[Qcwa] Re: QCWA digest, Vol 1 #251 - 7 msgs
[email protected]
[email protected]
Fri, 10 Jan 2003 9:15:29 -0500
Dear OM:
I ran into a similar situation a few years old and immediately reported it to my OO. After an initial investigation, he reported to me it was completely legal. It was a commercial station, he said, which can lawfully share the 30 meter band with amateur radio. There is also a RTTY station not too far away from him transmitting at a perfect rate of 45 baud.
Respectfully,
Alvah Buckmore, Jr., K1TMA
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Date: 2003/01/10 Fri AM 04:01:33 EST
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Subject: QCWA digest, Vol 1 #251 - 7 msgs
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5. downloadable files on the QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91 web site (Dick Rucker)
6. Re: (no subject) (Glenn Little)
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Message: 1
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 09:42:54 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Qcwa] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Dear Friends:
I happened to be up very early the morning of January 9 taking care of a sick
XYL. When I couldn't get back to sleep, I decided to pass the time by
scanning various bands. To my utter surprise I began to hear almost perfect
CW at about 12-13 WPM on 10.126, so I tried the old "see if you can copy this
in your head" trick. It seemed to make no sense, so I got out pencil and
began to copy by hand.
To my utter surprise there was almost perfect code in random five letter
groups. This went on from about 3:20 AM (CST) to 3:30 AM. Then off about four
minutes. Then on again for about ten minutes. Then off. Then back for a
shorter time. There was no ID nor call letters given. Occasionally there was
a series of several "AR" or "BT" or a string of "v." All in very strong
signals, very rigid character, extremely easy to copy, but at the same time
puzzling.
Does anyone know who is doing this? Surely no ham would just blatently do
this with no ID? Or would they? Or have I stumbled onto some non-ham services
which also use these frequencies? Was this some clandestine communique in
some strange code? Does anyone on this forum know?
73 Raymond W5VPU
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 09:55:42 -0500
From: John Laney <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Qcwa] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Hi Ray:
I don't know the answer to your question, but there is still a lot of
commercial use of this band, particularly in the upper half.
73,
John, K4BAI.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 10:04:01 -0500
From: Dick Rucker <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>,
QCWA Reflector <[email protected]>
Cc: members & friends of QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91 <[email protected]>
Subject: [Qcwa] Vic Clark, W4KFC
Reply-To: [email protected]
on 1/8/03 13:28, CyberGeezer at [email protected] wrote:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dick Rucker" <[email protected]>
> To: "members & friends of QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91"
> <[email protected]>; "QCWA Reflector"
> <[email protected]>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 11:44 AM
> Subject: [Qcwa] QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91 website updated
>
> Where might I find a biography of Vic Clark?
>
> Why do I ask? The ham bug bit me (hard) in July of 1951
> when I read an article about in _Boys Life_ (the Boy Scout
> magazine). The article prominently chronicled the ham
> activities up to that point of Vic Clark. I don't know
> much about what became of him after that, except that he
> won all the contests and became president of the League
> during a period when I was out of radio.
> 73 de W2GERry
The best I have seen appeared in the January 1984 issue of QST. It was
written by David Sumner, K1ZZ, and appeared in his "It Seems to Us..."
column. In it there's a picture of 19-year old Vic who had won the Hiram
Percy Maxim Memorial Award for 1936, the first year it was issued.
Vic was a member of Chapter 91, so we have members who knew him well and
admired him for his CW and other skills, leadership, and achievements.
ARRL's legal counsel, Chris Imlay, N3AKD, has told our chapter fun stories
about working and traveling with Vic in the early 1980s as a young attorney.
Vic died of a heart attack the day after Thanksgiving, 1983, while still
president of the ARRL. Chapter 91 then successfully petitioned QCWA to
change its name from the "Northern Virginia Chapter" to the "Vic Clark
Chapter" in memoriam.
A Google search on "W4KFC" turns up a bunch of hits. Here's an excerpt from
one:
"CQ Announces CQ Amateur Radio Hall of Fame Class of 2002
NEWINGTON, CT, May 31, 2002-- CQ Amateur Radio magazine has announced
another 44 inductees to its CQ Amateur Radio Hall of Fame. The Amateur
Radio Hall of Fame was established in January 2001 to recognize those
individuals--amateurs and non-amateurs--who "significantly affected the
course of Amateur Radio" as well as radio amateurs whose professional
activities "had a significant impact on their professions or on world
affairs... Two past ARRL presidents made the list: Harry Dannals, W2HD
(1972-1982), and the late Vic Clark, W4KFC (1982-1983),"
If anyone knows of an in-depth biography (or autobiography) on Vic, W2GERry
and I would like to know about it.
73, Dick Rucker, KM4ML
Vic Clark Chapter 91 Secretary
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:26:41 -0500
From: Tom Repstad <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Qcwa] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email protected]
I was a radioman in the USCG, 5 letter code groups were used for sending
encrypted messages. I doubt they use that technology any more. But,
many code practice programs create random 5 letter groups as a method of
copying code, probably that, but surprised you heard no ID.
--Tom
K1VG
[email protected] wrote:
>Dear Friends:
>
>I happened to be up very early the morning of January 9 taking care of a sick
>XYL. When I couldn't get back to sleep, I decided to pass the time by
>scanning various bands. To my utter surprise I began to hear almost perfect
>CW at about 12-13 WPM on 10.126, so I tried the old "see if you can copy this
>in your head" trick. It seemed to make no sense, so I got out pencil and
>began to copy by hand.
>
>To my utter surprise there was almost perfect code in random five letter
>groups. This went on from about 3:20 AM (CST) to 3:30 AM. Then off about four
>minutes. Then on again for about ten minutes. Then off. Then back for a
>shorter time. There was no ID nor call letters given. Occasionally there was
>a series of several "AR" or "BT" or a string of "v." All in very strong
>signals, very rigid character, extremely easy to copy, but at the same time
>puzzling.
>
>Does anyone know who is doing this? Surely no ham would just blatently do
>this with no ID? Or would they? Or have I stumbled onto some non-ham services
>which also use these frequencies? Was this some clandestine communique in
>some strange code? Does anyone on this forum know?
>
>73 Raymond W5VPU
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 11:52:02 -0500
From: Dick Rucker <[email protected]>
To: members & friends of QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91 <[email protected]>,
QCWA Reflector <[email protected]>
Subject: [Qcwa] downloadable files on the QCWA Vic Clark Chapter 91 web site
Reply-To: [email protected]
Updates to the Downloadable Files Folder at
http://homepage.mac.com/rrucker/chapter91.html
The following has been posted on the site for a few weeks now:
"To obtain one of these files, click on Folder of Downloadable Files., open
the desired folder, and click in the download column for the desired file.
"Nov 21, 02: The file "Riley's List" has been added to the "operating aids"
folder. This list of good amateur practices was presented by Riley
Hollingsworth, K4ZDH, at a meeting of the Foundation for Amateur Radio (FAR)
on October 9, 2002.
"Nov 14, 02: The file "W3BE checklist" has been added to the "operating
aids" folder. This is list of things one should be mindful of as a station
licensee, as the control operator of a station, and as a contributing member
of the amateur radio service. It was first published in the Fall 2001 issue
of the QCWA Journal in the column written by John Johnston, W3BE: "Q&A: The
Rules Say..."
I learned yesterday that "Riley's List" doesn't appear in the downloadable
folder. This is to let you know that I have uploaded it (if I didn't
before), and that it is now downloadable. Sorry if anyone was
inconvenienced, and thanks to John Johnston, W3BE, for pointing the problem
out.
73, Dick Rucker, KM4ML
Chapter 91 Secretary
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2003 12:32:36 -0500
To: [email protected]
From: Glenn Little <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [Qcwa] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email protected]
This frequency was reported to be used by V2, Cuban Intelligence in voice
with five letter code groups. They were being transmitted by a female
speaking Spanish about 0345 UTC, 19 July, 2002.
There are many intercepts reported using five letter code groups in both cw
and foreign languages.
When I was much younger I intercepted a transmission of five letter code
groups and recorded it. When my Spanish instructor heard it she said that
it was an American with very bad Spanish pronunciation. When I submitted
the tape to the FBI, I got a response back that it was friendly to the
interests of the US.
Today, with the Internet, many of these intercepts are made and reported to
a reflector daily. There are pictures available of the some of the
transmitting sites. The conjecture is that these are messages from
different agencies, such as our CIA, to their field operatives and that
they are using one time code pads. This makes decoding the message all most
impossible for anyone but the intended person.
If interested the reflector is
<http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/spooks> .
Also there are reflectors that post intercepts of military communications
and utility communications.
73
Glenn
WB4UIV
At 11:26 AM 1/9/03 -0500, Tom Repstad wrote:
>I was a radioman in the USCG, 5 letter code groups were used for sending
>encrypted messages. I doubt they use that technology any more. But, many
>code practice programs create random 5 letter groups as a method of
>copying code, probably that, but surprised you heard no ID.
>
>--Tom
>K1VG
>
>[email protected] wrote:
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>>Dear Friends:
>>
>>I happened to be up very early the morning of January 9 taking care of a
>>sick XYL. When I couldn't get back to sleep, I decided to pass the time
>>by scanning various bands. To my utter surprise I began to hear almost
>>perfect CW at about 12-13 WPM on 10.126, so I tried the old "see if you
>>can copy this in your head" trick. It seemed to make no sense, so I got
>>out pencil and began to copy by hand.
>>To my utter surprise there was almost perfect code in random five letter
>>groups. This went on from about 3:20 AM (CST) to 3:30 AM. Then off about
>>four minutes. Then on again for about ten minutes. Then off. Then back
>>for a shorter time. There was no ID nor call letters given. Occasionally
>>there was a series of several "AR" or "BT" or a string of "v." All in
>>very strong signals, very rigid character, extremely easy to copy, but at
>>the same time puzzling.
>>Does anyone know who is doing this? Surely no ham would just blatently do
>>this with no ID? Or would they? Or have I stumbled onto some non-ham
>>services which also use these frequencies? Was this some clandestine
>>communique in some strange code? Does anyone on this forum know?
>>73 Raymond W5VPU
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Amateur Callsign: WB4UIV [email protected] AMSAT LM 2178
QTH: Goose Creek, SC USA (EM92xx) EC Berkeley County ARRL TAPR
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Message: 7
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 14:44:41 EST
To: [email protected]
Subject: [Qcwa] (no subject)
Reply-To: [email protected]
Glenn and all the rest:
Thanks for answering my curiosities. I knew that this was the correct place
to ask this question. You all have a wealth of backgrounds!
73 Raymond W5VPU
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