[PPRAANet] Waldo Canyon Fire info

Dick-W0RAA dickt at w0raa.com
Wed Jul 3 12:06:38 EDT 2013 

I agree with what you say, Mike, 100%.  It got out of hand and I apologize to the club, Mick and others that may have been drawn into the foray.  

Hope everybody has a safe and sane 4th.  

73,  

Dick - w0raa
My memory isn't as good as it used to be.
Also, my memory isn't as good as it used to be. 

On Jul 3, 2013, at 9:18 AM, MICHAEL DERBORT <kc0elg at msn.com> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As President of the PPRAA organization I need to say something about this particular thread. Although parts of this discussion have been informative and good points being made; parts of it have unfortunately gotten personal and political.  While civil discussion is encouraged the use of name calling or character attacks is forbidden
> regardless of topic.  This has nothing to do with Amateur Radio or the Pikes Peak Radio Amateur Association or its activities. If you want a general discussion forum for topics such as this there are many forums you can join on Yahoo or other social media sites. Another option is to create a forum on our forums website.  The reflector needs to remain dedicated to Amateur Radio discussions only or directly related to the PPRAA and its activities. Consider this a warning, if members continue to use this reflector for non official use then your access will be suspended.   As always let me know if you have any problems or questions.   Thanks.
>  
> 73,
> 
> Michael Derbort
> President
> Pikes Peak Radio Amateur Association
>  
> > Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 10:34:47 -0600
> > From: mickspa at comcast.net
> > To: dickt at w0raa.com; ppraanet at mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [PPRAANet] Waldo Canyon Fire info
> > 
> > OK Dick, you pompous, arrogant, AH; it's not even warm in this kitchen. 
> > I aspologise to this forum and well not continue!
> > 
> > On 7/2/2013 9:56 AM, Dick-W0RAA wrote:
> > > Like I said, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Do 
> > > you have a call? I never see you sign it.
> > >
> > > You are the one who siad "open to comments". well, I commented and 
> > > you didn't like it. TS! Next time, don't make such stupid comments 
> > > like "Screw mandatory evacuation" or "They evacuated all the people 
> > > and left the houses unprotected". Not exactly brilliant comments from 
> > > such a self proclaimed brilliant engineer who claims not to be stupid.
> > >
> > > As for being a verbal bully, you're very thin skinned, and I guess 
> > > that's your way of acting like the victim here, because you don't have 
> > > the balls to say that you didn't know WTF you were talking about.
> > >
> > > So, Mick, go sit in the corner and cry. I will not respond to any 
> > > more of your cry baby whining.
> > >
> > > Dick
> > > My memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > > Also, my memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > >
> > > On Jul 2, 2013, at 9:30 AM, Mick Sparling <mickspa at comcast.net 
> > > <mailto:mickspa at comcast.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > >> One the great things about getting old is how liberating it can 
> > >> be...real freedom of speech!
> > >>
> > >> Unfortunately, one of the techniques so often used today to get the 
> > >> upper hand and "win" an argument is to get personal. Well fine 
> > >> then....In this case Dick becomes a verbal bully to demean the 
> > >> character and intellect of his new found "opponent." The 
> > >> "originator," that's me, Mick, is now "stupid," has a bad "attitude" 
> > >> and can't seem to be able to do anything right to save his "own 
> > >> ass." Well Dick, this isn't a fight you can win that way. Actually 
> > >> this isn't a fight at all, at least not one of my making. So Dick, 
> > >> why don't you just stop being a bully and STFU (don't you just love 
> > >> those texting acronyms, never quite sure exactly what insult is being 
> > >> delivered?).
> > >>
> > >> I would not, for a moment, diminish the dedication, valor and heroics 
> > >> of fire fighters or any other first responders for that matter. To 
> > >> them I say thank you! You have my love and admiration, so again 
> > >> THANK YOU!!! But, despite efforts to make it so, this isn't about that!
> > >>
> > >> Internet "scanner radio" is about listening to only *one* "channel" 
> > >> at a time. "Colorado Springs Police and El Paso County Sheriff," 
> > >> "Colorado State Patrol - El Paso, Teller, and Pueblo Counties," "El 
> > >> Paso County Sheriff - North and South Dispatch" and a multitude of 
> > >> other communication entities across the state and our whole nation 
> > >> for that matter are also available, but in this case it was "Colorado 
> > >> Springs Fire and EMS." Let me make it clear, I didn't "illegally" 
> > >> hear anything, I actually and clearly heard it, in real time, with my 
> > >> own ears, so don't try to tell me what I did or didn't hear.
> > >>
> > >> I'll be the first to admit that, in my own case, allot more fire 
> > >> mitigation needs to be done and, despite my physical limitations, I'm 
> > >> outside, every day, doing what needs to get done. Its very slow, it 
> > >> hearts, but I'm doing it, so don't attack me there either. BTW, your 
> > >> welcome anytime to come by and help.
> > >>
> > >> Hay, I'm entitle to my opernion and free to express it. Like it or 
> > >> not, evacuation is problematic in that it sometimes leaves whole 
> > >> neighborhoods abandon and defenseless. I think that perhaps, if the 
> > >> resources had been available, the outcome might have been different, 
> > >> but we'll never know now will we?
> > >>
> > >> Anyway, I don't know about you, but I'm tired of all this bickering. 
> > >> I'm a retired engineer, not stupid by any means and I'm not 
> > >> vindictive. So, my thanks for the information and thanks again to the 
> > >> first responders everywhere. I just hope, in the future, we 
> > >> individuals can be more proactive in the fire fighting process then 
> > >> just evacuate. Like maybe dispensation foam...I'm just now exploring 
> > >> that. I'll let you all know what I find out.
> > >>
> > >> 73, Mick
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 7/1/2013 6:30 PM, Dick-W0RAA wrote:
> > >>> The puzzling part of this whole chain is that the originator is more concerned with saving his house and has the attitude of the hell with mandatory evacuation. It's like he could do anything to save his house, let alone his own ass.
> > >>>
> > >>> Those firefighters laid down their own lives to get people out. None of them expected the Waldo Canyon blaze to "literally explode" and go racing down the side of the mountain to consume 347 homes. Homes can be replaced, lives cannot. Sadly 2 people had to die in that fire as well as the two who died during the Black Forest fire. Those lives were more precious than somebody's home. The firefighters said they were totally helpless when the fire started to hit Mountain Shadows. I have a friend who is a firefighter and he said a lot of the guys were in tears because they were not able to save the homes, without the strong possibility of loss of firefighter lives. There isn't a piece of property on the face of the earth that is worth more than a single life.
> > >>>
> > >>> I never realized you had a possibility of losing a home to a wildfire, Mike. Glad you didn't lose your home.
> > >>>
> > >>> But as the old saying goes "You can't reason with stupid."
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Dick
> > >>> My memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > >>> Also, my memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > >>>
> > >>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 5:17 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett<w0mu at w0mu.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Excellent point. If you went over the tapes of each and every channel that was in use I would bet that you would find many calls for additional resources across the entire fire. Mobilizing resources does take some time. I bet many FF were woken up after many hours on the fire during the day to get back out and help.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Each and every asset, truck and man/woman is accounted for prior to being assigned. This does not happen instantly. The Incident commander also has to determine which areas need the most help and the best way to get that help in safely and effectively.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I have been on the receiving end of a wildfire that burned 3000 acres in a ranch where I lived and sold property. I did not lose my house thankfully. Those that did started making all sorts of wild accusations and comments that were baseless. After that Fire I joined the local department and had my eyes opened to how these events unfold and how these fires are fought. When our fire was going on I was very upset that they would not fight fire at night when the fire laid down, but once I had the opportunity to fight a similar fire it became quite clear why they did not. Safety of the people is the number one concern. Everyone goes home unhurt is our goal.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Mike W0MU On 7/1/2013 4:58 PM, Dick-W0RAA wrote:
> > >>>>> There were other areas that also needed help. I would say that if al you basing your information on is what you allegedly heard on a scanner, then you are probably not totally aware of what was happening in the entire incident area.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Like I said, it's your call. If you think that sticking around until the last minute is the way to go, then go for it. The firefighters did a great job and laid their lives on the line. I sure they had more to worry about than getting people to evacuate who are too stupid to take their advise.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Dick
> > >>>>> My memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > >>>>> Also, my memory isn't as good as it used to be.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Jul 1, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Mick Sparling<mickspa at comcast.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> After the evacuation, the resources left, leaving the homes undefended (no people in them)! See the problem???
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On 7/1/2013 2:54 PM, Dick-W0RAA wrote:
> > >>>>>>> The firefighters are professional. If they suggest mandatory evacuation you'd be smart to evacuate the area. But it's your life and your property. So, if you think you know all about it, then stay and take the risk. Hopefully you will survive, but if not, we can all say he was a nice guy.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Dick
> > >>>>>>> My memory isn't as good as it used to be.
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