[PVRCNC] [PVRC] A few of the 15 ARRL directors just can’t seem to own the truth- it’s Brazen-why?

Fri Aug 30 20:53:19 EDT 2019

Hyper-sensationilzed? Over the top?

See these links which we are exposed to regularly:

https://www.winlink.org/content/what_was_arrl_thinking

https://www.winlink.org/FCC_Action

ARRL reports on 200 acre brush fire in Mexico, but traffic was all nominal and non-emergency:
http://www.arrl.org/news/mexican-amateur-radio-volunteers-providing-communication-in-wildfire-response
along with:
https://winlink.org/content/mexican_amateurs_support_winlink_emergency_communications

Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos

> On Aug 30, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Neal Campbell <nealk3nc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Ted, you are making this hyper-sensationized. It’s over the top. You have made your point many times and you are only turning people off with your approach.
> 
> Plaese stop.
> 
>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 19:17 Jack Cochran via PVRC <pvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>> I do use winlink since it's beginning and I'm not going to discuss the false or correct information be presented over and over on this reflector. If you want to discuss winlink I'm willing to do so off reflector. Or direct
>> 
>> wc4j at wc4j.com
>> 703-965-6011
>> Jack
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 7:09 PM Ted <tsrwvcomm at aol.com> wrote:
>>> Jack, Ray:
>>> 
>>> Full disclosure -you both use Winlink? Yes? You do emailing or qso‘ on wiink? Tell us?
>>> 
>>> I won’t comment again, but if ARRL issues a press release on Winlink, can’t I or anyone els Offer some facts or a critical  view!?
>>> 
>>> Neither of our pvrc arrl board members ever commented -been when asked twice by w3ll
>>> 
>>> Odd? 73 ted
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from smartphone, please excuse typos
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 6:45 PM, Gmail <anyone1545 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes Jack,  enough.
>>>> Ray
>>>> W8LYJ
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 30, 2019, at 18:43, Jack Cochran via PVRC <pvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm writing pvrc board members we are a contest club this is our reflector for contests. We've beaten this dead horse enough can we agree to stop ranting on about winlink. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sincerely submitted 
>>>>> Jack WC4J
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Fri, Aug 30, 2019, 6:39 PM Ted via PVRC <pvrc at mailman.qth.net> wrote:
>>>>>> See this- 
>>>>>> http://www.arrl.org/news/arrl-hf-band-planning-committee-reactivated-to-address-spectrum-issues
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Winlink advocate and ARRL President Rick Roderick is  bringing back the same ill-fated approach used to create havoc and perpetuate illegal emailing over ham radio. First in RM-11306 and then RM-11708 and 16-239. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The ARRL board of 15 still won’t look at the encryption issue,  or the improper use of ham radio as a common-carrier email system for the public. Read the ARRL’s own words in the press release!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> A tiny minority of email users (Winlink/ ARSFI) are very very vocal, and want to keep using HF ham radio for free, private global email.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Two things are vital to know.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 1  It is the combination of whole message compression with ARQ that is unique to Winlink and makes it impossible to intercept messages over the air, for meaning, for rank and file hams. No one has disproved this. It’s a fact. Yet, a couple of  fanatics chewing up QRZ.com claim to now (in the last month) be able to decode Pactor over the air, but that’s not true- it is only with much guess work, having ideal channel conditions with known station ID’s ahead of time, and then much manual manipulation of data files, often with a priori knowledge of the message  — none which can be applied in real time and in typical use. There is still no over-the-air decode of Winlink data- and Hams should ask the ARRL directors why they won’t  address this effective encryption problem!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 2. Unlike any other data mode or system in ham radio, Winlink provides the global universe of email message users (citizens and businesses around the world) instant access to Ham radio spectrum, and there is no transparency or review/oversight of those emails that are received from global email accounts and sent over ham radio by Winlink to a Winlink user. This is key. Unlike ham-to-ham QSO’s, Winlink facilitates email traffic and instant access to ham radio spectrum by the global public, with no a priori knowledge or personal inspection of the transmitted messages. Even Winlink RMS stations have no idea of what email from the general public is being “pulled into ham radio spectrum over their own radio” to a Winlink email account user until AFTER the fact, and other hams will only ONLY know what was sent IF the few Winlink sys ops can be trusted for transparency to report such messages . Instead of trusting a tiny and vocal/angry band of email purveyors who have  shown a lack of transparency for decades, a completely open over- the-air decode  must be made available on every message sent on ham radio, including Winlink. Why won’t ARRL take a stand on this!? I suggest that if the public is to be allowed to send email over ham radio (as Winlink allows today ), then the  Winlink back-end , with all queued messages from around the world, must be openly viewable by the public and approved personally by any and every ham radio Winlink  RMS station operator BEFORE any traffic from the public is sent over the ham radio airwaves. Without this transparency and oversight by hm radio control operators (RMS stations), ham radio spectrum is being used for private email between Winlink amateur operators and the general public, in violation of many parts of 97.113.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Many Winlinkers simply don’t use Pactor or other Winlink data modes to make QSO’s or experiment with their station like other hams do. They send personal and business email! Some do emcomm, which is laudable, but that traffic must be open and transparent. No privacy in ham radio. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ARRL needs to address this head on. They said they won’t! 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Please, write your ARRL directors, and elect new directors who will take this on. Reread the press release above, and consider the facts here. Spread the word - far and wide- for the future of our hobby and use of HF spectrum. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 73,
>>>>>> Ted n9nb
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