[PPRAANet] PPRAANet Digest, Vol 213, Issue 12

W. Harris nbcblue at hotmail.com
Sat Jan 15 18:14:46 EST 2022 

I was on 40 meters yesterday afternoon and came across a station on SSB that was so strong I knew he had to be within a few blocks of me. He was in Morrison, CO just on the south edge Denver. He was running power to a dipole. He gave me a signal report of 10 over 9, I was running 100 watts to a 40 meter delta loop about 15 feet high. Unusual for signals at that distance to be so strong. I would be interested in participating in the NVIS test.

Bill - K5MIL
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Local communications on 40m (Phillip Burns)
   2. Re: Local communications on 40m (W0XLD)
   3. 40 Meter Comm test (Jim KD0KQL)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:21:33 -0700
From: "Phillip Burns" <pburns001 at gmail.com>
To: <ppraanet at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
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To all who wish to participate in the NVIS testing, please send me an email with a detailed description of your antenna setup and how much power you will be using.  Also, if your station location is different than on QRZ please provide that as well.



I will create a mailing list for the participants and send out emails for coordination.  In your email to me, please let me know if you are OK with a Webex meeting to coordinate the live testing.  Also, please let me know if you can hit the Marc repeaters, 447.475 in the Springs.



I will email a list of items to keep track of during live testing to all participants; please respond if you think I missed any relevant information to be recorded during testing.



After the live test I will compile the testing results and provide them to the test participants and anyone else interested.





Thanks, Phil

KF0FOE





From: Jim KD0KQL <notapope at hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:35 PM
To: Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com>; Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com>
Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
Subject: RE: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m



  OK, you got me going finally.   I'll set up my 40M NVIS  later today.

  I'm good on QRZ for location.



73

Jim

KD0KQL







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-------- Original message --------

From: Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com <mailto:pburns001 at gmail.com> >

Date: 1/13/22 8:37 AM (GMT-07:00)

To: Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com <mailto:N0ABC at msn.com> >

Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet at mailman.qth.net>

Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m



Hi Dennis, I'm confident we'll perform testing multiple times. In any case, once I get my NVIS antenna deployed I intend to leave it up so I'll be willing and able to test when anyone wants to.  The problem for those of us here in the Springs is, we're close enough that ground wave or direct wave is possible and consequently, makes it difficult to interpret out results.  To really test our NVIS capabilities we need a station to test with, for which ground wave or direct wave is very unlikely.

I would also like to test ground and direct wave communications.

Phil
KF0FOE


> On Jan 13, 2022, at 2:17 AM, Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com <mailto:N0ABC at msn.com> > wrote:
>
> I would also be interested in participating, but I couldn't do it until next week sometime.
>
> Dennis
> N0ABC
>
> On 1/12/2022 2:23 PM, joncashatt wrote:
>> Depending on day and time, I?d be interested. My schedule is fairly flexible and if multiple days and times are possible, I?d like to test not only from my QTH but also from the Office of Emergency Management on Mark Dabling using the Special Communications Unit?s delta and quad loops on the rooftop.
>>
>> Jon, KJ?CFW
>>
>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com <mailto:pburns001 at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>
>>> ?LD will do.  I'll propose some days and times (approximate) and frequencies and get it out.  Now that I'm retired, my schedule is a lot more open.
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net>  <ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > On Behalf Of W0XLD
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 2:05 PM
>>> To: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet at mailman.qth.net> ; Lee Davis <leed383rr at comcast.net <mailto:leed383rr at comcast.net> >; John Evans <john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com <mailto:john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com> >
>>> Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
>>>
>>> Phil / KF0FOE has made an attempt to schedule some NVIS tests recently, but my schedule has been packed and I haven't been able to join in as I'd like. I nominate Phil to pick a new date/time, and an HF frequency, and we'll see if we can get a few folks on the air to experiment. Phil, if you pick a time that the 147.345 repeater is not occupied, maybe we can coordinate on that repeater, so one person can transmit at a time, and listeners can report results?
>>>
>>> I've got a busy week and weekend ahead of me, but I still remain very interested. Even if I can't help with the NVIS experiments myself, I'd like to listen on the 147.345 repeater if you choose to coordinate that way, or hear your results after the fact.
>>>
>>> What do you think, Phil? When would you like to invite us NVIS-curious folks for some local fun with HF?
>>>
>>> LD / W0XLD
>>>
>>>> On January 12, 2022 11:24:59 AM MST, Lee Davis <leed383rr at comcast.net <mailto:leed383rr at comcast.net> > wrote:
>>>> Could we do this as a group?  Would be a great experience for me as well.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Lee
>>>> KF0BOB
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:13 AM, John Evans <john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com <mailto:john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>> ?Greetings all,
>>>>>
>>>>>  I'm looking for any local hams here in the Colorado Springs area that have had success with local SSB communications on 40m. If you have a low antenna that supports local communications (NVIS as it were) and would be willing to test out 40m SSB, I'd appreciate chatting about and trying to chat on the air.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks es 73 - john - n0hj
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 15:41:10 -0700
From: W0XLD <W0XLD at W0XLD.com>
To: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net, Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
Message-ID: <14FEC2C4-AFBF-4DF4-ACF6-FEAA98E6AF96 at W0XLD.com>
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We still don't have a suggested date and time, to determine if we're available when everyone else is.

How about if we start with an initial test on 40m on Sunday, Jan. 16, at 1200 local time? Are you available to try a first test at that time?

73,
LD / W0XLD

On January 13, 2022 3:21:33 PM MST, Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com> wrote:
>To all who wish to participate in the NVIS testing, please send me an email with a detailed description of your antenna setup and how much power you will be using.  Also, if your station location is different than on QRZ please provide that as well.
>
>
>
>I will create a mailing list for the participants and send out emails for coordination.  In your email to me, please let me know if you are OK with a Webex meeting to coordinate the live testing.  Also, please let me know if you can hit the Marc repeaters, 447.475 in the Springs.
>
>
>
>I will email a list of items to keep track of during live testing to all participants; please respond if you think I missed any relevant information to be recorded during testing.
>
>
>
>After the live test I will compile the testing results and provide them to the test participants and anyone else interested.
>
>
>
>
>
>Thanks, Phil
>
>KF0FOE
>
>
>
>
>
>From: Jim KD0KQL <notapope at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2022 1:35 PM
>To: Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com>; Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com>
>Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
>Subject: RE: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
>
>
>
>  OK, you got me going finally.   I'll set up my 40M NVIS  later today.
>
>  I'm good on QRZ for location.
>
>
>
>73
>
>Jim
>
>KD0KQL
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S7 edge, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-------- Original message --------
>
>From: Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com <mailto:pburns001 at gmail.com> >
>
>Date: 1/13/22 8:37 AM (GMT-07:00)
>
>To: Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com <mailto:N0ABC at msn.com> >
>
>Cc: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet at mailman.qth.net>
>
>Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
>
>
>
>Hi Dennis, I'm confident we'll perform testing multiple times. In any case, once I get my NVIS antenna deployed I intend to leave it up so I'll be willing and able to test when anyone wants to.  The problem for those of us here in the Springs is, we're close enough that ground wave or direct wave is possible and consequently, makes it difficult to interpret out results.  To really test our NVIS capabilities we need a station to test with, for which ground wave or direct wave is very unlikely.
>
>I would also like to test ground and direct wave communications.
>
>Phil
>KF0FOE
>
>
>> On Jan 13, 2022, at 2:17 AM, Dennis N0ABC <N0ABC at msn.com <mailto:N0ABC at msn.com> > wrote:
>>
>> I would also be interested in participating, but I couldn't do it until next week sometime.
>>
>> Dennis
>> N0ABC
>>
>> On 1/12/2022 2:23 PM, joncashatt wrote:
>>> Depending on day and time, I?d be interested. My schedule is fairly flexible and if multiple days and times are possible, I?d like to test not only from my QTH but also from the Office of Emergency Management on Mark Dabling using the Special Communications Unit?s delta and quad loops on the rooftop.
>>>
>>> Jon, KJ?CFW
>>>
>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 2:17 PM, Phillip Burns <pburns001 at gmail.com <mailto:pburns001 at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ?LD will do.  I'll propose some days and times (approximate) and frequencies and get it out.  Now that I'm retired, my schedule is a lot more open.
>>>>
>>>> Phil
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net>  <ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet-bounces at mailman.qth.net> > On Behalf Of W0XLD
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 12, 2022 2:05 PM
>>>> To: ppraanet at mailman.qth.net <mailto:ppraanet at mailman.qth.net> ; Lee Davis <leed383rr at comcast.net <mailto:leed383rr at comcast.net> >; John Evans <john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com <mailto:john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com> >
>>>> Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Local communications on 40m
>>>>
>>>> Phil / KF0FOE has made an attempt to schedule some NVIS tests recently, but my schedule has been packed and I haven't been able to join in as I'd like. I nominate Phil to pick a new date/time, and an HF frequency, and we'll see if we can get a few folks on the air to experiment. Phil, if you pick a time that the 147.345 repeater is not occupied, maybe we can coordinate on that repeater, so one person can transmit at a time, and listeners can report results?
>>>>
>>>> I've got a busy week and weekend ahead of me, but I still remain very interested. Even if I can't help with the NVIS experiments myself, I'd like to listen on the 147.345 repeater if you choose to coordinate that way, or hear your results after the fact.
>>>>
>>>> What do you think, Phil? When would you like to invite us NVIS-curious folks for some local fun with HF?
>>>>
>>>> LD / W0XLD
>>>>
>>>>> On January 12, 2022 11:24:59 AM MST, Lee Davis <leed383rr at comcast.net <mailto:leed383rr at comcast.net> > wrote:
>>>>> Could we do this as a group?  Would be a great experience for me as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> KF0BOB
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 12, 2022, at 9:13 AM, John Evans <john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com <mailto:john.evans.n0hj at gmail.com> > wrote:
>>>>>> ?Greetings all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I'm looking for any local hams here in the Colorado Springs area that have had success with local SSB communications on 40m. If you have a low antenna that supports local communications (NVIS as it were) and would be willing to test out 40m SSB, I'd appreciate chatting about and trying to chat on the air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks es 73 - john - n0hj
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>> Pikes Peak Radio Amateur Association VE Team Leader
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Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2022 23:16:35 +0000
From: Jim KD0KQL <notapope at hotmail.com>
To: Reflector PPRAA <ppraanet at mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [PPRAANet] 40 Meter Comm test
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All,

  Thanks to all the peer pressure, I have put up my UGLY 40 Meter NVIS antenna.  It's 2 legs are cut for 1/4 wave, it has a 1:1 BALUN and is mounted at 15 ft in the center and 2 ft at the leg ends.  Pointed 30 deg and 210 deg.  As soon as I first tried it there was a station in Grand Junction.  Very unusual.  By the time I was ready to use it, he was gone but I did make an FT-8 contact in Greenwood WI shortly after.  Seems to work well.  Still mostly East Coast stations showing up, but the "doughnut hole" appears to be a little active as well.  This should be fun and informative.
  See you on the 2 Meter net at 8:00 tonight if I don't forget.

73
Jim
KD0KQL


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