From n5mnx at outlook.com  Thu Dec  6 15:28:20 2018
From: n5mnx at outlook.com (JJ Knight)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:28:20 +0000
Subject: [PBARC] Fwd: [ardop_users] A call to action to support the FCC
 proposal to replace the current 300 baud HF digital transmission limit with
 a 2.8KHz
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JJ Knight
N5MNX



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From: users at ardop.groups.io on behalf of Jack Chomley <vk4jrc at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 14:15
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Subject: Re: [ardop_users] A call to action to support the FCC proposal to replace the current 300 baud HF digital transmission limit with a 2.8KHz

Hi Rick,

I have forwarded your msg to our radio club group email.

73,

Jack VK4JRC

Club.    www.cqara.org.au<http://www.cqara.org.au>

http://www.cqara.org.au/?p=1248


On 7 Dec 2018, at 2:07 am, Rick Muething <rmuething at cfl.rr.com<mailto:rmuething at cfl.rr.com>> wrote:

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From n5mnx at outlook.com  Thu Dec  6 15:33:32 2018
From: n5mnx at outlook.com (JJ Knight)
Date: Thu, 6 Dec 2018 20:33:32 +0000
Subject: [PBARC] Fwd: [ardop_users] [winlink-programs-group] A call to
 action to support the FCC proposal to replace the current 300 baud HF
 digital transmission limit with a 2.8KHz
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JJ Knight
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From: users at ardop.groups.io on behalf of David Ranch <winlink2k at trinnet.net>
Sent: Thursday, December 6, 2018 12:32
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Subject: [ardop_users] [winlink-programs-group] A call to action to support the FCC proposal to replace the current 300 baud HF digital transmission limit with a 2.8KHz


I saw this email today on the Winlink list and thought I need to pass it on.  Specifically, two complaint PDFs filed from Theodore Rappaport N9NB has him mostly call out PACTOR but also ARDOP in the second PDF as being a proprietary and "hidden" technology.  He specifically complains that Winlink traffic is obscured from being properly monitor able per Part.97 rules.

   "Expanding the use of certain digital transmission modes, such as Winlink used with PACTOR, requires NSA-like skills for third parties to monitor for understanding and will have long term domino effects on the entire amateur radio ecosystem"


G8BPQ's version of ARDOP *is* a full document of that mode and the "obscure" complaint is probably Winlink's use of Huffman compression that has been in common use by packet BBSes since the 1990s.  It's very interesting to me that he's using these complaints to hold back the repeal of the current maximum symbols per second limit we have been suffering with on HF digital modes.  While I don't like the fact that patented technologies are on the airwaves, N9NB's arguements that these various forms of data traffic cannot be easily decoded is flatly incorrect.  Also don't forget, when first invented, single sideband (SSB) radio transmissions were also patented yet were on the airwaves.

I encourage people make their voice OFFICIALLY heard .

--David
KI6ZHD


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Subject:        [winlink-programs-group] A call to action to support the FCC proposal to replace the current 300 baud HF digital transmission limit with a 2.8KHz
Date:   Thu, 6 Dec 2018 07:23:14 -0800 (PST)
From:   Tom N5TW <tomw at ecpi.com><mailto:tomw at ecpi.com>
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Yesterday the ARSFI board filed with the FCC a comprehensive response to the online and media campaign that Theodore Rappaport has been leading to get the FCC to dismiss the pending Notice of Proposed Rule Making (Docket No. 16-239). The proposal would eliminate the current 300 baud limit on HF digital transmissions and replace it with a 2.8 kHz bandwidth limitation. We're in favor of this for many reasons, mostly because the advancement of the radio art is impeded without it, but for most Winlink stakeholders it will allow Pactor 4--finally--in the USA.


There has been a concerted emotional campaign led by Ted Rappaport that has stampeded many to make negative comments on this in an attempt to block this important step forward.

I encourage everyone to click on this link https://winlink.org/FCC_Action and to read what Rappaport sent the FCC and our response to his claims and to make your own informed decision about this important issue.

If you have a stake in this, we urge you to please immediately file a comment on the ECFS. It's easy: Click here.<https://winlink.org/content/ECFS> Time is of the essence. You don't have to write a masterpiece. An 'express' comment that endorses the ARSFI filing is all that's needed.

Also, spread the word. Send a link to https://winlink.org/FCC_Action  to all you know who care, especially those you know in leadership positions with emergency management or government agencies, the ARRL, and organizations and agencies that have a stake in Winlink. Let them know, and ask them to take a few moments to put their opinion on the record, or simply say you agree with us with a reference to our filing.

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From stmd76 at yahoo.com  Wed Dec 12 23:20:53 2018
From: stmd76 at yahoo.com (SHANE DRISKILL)
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 04:20:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [PBARC] Newsletter
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Hope everyone enjoys this special edition of the PBARC newsletter. Also hope to see everyone on Dec. 22 at 4:00 pm at JJ's N5MNX house in Jefferson for the PBARC Christmas party.We will send out directions a day or two before the party. Merry Christmas to you all.
73's KG5SRO

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From stmd76 at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 22 16:13:43 2018
From: stmd76 at yahoo.com (SHANE DRISKILL)
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Subject: [PBARC] Christmas Party Talk In
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If you follow GPS you will come up a little short of JJ's place. Talk in will be on 147.195 if you need it.
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