[PPRAANet] PPRAANet Digest, Vol 286, Issue 4

GEORGE W SHAIFFER gshaiffer at msn.com
Fri Sep 15 12:23:25 EDT 2023 

This may be the article Hunter was writing about,  there are others on line.

chain link ground screen vs radials appears to be good search term for this

http://www.sherweng.com/documents/GroundScreen-sm.pdf

George KE0QCC
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I once stumbled across an article online by Rob Sherwood wherein he
went into great detail about ground screens made of chainlink fencing
buried just below the surface.  Been meaning to try it for years.
Good read if you can find it.

Hunter Ellington, K0GFY
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Digital TV (Dennis N0ABC)
   2. Re: Digital TV (Terry Kift)
   3. Ham Radio Tech: Ground Screens?the ?Magic Carpet?? (Derek Brown)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:24:35 -0600
From: Dennis N0ABC
To: tim powell , "CraYzJake ."
Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Digital TV
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed

I was getting annoyed before that I couldn't find the antennas at any
of
the usual electronics parts places online, so I'm guessing that
cable/streaming/satellite/etc. has really removed the market for OTA
antennas. And what is offered is trying to make up the loss of volume
sales with overly inflated prices. So, your reply encouraged me to
take
another look. I found seven more places to look at, and only the
seventh
(which I thought least likely) had a couple of good contenders. It was

Micro Center, and specifically the Denver store since that is what
comes
up in my browser.

The first is my recommendation. It is very similar to the one I am
using, a yagi. It says they have 10 in stock in Denver, and IS(!) that

$20 I originally mentioned.

The other is a "bow-tie" / corner reflector style which might be
almost
as good as the straight yagi, but is $65 (3 in Denver).

So, FWIW, here are the links:

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microcenter.com%2Fproduct%2F656924%2Finland-an-6002-long-range-outdoor-high-power-hdtv-antenna-with-mounting-pole-long-range-and-dual-tv-outputs&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=56q7Is%2BdyCHkqVfgBtFEeADFzTyXUyYAMNwmiSOEf%2BE%3D&reserved=0<https://www.microcenter.com/product/656924/inland-an-6002-long-range-outdoor-high-power-hdtv-antenna-with-mounting-pole-long-range-and-dual-tv-outputs>

https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microcenter.com%2Fproduct%2F656983%2Faudiovox-electronics-rca-attic-outdoor-compact-design-hdtv-antenna&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A%2FksWgFGkhI3R80NinZJzjCSEJ%2FkCJfFPTsRjNWl9%2BA%3D&reserved=0<https://www.microcenter.com/product/656983/audiovox-electronics-rca-attic-outdoor-compact-design-hdtv-antenna>
Hope that helps!

Dennis
N0ABC
On 9/13/2023 2:22 PM, tim powell wrote:
> Thank you all so much for all the suggestions!  I will follow up
after i digest it all.
>
> Tim
> WB6GTV
>
>
>> On Sep 12, 2023, at 6:34 PM, CraYzJake .  wrote:
>>
>>
?https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB004QK7HI8%2Fref%3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title%3Fie%3DUTF8%26th%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nxIKzvL%2Bllr03mvzo7bojRak06PPwr2l5AhB7eo9vQc%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> This is mounted on my wall behind the TV and works well enough.
There are a few channels that don't come in good when it rains but I
am also on the north side of town. You will get more channels with the
one Dennis posted and it will be more reliable in bad weather. I also
have and LG smart TV and get several hundred IPTV channels.
>> ________________________________
>> From: ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net  on behalf of Dennis N0ABC
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:27 PM
>> To: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Digital TV
>>
>> Wow. Prices for antennas have really gone crazy since I got mine.
Forget
>> that $20 remark.
>>
>> This one, from MTC RAdio, is only $40 but includes built-in rotator
and
>> preamp:
>>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtcradio.com%2Fhd-dtv-uhf-vhf-fm-360-rotating-outdoor-antenna-hdtv%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BM50NuE%2BkpEbB8E%2FQWxXs7tq3SYvHp6oN5dOR%2FvocVM%3D&reserved=0<https://www.mtcradio.com/hd-dtv-uhf-vhf-fm-360-rotating-outdoor-antenna-hdtv/>
>>
>> I'm sure you can still find more reasonably priced basic but
>> high-performing antennas.
>>
>>
>> Dennis
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2023 17:45:29 -0600
From: Terry Kift
To: Dennis N0ABC
Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Digital TV
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I bought one a few years ago at Best Buy

Terry

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2023, at 5:25 PM, Dennis N0ABC  wrote:
>
> ?I was getting annoyed before that I couldn't find the antennas at
any of the usual electronics parts places online, so I'm guessing that
cable/streaming/satellite/etc. has really removed the market for OTA
antennas. And what is offered is trying to make up the loss of volume
sales with overly inflated prices. So, your reply encouraged me to
take another look. I found seven more places to look at, and only the
seventh (which I thought least likely) had a couple of good
contenders. It was Micro Center, and specifically the Denver store
since that is what comes up in my browser.
>
> The first is my recommendation. It is very similar to the one I am
using, a yagi. It says they have 10 in stock in Denver, and IS(!) that
$20 I originally mentioned.
>
> The other is a "bow-tie" / corner reflector style which might be
almost as good as the straight yagi, but is $65 (3 in Denver).
>
> So, FWIW, here are the links:
>
>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microcenter.com%2Fproduct%2F656924%2Finland-an-6002-long-range-outdoor-high-power-hdtv-antenna-with-mounting-pole-long-range-and-dual-tv-outputs&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=56q7Is%2BdyCHkqVfgBtFEeADFzTyXUyYAMNwmiSOEf%2BE%3D&reserved=0<https://www.microcenter.com/product/656924/inland-an-6002-long-range-outdoor-high-power-hdtv-antenna-with-mounting-pole-long-range-and-dual-tv-outputs>
>
>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.microcenter.com%2Fproduct%2F656983%2Faudiovox-electronics-rca-attic-outdoor-compact-design-hdtv-antenna&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=A%2FksWgFGkhI3R80NinZJzjCSEJ%2FkCJfFPTsRjNWl9%2BA%3D&reserved=0<https://www.microcenter.com/product/656983/audiovox-electronics-rca-attic-outdoor-compact-design-hdtv-antenna>
>
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> Dennis
> N0ABC
>
>
>
>
>> On 9/13/2023 2:22 PM, tim powell wrote:
>> Thank you all so much for all the suggestions!  I will follow up
after i digest it all.
>>
>> Tim
>> WB6GTV
>>
>>
>>>> On Sep 12, 2023, at 6:34 PM, CraYzJake .  wrote:
>>>
>>>
?https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB004QK7HI8%2Fref%3Dppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title%3Fie%3DUTF8%26th%3D1&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=nxIKzvL%2Bllr03mvzo7bojRak06PPwr2l5AhB7eo9vQc%3D&reserved=0
>>>
>>> This is mounted on my wall behind the TV and works well enough.
There are a few channels that don't come in good when it rains but I
am also on the north side of town. You will get more channels with the
one Dennis posted and it will be more reliable in bad weather. I also
have and LG smart TV and get several hundred IPTV channels.
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net  on behalf of Dennis N0ABC
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2023 6:27 PM
>>> To: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
>>> Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Digital TV
>>>
>>> Wow. Prices for antennas have really gone crazy since I got mine.
Forget
>>> that $20 remark.
>>>
>>> This one, from MTC RAdio, is only $40 but includes built-in
rotator and
>>> preamp:
>>>
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.mtcradio.com%2Fhd-dtv-uhf-vhf-fm-360-rotating-outdoor-antenna-hdtv%2F&data=05%7C01%7C%7C718d559f9a924b52cf9608dbb6046e3f%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638303902367700325%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2BM50NuE%2BkpEbB8E%2FQWxXs7tq3SYvHp6oN5dOR%2FvocVM%3D&reserved=0<https://www.mtcradio.com/hd-dtv-uhf-vhf-fm-360-rotating-outdoor-antenna-hdtv/>
>>>
>>> I'm sure you can still find more reasonably priced basic but
>>> high-performing antennas.
>>>
>>>
>>> Dennis
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 15 Sep 2023 14:53:04 +0000
From: Derek Brown
To: "PPRAANet at mailman.qth.net"
Subject: [PPRAANet] Ham Radio Tech: Ground Screens?the ?Magic Carpet??
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Good article / easily digestible. I've recently come across folks
doing this just below the surface on permanent installs as well. On a
normal POTA I'm going to still use my deployable wire radial field. If
I were camping somewhere for a week or back yard experimenting I'd
like to try this.

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