------------------------------
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:38:23 -0500
> From: "Richard P. Morgan CMC, FIMC"
> <rpmorgan at morganmarketingsolutions.com>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] Roster Statistics
> To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <8E8633527F0B4277B62C296932F79FFE at RichardPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Interesting statistics, however, the reduction in U.S. membership may have 
> more to do with population demographics than QCWA membership.
> The aging of our U.S. population could account for a significant part of 
> the average 2.6% drop. Changes such as 'baby boomer' years will show up 
> and perhaps our ranks will begin to increase.
> Still, it is concerning that there are only 6,000 QCWA members out of a 
> total U.S. ham population of nearly 700,000 (0.9%).
> There are, no doubt, many eligible hams in the U.S. who do not know that 
> QCWA exists. I was one of those until I happened to meet the president of 
> our local chapter.
>
> Dick Morgan K6RAH
> Chapter 41, Dallas, TX
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 10:52:44 -0500
> From: "Bob Peters" <rwpeters at swbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
> To: "'Dave - VE3JX'" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>, "'Val Erwin'"
> <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>, "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <010a01cb357f$6915b4a0$3b411de0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Ya know what guys and gals you look at all the Sr organizations like VFW/
> American Legion/ DAV ect ect they are all loosing membership... People are
> just not joining and supporting like they used to... I try and support DAV
> and QCWA... I talk to folks about both and they say what's in it for me!!!
> The new vets coming home from WAR and injured just are not doing for DAV 
> as
> they used to... HAMS are not supporting HAMS like they used to... We all
> know what the problem is...Everyone always has their hand out for money... 
> I
> get no less than 10 or 15 organizations monthly looking for
> donations...Especially political... What do we do??? My main support is
> ARRL. They were there for me at 16 years old and they are still there for 
> me
> at 67 years old...QCWA will always be on my list as well as DAV...
>
> Very Best 73's
> Bob Peters
> W1PE
>
> ARRL, QCWA, AM FOREVER
>
> Money is only temporary, Radio is forever
>>From The Old Dog
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] 
> On
> Behalf Of Dave - VE3JX
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: Val Erwin; QCWA Reflector
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
> Hi Val,
>
> It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of 
> Texas.
>
> You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due
> to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.)
> Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?"
>
> I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with 
> B.
> I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25 years
> that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.
>
> As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that
> is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is
> quite valid.
>
> Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization,
> since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor 
> associated
> with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will always be 
> a
> major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop people from 
> dying.
>
> Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not 
> being
> conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to have
> associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other
> programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended 
> for
> making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.
>
> You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and
> that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average
> Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic
> organization."
>
> It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting,
> due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example,
> seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to
> participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As
> well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would
> love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just
> yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I
> think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get 
> off
> the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National levels,
> though, to pull it off.
>
> "National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction
> and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.
> For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and
> ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in
> promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are 
> already
> participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps, 
> promotion
> at the National/International level would assist in getting more chapters
> and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on about
> youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it is
> decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common 
> project
> to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as radio 
> history
> preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.
>
> Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be
> actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would 
> be
> happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are
> contained in the Journal.
>
> I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the
> Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well
> done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.
>
> Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for
> yours.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Val Erwin
>  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX
>  Cc: QCWA GM
>  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
>
>        Howdy Dave........
>
>        I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those
> statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain  questions 
> come
> to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to
> renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member
> gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are difficult if
> not impossible to determine.
>
>        Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly
> predicated upon the majority of our Members being more mature which in
> itself seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the
> average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring  a vibrant/enthusiastic
> organization.
>
>        As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests,
> my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just
> simply "joiners" as they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" 
> of
> the QCWA. And, there is nothing wrong with that. But, if we are to grow, 
> we
> need far more Members that are willing to be "active participants" at both
> the national and the Chapter level.
>
>        It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the
> sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because 
> the
> Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and
> fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that
> Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary
> attraction but also an array of other attractions at QCWA Chapter meetings
> such as public speakers, technical presentations,videos,  etc.
>
>        In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every 
> QCWA
> Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!
>
>        Best regards,
>
>        Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
>        QCWA Natl' Director
>
>
>
>        --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>          From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
>          Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>          To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
>          Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
>          Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>
>
>          Greetings all,
>
>          Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June
> 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from
> straight addition of all roster entries.
>
>          Our International members increased modestly, while our US 
> members
> decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 
> was
> the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year. 
> Could
> that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?  Conventions
> could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.
>
>          Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8
> (2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!
>
>          I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>
>          Sincerely,
>
>          Dave Hayes VE3JX
>          QCWA Life Member
>
>          P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in 
> an
> attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able 
> to
> view them that way.  -jx
>
>
>
>          ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
>          -------------------------------------------
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>                 All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>
>            Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
>                      1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
>                      2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
>                      3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
>                      4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
>                      5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
>                      6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
>                      7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
>                      8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
>                      9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          International -  442         462         474
>
>            Australia -      3           3           3
>            Austria -        9           9           9
>            Belgium -        2           2           2
>            Brasil -         1           1           1
>            Canada -       245         258         265
>            Columbia -       0           1           1
>            Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
>            Denmark -        1           1           1
>            Germany -      123         128         124
>            Honduras -       1           1           1
>            Hungary -        1           1           0
>            Isle of Man -    1           1           1
>            Israel -         4           4           5
>            Italy -          2           2           2
>            Japan -         26          25          28
>            Kroatia -        1           1           1
>            Netherlands -    1           1           1
>            Norway -         1           1           1
>            Paraguay -       1           1           1
>            Poland -         2           2           2
>            Russia -         2           2           2
>            Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
>            Sweden -         2           2           1
>            Switzerland -    8           9          13
>            Taiwan -         2           2           2
>            United Kingdom - 1           1           2
>
>          Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>          ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>          International   442         462         474
>          --------------------------------------------
>          WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
>          --------------------------------------------
>
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug  6 13:19:56 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 13:19:56 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
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Hi Bob,

Absolutely true.  Senior organizations are having a tough time of it.

Many seniors have very little discretionary income, so they have to pick &
choose carefully.  Cost is a big factor.  The ARRL for Americans, and RAC for
Canadians, are the representative organizations in our countries, and, as such,
should be supported by all those who value our privileges.  They are, in my
view, "must-joins".

QCWA falls into the "optional" category, as do many other ham associations.
People join QCWA if they so "desire".  Therefore, we (QCWA) have to provide the
"desirability" factor to encourage their membership, while maintaining our
raison d'etre.  How do we do that?  That's the $64K question, isn't it?

Thanks Bob.

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX

QCWA Life Member
ARRL Member
RAC Member

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Peters" <rwpeters at swbell.net>
To: "'Dave - VE3JX'" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>; "'Val Erwin'"
<dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>; "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: RE: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


> Ya know what guys and gals you look at all the Sr organizations like VFW/
> American Legion/ DAV ect ect they are all loosing membership... People are
> just not joining and supporting like they used to... I try and support DAV
> and QCWA... I talk to folks about both and they say what's in it for me!!!
> The new vets coming home from WAR and injured just are not doing for DAV as
> they used to... HAMS are not supporting HAMS like they used to... We all
> know what the problem is...Everyone always has their hand out for money... I
> get no less than 10 or 15 organizations monthly looking for
> donations...Especially political... What do we do??? My main support is
> ARRL. They were there for me at 16 years old and they are still there for me
> at 67 years old...QCWA will always be on my list as well as DAV...
>
> Very Best 73's
> Bob Peters
> W1PE
>
> ARRL, QCWA, AM FOREVER
>
> Money is only temporary, Radio is forever
> From The Old Dog
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:qcwa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
> Behalf Of Dave - VE3JX
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 10:38 AM
> To: Val Erwin; QCWA Reflector
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
> Hi Val,
>
> It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of Texas.
>
> You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due
> to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.)
> Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?"
>
> I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with B.
> I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25 years
> that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.
>
> As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that
> is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is
> quite valid.
>
> Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization,
> since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor associated
> with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will always be a
> major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop people from dying.
>
> Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not being
> conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to have
> associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other
> programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended for
> making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.
>
> You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and
> that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average
> Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic
> organization."
>
> It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting,
> due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example,
> seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to
> participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As
> well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would
> love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just
> yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I
> think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get off
> the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National levels,
> though, to pull it off.
>
> "National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction
> and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.
> For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and
> ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in
> promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are already
> participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps, promotion
> at the National/International level would assist in getting more chapters
> and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on about
> youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it is
> decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common project
> to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as radio history
> preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.
>
> Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be
> actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would be
> happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are
> contained in the Journal.
>
> I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the
> Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well
> done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.
>
> Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for
> yours.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
>
>
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: Val Erwin
>  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX
>  Cc: QCWA GM
>  Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 10:18 PM
>  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
>
>        Howdy Dave........
>
>        I appreciate all your hard work in putting together those
> statistics. When I see declining membership numbers, certain  questions come
> to mind: A.) Is it due to loss of interest in the organization/failure to
> renew membership? B.) Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member
> gone SK? ........Of course the answers to those questions are difficult if
> not impossible to determine.
>
>        Of course, the very existence of our organization is seemingly
> predicated upon the majority of our Members being more mature which in
> itself seems to be inversely proportional to the energy level that the
> average Member is willing to put forth in ensuring  a vibrant/enthusiastic
> organization.
>
>        As one that attends and works many QCWA tables at various hamfests,
> my experience has been that there are far more of our midst that are just
> simply "joiners" as they want to proudly declare that they are "Members" of
> the QCWA. And, there is nothing wrong with that. But, if we are to grow, we
> need far more Members that are willing to be "active participants" at both
> the national and the Chapter level.
>
>        It is my personal feeling that a QCWA Chapter that meets for the
> sole purpose of eating is destined to a slow death. Why?........Because the
> Members will quickly realize they can eat anywhere and over time fewer and
> fewer Members will show up at the meetings!...............It is vital that
> Chapters keep the Members interest by not only providing the culinary
> attraction but also an array of other attractions at QCWA Chapter meetings
> such as public speakers, technical presentations,videos,  etc.
>
>        In closing, I would like to issue a personal challenge to every QCWA
> Member: Go out and recruit just one Member before the end of the year!
>
>        Best regards,
>
>        Val L. Erwin / W5PUT
>        QCWA Natl' Director
>
>
>
>        --- On Wed, 8/4/10, Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>          From: Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
>          Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>          To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
>          Cc: "QCWA GM" <qcwagm at rcn.com>
>          Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2010, 4:04 PM
>
>
>          Greetings all,
>
>          Below is a Statistical Presentation of the new Roster dated June
> 30th, 2010, as compared to the previous two years.  All figures are from
> straight addition of all roster entries.
>
>          Our International members increased modestly, while our US members
> decreased by over 200 from last year, and by 342 from 2008.  Call area 9 was
> the only US area to increase, going from 440 (2008) to 456 this year.  Could
> that be because of interest in hosting the Convention Cruise?  Conventions
> could be a catalyst for membership increase in the venue community.
>
>          Canada increased by 20 since 2008, and Switzerland went from 8
> (2008) to 13 in 2010.  Well done!
>
>          I'd like to hear your input and analysis on the figures below.
>
>          Sincerely,
>
>          Dave Hayes VE3JX
>          QCWA Life Member
>
>          P.S. The layout was done with Courier as the font of choice, in an
> attempt to align all columns appropriately.  Hopefully, you will be able to
> view them that way.  -jx
>
>
>
>          ***QCWA Roster Statistics/Members Totals***
>          -------------------------------------------
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>                 All US - 6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>
>            Call Area 0 -  632     0 - 617     0 - 594
>                      1 -  488     1 - 466     1 - 439
>                      2 -  668     2 - 655     2 - 629
>                      3 -  524     3 - 520     3 - 504
>                      4 -  987     4 - 976     4 - 958
>                      5 -  752     5 - 744     5 - 714
>                      6 -  697     6 - 667     6 - 634
>                      7 -  577     7 - 568     7 - 542
>                      8 -  704     8 - 681     8 - 657
>                      9 -  440     9 - 439     9 - 456
>
>                    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>                    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          International -  442         462         474
>
>            Australia -      3           3           3
>            Austria -        9           9           9
>            Belgium -        2           2           2
>            Brasil -         1           1           1
>            Canada -       245         258         265
>            Columbia -       0           1           1
>            Czech Rep. -     1           1           3
>            Denmark -        1           1           1
>            Germany -      123         128         124
>            Honduras -       1           1           1
>            Hungary -        1           1           0
>            Isle of Man -    1           1           1
>            Israel -         4           4           5
>            Italy -          2           2           2
>            Japan -         26          25          28
>            Kroatia -        1           1           1
>            Netherlands -    1           1           1
>            Norway -         1           1           1
>            Paraguay -       1           1           1
>            Poland -         2           2           2
>            Russia -         2           2           2
>            Sri Lanka -      1           2           2
>            Sweden -         2           2           1
>            Switzerland -    8           9          13
>            Taiwan -         2           2           2
>            United Kingdom - 1           1           2
>
>          Totals    2008-06-30  2009-06-30  2010-06-30
>          ------    ----------  ----------  ----------
>          All US         6469   US - 6333   US - 6127
>          International   442         462         474
>          --------------------------------------------
>          WORLDWIDE       6911        6794        6601
>          --------------------------------------------
>
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From dave at nf2g.com  Fri Aug  6 13:33:49 2010
From: dave at nf2g.com (David T. Stark)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:33:49 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Decreasing membership
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18134.1281109986.9697.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.18134.1281109986.9697.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C5C477D.8090503@nf2g.com>

Simple mathematics explains the attrition.  Any organization that relies 
upon or expects endless growth is facing an impossible situation under 
normal circumstances.  The situation in the USA is not really normal.

The Baby Boom caused accelerated growth in just about everything.  The 
aging and retirement of Boomers fed growth in all of the "senior" 
organizations.  There is no similar population wave to follow, so all of 
the organizations that benefited from the arrival of the Baby Boom will 
also suffer losses due to its departure.  There won't be another "boom" 
like that.

QCWA et al need to get used to the simple fact that membership rosters 
will never be as swollen as they have been recently.

David T. Stark, Forensic Scannist
M.A. Criminal Justice / ACJS / ISI / CJEANYS
ARES / RACES / Skywarn / IRESC / QCWA / ARRL-VE
NF2G (ex-N2CSB, KYR-7128, KNY2DJ, RCMA NY-172, NYSING-01, IBN-289)
FEMA certifications: IS-100, 200, 700, 800


From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Aug  6 13:54:55 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:54:55 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP75BF4A66DB9381912D352F83910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100806125455.OGV7M.706200.root@Web02>

Declining membership?
What a surprise...

I've been continuously licensed since 1967 yet I've never been made to feel welcome
by the older members of the QCWA. 

Sorry folks, I'm only 56, that leaves me out of having served time in WWII.

Nor do I appreciate being referred to as an extra-lite because I didn't prove to the FCC
that I can send and receive Morse code at 21 WPM.

Now, let's see, some quick math here... 2010 - 25 = 1985. A lot of things have both
happened and changed since 1945. But still I feel as though I'm being held to an
unreasonable standard for acceptance into an "Old Boys Club."

Now suddenly there is a "We're losing membership numbers." There is a large pool
of people that have been licensed prior to 1985, yet where are they? Have they
all been chased off as not being "real enough" to qualify in some secret cabal?

The requirements aren't that difficult. "If you hold a current amateur radio license
and you were licensed, as a ham, 25 years ago or more, you are eligible to join
QCWA." You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is
everybody?

Jeff
wa6fwi
QCWA lifer

--
Fox's Mercantile, Ranger TX

From n2rq at optonline.net  Fri Aug  6 13:18:48 2010
From: n2rq at optonline.net (L M)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 13:18:48 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
References: <165755.16380.qm@web83402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<BLU0-SMTP13216B00450E267F81755B83910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <005801cb3593$dd504100$6401a8c0@D81MNR41>

Hi Dave, Val, et al.,

I cannot help but to put in a plug for a youth activity that I have been
promoting and administering for more than 25 years - the School Club Roundup
(SCR).

It would be nice to hear from local chapters and individual that are using
the SCR promote amateur radio.  If you are not familiar with SCR you can
find info at WWW.ARRL.ORG/school-club-roundup-scr.  (The page is a work in
progress).  We have an email group: SCR-L at yahoogroups.com. There are two
sessions/year; one in the 3rd week of October and one in the 2nd week of
February.  The next session is October 18-22, 2010.

Although I am a life member, I have never been involved with my local
chapter.  In my working years, they met during the day while I was at work.
More recently, I found that most of the members I knew are either SK or
moved away.

73,
Lew
n2rq at arrl.net



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
To: "Val Erwin" <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>; "QCWA Reflector"
<QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


> Hi Val,
>
> It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of
> Texas.
>
> You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it due
> to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.)
> Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?"
>
> I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with
> B.  I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25
> years that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.
>
> As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals that
> is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is
> quite valid.
>
> Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization,
> since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor
> associated with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's will
> always be a major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop
> people from dying.
>
> Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not
> being conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to
> have associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other
> programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended
> for making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.
>
> You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature" and
> that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average
> Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic
> organization."
>
> It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a meeting,
> due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for example,
> seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to
> participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As
> well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would
> love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture just
> yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I
> think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get
> off the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National
> levels, though, to pull it off.
>
> "National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction
> and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.
> For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and
> ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in
> promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are
> already participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.  Perhaps,
> promotion at the National/International level would assist in getting more
> chapters and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going on
> about youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once it
> is decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common
> project to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as
> radio history preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.
>
> Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be
> actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would
> be happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are
> contained in the Journal.
>
> I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in the
> Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.  Well
> done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.
>
> Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for
> yours.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
>
> 



From ronalderickson777 at gmail.com  Fri Aug  6 15:47:29 2010
From: ronalderickson777 at gmail.com (Ronald Erickson)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:47:29 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <005801cb3593$dd504100$6401a8c0@D81MNR41>
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Hi Dave, Val, et al,

I have tried to get old time friends to join to no avail.  Some people are
limited in their interests and operating activities.  It is a good idea to
try as you never know.

I was licensed at age 18 but would have been licensed younger if I could
have.  I did do the 20 WPM CW thing in 1979.  I have short term memory
problems so I never have been able to work CW in my head like I would like
to.  I have electronic aids to help with that but it is not the same.  I had
QRM zeroing in on 80 meters CW and QRN now here in town so I only work SSB
there as 75 meters is not as messed up.  Some day I might have a remote site
on the family farm east of town.  Some say one should not work more than
25-watts in town.  I have a Clipperton-L amplifier, some day I might try and
how bad the RFI situation is with 1500-watts out?  It should not be too bad
with almost all on satellite and cable.  I think I am the only soul in town
receiving digital TV over the air.  We are around 50 miles from the TV
stations.

73,

Ron, K0IC

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:18 PM, L M <n2rq at optonline.net> wrote:

> Hi Dave, Val, et al.,
>
> I cannot help but to put in a plug for a youth activity that I have been
> promoting and administering for more than 25 years - the School Club
> Roundup
> (SCR).
>
> It would be nice to hear from local chapters and individual that are using
> the SCR promote amateur radio.  If you are not familiar with SCR you can
> find info at WWW.ARRL.ORG/school-club-roundup-scr.  (The page is a work in
> progress).  We have an email group: SCR-L at yahoogroups.com. There are two
> sessions/year; one in the 3rd week of October and one in the 2nd week of
> February.  The next session is October 18-22, 2010.
>
> Although I am a life member, I have never been involved with my local
> chapter.  In my working years, they met during the day while I was at work.
> More recently, I found that most of the members I knew are either SK or
> moved away.
>
> 73,
> Lew
> n2rq at arrl.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> To: "Val Erwin" <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>; "QCWA Reflector"
> <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 11:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
>
>
> > Hi Val,
> >
> > It was great to hear from you.  Hope all is well in the big state of
> > Texas.
> >
> > You mentioned, WRT declining membership, certain questions: "A.) Is it
> due
> > to loss of interest in the organization/failure to renew membership? B.)
> > Loss of interest in the hobby? C.) Has  the Member gone SK?"
> >
> > I think there is a measure of truth behind A and C, but not so much with
> > B.  I would hope that, if a person has stuck with the hobby for over 25
> > years that their interest would not peter out after joining QCWA.
> >
> > As far as A is concerned, Chuck commented: "it's the loss of renewals
> that
> > is most troubling" in reference to this membership decrease.  So, "A" is
> > quite valid.
> >
> > Question "C" highlights why we have to always be a growing organization,
> > since a significant number of Silent Keys will always be a factor
> > associated with QCWA.  We are a "senior" association; therefore, SK's
> will
> > always be a major membership normal attrition factor.  We can't stop
> > people from dying.
> >
> > Your comments WRT some Chapter meetings just being meals, and that not
> > being conducent to growth, is well taken.  Many Chapters, though, seem to
> > have associated, with their meal venue, technical presentations and other
> > programs that are much appreciated.  Those chapters are to be commended
> > for making the experience more than just a strain on the waistline.
> >
> > You made a point about "the majority of our Members being more mature"
> and
> > that was " inversely proportional to the energy level that the average
> > Member is willing to put forth in ensuring a vibrant/enthusiastic
> > organization."
> >
> > It is no doubt true that some members can barely make it out to a
> meeting,
> > due to their advanced age.  However, my experience, with ARES for
> example,
> > seems to indicate that it is the "older crowd" that you can depend on to
> > participate in exercises and projects, as well as social functions.  As
> > well, we do have a number of members that are "younger seniors" and would
> > love something useful to do; they don't want to be put out to pasture
> just
> > yet.  And so, if a Chapter is active with various projects or programs, I
> > think there would be lots of support and interest, once these things get
> > off the ground.  It takes leadership at both the Chapter and National
> > levels, though, to pull it off.
> >
> > "National" projects may give the whole organization some active direction
> > and stimulate interest among QCWA members throughout the whole structure.
> > For example, I believe that there was a commitment made by QCWA and
> > ARNewsline to foster a youth mentoring program.  Could we do more in
> > promoting this on a National/International level?  Some Chapters are
> > already participating in youth educational (ham radio) programs.
>  Perhaps,
> > promotion at the National/International level would assist in getting
> more
> > chapters and people involved in that.  I know discussion has been going
> on
> > about youth education and QCWA's possible increased role in this.  Once
> it
> > is decided how best QCWA can participate in this, we may have a common
> > project to promote for all chapters to share in.  Other ideas, such as
> > radio history preservation, might be good as a "National" project also.
> >
> > Whatever National/International project(s) we come up with need to be
> > actively promoted and "advertised".  In my role of WRO columnist, I would
> > be happy to assist in this, adding to whatever promotional materials are
> > contained in the Journal.
> >
> > I understand Val, from what I've observed in the "New Members" page in
> the
> > Journal, that you are exceptionally adept in signing up new members.
>  Well
> > done!  Now, we just have to close the back door in order to grow.
> >
> > Some random thoughts from the bitter end of I-75.  Thank you so much for
> > yours.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Dave Hayes VE3JX
> >
> >
>
>
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From w2as at earthlink.net  Fri Aug  6 16:36:48 2010
From: w2as at earthlink.net (W2AS)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:36:48 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <20100806125455.OGV7M.706200.root@Web02>
References: <20100806125455.OGV7M.706200.root@Web02>
Message-ID: <865613BBBE48439B9C1DD311C1C9BF51@ALPC>


I want to respond to WA6FWI's comments regarding his bad experiences with 
some of our members; I do not doubt his assertions but I do believe they can 
be overcome.  To begin with what he claims cannot be representative of all 
our members--perhaps just a few.  Solution: look for another group or 
Chapter.  I might remind him that things could be worse--when they call for 
"Old Business" at our meetings, everyone looks to me.  Seriously, I can only 
comment on our Chapter but I cannot and will not believe that we are the 
only one within the National (and International) QCWA.  We welcome all hams 
and guests to our monthly and quarterly meetings as well as welcoming all 
licensees to join on our weekly net.  Some of our WW II Vets and cw 
operators are getting on in years and I am proud to say that some of our 56 
year olds (and younger) are assisting them in their amateur radio 
requirements, transportation, etc.  We know that we need each other in order 
to survive.  Another solution might be to run for local office (or start 
another chapter).  We need young leadership although some younger members 
still work; I was able to do both and just retired about two years ago.  I 
think leadership is a big  part of the answer; In conclusion, if all else 
fails, pack up and move to Central Florida, join us and your problems will 
be over.  73.  AL, W2AS, President, Chapter 45, QCWA
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jangus at suddenlink.net>
To: "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


> Declining membership?
> What a surprise...
>
> I've been continuously licensed since 1967 yet I've never been made to 
> feel welcome
> by the older members of the QCWA.
>
> Sorry folks, I'm only 56, that leaves me out of having served time in 
> WWII.
>
> Nor do I appreciate being referred to as an extra-lite because I didn't 
> prove to the FCC
> that I can send and receive Morse code at 21 WPM.
>
> Now, let's see, some quick math here... 2010 - 25 = 1985. A lot of things 
> have both
> happened and changed since 1945. But still I feel as though I'm being held 
> to an
> unreasonable standard for acceptance into an "Old Boys Club."
>
> Now suddenly there is a "We're losing membership numbers." There is a 
> large pool
> of people that have been licensed prior to 1985, yet where are they? Have 
> they
> all been chased off as not being "real enough" to qualify in some secret 
> cabal?
>
> The requirements aren't that difficult. "If you hold a current amateur 
> radio license
> and you were licensed, as a ham, 25 years ago or more, you are eligible to 
> join
> QCWA." You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is
> everybody?
>
> Jeff
> wa6fwi
> QCWA lifer
>
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From matt.tinker at enduroscope.com  Fri Aug  6 16:54:34 2010
From: matt.tinker at enduroscope.com (Matt Tinker)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 16:54:34 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Membership Numbers
In-Reply-To: <E88E4345-8C19-4E02-A138-DE7E20A83619@kc.rr.com>
References: <E88E4345-8C19-4E02-A138-DE7E20A83619@kc.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20100806205431.E4B0C75805A@smtpauth00.csee.onr.siteprotect.com>

Here ya go Larry.......you are right most of the Chapters are social 
diner clubs with little or no interest to the majority of us who are 
active Ham Radio operators.  Here in our chapter we have heard it all 
from why should I join, and pay way too much for a journal that is 
not really interesting or in the 21st century, what does the QCWA do 
on a national scene, except run a so-so QSO party twice a year 
???  There are a lot of us in the 45-60 year old bracket that are not 
very welcome in the inner circles of the QCWA, and our ideas are not 
welcome, too radical ??? Well, the membership totals tell the 
story....why do we have to have a cruise every two years for the 
privilaged few that can afford it or have to work ???  Maybe the QCWA 
needs to have a Sectional approach as does the ARRL, and have 
regional or state coordiators that can energize the local existing 
chapters, and create new ones that are active with DX, APRS, Fox 
Hunting to name a few ???  I guess that is way to radical for the 
folks in charge....the power would have to be shared locally, and 
maybe the numbers would go up??? food for thought ............Matt Tinker AA4XA


At 12:45 PM 08/06/2010, Larry Staples wrote:
>What is the purpose of QCWA?  Sure, the purposes are in Article One 
>of the Constitution. Doesn't ARRL do this in spades?
>
>Don't qualified hams join chapters?
>
>Isn't a chapter really just another area club where there may 
>already be too many clubs?
>
>Why not check the chapters and see which have growth and which do 
>not; figure out the formula for success; then build an association 
>program around it?
>
>73,
>
>Larry Staples - W0AIB
>
>18557
>
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From jangus at suddenlink.net  Fri Aug  6 17:21:19 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 16:21:19 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <865613BBBE48439B9C1DD311C1C9BF51@ALPC>
Message-ID: <20100806162119.PGKIE.167949.root@Web04>

W2AS <w2as at earthlink.net> wrote: 
> I want to respond to WA6FWI's comments regarding his bad experiences with 
> some of our members; I do not doubt his assertions but I do believe they can 
> be overcome.  To begin with what he claims cannot be representative of all 
> our members--perhaps just a few.

Actually, and I don't want to sound totally negative about this, but the problem
isn't just within the QCWA, but appears in the general amateur population as well.

That being said, I have a suggestion. Actively try and recruit the "new guys".
They're in their 40's now and probably have kids of their own. If they are interested
enough in amateur radio to want to join the QCWA, they would probably want
their kids to get involved in amateur radio as well.

To accomplish that, stop making belonging to the QCWA a contest of who's been
at it longer than everyone else and acknowledge the accomplishments of the new
guys as well. (Hint: Potentially, the youngest candidates for the QCWA may
NEVER have touched a code key. Stop acting as if they have leprosy.)

Now to tell you the truth, I honestly hope that I make it to 80-90 years old and one
day get my picture in the journal accepting a plaque of some sort. But the journal
and the membership at large has to realize there are plenty of people involved in
amateur radio that are between the ages of 40-80 and find a way to appeal to
them as well.

Jeff
wa6fwi

--
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From ronf404 at aol.com  Fri Aug  6 18:02:40 2010
From: ronf404 at aol.com (Ron Fish)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:02:40 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Membership
In-Reply-To: <mailman.18149.1281114053.9697.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.18149.1281114053.9697.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <8CD03CA38F1890C-1F58-484E@webmail-m025.sysops.aol.com>




Message: 2
ate: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 11:54:10 -0500
rom: "Mark" <k5mrk at sbcglobal.net>
ubject: Re: [QCWA] QCWA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 4
o: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
essage-ID: <180A806D65F94F7495D158269A9840A2 at R45A>
ontent-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
   reply-type=original
I have join in the QCWA Chapter 63 for the last four yrs, but am not a 
ember
ecause I do not have the yrs. as a ham to qualify for membership. I beleive
hat if you were to start up a associate member until eligible to become a 
ull
ember you would have a lot more perticipent and I know I would be willing
o pay dues like a regular member.
ark K5MRK
klahoma City, OK.

Mark,
I don't see a need for this.  You are able to participate in any QCWA activities without being a dues-paying member, as you know. 
What would an associate member category accomplish?  The only thing you can't do and I can is be a chapter officer or vote in
annual elections.
I was happy to wait until I had my years of service and then join QCWA.  The organization was established expressly for hams
licensed 25 years.  We all waited for that milestone.

Ron Fish, KX1W, #29983, Life
Middletown, NY



From groach at storm.ca  Fri Aug  6 20:49:52 2010
From: groach at storm.ca (George/Frances)
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 20:49:52 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Fall QSO Party -2010  (54th year)
Message-ID: <132e5d5a74c75d7c8ef9317557f9b8c6.squirrel@home.storm.ca>

Its just about a month away from our Fall QSO Party.
(September 18 & 19.) Starting time 1800Z for 24 hours.

The results of the Spring Party have just been posted
on www.qcwa.org   See the home page. If your name appears
there thank you for participating and sending in a log.
If it doesn't come join us in September.

QCWA just awarded Ed Redington Jr. W3NZ/NC4ER his "Worked
a hundres members" operating award. Eds contacts were
mostly made during the 2009 and 2010 QSO Parties. Give
it a try.

Regards

George- VE3BNO
Activities Manager




From ad7gr at live.com  Fri Aug  6 21:03:23 2010
From: ad7gr at live.com (AD7GR)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:03:23 -0700
Subject: [QCWA] Membership discussion
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP29665E9783FBE84E956F2D84920@phx.gbl>


From harvey91 at windstream.net  Sat Aug  7 11:14:17 2010
From: harvey91 at windstream.net (Harvey Chase)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 11:14:17 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Membership Discussion
Message-ID: <11CDAC8302E24110BD96968BB94FE20C@bhb33e2e9068b2>

If I, one of the older memners, (age 95, member #6070) may express my opinion, let me say this:

   I feel it's 90% demogtaphis and 10% other causes. We (USA), as a nation, no longer value spiritual values, such as, love, honor, respect for elders, etc. Instead we put money, power and grossness ahead of those things. Many of us, and I believe, the majority, are not happy unless what they have is bigger, louder, faster and more powerful than what the other fellow has. And our membership just reflects that attitude and the: "What's in it for me?" stance.

Harvey, W4TG

 

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Sat Aug  7 12:51:42 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:51:42 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Membership Discussion
In-Reply-To: <11CDAC8302E24110BD96968BB94FE20C@bhb33e2e9068b2>
References: <11CDAC8302E24110BD96968BB94FE20C@bhb33e2e9068b2>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP99E9891EED85431EFD43A583920@phx.gbl>

Hi Harvey,

Of course you may express your opinion!  It is highly valued, as is everyone 
else's.

There is no doubt some truth to what you say.  Other comments have referred to 
this generation not wanting to join anything, or that the  baby boomer bulge has 
past.  True, and this may explain why we don't have 70K members instead of <7K.

As well, there are more choices out there as far as ham radio groups to join, 
and some of the new ones are "free".  That puts the onus on us to keep costs 
down.

However, it appears that we don't seem to have too much trouble in attracting 
new members.  Chuck told me that HQ "still processes about 30 new members a 
month but it's the loss of renewals that is most troubling."

And so, the problem seems to be in RETAINING them.

Apparently, we do have a good influx; it's the "outflux" needs to be stemmed. 
Can we make it so that they don't want to leave?

I certainly don't have all the answers, but, collectively, maybe we do.  It is 
really enjoyable to see such good participation in this discussion so far; it's 
been quite informative.  That's what this reflector is all about; the sharing of 
ideas and solutions.

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Harvey Chase" <harvey91 at windstream.net>
To: "Discussion of QCWA or Ham Radio" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 07, 2010 11:14 AM
Subject: [QCWA] Membership Discussion


> If I, one of the older memners, (age 95, member #6070) may express my opinion, 
> let me say this:
>
>   I feel it's 90% demogtaphis and 10% other causes. We (USA), as a nation, no 
> longer value spiritual values, such as, love, honor, respect for elders, etc. 
> Instead we put money, power and grossness ahead of those things. Many of us, 
> and I believe, the majority, are not happy unless what they have is bigger, 
> louder, faster and more powerful than what the other fellow has. And our 
> membership just reflects that attitude and the: "What's in it for me?" stance.
>
> Harvey, W4TG
>
>
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From w0lpq9 at msn.com  Sat Aug  7 13:07:31 2010
From: w0lpq9 at msn.com (William Lambing)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 13:07:31 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Memberships ...
Message-ID: <SNT125-DS4EDB8373FB720A6286B99D6920@phx.gbl>

Well said Harvey ... licensed since 1962 and it took Tony, W8RSH to con me into joining QCWA ... do I regret it ... nope .. not in the least.  We in the Shrine have the same issues as the rest ... declining membership and so on ... have noted some of those who do join the Masonic order .. and this has been heard from new guys ... what's in it for me?  Wrong attitude to start with ... but sign of the times.

I don't have answers any more than others ... but what we can do is try to keep this going .. QCWA is a neat organization and I do enjoy the magazine ..!!

Good luck guys ...

Bill, W0LPQ
Indiana

From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  9 18:48:28 2010
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 15:48:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP13216B00450E267F81755B83910@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <552524.96933.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Dave.......
?
Your comments are appreciated. I think it is open dialog like this that serves to get our thoughts out to?our Members............to a point. Sadly, few of of our Members are capable of?viewing ?comments on the QCWA Reflector. If my memory serves me, President Roske recently told me?that we only have on the order of 300 signed up on the QCWA Reflector. I am sure we have far more Members that are computer literate than that!
?
Perhaps a future article in the QCWA Journal could encourage our Members to sign up on the QCWA Reflector?
?
TNX Dave..........appreciate all your hard work!
?
Val Erwin, W5PUT
QCWA Natl' Director
?


?

From dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net  Mon Aug  9 19:58:26 2010
From: dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net (Val Erwin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 16:58:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <20100806125455.OGV7M.706200.root@Web02>
Message-ID: <136222.51189.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Howdy Jeff !
?
I trust this Texas heat is doing the same to you in Ranger as it is to me here in the Dallas area!!..........
?
"You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is everybody?"
?
Jeff that is a question I ask myself all the time! But, when one weeds-out just a few 25-year tenured hams,?it starts to make a little more sense as to why the numbers are lower than we would like:
?
1. Not everyone is a "joiner".
2. How many hams were licensed but never went on the air?
3. How many lost interest in ham radio in their senior years?
4. How many lost interest in ham radio due to our modern tower/antenna restrictions?
5. Many are now on a second+ spouse who does not like ham radio!
6.?I have found that many have?taken on full time?Grandma/Grandpa responsibilities with no
?? ?extra time for ham radio much less meetings!
7. etc. etc.
?
As for you being a mere child of 56 years old, I can identify with that............10 years ago when I was also in the QCWA. Then, I was the youngest Member in Chapter 41 here in Dallas, in effect the "kid"......ha ha?? As for you being referred to as an "extra-lite", don't forget we are amongst a group of mature hams?many of which are very set in their ways and in effect some still living in the past.? Please consider turning?a negative into a positive.......I am confident that you would find that many of those that try to downplay your license?would feel ill at ease in operating a computer on any of the digi-modes, unlike you at your younger age who tends to be?more computer literate..?These are the same "old boy" operators that?can operate CW at 20+?WPM, an admirable trait, ?but would say: "Operate a radio controlled by a computer?.............Dunno' how to do that!!".........?Thus Jeff, the "old boy" operator and the "new boy"
 operator,?can each hold their heads high but for different reasons!
?
BTW Jeff, you missed a good hamfest down in Austin this past weekend.........Austin Summerfest. Keep an eye on the front door of your hardware store there in Ranger as I plan to visit you one day on one of my trips out to W. TX.........
?
Regards,
?
Val Erwin / W5PUT
QCWA Natl' Director


--- On Fri, 8/6/10, jangus at suddenlink.net <jangus at suddenlink.net> wrote:


From: jangus at suddenlink.net <jangus at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
To: "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 5:54 PM


Declining membership?
What a surprise...

I've been continuously licensed since 1967 yet I've never been made to feel welcome
by the older members of the QCWA. 

Sorry folks, I'm only 56, that leaves me out of having served time in WWII.

Nor do I appreciate being referred to as an extra-lite because I didn't prove to the FCC
that I can send and receive Morse code at 21 WPM.

Now, let's see, some quick math here... 2010 - 25 = 1985. A lot of things have both
happened and changed since 1945. But still I feel as though I'm being held to an
unreasonable standard for acceptance into an "Old Boys Club."

Now suddenly there is a "We're losing membership numbers." There is a large pool
of people that have been licensed prior to 1985, yet where are they? Have they
all been chased off as not being "real enough" to qualify in some secret cabal?

The requirements aren't that difficult. "If you hold a current amateur radio license
and you were licensed, as a ham, 25 years ago or more, you are eligible to join
QCWA." You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is
everybody?

Jeff
wa6fwi
QCWA lifer

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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug  9 20:44:48 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 20:44:48 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <552524.96933.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <552524.96933.qm@web83405.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
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Hi Val,

Your point is well taken.  We are only talking to a small minority here on the reflector.  We traesure our current reflector members and just wish there were more of them.

Your idea of a future article in the QCWA Journal is a great idea; perhaps a small box, prominently displayed in every issue, encouraging members to enroll in the reflector, and why.

In my WRO column, I will also encourage the same thing.

By keeping the reflector alive and active with thoughtful discussions, it may promote itself as well, as word of mouth will help encourage others to join it.

We appreciate your work as well, Val.

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX
QCWA Life Member
WRO QCWA Columnist
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Val Erwin 
  To: QCWA Reflector ; Dave - VE3JX 
  Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 6:48 PM
  Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


        Howdy Dave.......

        Your comments are appreciated. I think it is open dialog like this that serves to get our thoughts out to our Members............to a point. Sadly, few of of our Members are capable of viewing  comments on the QCWA Reflector. If my memory serves me, President Roske recently told me that we only have on the order of 300 signed up on the QCWA Reflector. I am sure we have far more Members that are computer literate than that!

        Perhaps a future article in the QCWA Journal could encourage our Members to sign up on the QCWA Reflector?

        TNX Dave..........appreciate all your hard work!

        Val Erwin, W5PUT
        QCWA Natl' Director



          

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug  9 21:14:47 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:14:47 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
In-Reply-To: <136222.51189.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <136222.51189.qm@web83407.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP788AD6D0E10244D50BFC2183950@phx.gbl>

Hi Jeff,

Just a quick note.  It appears that you and I started in ham radio the same 
year: 1967.  In Canada, that was our Centennial year; getting my ham licence was 
my Centennial project.

I'm a little older: 63.  Not dead yet, though.

Hi Val:

Good points.  I think we lost quite a few hams to computers & the internet, 
before & around Y2K.

Point #4 is very valid: CC&R's are the norm WRT newer townhomes and condos, 
which housing is attractive when one is aging.

Cheers,

Dave.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Val Erwin" <dallasqcwa at sbcglobal.net>
To: "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>; <jangus at suddenlink.net>
Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics


Howdy Jeff !

I trust this Texas heat is doing the same to you in Ranger as it is to me here 
in the Dallas area!!..........

"You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is everybody?"

Jeff that is a question I ask myself all the time! But, when one weeds-out just 
a few 25-year tenured hams, it starts to make a little more sense as to why the 
numbers are lower than we would like:

1. Not everyone is a "joiner".
2. How many hams were licensed but never went on the air?
3. How many lost interest in ham radio in their senior years?
4. How many lost interest in ham radio due to our modern tower/antenna 
restrictions?
5. Many are now on a second+ spouse who does not like ham radio!
6. I have found that many have taken on full time Grandma/Grandpa 
responsibilities with no
extra time for ham radio much less meetings!
7. etc. etc.

As for you being a mere child of 56 years old, I can identify with 
that............10 years ago when I was also in the QCWA. Then, I was the 
youngest Member in Chapter 41 here in Dallas, in effect the "kid"......ha ha As 
for you being referred to as an "extra-lite", don't forget we are amongst a 
group of mature hams many of which are very set in their ways and in effect some 
still living in the past. Please consider turning a negative into a 
positive.......I am confident that you would find that many of those that try to 
downplay your license would feel ill at ease in operating a computer on any of 
the digi-modes, unlike you at your younger age who tends to be more computer 
literate.. These are the same "old boy" operators that can operate CW at 20+ 
WPM, an admirable trait, but would say: "Operate a radio controlled by a 
computer?.............Dunno' how to do that!!"......... Thus Jeff, the "old boy" 
operator and the "new boy"
 operator, can each hold their heads high but for different reasons!

BTW Jeff, you missed a good hamfest down in Austin this past 
weekend.........Austin Summerfest. Keep an eye on the front door of your 
hardware store there in Ranger as I plan to visit you one day on one of my trips 
out to W. TX.........

Regards,

Val Erwin / W5PUT
QCWA Natl' Director


--- On Fri, 8/6/10, jangus at suddenlink.net <jangus at suddenlink.net> wrote:


From: jangus at suddenlink.net <jangus at suddenlink.net>
Subject: Re: [QCWA] New 2010 Roster Statistics
To: "'QCWA Reflector'" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Date: Friday, August 6, 2010, 5:54 PM


Declining membership?
What a surprise...

I've been continuously licensed since 1967 yet I've never been made to feel 
welcome
by the older members of the QCWA.

Sorry folks, I'm only 56, that leaves me out of having served time in WWII.

Nor do I appreciate being referred to as an extra-lite because I didn't prove to 
the FCC
that I can send and receive Morse code at 21 WPM.

Now, let's see, some quick math here... 2010 - 25 = 1985. A lot of things have 
both
happened and changed since 1945. But still I feel as though I'm being held to an
unreasonable standard for acceptance into an "Old Boys Club."

Now suddenly there is a "We're losing membership numbers." There is a large pool
of people that have been licensed prior to 1985, yet where are they? Have they
all been chased off as not being "real enough" to qualify in some secret cabal?

The requirements aren't that difficult. "If you hold a current amateur radio 
license
and you were licensed, as a ham, 25 years ago or more, you are eligible to join
QCWA." You don't even need to have been continuously licensed. So where is
everybody?

Jeff
wa6fwi
QCWA lifer

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From wa0eaf at kans.com  Mon Aug  9 10:57:19 2010
From: wa0eaf at kans.com (Gary E. Mayfield)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 09:57:19 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] WRL Chip
In-Reply-To: <743689.70144.qm@web80012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <743689.70144.qm@web80012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <724B1857E982428ABBE3DA5BC9D49A73@GaryPC>

What is the purpose of this Chip.  It was from Leo Meyerson store.  Gary, 
WA0EAF

Dad,

     I put a picture of the chip on the web at

http://users4.jabry.com/kk0sd/jpgs/chip.jpg

if you want to forward this link to the QCWA list (if you are still on it)
maybe someone there could tell you about it.

73 and 88,
Joe






From dave at nf2g.com  Tue Aug 10 17:35:11 2010
From: dave at nf2g.com (David T. Stark)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:35:11 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Reflector
In-Reply-To: <mailman.27.1281456014.21271.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.27.1281456014.21271.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <4C61C60F.7070303@nf2g.com>

It seems that only hams refer to email lists and groups as "reflectors." 
  I haven't seen anyone else use that term since the CU-Seeme days.

Maybe inviting computer-savvy hams to do something that sounds obsolete 
is part of the problem.

73 de Dave, NF2G


From martin.s.ewing at gmail.com  Tue Aug 10 18:40:23 2010
From: martin.s.ewing at gmail.com (Martin Ewing)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:40:23 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] WRL Chip
In-Reply-To: <724B1857E982428ABBE3DA5BC9D49A73@GaryPC>
References: <743689.70144.qm@web80012.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
	<724B1857E982428ABBE3DA5BC9D49A73@GaryPC>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=RH-s4XRDM6Cw28LxrxfXq8UBTbnChOZXwR58-@mail.gmail.com>

Curious! You might want to ask at Ham-Radio-History at yahoogroups.com (have to
join group first, I think).

73
Martin AA6E

On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Gary E. Mayfield <wa0eaf at kans.com> wrote:

> What is the purpose of this Chip.  It was from Leo Meyerson store.  Gary,
> WA0EAF
>
> Dad,
>
>     I put a picture of the chip on the web at
>
> http://users4.jabry.com/kk0sd/jpgs/chip.jpg
>
> if you want to forward this link to the QCWA list (if you are still on it)
> maybe someone there could tell you about it.
>
> 73 and 88,
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Tue Aug 10 19:07:01 2010
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 18:07:01 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
Message-ID: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb>

Hi Everybody,

This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone that wants to, has responded.

My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with something you said, good for you!
If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.

For those that don't realize it, the members already have the power.  It was member power
that insured my election in 2008, it will be member power that saves this organization.
The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members a year.  During his 4 years as
President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess leading by example doesn't work.
I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting Dayton.  It takes time, and
effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor someone.  Val, W5PUT suggests by
the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach, sponsor one new member every 5 years.
Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the current annual number of new 
members.
----------------------------------------------------------------
The A Word - Associate Members:
QCWA GUEST POLICY REVISITED
W3BE, President, QCWA - October 22, 2004

The matter of non-QCWA member participation, as an associate, in QCWA activities was
discussed at the 2001 Meeting of your Board of Directors. Your Board has expended
considerable effort toward resolving this persistent matter through letters, e-mail and
personal contacts at Chapter meetings, conventions and hamfests. The majority consensus
was that an associate category is not desired by QCWA membership.

For various reasons, however, your Chapter may want to allow guests of its members to
participate in its activities. To provide guidance to those Chapters that do so, your
Board developed the following statement of policy on non-member participation in Chapter
activities. This policy was reaffirmed today at the 2004 Meeting of your Board of
Directors.

One difficulty to resolving this long-standing matter may arise from the use of the
unofficial term "associate." Although this A-word can be used as a noun, there is a
tendency to use it more as an adjective modifying the word "member." That appears to make
it a hot-button issue to those members who oppose any attempt to compromise the very
purpose of the QCWA. For this reason, your Board recommends that all references to the
A-word be avoided.

This about covers it!
-------------------------------------------------------------------
>We've had cruises every other year
2001, 2005 and 2009 hardly fits the description of every other year.  Once again, the
local members/chapters have the power.  The only reason a cruise was ever suggested in the
first place is because a local chapter didn't step forward to sponsor a land based
convention.  If proposals for land based conventions are submitted in a timely fashion 
QCWA
will probably never see another cruise.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Some of our Directors have contacted chapter secretaries to find out what works and what
doesn't at the local level.  What was found is that chapters that have programs, special
projects and tables at local hamfests appear to be doing ok, the rest are shrinking or
have already disappeared.  Again,  It takes time and effort and money.
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Sad to say, but it's true, some of our members disparage Hams that don't hold an Extra 
Class license or achieved it after 20 wpm CW was no longer a requirement.   I've heard 
members talk about the dumming down of the VE question pool.  The interesting thing is one 
of them is a VEC. One of our chapters holds their net on an extra class frequency.  When a 
member asked about it they were told to upgrade!

If you feel that way about the younger, newer Hams, that's your business.  However, please 
refrain from vocalizing thinking like this when QCWA is in the mix, several members that 
have cancelled their membership because the 'older members' don't like the 'younger 
members'.  I know this is true because I've talked to some those members that pulled the 
plug.
For QCWA to grow, ALL qualified Hams must feel welcome!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>There are a lot of us in the 45-60 year old bracket that are not very welcome in the
>inner circles of the QCWA.
Oh really!  The current President, Vice President, Treasure and fully half of the
directors are under 65.  Which inner circle are you referring to?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
>Sectional approach as does the ARRL
The number of directors was increased from 5 to 10 in an attempt to get a director from
every call area.  We all know how well that worked.  Also, we are not the ARRL.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
DX, fox hunting, APRS and all the other things that make Ham radio so much fun and so
unique MUST be addressed at the local level.  I can't tell you how to operate or what
programs to have at your local chapter.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
We have 330 signed up on the reflector, not all of them are members.  There have been at
least 2 articles in the Journal encouraging members to sign up on the reflector in the
past five years.   Maybe we should change our thinking to email list or group list.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Again, the members have the power and they need to continue to use it.

73,
Bob Roske, N0UF
President, QCWA
1?-1? # 63893
39?5 CC
AFAR # 442
ARRL Life Member and Accredited VE
FISTS # 6769
Croatian Telegraphy Club  # 1695
Crow River Area ARC W?CRC - Hutchinson, MN
GERATOL# 1756
INDEXA # 3161
Kansas City DX Club
MEMO ARC W9BSP - Olathe, KS
OMISS # 3253
OOTC # 4?81
Pro CW Club # 5?
QCWA # 26454
Upper Midwest Ch 8 Minneapolis, MN
Mid-Continent Ch 35 Kansas City, KS & MO
QCWW Ch 12? at large # 3?8
Wild Rose Ch 151 Calgary, AB Canada
Foothills Of The Ozarks Ch 18? Bolivar, Missouri
W?SV - St Cloud ARC Minnesota
SKCC # 2173
SPRINGBOK # 2361
SOC # 521


From schulertjf at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 10 21:18:53 2010
From: schulertjf at hotmail.com (James F Schulert)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:18:53 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Meeting Thursday August
	12th
Message-ID: <SNT123-W58C3AD73A0E941A5B9D604C1960@phx.gbl>


Citrus Chapter #45 Orlando FL. will be meeting 2PM-4PM Thursday August 12th at the Golden Corral, 897 West Town Pky.Altamonte Springs (StateRoad 434 at West Town Pky.)
=
The program will be a video on the beginning of amateur radio and the ARRL titled "The Early Years".

>From I-4 travelling East/West,use Exit 92. Eastbound Turn Left on Semoran Blvd, St Rd 436.Westbound turn right on Semoran Blvd. St Rd 436.Continue on St Rd 436 for approximately 3 miles to St Rd 434. Turn left on 434(approx.1/2 mile) to 2nd traffic light,West Town Pky.Left turn to Golden Corral.

Anyone in the area is welcome and encouraged to attend. YLs and XYLs are also welcome.

Please attend if you can.

Jim Schulert AI4LE
Secretary, QCWA Citrus Ch.#45

E-Mail _schulertjf at hotmail.com  		 	   		  

From groach at storm.ca  Tue Aug 10 22:44:46 2010
From: groach at storm.ca (George/Frances)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:44:46 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Reflector
In-Reply-To: <4C61C60F.7070303@nf2g.com>
References: <mailman.27.1281456014.21271.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
	<4C61C60F.7070303@nf2g.com>
Message-ID: <a6092c7f44178152420101ebcfb5c4d0.squirrel@home.storm.ca>

Seems the IRLP hams have been using it for several years
as well !
George




> It seems that only hams refer to email lists and groups as "reflectors."
>   I haven't seen anyone else use that term since the CU-Seeme days.
>
> Maybe inviting computer-savvy hams to do something that sounds obsolete
> is part of the problem.
>
> 73 de Dave, NF2G
>
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From larry at pulse.net  Wed Aug 11 02:47:16 2010
From: larry at pulse.net (Larry Essary)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:47:16 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
References: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>

Bob...

The times we are living in are far different than 20 or 30
years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem to
be "joiners".
Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly less
time... getting people to do something that isn't in the top
3 things on their list to do is difficult if not impossible.

I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of QCWA.
There are a significant number of hams that have be licensed
over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.

It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but it's
like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".

I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need to
figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.

It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
issue.   One more member is one more member.
Let's all do our best for  QCWA.

Larry K5XG  Chapter 41





From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>


Hi Everybody,

This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone that
wants to, has responded.

My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
something you said, good for you!
If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.

For those that don't realize it, the members already have
the power.  It was member power
that insured my election in 2008, it will be member power
that saves this organization.
The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members a
year.  During his 4 years as
President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess leading
by example doesn't work.
I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
Dayton.  It takes time, and
effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor someone.
Val, W5PUT suggests by
the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach, sponsor
one new member every 5 years.
Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
current annual number of new
members.


From ronalderickson777 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 11 02:31:32 2010
From: ronalderickson777 at gmail.com (Ronald Erickson)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 01:31:32 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>
References: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb>
	<00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSU4MxKt6dcnWmpGvU4wvv-rbdDMYd_NJ7go6t@mail.gmail.com>

I think part of the problem is hams do not want to be leaned on for a lot of
thankless work.  I have joined several organizations in my life and found
out the more valuable I was to the organization the more obligated I was to
take part in the work.  It is no guarantee there will be capable successors
to keep organizations going.  I have done my world traveling.  I have no
interest in being hassled by security or waiting on a runway for hours or
missing connections that can be costly.  Driving has its own difficult
hazards if one is unarmed in some areas.

73,

Ron, K0IC

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Larry Essary <larry at pulse.net> wrote:

> Bob...
>
> The times we are living in are far different than 20 or 30
> years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem to
> be "joiners".
> Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
> groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly less
> time... getting people to do something that isn't in the top
> 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not impossible.
>
> I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
> generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of QCWA.
> There are a significant number of hams that have be licensed
> over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
>
> It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but it's
> like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
>
> I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need to
> figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
>
> It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
> issue.   One more member is one more member.
> Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
>
> Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone that
> wants to, has responded.
>
> My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
> something you said, good for you!
> If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
>
> For those that don't realize it, the members already have
> the power.  It was member power
> that insured my election in 2008, it will be member power
> that saves this organization.
> The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members a
> year.  During his 4 years as
> President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess leading
> by example doesn't work.
> I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
> Dayton.  It takes time, and
> effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor someone.
> Val, W5PUT suggests by
> the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach, sponsor
> one new member every 5 years.
> Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
> current annual number of new
> members.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>
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-- 
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Southwest Iowa Amateur Radio Club
Bellevue Amateur Radio Club
ARRL Local Government Liaison
ARRL Public Information Officer
ARRL Technical Specialist
ARRL, the national association for Amateur Radio?
563-263-3097
ronalderickson777 at gmail.com
10-X #12938 :* EN20iu
ARRL Lifer since 1976
3900 Club #729
Iowa QRP Club #179
QCWA #30762; Chapters, 25, 123, 210
FCC #PG-17-12556
FISTS CW Club #12484
Straight Key Century Club #2253
FGBMFI Life Member
Salvation Army Team Emergency Radio Network member
Pastor by Universal Life Church, Modesto, CA
Trying to join the Shenandoah Assembly of God
The Collins Collectors Association #AC07-12075
Courage HANDI-HAM System member
Ex: WN0GDA, WB0GDA, AK0N, AAV7AW
Ex:  KMA-AM broadcast engineer 1977-1989.
Ex:  SBE Senior Broadcast Engineer #2308 - Radio - AM/FM
IWCC -Clarinda Associate of Arts Degree -  1973
University of Nebraska at Omaha Bachelor of General Studies Degree - 1993
k0ic at arrl.net
www.contactify.com/c521b

From n4byu at bellsouth.net  Wed Aug 11 08:39:21 2010
From: n4byu at bellsouth.net (Roy)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 08:39:21 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] (no subject)
Message-ID: <6EDDEF6A-CF2E-40B1-9D09-507C0D5F5939@bellsouth.net>



Sent from my iPhone
Roy.   N4BYU
2B1
Ask1

From wd8e at arrl.net  Wed Aug 11 09:41:37 2010
From: wd8e at arrl.net (Fritz)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:41:37 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Meeting Thursday
	August	12th
In-Reply-To: <SNT123-W58C3AD73A0E941A5B9D604C1960@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT123-W58C3AD73A0E941A5B9D604C1960@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000301cb395a$ec44e8d0$c4ceba70$@net>

The film is a good idea, does QCWA have a library of films for loan?
Fritz WD8E

-----Original Message-----
From: James F Schulert [mailto:schulertjf at hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:19 PM
To: QCWA Reflector
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Meeting Thursday August
12th


Citrus Chapter #45 Orlando FL. will be meeting 2PM-4PM Thursday August 12th
at the Golden Corral, 897 West Town Pky.Altamonte Springs (StateRoad 434 at
West Town Pky.)
=
The program will be a video on the beginning of amateur radio and the ARRL
titled "The Early Years".

>From I-4 travelling East/West,use Exit 92. Eastbound Turn Left on Semoran
Blvd, St Rd 436.Westbound turn right on Semoran Blvd. St Rd 436.Continue on
St Rd 436 for approximately 3 miles to St Rd 434. Turn left on
434(approx.1/2 mile) to 2nd traffic light,West Town Pky.Left turn to Golden
Corral.

Anyone in the area is welcome and encouraged to attend. YLs and XYLs are
also welcome.

Please attend if you can.

Jim Schulert AI4LE
Secretary, QCWA Citrus Ch.#45

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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 11 09:59:33 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:59:33 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Reflector
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Hi David,

You may have a valid point.

The term "reflector" was used differently in Radio Amateurs of Canada.  The "RAC
reflector" is actually an alias-email-address system.  So, it didn't twig in to
me what the QCWA reflector was for awhile.

What would you call it?  QCWA discussion group?

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David T. Stark" <dave at nf2g.com>
To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 5:35 PM
Subject: [QCWA] Reflector


> It seems that only hams refer to email lists and groups as "reflectors."
>  I haven't seen anyone else use that term since the CU-Seeme days.
>
> Maybe inviting computer-savvy hams to do something that sounds obsolete
> is part of the problem.
>
> 73 de Dave, NF2G
>
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 11 10:00:11 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:00:11 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>
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Hi Larry,

I think we might be missing the point:  We can get, and are getting, people to
JOIN QCWA.  The problem seems to be in RETAINING them.

It's like we're catching the fish, but they're jumping out of the boat later.
The lure seems to be working; the creel isn't.

Sponsoring does not involve paying for the new membership; the new member still
has to drink on his own, does he not?

You're absolutely right about many eligible not knowing anything about QCWA.
QCWA does advertise its existence in most ham magazines, I believe.  Perhaps the
most effective way to advertise, aside from hamfests, might be through
presentations made to local clubs?  (I'm guessing here; and I'd like to hear
your experiences with this.)  Or, perhaps individual members' word of mouth?

One thing for sure: our President is a "joiner".  Did you see the list of
credits after his name, hi hi?

Hi Bob,

Great to see your comments.

I'm afraid I'm partial to cruises.  But, I do agree that they should be used
sparingly as a convention venue.  Actually, I don't think they've been overused
up to this point, nor do I see that ever being the case.  However, they seem to
attract negative comments. Why?  I wonder if those who complain about their
being convention cruises are regular attenders of the land-based conventions?
Cruises can be a nice venue for enjoying a relaxed slate of convention forums,
and they have been well-attended.  I plan to go on the next one, if any.  (Mind
you, I also plan to be at the land-based ones as well.)

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry Essary" <larry at pulse.net>
To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; "QCWA - Reflector" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:47 AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


> Bob...
>
> The times we are living in are far different than 20 or 30
> years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem to
> be "joiners".
> Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
> groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly less
> time... getting people to do something that isn't in the top
> 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not impossible.
>
> I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
> generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of QCWA.
> There are a significant number of hams that have be licensed
> over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
>
> It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but it's
> like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
>
> I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need to
> figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
>
> It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
> issue.   One more member is one more member.
> Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
>
> Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone that
> wants to, has responded.
>
> My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
> something you said, good for you!
> If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
>
> For those that don't realize it, the members already have
> the power.  It was member power
> that insured my election in 2008, it will be member power
> that saves this organization.
> The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members a
> year.  During his 4 years as
> President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess leading
> by example doesn't work.
> I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
> Dayton.  It takes time, and
> effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor someone.
> Val, W5PUT suggests by
> the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach, sponsor
> one new member every 5 years.
> Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
> current annual number of new
> members.
>
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From larry at pulse.net  Wed Aug 11 11:32:44 2010
From: larry at pulse.net (Larry Essary)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:32:44 -0600
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
References: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb><00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>
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Message-ID: <014e01cb396a$722e61b0$4101a8c0@larry>

This too is a problem I see all too often in the local ham
clubs including our own local QCWA chapter.

A new person shows up and wants to be part of the group.  He
is ignored; treated with indifference.
Why is it surprising to anyone that this new person just
disappears after a few meetings if members just ignore him ?

For the life of me I don't get how people can do this.
Every member should go out of their way to meet and shake
hands with the new person and TALK to him.  Find out his
expectations of the group and let him know what the group
expects of him.
Introduce him to members with similar interests.

Is it they we are all too set in our ways or just too lazy
to make an effort to greet new members ?


I think we need to get some visibility in QST.  I'm sure a
phone call to the league would result in having a PSA type
ad placed in QST on an ongoing basis.  I would be glad to
make that call if no one else desires to do so.

Larry K5XG
Chapter 41



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
To: "QCWA - Reflector" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


> Hi Larry,
>
> I think we might be missing the point:  We can get, and
are getting, people to
> JOIN QCWA.  The problem seems to be in RETAINING them.
>
> It's like we're catching the fish, but they're jumping out
of the boat later.
> The lure seems to be working; the creel isn't.
>
> Sponsoring does not involve paying for the new membership;
the new member still
> has to drink on his own, does he not?
>
> You're absolutely right about many eligible not knowing
anything about QCWA.
> QCWA does advertise its existence in most ham magazines, I
believe.  Perhaps the
> most effective way to advertise, aside from hamfests,
might be through
> presentations made to local clubs?  (I'm guessing here;
and I'd like to hear
> your experiences with this.)  Or, perhaps individual
members' word of mouth?
>
> One thing for sure: our President is a "joiner".  Did you
see the list of
> credits after his name, hi hi?
>
> Hi Bob,
>
> Great to see your comments.
>
> I'm afraid I'm partial to cruises.  But, I do agree that
they should be used
> sparingly as a convention venue.  Actually, I don't think
they've been overused
> up to this point, nor do I see that ever being the case.
However, they seem to
> attract negative comments. Why?  I wonder if those who
complain about their
> being convention cruises are regular attenders of the
land-based conventions?
> Cruises can be a nice venue for enjoying a relaxed slate
of convention forums,
> and they have been well-attended.  I plan to go on the
next one, if any.  (Mind
> you, I also plan to be at the land-based ones as well.)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave VE3JX.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Larry Essary" <larry at pulse.net>
> To: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>; "QCWA - Reflector"
<qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
>
>
> > Bob...
> >
> > The times we are living in are far different than 20 or
30
> > years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem
to
> > be "joiners".
> > Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
> > groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly
less
> > time... getting people to do something that isn't in the
top
> > 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not
impossible.
> >
> > I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
> > generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of
QCWA.
> > There are a significant number of hams that have be
licensed
> > over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
> >
> > It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but
it's
> > like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
> >
> > I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need
to
> > figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
> >
> > It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
> > issue.   One more member is one more member.
> > Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
> >
> > Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
> >
> >
> > Hi Everybody,
> >
> > This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone
that
> > wants to, has responded.
> >
> > My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
> > something you said, good for you!
> > If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
> >
> > For those that don't realize it, the members already
have
> > the power.  It was member power
> > that insured my election in 2008, it will be member
power
> > that saves this organization.
> > The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members
a
> > year.  During his 4 years as
> > President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess
leading
> > by example doesn't work.
> > I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
> > Dayton.  It takes time, and
> > effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor
someone.
> > Val, W5PUT suggests by
> > the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach,
sponsor
> > one new member every 5 years.
> > Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
> > current annual number of new
> > members.
> >
> >
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__
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From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Wed Aug 11 11:12:00 2010
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:12:00 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
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Yes to all of that, Larry.

The one point in all the discussion I have NOT heard made explicitly is 
that we must LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

Each and every member of QCWA is an EXEMPLAR -- an example of what 
maturity and time-in-grade can do to mold an amateur from a perhaps 
fly-by-night, into-everything, dilettante, into a well rounded, 
committed amateur radio operator who strives to be the best he/SHE can 
be.  We use our somewhat unique perspective to show the way to those who 
have come behind us.  We do, that is, if we do anything at all.

While being a QCWA member, I'm betting that each member is also a member 
of a local group, or club.  We should stand up at those meetings when 
self-introductions are being done to put in a plug for QCWA: " I'm Joe 
Ham, WxDX, and I'm a member of QCWA.  We meet at the local Greasy Grill 
on Such and Such a day for breakfast, and lunch, and/or dinner.  You 
would be most welcome at our meetings.  Spouses are most welcome."  
That's not hard, and it would help to make us better known among our own 
local groups.

When you join a net (HF, VHF, or whatever mode you prefer) identify 
yourself as a QCWA member.  Be quick to provide information about QCWA 
activity in your area.  No activity in your area -- who's to blame for that?

Look over your local Clubs rosters.  You DO have a roster, don't you?  
If there is someone you don't know -- get to know who they are.  What do 
they DO?  Could they perhaps say a few words about what they do, what 
they used to do, what they want to do, maybe, at your local meeting.  
One doesn't have to be a MEMBER of QCWA to make a presentation, however 
informal, at a QCWA gathering.  Do you 'track' ANYONE, regardless of 
longevity in amateur radio, as prospective members -- for SOMEDAY?  My 
Chapter (Ch. 119) has as many FRIENDS on a list as we have members -- 
some 160 all together -- and we make sure all of them get the WEEKLY 
newsletter, info about meetings, info about activities we are doing.  We 
have some FRIENDS who have to wait up to 24 years and 1 month to become 
an official member.  We have others who are virtually knocking on the 
door, and when their calendar rolls around we will greet them joyously 
as official members, raised up from the Friends List.

There are few of us who can do everything.  There are even fewer of us 
who can do NOTHING!  Most are in a position to do SOMETHING.  Which 
category do you fall into, and are you really satisfied being in that 
category?  If you should happen to fall into the NOTHING category -- 
please explain to me how it is that you cannot be an Ambassador of Good 
QCWA WILL.  It takes very little effort, and it is the kind of activity 
that will help us to grow.  Put those of us who can and will do 
SOMETHING to work!  Feed us names, show up to eat, or to watch us eat, 
and we can light up your life.

Change starts with ME.  If there is something in me I need to change, I 
WILL.  If there is something in my Chapter that needs to change -- WE 
can change it.  If there is something in our ORGANIZATION that needs to 
change, WE CAN TALK ABOUT IT AND IF IT'S A GOOD CHANGE WE CAN CHANGE 
THAT, TOO.

Change cannot END with me.

Congratulations to you all for being among the 300 best informed QCWA 
members via this electronic marvel, the QCWA LIST.  The above rant is 
preaching to the choir, in most cases.  I've read the comments that 
appear here, and most seem to be indicating the need for change.  Having 
raised the issue, the ball is now in your court.  NEED CHANGE?  MAKE IT 
HAPPEN.

Respectfully, Vic, W4VIC, QCWA Chapter 119 Inc.



Larry Essary wrote:
> Bob...
>
> The times we are living in are far different than 20 or 30
> years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem to
> be "joiners".
> Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
> groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly less
> time... getting people to do something that isn't in the top
> 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not impossible.
>
> I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
> generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of QCWA.
> There are a significant number of hams that have be licensed
> over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
>
> It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but it's
> like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
>
> I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need to
> figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
>
> It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
> issue.   One more member is one more member.
> Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
>
> Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone that
> wants to, has responded.
>
> My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
> something you said, good for you!
> If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
>
> For those that don't realize it, the members already have
> the power.  It was member power
> that insured my election in 2008, it will be member power
> that saves this organization.
> The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members a
> year.  During his 4 years as
> President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess leading
> by example doesn't work.
> I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
> Dayton.  It takes time, and
> effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor someone.
> Val, W5PUT suggests by
> the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach, sponsor
> one new member every 5 years.
> Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
> current annual number of new
> members.
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
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From nss at mwt.net  Wed Aug 11 10:59:08 2010
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 09:59:08 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
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This couldn't have been said any better!

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On 8/11/2010 10:32 AM, Larry Essary wrote:
> This too is a problem I see all too often in the local ham
> clubs including our own local QCWA chapter.
>
> A new person shows up and wants to be part of the group.  He
> is ignored; treated with indifference.
> Why is it surprising to anyone that this new person just
> disappears after a few meetings if members just ignore him ?
>
> For the life of me I don't get how people can do this.
> Every member should go out of their way to meet and shake
> hands with the new person and TALK to him.  Find out his
> expectations of the group and let him know what the group
> expects of him.
> Introduce him to members with similar interests.
>
> Is it they we are all too set in our ways or just too lazy
> to make an effort to greet new members ?
>
>
> I think we need to get some visibility in QST.  I'm sure a
> phone call to the league would result in having a PSA type
> ad placed in QST on an ongoing basis.  I would be glad to
> make that call if no one else desires to do so.
>
> Larry K5XG
> Chapter 41
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave - VE3JX"<ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> To: "QCWA - Reflector"<qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
>
>
>    
>> Hi Larry,
>>
>> I think we might be missing the point:  We can get, and
>>      
> are getting, people to
>    
>> JOIN QCWA.  The problem seems to be in RETAINING them.
>>
>> It's like we're catching the fish, but they're jumping out
>>      
> of the boat later.
>    
>> The lure seems to be working; the creel isn't.
>>
>> Sponsoring does not involve paying for the new membership;
>>      
> the new member still
>    
>> has to drink on his own, does he not?
>>
>> You're absolutely right about many eligible not knowing
>>      
> anything about QCWA.
>    
>> QCWA does advertise its existence in most ham magazines, I
>>      
> believe.  Perhaps the
>    
>> most effective way to advertise, aside from hamfests,
>>      
> might be through
>    
>> presentations made to local clubs?  (I'm guessing here;
>>      
> and I'd like to hear
>    
>> your experiences with this.)  Or, perhaps individual
>>      
> members' word of mouth?
>    
>> One thing for sure: our President is a "joiner".  Did you
>>      
> see the list of
>    
>> credits after his name, hi hi?
>>
>> Hi Bob,
>>
>> Great to see your comments.
>>
>> I'm afraid I'm partial to cruises.  But, I do agree that
>>      
> they should be used
>    
>> sparingly as a convention venue.  Actually, I don't think
>>      
> they've been overused
>    
>> up to this point, nor do I see that ever being the case.
>>      
> However, they seem to
>    
>> attract negative comments. Why?  I wonder if those who
>>      
> complain about their
>    
>> being convention cruises are regular attenders of the
>>      
> land-based conventions?
>    
>> Cruises can be a nice venue for enjoying a relaxed slate
>>      
> of convention forums,
>    
>> and they have been well-attended.  I plan to go on the
>>      
> next one, if any.  (Mind
>    
>> you, I also plan to be at the land-based ones as well.)
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Dave VE3JX.
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Larry Essary"<larry at pulse.net>
>> To: "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>; "QCWA - Reflector"
>>      
> <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
>    
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
>>
>>
>>      
>>> Bob...
>>>
>>> The times we are living in are far different than 20 or
>>>        
> 30
>    
>>> years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem
>>>        
> to
>    
>>> be "joiners".
>>> Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
>>> groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly
>>>        
> less
>    
>>> time... getting people to do something that isn't in the
>>>        
> top
>    
>>> 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not
>>>        
> impossible.
>    
>>> I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
>>> generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of
>>>        
> QCWA.
>    
>>> There are a significant number of hams that have be
>>>        
> licensed
>    
>>> over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
>>>
>>> It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but
>>>        
> it's
>    
>>> like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
>>>
>>> I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need
>>>        
> to
>    
>>> figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
>>>
>>> It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
>>> issue.   One more member is one more member.
>>> Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
>>>
>>> Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>
>>> This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone
>>>        
> that
>    
>>> wants to, has responded.
>>>
>>> My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
>>> something you said, good for you!
>>> If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
>>>
>>> For those that don't realize it, the members already
>>>        
> have
>    
>>> the power.  It was member power
>>> that insured my election in 2008, it will be member
>>>        
> power
>    
>>> that saves this organization.
>>> The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members
>>>        
> a
>    
>>> year.  During his 4 years as
>>> President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess
>>>        
> leading
>    
>>> by example doesn't work.
>>> I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
>>> Dayton.  It takes time, and
>>> effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor
>>>        
> someone.
>    
>>> Val, W5PUT suggests by
>>> the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach,
>>>        
> sponsor
>    
>>> one new member every 5 years.
>>> Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
>>> current annual number of new
>>> members.
>>>
>>>
>>>        
> ____________________________________________________________
> __
>    
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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>>>
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>>> Please help support this email list:
>>>        
> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>    
>>>        
>>
>>      
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 11 11:38:07 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:38:07 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <4C62BABC.3070006@mwt.net>
References: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb><00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry>	<BLU0-SMTP755683DF32AAE62BEE8CEA83960@phx.gbl><014e01cb396a$722e61b0$4101a8c0@larry>
	<4C62BABC.3070006@mwt.net>
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Hi Joe & Larry,

What can I say?  This should never happen, but it obviously does from what we've 
heard!  It's even attested to by one of our Directors who sometimes visits 
different chapters unannounced.  So, it's sad but true!

In a generally unfriendly world, QCWA should be an oasis of friendliness, 
friendship & courtesy.  This is so fundamental in RETAINING members as to be 
almost without saying.  However, we obviously have to state the obvious: each of 
us has to do our part in creating a friendly and welcoming atmospere in our 
chapters such that members and visitors are made to feel a part of something 
special.  Isn't this spirit of camaraderie all part of the amateur's creed, not 
just of QCWA?

Thank you for emphasizing this point again.

Dave VE3JX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net>
To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


> This couldn't have been said any better!
>
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
> On 8/11/2010 10:32 AM, Larry Essary wrote:
>> This too is a problem I see all too often in the local ham
>> clubs including our own local QCWA chapter.
>>
>> A new person shows up and wants to be part of the group.  He
>> is ignored; treated with indifference.
>> Why is it surprising to anyone that this new person just
>> disappears after a few meetings if members just ignore him ?
>>
>> For the life of me I don't get how people can do this.
>> Every member should go out of their way to meet and shake
>> hands with the new person and TALK to him.  Find out his
>> expectations of the group and let him know what the group
>> expects of him.
>> Introduce him to members with similar interests.
>>
>> Is it they we are all too set in our ways or just too lazy
>> to make an effort to greet new members ?
>>
>>
>> I think we need to get some visibility in QST.  I'm sure a
>> phone call to the league would result in having a PSA type
>> ad placed in QST on an ongoing basis.  I would be glad to
>> make that call if no one else desires to do so.
>>
>> Larry K5XG
>> Chapter 41
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave - VE3JX"<ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
>> To: "QCWA - Reflector"<qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 8:00 AM
>> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
>>
>>
>>
>>> Hi Larry,
>>>
>>> I think we might be missing the point:  We can get, and
>>>
>> are getting, people to
>>
>>> JOIN QCWA.  The problem seems to be in RETAINING them.
>>>
>>> It's like we're catching the fish, but they're jumping out
>>>
>> of the boat later.
>>
>>> The lure seems to be working; the creel isn't.
>>>
>>> Sponsoring does not involve paying for the new membership;
>>>
>> the new member still
>>
>>> has to drink on his own, does he not?
>>>
>>> You're absolutely right about many eligible not knowing
>>>
>> anything about QCWA.
>>
>>> QCWA does advertise its existence in most ham magazines, I
>>>
>> believe.  Perhaps the
>>
>>> most effective way to advertise, aside from hamfests,
>>>
>> might be through
>>
>>> presentations made to local clubs?  (I'm guessing here;
>>>
>> and I'd like to hear
>>
>>> your experiences with this.)  Or, perhaps individual
>>>
>> members' word of mouth?
>>
>>> One thing for sure: our President is a "joiner".  Did you
>>>
>> see the list of
>>
>>> credits after his name, hi hi?
>>>
>>> Hi Bob,
>>>
>>> Great to see your comments.
>>>
>>> I'm afraid I'm partial to cruises.  But, I do agree that
>>>
>> they should be used
>>
>>> sparingly as a convention venue.  Actually, I don't think
>>>
>> they've been overused
>>
>>> up to this point, nor do I see that ever being the case.
>>>
>> However, they seem to
>>
>>> attract negative comments. Why?  I wonder if those who
>>>
>> complain about their
>>
>>> being convention cruises are regular attenders of the
>>>
>> land-based conventions?
>>
>>> Cruises can be a nice venue for enjoying a relaxed slate
>>>
>> of convention forums,
>>
>>> and they have been well-attended.  I plan to go on the
>>>
>> next one, if any.  (Mind
>>
>>> you, I also plan to be at the land-based ones as well.)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Dave VE3JX.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Larry Essary"<larry at pulse.net>
>>> To: "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>; "QCWA - Reflector"
>>>
>> <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
>>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 2:47 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Bob...
>>>>
>>>> The times we are living in are far different than 20 or
>>>>
>> 30
>>
>>>> years ago.   People, for whatever reason, no longer seem
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> be "joiners".
>>>> Its not just QCWA or ham radio in general, but in all
>>>> groups.    Be it less disposable income or certainly
>>>>
>> less
>>
>>>> time... getting people to do something that isn't in the
>>>>
>> top
>>
>>>> 3 things on their list to do is difficult if not
>>>>
>> impossible.
>>
>>>> I'm more concerned that there appears to be a whole
>>>> generation of hams that have no idea or knowledge of
>>>>
>> QCWA.
>>
>>>> There are a significant number of hams that have be
>>>>
>> licensed
>>
>>>> over 25 years that don't know about QCWA.
>>>>
>>>> It's a great idea to sponsor any number of hams...  but
>>>>
>> it's
>>
>>>> like the saying, "You can get a horse to water....".
>>>>
>>>> I think that we, as multiple generations of hams, need
>>>>
>> to
>>
>>>> figure out just how to get people to be "joiners" again.
>>>>
>>>> It's going to take all of us nationally to address this
>>>> issue.   One more member is one more member.
>>>> Let's all do our best for  QCWA.
>>>>
>>>> Larry K5XG  Chapter 41
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: "Bob Roske"<broske at hutchtel.net>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Everybody,
>>>>
>>>> This topic has slowed to a crawl and I think everyone
>>>>
>> that
>>
>>>> wants to, has responded.
>>>>
>>>> My thoughts in no particular order.  If I disagree with
>>>> something you said, good for you!
>>>> If we all agree, it would be a dull and boring world.
>>>>
>>>> For those that don't realize it, the members already
>>>>
>> have
>>
>>>> the power.  It was member power
>>>> that insured my election in 2008, it will be member
>>>>
>> power
>>
>>>> that saves this organization.
>>>> The Board Members can (and do) sponsor dozens of members
>>>>
>> a
>>
>>>> year.  During his 4 years as
>>>> President, John, W3BE sponsored 78 members.  I guess
>>>>
>> leading
>>
>>>> by example doesn't work.
>>>> I've sponsored as many as 5 during a year, not counting
>>>> Dayton.  It takes time, and
>>>> effort, and money.  Every member needs to sponsor
>>>>
>> someone.
>>
>>>> Val, W5PUT suggests by
>>>> the end of the year.   I suggest an easier approach,
>>>>
>> sponsor
>>
>>>> one new member every 5 years.
>>>> Yes, 1 every 5 years.  That would be 3 or 4 times the
>>>> current annual number of new
>>>> members.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> __
>>
>>>> QCWA mailing list
>>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
>>>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>>>> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>>>>
>>>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>>>> Please help support this email list:
>>>>
>> http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> __
>>
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>>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
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>>>
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>>> Please help support this email list:
>>>
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>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
>>
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Wed Aug 11 11:51:33 2010
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 10:51:33 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <014e01cb396a$722e61b0$4101a8c0@larry>
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	<014e01cb396a$722e61b0$4101a8c0@larry>
Message-ID: <4B30A02167864B84A884E2B3E5B0B8FD@BobsWeb>

> This too is a problem I see all too often in the local ham
> clubs including our own local QCWA chapter.
>
> A new person shows up and wants to be part of the group.  He
> is ignored; treated with indifference.

>> This couldn't have been said any better!

Many Hams are introverts, on a mike, key or keyboard they can communicate all day long. 
In person they're a clam.

If you see someone at your meeting that you don't know and they are being ignored, excuse 
yourself from the group you are shooting the breeze with and make them un-ignored?  Or 
better yet, take the group with you.

Either way, the responsibility is yours, the power is yours, the pleasure of making a new 
friend that happens to be a Ham, is also yours.

You have the power, enjoy using it!

73,
Bob, N0UF


From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 11 11:57:49 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 11:57:49 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <4B30A02167864B84A884E2B3E5B0B8FD@BobsWeb>
References: <72F2BF4F14374003AD0E82E9571A9211@BobsWeb><00a001cb3921$09a344b0$4101a8c0@larry><BLU0-SMTP755683DF32AAE62BEE8CEA83960@phx.gbl><014e01cb396a$722e61b0$4101a8c0@larry>
	<4B30A02167864B84A884E2B3E5B0B8FD@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP520DB450F2ADFD2431F62083960@phx.gbl>

Well said!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>
To: "QCWA - Reflector" <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


>> This too is a problem I see all too often in the local ham
>> clubs including our own local QCWA chapter.
>>
>> A new person shows up and wants to be part of the group.  He
>> is ignored; treated with indifference.
>
>>> This couldn't have been said any better!
>
> Many Hams are introverts, on a mike, key or keyboard they can communicate all 
> day long.
> In person they're a clam.
>
> If you see someone at your meeting that you don't know and they are being 
> ignored, excuse
> yourself from the group you are shooting the breeze with and make them 
> un-ignored?  Or
> better yet, take the group with you.
>
> Either way, the responsibility is yours, the power is yours, the pleasure of 
> making a new
> friend that happens to be a Ham, is also yours.
>
> You have the power, enjoy using it!
>
> 73,
> Bob, N0UF
>
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From w0uji at citlink.net  Wed Aug 11 13:40:07 2010
From: w0uji at citlink.net (=?Windows-1252?Q?Gene_W=D8UJI?=)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 12:40:07 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Fw: would it be ok to send this to them QCWA
Message-ID: <010001cb397c$3d80f2e0$01fea8c0@D5BXLBC1>

 

Hello:  I have been reading  the many letters posted and have enjoyed reading.  I am a Life Member, chapter 210 here in Omaha Ne, we have a great group all ages.    My wife and I enjoy going every month and we drive 150 miles, to go.  We even have the pleasure of seeing Leo  W?GFQ and his friend in the summer months.  We usually have around 35 to 50 show up in the OLD COUNTRY BUFFET, and visitors from Western Iowa and S.Dak and N Eastern Kan.  We welcome all ages.  We have some that call us GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB.  Just invite a Ham friend to come with you.  CUL Harold (Gene) Martin W?UJI Neligh ,Ne  w0uji at citlink.net 







>From Gene W?UJI in Neligh, Ne
Web Page Http://w0uji.tripod.com

From w8op at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 21:26:55 2010
From: w8op at comcast.net (w8op at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:26:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [QCWA] Gold Certificate Requests ?
Message-ID: <1702875763.1489471.1281576415923.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Who is the contact person at HQ for requesting Gold Certificates ? 



Alan Carpenter W8OP 

Chapter 30 Sec/Treas 












From w8op at comcast.net  Wed Aug 11 21:33:52 2010
From: w8op at comcast.net (w8op at comcast.net)
Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2010 01:33:52 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [QCWA] Gold Certificate Requests ?
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I guess I answered my own question.? 



Looks like Chuck K1IGD, GM 



Alan W8OP 





----- Original Message ----- 
From: w8op at comcast.net 
To: qcwa at mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:26:55 AM 
Subject: [QCWA] Gold Certificate Requests ? 



Who is the contact person at HQ for requesting Gold Certificates ? 



Alan Carpenter W8OP 

Chapter 30 Sec/Treas 











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Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2010 2:26:55 AM 
Subject: [QCWA] Gold Certificate Requests ? 



Who is the contact person at HQ for requesting Gold Certificates ? 



Alan Carpenter W8OP 

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From w4vz at bellsouth.net  Sun Aug 15 14:39:11 2010
From: w4vz at bellsouth.net (Arthur R. Rauch)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 14:39:11 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Andy Clark Chapter #12 QCWA Meeting Notice
Message-ID: <CDD6FCE8C6AE4F5A95FC62FB08DB7982@arthur9252b9ef>

The next regular monthly meeting of  The Andy Clark Chapter #12 QCWA will be on Saturday August 21st 12 noon at Piccadilly Classic American Cooking
8301 West Flagler St. Miami FL. Bring a friend . Visitors are always welcome.

Art Rauch W4VZ Secretary

From kf5lo at att.net  Mon Aug 16 00:37:19 2010
From: kf5lo at att.net (Victor Martin)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 21:37:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Fort Worth Chapter 72 Monthly Meeting
Message-ID: <478711.94140.qm@web80002.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

Greetings, 
?
Mark your calendar for Saturday, August 21, 2010 as a reminder of the monthly 
Fort Worth QCWA Chapter 72 meeting. . It will be at the Spring Creek Barbecue in 
West Fort Worth (8628 Camp Bowie W (works in Google maps). -- also known as Hwy. 
80 and Weatherford Hwy.). (or?paste this into your browser 
http://www.qcwa.org/chapter072map.html ) The doors open at 11:00.
?
?
Hope to see you there.
?
73,
?
Ted
KF5LO
Secretary
Kf5lo at att.net
?PS:? Remember the weekly 2 meter net ?Tuesday at 1930 (7:30 PM) CDST on?the 
Lockheed Martin Recreation Association repeater on 147.28 (+) with a pl of 
110.9.

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Mon Aug 16 22:29:36 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:29:36 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP520DB450F2ADFD2431F62083960@phx.gbl>
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Greetings all,

I guess we've run out of gas on this topic.  Just to sum up, the several 
suggestions to retain members and increase membership are:

1. Everyone recruit.
2. Recruit at local clubs and hamfests.
3. Create a warm, welcoming atmoshere at chapter meetings and get-togethers.
4. Improve the quality of chapter meetings by having interesting programs.
5. Promote a project at the chapter level, inviting member participation.

Okay, am I missing anything?  Should we add anything else to our list?

Dave. 


From k1xv at arrl.net  Tue Aug 17 15:32:02 2010
From: k1xv at arrl.net (Raymond Makul)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
Message-ID: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>

My suggestions are as follows:

QCWA eligibility begins at one's 25th licensing anniversary.  Logically, the age 
of potential new recruits could be as young as late 30s.

I think our publications put too much emphasis on honoring members way up in the 
age range via longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who wanted to join 
QCWA (and he is very respectful and helpful to elderly hams) but he was put off 
by reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people 30-50 years older than 
himself.  We need to be more inclusive of "middle age" hams.   And members in 
this age category are more likely to pony up for life membership.  A Life 
Member, by definition, will not be a drop out!!

Make all of our meetings open meetings, regardless of whether one is a member, 
or qualifies to be a member.  


At chapter meetings, have at least some speakers covering contemporary amateur 
radio matters, and publicize the meeting/speaker to the amateur radio community 
at large.

Ray   K1XV
President, Twin State Chapter 146, VT-NH

From schulertjf at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 17 19:21:48 2010
From: schulertjf at hotmail.com (James F Schulert)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:21:48 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Monthly Luncheon/Dinner
 Meeting Saturday, August 21
Message-ID: <SNT123-W591CD800CFB02126A61DD1C19C0@phx.gbl>


Ed, KI4AGL, made the arrangements at China First Buffet, 691 East Altamonte Drive, Altamonte Springs, FL (407) 830-9700 for 2PM on Saturday August 21 for our QCWA  lunch meeting. They have lots of good food. Prices change at 3:30 to evening prices.
>From I-4 travelling East/West,use Exit 92. Eastbound Turn right on Semoran Blvd, St Rd 436.Westbound Turn Left on Semoran Blvd. St Rd 436.Continue on St Rd 436 to China First Buffet, 691 East Altamonte Drive, Altamonte Springs, FL (407) 830-9700.

Anyone in the area is welcome and encouraged to attend. YLs and XYLs are also welcome.

Please attend if you can.

Jim Schulert AI4LE
Secretary, QCWA Citrus Ch.#45

E-Mail _schulertjf at hotmail.com  		 	   		  

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Tue Aug 17 22:50:56 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:50:56 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C6B4A90.8010102@suddenlink.net>

  On 8/17/2010 2:32 PM, Raymond Makul wrote:
> I think our publications put too much emphasis on
> honoring members way up in the age range via
> longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who
> wanted to join QCWA (and he is very respectful and
> helpful to elderly hams) but he was put off by
> reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people
> 30-50 years older than himself.

Perhaps the QCWA needs to re-focus on it's stated purpose.
"Welcoming anyone who has been licensed 25 years or more."

I am, however, beginning to see a pattern here that might just
explain the attitudes and friction.

Everyone that was licensed prior to WWII, would have, at the
latest, been eligible to join the QCWA by 1965. What would be
the big changes after that date? Vietnam, Nixon, hippies, civil
rights and TouchTone(tm) telephones. No more steam engines,
or propeller driven commercial airplanes.

And the newly licensed folks that got their tickets between
1945 and 1965 would have all been Elmered by this batch
of older hams.

The world changed, almost over night. It suddenly became a
lot smaller and a lot scarier.

What has happened in just the last 25 years? Cell phones, the
internet, personal computers, amateur packet radio and no-
code.

Just like the dinosaurs, they never saw the comet coming. But
they HAVE seen the changes that happened after the "impact."

Alvin Toffler spoke about this back in 1970 with his book, Future
Shock.

Perhaps what we need to do now, is to make our goal and
purpose to welcome new members. To openly embrace the
new technologies. (Or at least technology that has happened
between 1945 and 1985. *wink*)

Associate Memberships for people that have been licensed
less than 25 years years is not the solution. That's only a
short term "we want more money" for the chapters.  If we
continue to treat newcomers as we have in the past, they
won't even consider joining us after they've done their 25
years.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi



From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 18 11:30:45 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:30:45 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
References: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP51513B33961B84D10D4D65839D0@phx.gbl>

Greetings Raymond,

Your chapter is one of those organizing the 2011 QCWA Convention in Rhode 
Island.  All the best on your hard work in that regard!  We will look forward to 
seeing you there, barring emergencies or such.

Your blurb is a very good presentation of what several others have said.  We 
need something to attract AND KEEP our "younger" members.  Chapter/National 
projects are one idea, as well as good presentations that include "some speakers 
covering contemporary amateur radio matters" at chapter meetings, as you put it.

As far as our publications go, WE, i.e. the membership, can correct that by 
contributing articles for publication in the Journal.  It is all in our hands.

Even so, we need to add that point to our list:

1. Everyone recruit.
2. Recruit at local clubs and hamfests.
3. Create a warm, welcoming atmoshere at chapter meetings and get-togethers.
4. Improve the quality of chapter meetings by having interesting programs.
5. Promote a project at the chapter level, inviting member participation.
6. Improve Journal contents to include information for our "younger" members.

Thank you very much for your fine, experienced input.  It is truly valued.

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Makul" <k1xv at arrl.net>
To: <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


> My suggestions are as follows:
>
> QCWA eligibility begins at one's 25th licensing anniversary.  Logically, the 
> age
> of potential new recruits could be as young as late 30s.
>
> I think our publications put too much emphasis on honoring members way up in 
> the
> age range via longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who wanted to join
> QCWA (and he is very respectful and helpful to elderly hams) but he was put 
> off
> by reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people 30-50 years older than
> himself.  We need to be more inclusive of "middle age" hams.   And members in
> this age category are more likely to pony up for life membership.  A Life
> Member, by definition, will not be a drop out!!
>
> Make all of our meetings open meetings, regardless of whether one is a member,
> or qualifies to be a member.
>
>
> At chapter meetings, have at least some speakers covering contemporary amateur
> radio matters, and publicize the meeting/speaker to the amateur radio 
> community
> at large.
>
> Ray   K1XV
> President, Twin State Chapter 146, VT-NH
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From lstaples at kc.rr.com  Wed Aug 18 12:20:02 2010
From: lstaples at kc.rr.com (Larry Staples)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:20:02 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1282147230.25022.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
References: <mailman.29.1282147230.25022.qcwa@mailman.qth.net>
Message-ID: <F1C03193-6DE9-498A-BDC8-86CEB41703E8@kc.rr.com>

I think VE3JX has the right idea, especially the good programs.  In our area QCWA would have to offer something unique and that is hard to do when the members are retired and not full of "pi__ and vinegar."


Larry Staples - W0AIB
 

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>      Meeting Saturday, August 21 (James F Schulert)
>   3. Re: 2010 Membership (Jeffrey Angus)
>   4. Re: 2010 Membership (Dave - VE3JX)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:32:02 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Raymond Makul <k1xv at arrl.net>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
> To: QCWA at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <92961.45782.qm at web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> My suggestions are as follows:
> 
> QCWA eligibility begins at one's 25th licensing anniversary.  Logically, the age 
> of potential new recruits could be as young as late 30s.
> 
> I think our publications put too much emphasis on honoring members way up in the 
> age range via longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who wanted to join 
> QCWA (and he is very respectful and helpful to elderly hams) but he was put off 
> by reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people 30-50 years older than 
> himself.  We need to be more inclusive of "middle age" hams.   And members in 
> this age category are more likely to pony up for life membership.  A Life 
> Member, by definition, will not be a drop out!!
> 
> Make all of our meetings open meetings, regardless of whether one is a member, 
> or qualifies to be a member.  
> 
> 
> At chapter meetings, have at least some speakers covering contemporary amateur 
> radio matters, and publicize the meeting/speaker to the amateur radio community 
> at large.
> 
> Ray   K1XV
> President, Twin State Chapter 146, VT-NH
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 19:21:48 -0400
> From: James F Schulert <schulertjf at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Orlando Fl Citrus Chapter #45 Monthly
> 	Luncheon/Dinner Meeting Saturday, August 21
> To: QCWA Reflector <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <SNT123-W591CD800CFB02126A61DD1C19C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> 
> Ed, KI4AGL, made the arrangements at China First Buffet, 691 East Altamonte Drive, Altamonte Springs, FL (407) 830-9700 for 2PM on Saturday August 21 for our QCWA  lunch meeting. They have lots of good food. Prices change at 3:30 to evening prices.
>> From I-4 travelling East/West,use Exit 92. Eastbound Turn right on Semoran Blvd, St Rd 436.Westbound Turn Left on Semoran Blvd. St Rd 436.Continue on St Rd 436 to China First Buffet, 691 East Altamonte Drive, Altamonte Springs, FL (407) 830-9700.
> 
> Anyone in the area is welcome and encouraged to attend. YLs and XYLs are also welcome.
> 
> Please attend if you can.
> 
> Jim Schulert AI4LE
> Secretary, QCWA Citrus Ch.#45
> 
> E-Mail _schulertjf at hotmail.com  		 	   		  
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 21:50:56 -0500
> From: Jeffrey Angus <jangus at suddenlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
> To: QCWA at mailman.qth.net
> Message-ID: <4C6B4A90.8010102 at suddenlink.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
>  On 8/17/2010 2:32 PM, Raymond Makul wrote:
>> I think our publications put too much emphasis on
>> honoring members way up in the age range via
>> longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who
>> wanted to join QCWA (and he is very respectful and
>> helpful to elderly hams) but he was put off by
>> reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people
>> 30-50 years older than himself.
> 
> Perhaps the QCWA needs to re-focus on it's stated purpose.
> "Welcoming anyone who has been licensed 25 years or more."
> 
> I am, however, beginning to see a pattern here that might just
> explain the attitudes and friction.
> 
> Everyone that was licensed prior to WWII, would have, at the
> latest, been eligible to join the QCWA by 1965. What would be
> the big changes after that date? Vietnam, Nixon, hippies, civil
> rights and TouchTone(tm) telephones. No more steam engines,
> or propeller driven commercial airplanes.
> 
> And the newly licensed folks that got their tickets between
> 1945 and 1965 would have all been Elmered by this batch
> of older hams.
> 
> The world changed, almost over night. It suddenly became a
> lot smaller and a lot scarier.
> 
> What has happened in just the last 25 years? Cell phones, the
> internet, personal computers, amateur packet radio and no-
> code.
> 
> Just like the dinosaurs, they never saw the comet coming. But
> they HAVE seen the changes that happened after the "impact."
> 
> Alvin Toffler spoke about this back in 1970 with his book, Future
> Shock.
> 
> Perhaps what we need to do now, is to make our goal and
> purpose to welcome new members. To openly embrace the
> new technologies. (Or at least technology that has happened
> between 1945 and 1985. *wink*)
> 
> Associate Memberships for people that have been licensed
> less than 25 years years is not the solution. That's only a
> short term "we want more money" for the chapters.  If we
> continue to treat newcomers as we have in the past, they
> won't even consider joining us after they've done their 25
> years.
> 
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:30:45 -0400
> From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
> To: "Raymond Makul" <k1xv at arrl.net>,	<QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP51513B33961B84D10D4D65839D0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
> 
> Greetings Raymond,
> 
> Your chapter is one of those organizing the 2011 QCWA Convention in Rhode 
> Island.  All the best on your hard work in that regard!  We will look forward to 
> seeing you there, barring emergencies or such.
> 
> Your blurb is a very good presentation of what several others have said.  We 
> need something to attract AND KEEP our "younger" members.  Chapter/National 
> projects are one idea, as well as good presentations that include "some speakers 
> covering contemporary amateur radio matters" at chapter meetings, as you put it.
> 
> As far as our publications go, WE, i.e. the membership, can correct that by 
> contributing articles for publication in the Journal.  It is all in our hands.
> 
> Even so, we need to add that point to our list:
> 
> 1. Everyone recruit.
> 2. Recruit at local clubs and hamfests.
> 3. Create a warm, welcoming atmoshere at chapter meetings and get-togethers.
> 4. Improve the quality of chapter meetings by having interesting programs.
> 5. Promote a project at the chapter level, inviting member participation.
> 6. Improve Journal contents to include information for our "younger" members.
> 
> Thank you very much for your fine, experienced input.  It is truly valued.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Dave VE3JX.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Makul" <k1xv at arrl.net>
> To: <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 3:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
> 
> 
>> My suggestions are as follows:
>> 
>> QCWA eligibility begins at one's 25th licensing anniversary.  Logically, the 
>> age
>> of potential new recruits could be as young as late 30s.
>> 
>> I think our publications put too much emphasis on honoring members way up in 
>> the
>> age range via longevity awards.  I have a friend, age 47,  who wanted to join
>> QCWA (and he is very respectful and helpful to elderly hams) but he was put 
>> off
>> by reading the Journal, where he saw mostly people 30-50 years older than
>> himself.  We need to be more inclusive of "middle age" hams.   And members in
>> this age category are more likely to pony up for life membership.  A Life
>> Member, by definition, will not be a drop out!!
>> 
>> Make all of our meetings open meetings, regardless of whether one is a member,
>> or qualifies to be a member.
>> 
>> 
>> At chapter meetings, have at least some speakers covering contemporary amateur
>> radio matters, and publicize the meeting/speaker to the amateur radio 
>> community
>> at large.
>> 
>> Ray   K1XV
>> President, Twin State Chapter 146, VT-NH
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> QCWA mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
>> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
>> 
>> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net
>> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
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> 
> 
> End of QCWA Digest, Vol 76, Issue 16
> ************************************


From nss at mwt.net  Wed Aug 18 12:40:10 2010
From: nss at mwt.net (Joe)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 11:40:10 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <4C6B4A90.8010102@suddenlink.net>
References: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com>
	<4C6B4A90.8010102@suddenlink.net>
Message-ID: <4C6C0CEA.9080005@mwt.net>

  OK, I admit it,

And actually I honestly do not remember if I am a member or not?  (Gives 
clue here as to age qualification to being a member)  But I know I 
qualify that's for sure been Licensed since 1975.  But if I AM a member 
I have done nothing with the membership,  or at the same time membership 
has done nothing for me that I know of.

I know  that fits into the comment that someone made a while ago, that 
said,  what's in it for me?  What do I get out of it for being a member?

This does indeed sound self centered,  but with sooo much now days 
competing for a persons any free time, what benefit does someone get for 
being a member?  Honestly!

Just like a club meeting,,  the clubs that have presentations each month 
that make the meeting interesting have LOTS of members in their 
meetings, because the attender gets something out of taking their time 
to go to the meeting.  Whereas,  the meetings where they rehash what was 
discussed at the last meeting,  then vote to accept the minutes from the 
last meeting,  after that is done  they discuss new stuff,  what stuff?  
whats in the treasury,,  when is the next meeting  etc.  BORING CRAP!  
But if you attend these meetings often you'll notice the only people 
that are there constantly are the board of directors (because they have 
to) and a maybe single handful of others.  But that's it.

And  this group actually needs to offer something to the person also.

So  What does being a member of this group offer someone to want to be a 
member?

Joe WB9SBD

The Original Rolling Ball Clock
Idle Tyme
Idle-Tyme.com
http://www.idle-tyme.com



From w0uji at citlink.net  Wed Aug 18 13:07:47 2010
From: w0uji at citlink.net (=?Windows-1252?Q?Gene_W=D8UJI?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 12:07:47 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Fw:  Fw: would it be ok to send this to them QCWA
Message-ID: <002901cb3ef7$e2700ef0$01fea8c0@D5BXLBC1>

 To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: [QCWA] Fw: would it be ok to send this to them QCWA




Hello:  I have been reading  the many letters posted and have enjoyed 
reading.  I am a Life Member, chapter 210 here in Omaha Ne, we have a great 
group all ages.    My wife and I enjoy going every month and we drive 150 
miles, to go.  We even have the pleasure of seeing Leo  W?GFQ and his friend 
in the summer months.  We usually have around 35 to 50 show up in the OLD 
COUNTRY BUFFET, and visitors from Western Iowa and S.Dak and N Eastern Kan. 
We welcome all ages.  We have some that call us GOOD OLD BOYS CLUB.  Just 
invite a Ham friend to come with you.  CUL Harold (Gene) Martin W?UJI Neligh 
,Ne  w0uji at citlink.net







>From Gene W?UJI in Neligh, Ne
Web Page Http://w0uji.tripod.com
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 18 13:36:17 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:36:17 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <4C6C0CEA.9080005@mwt.net>
References: <92961.45782.qm@web65413.mail.ac4.yahoo.com><4C6B4A90.8010102@suddenlink.net>
	<4C6C0CEA.9080005@mwt.net>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP1396B36E114A03E906F15E839D0@phx.gbl>

Hi Joe,

Thank you for your input.  As far as membership goes, I did not find you in the 
online roster.  So, you are likely not a member at this time.

"What's in it for me?"  I guess to a certain degree, you get out of it what you 
put into it.

However, I really want to answer your last question:  "What does being a member 
of this group offer someone to want to be a member?"

A fair question, that I'd like to answer with other questions:

Do you want to be informed of upcoming events in various chapters, or 
internationally?

Do you want to be informed of pending changes to QCWA National that may affect 
you?

Do you want to be able to contribute to timely discussions as this one has 
proved to be?

Do you want to have your say about problems or changes or improvements WRT QCWA?

Do you want a forum where the Board of Directors are listeners and participants, 
where you can catch their attention?

Do you want a forum where exciting new ideas can be exhaustively shared and 
discussed with other like members?

And, do you want all this to be free from expense to you?

If the answer is "yes", you want to be a member of this QCWA Reflector group. 
To make it even more valuable, you will want to invite all your fellow members 
to join it as well.

And, you will want to renew your membership to make sure that you are taken 
seriously.  We need you as an active QCWA member.  IMHO anyway.

Have a great day Joe.

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe" <nss at mwt.net>
To: <qcwa at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


>  OK, I admit it,
>
> And actually I honestly do not remember if I am a member or not?  (Gives
> clue here as to age qualification to being a member)  But I know I
> qualify that's for sure been Licensed since 1975.  But if I AM a member
> I have done nothing with the membership,  or at the same time membership
> has done nothing for me that I know of.
>
> I know  that fits into the comment that someone made a while ago, that
> said,  what's in it for me?  What do I get out of it for being a member?
>
> This does indeed sound self centered,  but with sooo much now days
> competing for a persons any free time, what benefit does someone get for
> being a member?  Honestly!
>
> Just like a club meeting,,  the clubs that have presentations each month
> that make the meeting interesting have LOTS of members in their
> meetings, because the attender gets something out of taking their time
> to go to the meeting.  Whereas,  the meetings where they rehash what was
> discussed at the last meeting,  then vote to accept the minutes from the
> last meeting,  after that is done  they discuss new stuff,  what stuff?
> whats in the treasury,,  when is the next meeting  etc.  BORING CRAP!
> But if you attend these meetings often you'll notice the only people
> that are there constantly are the board of directors (because they have
> to) and a maybe single handful of others.  But that's it.
>
> And  this group actually needs to offer something to the person also.
>
> So  What does being a member of this group offer someone to want to be a
> member?
>
> Joe WB9SBD
>
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> QCWA mailing list
> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwa
> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
> Post: mailto:QCWA at mailman.qth.net
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From jangus at suddenlink.net  Wed Aug 18 14:06:42 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:06:42 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP1396B36E114A03E906F15E839D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100818130642.NC4R1.93449.root@Web02>

Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I have NO desire what so ever to change the
membership requirements of the QCWA. If you've had a license at least 25
years ago, you qualify. Period. As it should be. 

What I do have an issue with is the apparent desire by some members to
charge non-qualified people some amount to be an "associate member." 

After all, this is a "Quarter Century" and not the "1/100th or 1/8th Century"
Wireless Association.

A lot of licensed amateur get pretty excited and very vocal about their
opinion of amateur radio being dumbed down. <pick reason of choice>
Yet oddly, some of them are the same ones that would want to "relax"
the membership requirements for the QCWA. 

On being open to having other people attend meetings and such....

Back in 1975, I was in San Jose, CA on a temporary work assignment and
ran into a QCWA member at a store. I asked if I could attend a meeting. When
I pointed out that I had only been licensed for 8 years, the reply I got was, 
"Come back when you've been licensed for 25 years."

Despite that, when my 25 years was up, I joined the QCWA. After all, I did
my time so to speak.

But as I've said, and some others as well, we need to be a lot more open and
welcoming to others so that when they too have done their time, they will want
to join our organization.

We need to make it clear that although the basic requirement is 25 years, there
aren't a bunch of other secret rules that determine whether or not a new member
is going to feel welcome.

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

--
Fox's Mercantile, Ranger TX

From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Wed Aug 18 14:29:52 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:29:52 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <20100818130642.NC4R1.93449.root@Web02>
References: <20100818130642.NC4R1.93449.root@Web02>
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP20E126566B1A72CEDE00C1839D0@phx.gbl>

Agreed Jeff.

I also think that allowing others besides QCWA members to attend chapter
meetings is a good idea.  The only stipulation I would have is that they not be
allowed to nominate, vote, etc., WRT chapter business and especially elections.
However, their attendance and welcome may go a long way to encourage their
future membership.

I also believe that we have a huge qualified ham population out there from which
we can draw QCWA members.  How do we attract more of them?  And, more
importantly, how do we KEEP them once they've joined?

That has been the point of this discussion and many positive ideas and comments
have been received.  Yours among them.  Thanks very much Jeff.

Cheers,

Dave VE3JX.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <jangus at suddenlink.net>
To: <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [QCWA] 2010 Membership


> Perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I have NO desire what so ever to change the
> membership requirements of the QCWA. If you've had a license at least 25
> years ago, you qualify. Period. As it should be.
>
> What I do have an issue with is the apparent desire by some members to
> charge non-qualified people some amount to be an "associate member."
>
> After all, this is a "Quarter Century" and not the "1/100th or 1/8th Century"
> Wireless Association.
>
> A lot of licensed amateur get pretty excited and very vocal about their
> opinion of amateur radio being dumbed down. <pick reason of choice>
> Yet oddly, some of them are the same ones that would want to "relax"
> the membership requirements for the QCWA.
>
> On being open to having other people attend meetings and such....
>
> Back in 1975, I was in San Jose, CA on a temporary work assignment and
> ran into a QCWA member at a store. I asked if I could attend a meeting. When
> I pointed out that I had only been licensed for 8 years, the reply I got was,
> "Come back when you've been licensed for 25 years."
>
> Despite that, when my 25 years was up, I joined the QCWA. After all, I did
> my time so to speak.
>
> But as I've said, and some others as well, we need to be a lot more open and
> welcoming to others so that when they too have done their time, they will want
> to join our organization.
>
> We need to make it clear that although the basic requirement is 25 years,
> there
> aren't a bunch of other secret rules that determine whether or not a new
> member
> is going to feel welcome.
>
> Jeff-1.0
> wa6fwi
>
> --
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From sittingbullsuncle at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 14:50:10 2010
From: sittingbullsuncle at gmail.com (Choff)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 13:50:10 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Membership 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMwWxv0z+GpTPiYGOLhc5aUcNv4dqETO5eQ=AG@mail.gmail.com>

"Easy does it..." seems to always work the best and taking a casual social
demeanor is comfortable for older members
as well as prospective members or even guests.  One account I read on this
topic mentioned a rude response to an
inquiry about visiting a chapter meeting.  Of course that was one grouchy
guy in a Walmart.  HIHI!

Twenty years ago I was the chapter president for the South Texas bunch.  Our
policy then was that anyone not terribly
disruptive was welcome to sit in on our meetings if they could tolerate
those of use who had missed their meds and were
out of sorts.  HIHI.  Really, our open door practice worked out well and one
thing we did was invite the leaders of the other
radio clubs to be speakers on topics of their best activities [and invite
their members to hear their leader speak].

A QCWA chapter meeting can be a challenge to preside due to the fact that
everyone there knows more than you!  They
do!  All my mentors were in that chapter.  So a respectful sense of humor
goes a long way in keeping the meeting
rolling with an emphasis on the motto:  If it isn't fun don't do it!  Our
meetings were really fun and our speakers were
typically 30-40 years of age with some radio adventure under their belt.

I really have no advice on how to add to your membership but what I do know
is that QCWA is a social organization first,
last and always, so make it enjoyable if not belly laughing funny.  Not only
did we get the OM's coming in droves their
wives insisted on coming too. Yahoo!  Next thing we knew we had Elmers
bringing their young charges to tell a story of
their first QSO, visiting hams from the USNaval station and USCG Super Group
station and other military personnel showing
up in uniform to tell of their tours and theater amateur radio activity
[shhhh!  It happens].

Anyhow I think maybe we beat this poor horse to death and are still riding
the pathetic thang.  From here I'm walkin.
Sure is great to be able to associate with all of you this way.  Beats 20m
RTTY but I've been there too.  HIHI.
Has your state of the art experimental station become a famous BOAT ANCHOR
now?  Should that be a special designation?

73
RIK
K5SittingBullsUncle
[See profile on QRZ.COM]

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Wed Aug 18 15:25:40 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (jangus at suddenlink.net)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 14:25:40 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 2010 Membership
In-Reply-To: <BLU0-SMTP20E126566B1A72CEDE00C1839D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20100818142540.9LP6M.95543.root@Web02>

Dave - VE3JX <ve3jx at sympatico.ca> wrote: 
> I also think that allowing others besides QCWA members to attend chapter
> meetings is a good idea.  The only stipulation I would have is that they not be
> allowed to nominate, vote, etc., WRT chapter business and especially elections.

That should be painfully obvious, but you're right, it needs to be said before
people think we want just "any Joe ham" to gain control over the chapters.

And Choff added:
> Our policy then was that anyone not terribly disruptive was welcome to
> sit in on our meetings if they could tolerate those of us who had missed
> their meds and were out of sorts. 

Well said, and it shows also a bit of a sense of humor about ourselves. 
Something else that seems to be lacking in a lot of places these days.

Something I just noticed this afternoon, I qualify for the Old Old Timers
Club. Where does the time go? Guess I really am qualified to sit on my
front porch and yell at kids to get off my lawn. ;-)

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi


--
Fox's Mercantile, Ranger TX

From W8EK at flham.net  Thu Aug 19 09:34:34 2010
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 09:34:34 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] Ocala, FL, Chapter 62 meeting August 26
Message-ID: <4C6D32EA.5020908@flham.net>


Ocala FL Chapter 62 QCWA Meeting, Thursday, August 26 at 1:15 PM
at Uptown Grill in Ocala.

In case you have not been to the Uptown Grill, it is at 2436
East Silver Springs Blvd, on the south side of Silver Springs
Blvd, just west of 25th Ave, and the government complex.  CVS
is across the street (on the north side).  There is not too
much parking in front of the restaurant, but there is plenty
in back, with an additional entrance from the back. The
meeting room is on the right, if you enter from the front.

Since the Uptown Grill has its own "lunch crowd" they prefer
that we not arrive too early.  We have set the meeting time
for 1:15 PM.  Please plan to arrive between 1:00 and 1:15 PM.

Ben, N6SL, will be presenting a program on antennas and antenna software.

See you on August 26.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
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From k5fnq at lusfiber.net  Thu Aug 19 21:27:19 2010
From: k5fnq at lusfiber.net (K5FNQ)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:27:19 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 50 years
Message-ID: <4C6DD9F7.5010005@lusfiber.net>

Group - what happens when we hit 50 years as a ham (1960 first licensed 
here)?
Any 1/2 CWA group around?
Art K5FNQ

From ewswenson50 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 19 21:58:30 2010
From: ewswenson50 at comcast.net (ewswenson50 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 01:58:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [QCWA] 50 Years
In-Reply-To: <359483691.247723.1282269399830.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1545600792.247790.1282269510132.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



"Group - what happens when we hit 50 years as a ham (1960 first licensed 
here)? 
Any 1/2 CWA group around? 
Art K5FNQ" 



Actually Art, the Old Old Timers Club requires you to be licensed for 45 years. Go for it. No law saying you can't belong to both QCWA and the OOT's. 



Seriously though, this discussion thread addressing our membership challenges is one of the most interesting I've seen on the reflector.? My thanks to Dave (VE3JX) for leading us through one of the most important and common topics being discussed in most QCWA chapters today. I think the list that Dave is compiling is a great start.? But, in the end, it really is up to us to provide more organizational relevance to all of our members - both current and potential. 

Thanks all - keep those ideas coming. 

73 

E.W. "Skip" Swenson 
WB6VVA 

Alias: wb6vva at arrl.net 


Thanks all - keep those ideas coming. 

73 

E.W. "Skip" Swenson 
WB6VVA 

Alias: wb6vva at arrl.net 

From ewswenson50 at comcast.net  Thu Aug 19 22:20:53 2010
From: ewswenson50 at comcast.net (ewswenson50 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 02:20:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [QCWA] 50 Years - Again
In-Reply-To: <1299708659.248788.1282270817983.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <605274883.248849.1282270853289.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>



Sorry, my mistake.?? The Old Old Timers Club membership requirement is 40 years not 45 . 

E.W. "Skip" Swenson 
WB6VVA 

Alias: wb6vva at arrl.net 

From jangus at suddenlink.net  Thu Aug 19 22:21:38 2010
From: jangus at suddenlink.net (Jeffrey Angus)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 21:21:38 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 50 Years
In-Reply-To: <1545600792.247790.1282269510132.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <1545600792.247790.1282269510132.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C6DE6B2.7030309@suddenlink.net>

  On 8/19/2010 8:58 PM, ewswenson50 at comcast.net wrote:
> Actually Art, the Old Old Timers Club requires you to be licensed for 45 years.

 From their web site: http://www.ootc.us

"Any person is eligible for membership who is presently licensed under the
provisions of Part 97 of the Rules of the Federal Communications 
Commission or
licensed in the amateur service of their country of residence, and who 
provides
evidence of personal wireless communication at least 40 years prior to 
making
application."

Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi

Who, oddly enough now qualifies for that as well.


From k5fnq at lusfiber.net  Fri Aug 20 00:00:21 2010
From: k5fnq at lusfiber.net (K5FNQ)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 23:00:21 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] 50 Years - Again
In-Reply-To: <605274883.248849.1282270853289.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
References: <605274883.248849.1282270853289.JavaMail.root@sz0113a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4C6DFDD5.5030400@lusfiber.net>

can I get my 10 years back (don't we all wish for that!)
Art K5FNQ

On 8/19/2010 9:20 PM, ewswenson50 at comcast.net wrote:
>
> Sorry, my mistake.   The Old Old Timers Club membership requirement is 40 years not 45 .
>
> E.W. "Skip" Swenson
> WB6VVA
>
> Alias: wb6vva at arrl.net
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From ve3jx at sympatico.ca  Fri Aug 20 10:29:14 2010
From: ve3jx at sympatico.ca (Dave - VE3JX)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:29:14 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] WRO Sept issue
Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP8741C3358D405B3491D01839F0@phx.gbl>

Greetings all,

The September issue of World Radio online magazine is now posted free at: 
http://www.worldradiomagazine.com/.

This edition is full of interesting features and columns including:

* YLs Out in Force on Field Day 2010
* "Station Appearance" Returns! W4YFJ, Essex Junction, Vermont
* A Vanishing Breed: Tribute to 8DUA/W8DUA
* DX QSL Chasing - On the Cheap
* Krusty Ol' Kurt Explains the Stub Antenna
* Reflections on Dayton from a QCWA Perspective

In addition, you'll find regular columns including:
Propagation,Trail-Friendly Radio, Rules and Regulations, Looking West,
Hamfests and Special Events, Contest Calendar, DX Predictions and more.

I hope you enjoy the QCWA column.  Let me know what you think.

Cheers,

Dave Hayes VE3JX
QCWA Life Member
WRO QCWA Columnist



From wa9jmo at wi.net  Fri Aug 20 12:38:07 2010
From: wa9jmo at wi.net (Larry McCalvy)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:38:07 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] WRO Sept issue
References: <BLU0-SMTP8741C3358D405B3491D01839F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BC6AA3AC7E3C4DC58360057A0B26D9A5@McCalvyToy>

Hi Dave,

I just read your column in the September issue of World Radio Online.

Another outstanding article!

Thanks and 73,

Larry McCalvy
WA9JMO

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave - VE3JX" <ve3jx at sympatico.ca>
To: "QCWA Reflector" <QCWA at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 9:29 AM
Subject: [QCWA] WRO Sept issue


> Greetings all,
>
> The September issue of World Radio online magazine is now posted free at:
> http://www.worldradiomagazine.com/.
>
> This edition is full of interesting features and columns including:
>
> * YLs Out in Force on Field Day 2010
> * "Station Appearance" Returns! W4YFJ, Essex Junction, Vermont
> * A Vanishing Breed: Tribute to 8DUA/W8DUA
> * DX QSL Chasing - On the Cheap
> * Krusty Ol' Kurt Explains the Stub Antenna
> * Reflections on Dayton from a QCWA Perspective
>
> In addition, you'll find regular columns including:
> Propagation,Trail-Friendly Radio, Rules and Regulations, Looking West,
> Hamfests and Special Events, Contest Calendar, DX Predictions and more.
>
> I hope you enjoy the QCWA column.  Let me know what you think.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Dave Hayes VE3JX
> QCWA Life Member
> WRO QCWA Columnist
>
>
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From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 10:17:04 2010
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:17:04 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Chapter 119 at Virginia Beach Hamfest
Message-ID: <4C7525E0.7000601@verizon.net>


From W8EK at flham.net  Wed Aug 25 10:24:28 2010
From: W8EK at flham.net (Ken Simpson, W8EK)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:24:28 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA at upcoming KY and TN Hamfests
Message-ID: <4C75279C.3040003@flham.net>


I would like to take this opportunity to alert you to some
hamfests and forums that QCWA will have in the Kentucky and
Tennessee area.

The first hamfest will be the Central Kentucky Hamfest in
Richmond, KY on September 18.  In addition to the display
table, we will also have a forum at 10 AM.
For information on this hamfest, please see
http://www.qsl.net/ckars/hamfest
or contact Mike at
ke4isw at arrl.net

The next weekend, on September 24-25, we will be at the TenTec
Hamfest in Sevierville, TN.  We will have a display table, but
this hamfest does not have forums.  For details on this hamfest,
please go to
http://www.tentec.com/?s=hamfest

If it would be possible, I would like to attend some chapter
meetings in the KY/TN area during the week between these two
hamfests.  I have not found any that fit on the QCWA web site,
but sometimes there are meetings not listed on the web site.
If you know of any, please contact me.  Actually, I would like
to know of any ham type activities, including "regular" radio
club meetings.  Of course I would be happy to do programs at
any of these, as I already have five power point presentations
on the laptop, ready to go.

About a month later, we will take another trip from Florida,
back to Tennessee.

We will have a display table and also a forum at the "Gray Hamfest"
that is currently held in Johnson City, TN on October 16.  Details
are at
http://grayhamfesttn.com
or you can contact
k4cwa at arrl.net

The next weekend we will be at the Chattanooga TN hamfest on
October 23.
Their web site is
http://w4am.org
or you can contact Jim at
w4dfs at arrl.net

Again, if anyone knows of any chapter meetings or other ham
activities in the week between these hamfests, please let me know.

I hope to see many of you at some of these activities.  Don't
forget to come by the booth, sign in, and attend the forums.
Please pass this information along to your chapter members.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
QCWA National Director
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
Voice Phone  (352) 732-8400















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From wd8e at arrl.net  Wed Aug 25 10:29:30 2010
From: wd8e at arrl.net (Fritz)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:29:30 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA at upcoming KY and TN Hamfests
In-Reply-To: <4C75279C.3040003@flham.net>
References: <4C75279C.3040003@flham.net>
Message-ID: <000501cb4461$ee322010$ca966030$@net>

Ken,
	Not sure what QCWA would do without you as the traveling ambassador.
Great job!
Fritz WD8E
Ch 212


-----Original Message-----
From: Ken Simpson, W8EK [mailto:W8EK at flham.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:24 AM
To: QCWA List
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA at upcoming KY and TN Hamfests


I would like to take this opportunity to alert you to some
hamfests and forums that QCWA will have in the Kentucky and
Tennessee area.

The first hamfest will be the Central Kentucky Hamfest in
Richmond, KY on September 18.  In addition to the display
table, we will also have a forum at 10 AM.
For information on this hamfest, please see
http://www.qsl.net/ckars/hamfest
or contact Mike at
ke4isw at arrl.net

The next weekend, on September 24-25, we will be at the TenTec
Hamfest in Sevierville, TN.  We will have a display table, but
this hamfest does not have forums.  For details on this hamfest,
please go to
http://www.tentec.com/?s=hamfest

If it would be possible, I would like to attend some chapter
meetings in the KY/TN area during the week between these two
hamfests.  I have not found any that fit on the QCWA web site,
but sometimes there are meetings not listed on the web site.
If you know of any, please contact me.  Actually, I would like
to know of any ham type activities, including "regular" radio
club meetings.  Of course I would be happy to do programs at
any of these, as I already have five power point presentations
on the laptop, ready to go.

About a month later, we will take another trip from Florida,
back to Tennessee.

We will have a display table and also a forum at the "Gray Hamfest"
that is currently held in Johnson City, TN on October 16.  Details
are at
http://grayhamfesttn.com
or you can contact
k4cwa at arrl.net

The next weekend we will be at the Chattanooga TN hamfest on
October 23.
Their web site is
http://w4am.org
or you can contact Jim at
w4dfs at arrl.net

Again, if anyone knows of any chapter meetings or other ham
activities in the week between these hamfests, please let me know.

I hope to see many of you at some of these activities.  Don't
forget to come by the booth, sign in, and attend the forums.
Please pass this information along to your chapter members.

Thanks.

73,

Ken, W8EK

Ken Simpson
QCWA National Director
E-mail to W8EK at FLHam.net or W8EK at arrl.net
Voice Phone  (352) 732-8400















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From vic.w4vic at verizon.net  Wed Aug 25 10:30:59 2010
From: vic.w4vic at verizon.net (Vic Culver)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:30:59 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Chapter 119 at Virginia Beach Hamfest
Message-ID: <4C752923.60305@verizon.net>

Sorry about that -- caught in the old 'plain text only' trap!  Let's try 
again:

QCWA Chapter 119 will welcome members and friends from the region at the 
Virginia Beach Hamfest, scheduled for September 11, 2010.  This will be 
a full feature hamfest: some commercial vendors, private 'tailgate' and 
tables, and MARS, DX, QCWA, ARRL forums, and an special Elmers forum.  
Chapter 119 Longevity Awards for 2010 will be presented at the QCWA Forum. 

One of the highlights of the occasion will be a DX Dinner with 
well-known and respected DXer, Bob Alphin, K4UEE, as the dinner program 
speaker.  For more information about the hamfest, and for reserved 
tickets, visit the web site www.vbhamfest.com. 

Look for the QCWA Chapter 119 welcome table when you arrive.  Have a 
great hamfest visit to our area.  73,  Vic, W4VIC

From broske at hutchtel.net  Thu Aug 26 11:49:04 2010
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 10:49:04 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Chapter 165's  Student Book Loan Program
Message-ID: <B6D4D7BE2E184203A828636435030DC0@BobsWeb>

Re: Student book loan programHi Everybody,

It's my pleasure to present the following program that originated with QCWA Chapter 165 in York County PA.  Thanks to Ray Schaub, W3AXC for forwarding it to HQ.

If your chapter doesn't have the dollars it takes to run a program like this, please present it to another radio club in your area.
                                                     the Chapter 165 STUDENT BOOK LOAN PROGRAM
   
  At the June meeting we decided to develop a program whereby the Chapter would provide ARRL license manuals to young people that were enrolled in a class working toward a ham license . We received requests for 4 books during August. It became apparent that we needed  some sort of guidelines as to who would be eligible for these books. At the August meeting we set out these guidelines. I want to have some feedback from the membership regarding this preliminary set of rules. Do you have any additions or corrections ?  If not let me know if you agree.

  1. The books will be ARRL license manuals.
  2. The student must be enrolled in a class or must be under the tutelage of an Elmer that is a member of a club.
  3. The books will be on loan until the student becomes licensed then they will become property of the student.
  4. The student will make bi-monthly reports to the chapter via email as to their progress.
  5. In the event the test is failed after six months or the test is not taken the books will returned to the chapter or purchased by the student.
  http://www.qcwa.org/chapter165.htm 

  73,
  Bob Roske, N0UF
  President, QCWA

From n2rq at optonline.net  Thu Aug 26 14:12:17 2010
From: n2rq at optonline.net (L M)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 14:12:17 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Chapter 165's  Student Book Loan Program
References: <B6D4D7BE2E184203A828636435030DC0@BobsWeb>
Message-ID: <001701cb454a$3fc59180$6401a8c0@D81MNR41>

Thanks Bob and Ray,

As a retired teacher who still works with school clubs I am very impressed 
with the structure and intention of this program.

At my school club, we sometimes bought license manuals and loaned them to 
the kids.  We did not think of the accountability structure in the Chapter 
165 plan.  I am certainly going to try to adopt it for this school year.

Thank you for circulating this plan.

73, Lew
n2rq at arrl.net
Trustee: w2cxn at arrl.net
Trustee: W2CLE

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bob Roske" <broske at hutchtel.net>

Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program


> Re: Student book loan programHi Everybody,
>
> It's my pleasure to present the following program that originated with 
> QCWA Chapter 165 in York County PA.  Thanks to Ray Schaub, W3AXC for 
> forwarding it to HQ.
>
> If your chapter doesn't have the dollars it takes to run a program like 
> this, please present it to another radio club in your area.
>                                                     the Chapter 165 
> STUDENT BOOK LOAN PROGRAM
>
>  At the June meeting we decided to develop a program whereby the Chapter 
> would provide ARRL license manuals to young people that were enrolled in a 
> class working toward a ham license . We received requests for 4 books 
> during August. It became apparent that we needed  some sort of guidelines 
> as to who would be eligible for these books. At the August meeting we set 
> out these guidelines. I want to have some feedback from the membership 
> regarding this preliminary set of rules. Do you have any additions or 
> corrections ?  If not let me know if you agree.
>
>  1. The books will be ARRL license manuals.
>  2. The student must be enrolled in a class or must be under the tutelage 
> of an Elmer that is a member of a club.
>  3. The books will be on loan until the student becomes licensed then they 
> will become property of the student.
>  4. The student will make bi-monthly reports to the chapter via email as 
> to their progress.
>  5. In the event the test is failed after six months or the test is not 
> taken the books will returned to the chapter or purchased by the student.
>  http://www.qcwa.org/chapter165.htm
>
>  73,
>  Bob Roske, N0UF
>  President, QCWA
> 


From broske at hutchtel.net  Sat Aug 28 12:17:10 2010
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 11:17:10 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan
	Program
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Marsha" <marsha-fleming at att.net>
To: "'Bob Roske'" <broske at hutchtel.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:38 AM
Subject: RE: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program


> This sounds like a great idea. However I have worked with young and old and
> one thing you need to do is provide a way of giving back. I suggest that you
> put a provision in that volunteer for at least one ARES public service event
> within the first year of getting their license.  The easiest way they can do
> that is for them to join the local ARES group. 
> 
> 73,
> Marsha
> 
> Marsha Fleming N8FE
> Zero Beat Editor/PIO
> QCWA member   
> n8fe at arrl.net    www.hparc.org
> Live life to the fullest while maintaining ones integrity 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Roske [mailto:broske at hutchtel.net] 
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
> To: QCWA - Reflector; QCWA - Hotlist
> Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program
> 
> Re: Student book loan programHi Everybody,
> 
> It's my pleasure to present the following program that originated with QCWA
> Chapter 165 in York County PA.  Thanks to Ray Schaub, W3AXC for forwarding
> it to HQ.
> 
> If your chapter doesn't have the dollars it takes to run a program like
> this, please present it to another radio club in your area.
>                                                     the Chapter 165 STUDENT
> BOOK LOAN PROGRAM
>   
>  At the June meeting we decided to develop a program whereby the Chapter
> would provide ARRL license manuals to young people that were enrolled in a
> class working toward a ham license . We received requests for 4 books during
> August. It became apparent that we needed  some sort of guidelines as to who
> would be eligible for these books. At the August meeting we set out these
> guidelines. I want to have some feedback from the membership regarding this
> preliminary set of rules. Do you have any additions or corrections ?  If not
> let me know if you agree.
> 
>  1. The books will be ARRL license manuals.
>  2. The student must be enrolled in a class or must be under the tutelage
> of an Elmer that is a member of a club.
>  3. The books will be on loan until the student becomes licensed then they
> will become property of the student.
>  4. The student will make bi-monthly reports to the chapter via email as to
> their progress.
>  5. In the event the test is failed after six months or the test is not
> taken the books will returned to the chapter or purchased by the student.
>  http://www.qcwa.org/chapter165.htm 
> 
>  73,
>  Bob Roske, N0UF
>  President, QCWA
> ______________________________________________________________
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From broske at hutchtel.net  Sat Aug 28 18:15:51 2010
From: broske at hutchtel.net (Bob Roske)
Date: Sat, 28 Aug 2010 17:15:51 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] Fw: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan
	Program
Message-ID: <D11436E4CFFE4853A8189C7A01FF6C37@BobsWeb>

This isn't my project, I forwarded it as something for your chapter or another club to 
consider.

Chapter 165 has put together a list of requirements, you can modify them anyway you wish 
for your version.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Littlewood" <k4hf at arrl.net>
To: "'Bob Roske'" <broske at hutchtel.net>
Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 3:31 PM
Subject: RE: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program


> Bob,
>
> What is the suggested age cutoff for "young people?"
>
> Chuck, K4HF
> Chap 126
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Roske [mailto:broske at hutchtel.net]
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 12:17 PM
> To: QCWA - Reflector; QCWA - Hotlist
> Subject: Re: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Marsha" <marsha-fleming at att.net>
> To: "'Bob Roske'" <broske at hutchtel.net>
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:38 AM
> Subject: RE: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program
>
>
>> This sounds like a great idea. However I have worked with young and old
> and
>> one thing you need to do is provide a way of giving back. I suggest that
> you
>> put a provision in that volunteer for at least one ARES public service
> event
>> within the first year of getting their license.  The easiest way they can
> do
>> that is for them to join the local ARES group.
>>
>> 73,
>> Marsha
>>
>> Marsha Fleming N8FE
>> Zero Beat Editor/PIO
>> QCWA member
>> n8fe at arrl.net    www.hparc.org
>> Live life to the fullest while maintaining ones integrity
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bob Roske [mailto:broske at hutchtel.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2010 11:49 AM
>> To: QCWA - Reflector; QCWA - Hotlist
>> Subject: [QCWA Hotlist] QCWA Chapter 165's Student Book Loan Program
>>
>> Re: Student book loan programHi Everybody,
>>
>> It's my pleasure to present the following program that originated with
> QCWA
>> Chapter 165 in York County PA.  Thanks to Ray Schaub, W3AXC for forwarding
>> it to HQ.
>>
>> If your chapter doesn't have the dollars it takes to run a program like
>> this, please present it to another radio club in your area.
>>                                                     the Chapter 165
> STUDENT
>> BOOK LOAN PROGRAM
>>
>>  At the June meeting we decided to develop a program whereby the Chapter
>> would provide ARRL license manuals to young people that were enrolled in a
>> class working toward a ham license . We received requests for 4 books
> during
>> August. It became apparent that we needed  some sort of guidelines as to
> who
>> would be eligible for these books. At the August meeting we set out these
>> guidelines. I want to have some feedback from the membership regarding
> this
>> preliminary set of rules. Do you have any additions or corrections ?  If
> not
>> let me know if you agree.
>>
>>  1. The books will be ARRL license manuals.
>>  2. The student must be enrolled in a class or must be under the tutelage
>> of an Elmer that is a member of a club.
>>  3. The books will be on loan until the student becomes licensed then they
>> will become property of the student.
>>  4. The student will make bi-monthly reports to the chapter via email as
> to
>> their progress.
>>  5. In the event the test is failed after six months or the test is not
>> taken the books will returned to the chapter or purchased by the student.
>>  http://www.qcwa.org/chapter165.htm
>>
>>  73,
>>  Bob Roske, N0UF
>>  President, QCWA
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> QCWAHotlist mailing list
>> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/qcwahotlist
>> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm
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From groach at storm.ca  Sun Aug 29 15:08:52 2010
From: groach at storm.ca (George/Frances)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 15:08:52 -0400
Subject: [QCWA] QCWA  Fall QSO Party--54th year-September 18-19
Message-ID: <eedd60a17c6468230d38957a2588a4db.squirrel@home.storm.ca>


Three weeks from now our 54th year of QSO Parties will be History.
I hope you all take the time to make a few contacts and send
in a log to our teller Bob Buus at w2od at aol.

Several members have applied for Operating awards over the
last few years(worked 50 states-worked 100 members, etc)and
their chief source of QCWA contacts are the QSO Parties.
Those of you who send in copies of your logs really assist us
in x-checking those applications.

All the information, log-forms, summary sheets and rules are
at www.qcwa.org/qso-party.htm

At the request of some of our members who no longer have access
to HF radio facilities we have opened up the contest to users of
QsoNet. This is an internet simulation of HF radio activity
which lets radio amateurs all over the world contact other users
using cw, phone and digital modes. If any of your friends are
using this mode encourage them to look for their QCWA friends
during the QSO Party. All the rules of the QSO Parties apply
except a seperate log must be submitted for the QsoNet contacts.
Read the latest QCWA Party rules for the additions pertaining to
operating in the Party using the CQ100 transceivers.Take a look
in the Journal or at the QCWA website for the result of the last
QSO Parties

If you are interested in this system look up QsoNet on Google.
There is no cost for the first 3 months, so you could try it out
and enter the QSO party at the same time. I have been a
a subscriber for two years. It has certainly added to my 60 some
years of communicating with the world. And the 20 meter beacon
at 14.040 (virtual) is great for code practice.

Cheers

George Roach   VE3BNO
QCWA Operating Activities Manager






From wa9vrh at dishmail.net  Tue Aug 31 16:21:22 2010
From: wa9vrh at dishmail.net (Larry WA9VRH)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 15:21:22 -0500
Subject: [QCWA] First Wed. CCA AM NIGHT SEE NEW TIMES!!
Message-ID: <005101cb494a$77dd9910$6a01a8c0@KWM380>

FIRST WEDNESDAY AM NIGHT!!! Sponsored by the Collins Collectors Association.

PLEASE NOTE THE TIME CHANGES!!  We are starting an hour later in The EAST 
and CENTRAL sections!

I am told Mountain Time will be the same.

Wednesday September 1st 2010 on 3880 kcs at 8:00 PM local East Coast time 
marks the start of the latest
chapter of First Wednesday AM Night, drawing hundreds of vintage stations 
from across the country.


The East Coast and Central sections run for 90 minutes in response to the 
tremendous participation in those time zones. The remaining time zones
will be an hour. We encourage stations to check-in on AM using Collins and 
other AM transmitters, new and
old.  It's an opportunity to revel in this nostalgic mode, enjoy giving 
vintage equipment a "run," and sharing
some storytelling about classic vacuum tube homebrew and commercial designs. 
Typically more than a
hundred stations take part in the evening's coast-to-coast AM event; by the 
time it concludes at 10:00 PM
Local PST.

LISTEN for the following anchors and stop by to say hello, won't you? You 
don't have to be running Collins
or vintage gear to be welcomed into the group.

8:00 PM-9:30 PM Local East Coast Time Anchor:  Bob W0YVA

8:30 PM-10:00 PM Local Central Time Anchor:  Jim W0NKL and Brian K0EFJ

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local Mountain Time Anchor: K0OJ Jim and Chuck KD0ZS

8:00 PM-9:00 PM Local West Coast Time Anchor:  WA6FIZ Mickey

comments please to wa9vrh at dishmail.net


