[Premium-Rx] Of general interest- "Virtual Spectrum"

Thu Oct 16 03:38:48 EDT 2003

Hi All,

I believe that Jan and Raymond have both made very good points.

The FCC has, in the last 15 years or so, become primarily a litigation 
society. Where physics, reality, and in my opinion, the public good are 
concerned, the FCC encourages litigation, as opposed to accomodation.

Michael Powell seems to think that he should be a developer and 
huckster, not a regulator
nor conservator.

Perhaps AB5S would prefer to operate CQWW on Nintendo or Xbox, instead 
of dealing with the troublesome atmosphere and QRN. One hopes he can 
differentiate between Polymer Patti and the Scent of a Woman.

Radio over the Wired Net while BPL wipes out Radio. Someone please 
explain quasi-symmetrical ironies to AB5S. Perhaps he will only link his 
BC-611s over BPL hauls?

73,
Steve
KL7JT

jan at skirrow.org wrote:

> I'm not sure Dave's idea will do much regards BPL etc. First, it is 
> really an extension (albeit a major one) of stuff that already exists 
> - like the Echolink software that works much like a ham band, and only 
> licensed hams can use it. What I understand of Dave's proposal is to 
> make the interface more like a radio, and capable of handling any mode 
> you want to use.
>
> Second, I don't think the idea - even if perfectly implemented - will 
> not supplant or even be a reasonable alternative to on air radio. 
> Mostly because the links will be perfect (or nearly so unless you 
> program in interference etc.) and thus more like a telephone than an 
> HF radio. Where's the fun in that?
>
> 73s, Jan
>
>
> At 11:14 AM 10/15/03, Raymond Makul wrote:
>
>> Gary is 100% correct.  As someone with almost 30 years
>> experience in administrative law before state and
>> federal agencies, I can tell you that identifying and
>> setting forth a "solution" to a problem vastly
>> increases the chances that we will have to live with
>> the problem.  BPL advocates will say we have a
>> work-around for the small number of adversely affected
>> persons.  The FCC can then state that they can approve
>> BPL technology for the benefit of the general public
>> because the small number of individuals adversely
>> affected have a practical work-around.
>>
>> Ray Makul
>> --- Gary Geissinger <ggeissinger at digitalglobe.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Greg,
>> > 
>> > This is a cool idea; HOWEVER, I worry about giving
>> > the FCC an impression
>> > that we can live with BPL.
>> > 
>> > We don't want BPL in any event.
>> > 
>> > If we are forced to live BPL, then this would be a
>> > clever way around the
>> > problem.
>> > 
>> > I hope that QST publishes this long after the BPL
>> > issue is resolved.
>> > 
>> > 73's,
>> > 
>> > Gary WA0SPM
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Greg W. Bailey [mailto:gbailey at mail.sdsu.edu]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 11:33 AM
>> > To: premium-rx at ml.skirrow.org
>> > Subject: [Premium-Rx] Of general interest- "Virtual
>> > Spectrum"
>> >
>> >
>> > Fellow Members:
>> > 
>> > Jan recently bounced this article to me.  I thought
>> > it may be of interest to
>> > some of our membership- 
>> > 
>> > Greg
>> > San Diego
>> > 
>> > __________________________
>> > 
>> > From: David Stinson < arc5 at ix.netcom.com
>> > <mailto:arc5 at ix.netcom.com> >
>> >
>> > 
>> > I have today submitted an article to QST magazine
>> > entitled "Virtual
>> > Spectrum: Beating BPL at its own game," detailing a
>> > concept that can greatly
>> > impact our radio hobby.  I wanted to "put down a
>> > marker" to date the
>> > introduction of a new ham-radio innovation, and to
>> > officially place the idea
>> > in the public domain, so the maximum amount of
>> > "tinkering" with it can
>> > happen.
>> >
>> > This concept uses the bandwidth available on the
>> > Internet and some simple
>> > circuitry to create a replica of a segment of the
>> > radio spectrum, stream it
>> > live or prerecorded to another internet-connected
>> > computer and reconstruct
>> > that radio spectrum at your location.  *Any* radio
>> > equipment you wish to use
>> > (given an Internet connection with sufficient
>> > bandwidth)- from modern PSK-31
>> > rigs, SSB nets, WW-II modulated oscillators all the
>> > way back to ancient
>> > spark transmitters with crystal receivers; all can
>> > legally communicate just
>> > as though you were on-the-air.  The system is
>> > bi-directional, allowing QSOs
>> > between stations that normally could not
>> > communicate.
>> > 
>> > If you can't hear weak signals because of noise in
>> > your area, the concept
>> > allows you to build a "remote front end" and
>> > transport the radio spectrum in
>> > a quiet area right to your rig, bypassing the
>> > problems in your location. 
>> > 
>> > I believe this concept can be the answer to BPL,
>> > "noise holes," antenna
>> > restrictions, HF "jammers" and many other obstacles
>> > to using our radios.
>> > There is great potential for many uses, and a
>> > possible niche market for
>> > someone with the resources to develop the equipment.
>> >  I have already built
>> > prototype equipment to prove the concept and it
>> > works splendidly.  The
>> > article includes construction details.  The circuits
>> > are simple and you can
>> > get 95% of the parts at Radio Shack.  By the time
>> > QST publishes (assume they
>> > accept the work), we should have completed the first
>> > Virtual Spectrum QSO:
>> > two World War 2 BC-611 handie-talkies (output: about
>> > 60 milliwatts) will
>> > communicate over a path of about 2000 miles.
>> > 
>> > If QST does not publish the concept, I will publish
>> > it myself on the web
>> > immediately after hearing from them.  I am indebted
>> > to Mike Hanz,
>> > aafradio at cox.net <mailto:aafradio at cox.net>  for
>> > invaluable suggestions and
>> > encouragement.
>> > 
>> > TNX ES 73 DE Dave Stinson AB5S
>> >
>> >
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