[PaQSO] The Contest 2011

William Buchholz wgbk8syh at yahoo.com
Mon Oct 10 21:55:06 EDT 2011 

I observed a couple examples of malicious interference and was pleased to see that those involved in the QSOs (including myself) did exactly the right thing. Continue working through the intereference without saying a word about it. That must really irritate the fools who think they can stop a well equipped contest station and ops with years of experience working under really tough conditions.

A great time, as always. Thanks and 73 to all.

Bill/K8SYH 

--- On Mon, 10/10/11, MARK KEMPISTY <mkempisty at verizon.net> wrote:

> From: MARK KEMPISTY <mkempisty at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [PaQSO] The Contest 2011
> To: "Ron Notarius W3WN" <wn3vaw at verizon.net>, "PaQSO at mailman.qth.net" <PaQSO at mailman.qth.net>
> Date: Monday, October 10, 2011, 9:18 PM
> Ron,
>  
> All true though I too wonder about point (2).   
> Take care,
> Mark
> AA3K
> 
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Ron Notarius W3WN <wn3vaw at verizon.net>
> To: PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 6:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [PaQSO] The Contest 2011
> 
> Regarding the nets and the "good ol' boyz" and ragchews and
> the rest...
> 
> Don't sweat the small stuff.
> 
> This is nothing new.  This has been going on for years; I
> ran into this when
> I was operating K3CR in the party in college, and that was
> before disco
> died.  It happens to our contest, other contests, and will
> continue to
> happen to contests in the future.
> 
> The realities of life are:
> 
> (1)  Nobody owns a frequency in the Amateur Radio
> service.  Not the nets,
> not the skeds, not W1AW, not DX windows or AM calling
> frequencies, not a
> station running DX for hours on end.  We all must share
> the resources.
> 
> (2)  FCC rules on this boil down to:  He who is there
> first controls the
> frequency until they give it up.  And the netmongers etc.
> know this.  They
> have to, they did pass their license tests, didn't they?
> 
> (2a)  Let us also not forget that people run different
> equipment, different
> power levels, different antennas... and most importantly,
> propagation can
> shift or change, and just because you can hear me doesn't
> mean I can hear
> you... or the other guy you're talking to.  There's a
> difference between
> deliberate and accidental interference; know it.  
> 
> (3)  FCC rules aside, life, let alone the contest, is too
> short to sit there
> and argue.  To say nothing of the time lost that you could
> use working
> stations.  Don't bother arguing with the turkeys.
> 
> (3a)  I have a nice picture of the local flock of wild
> turkeys crossing my
> street on Saturday night.  I may just make it this year's
> QSL card, with the
> caption "don't let the turkeys get you down"
> 
> (3b)  And if a case of accidental interference happens
> (see 2a above),
> sometimes it's best to just QSY, rather than waste time or
> energy arguing
> over who was "right."  This is RF, not the Natiional
> Debating Society
> finals.
> 
> (3c)  If you hear someone ask "is the frequency in use?"
> or send "QRL?" and
> you're using it... answer them.  If you don't, then don't
> complain when they
> start operating on top of you.  If we were psychics, we'd
> be on TV,
> advertising our services with Dionne Warwick and raking in
> the cash... we're
> not on TV...
> 
> (4)  It cuts both ways.  A few years ago, I was running
> on 3906 early one
> evening, long before the Century Club net was due to turn
> up.  But one of
> the self-appointed CC Kops started on me, making rude
> comments, ordering me
> off the frequency, jamming or interferring with people
> calling, and all the
> rest, and all without benefit of legal ID.  Finally,
> another op who knew me
> called and pleasantly reminded me the net would be starting
> "soon" (over an
> hour away).  And I told him, as I would have told the
> dingdong had he simply
> asked, that I was well aware of the time and had planned to
> shift to CW
> about a half-hour before the net would start... and don't
> forget that the
> net frequency was about 2 kHz below where I was anyway.  
> 
> Someone pulled something similar on me last year.  I was
> just on the edge of
> the DX calling window... to him, this was a frequency cast
> in stone as a
> no-contest zone.  I ignored him, worked the small group
> calling me, then
> called him and read him the riot act... and QSY'd on my
> terms, not his.
> 
> Sunday afternoon, I asked if the frequency was in use (I
> think I was on
> about 7187) twice, no one replied, I called CQ contest, and
> then some
> dingbat pops up and, very snotilly, informed me that I was
> intereferring
> with a "mobile motorcycles" net (huh?) 2 kHz down and to
> move "your contest"
> away.  I told him he was rude, he had failed to identify,
> and why didn't he
> say anything when I asked if the frequency was in use?  He
> told me he didn't
> have to, I "ought" to know.  Right.  And he never did
> ID.  So I just moved
> up 1 kc and went on my merry way... and I don't feel the
> least bit guilty
> about it.  
> 
> A little courtesy and common sense goes a long way. 
> Sadly, some prefer to
> be bullies and push others around... and violate a dozen or
> more FCC rules
> in the process.  Others prefer to kvetch and moan and play
> martyr (if I want
> a martyr, I'll just call up my mother), or make snide posts
> to the DX
> reflector -- and usually do that with someone else's call
> as well.  Ignore
> them, or see (3A) above.
> 
> 73, ron w3wn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: paqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:paqso-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> On Behalf Of w3prl ARS
> Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 7:50 AM
> To: PaQSO at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: [PaQSO] The Contest 2011
> 
> Hello All:
> 
> My response is to the comment from WA3EOP concerning the
> nets or ragchews 
> during the PA QSO..........as I was roaming the band on 80
> Saturday evening,
> I hit 3820 only to find some of the most vulgar language on
> the 
> airwaves.  Seems the party go-ers were interfering with
> their scheduled 
> ragchew and no one wanted or CARED to move the standard 3kc
> away while 
> the party was going on.  I heard one gent say this was
> their frequency 
> and that the offenders ought to get the hell away from
> their nightly 
> spot.  The battle went on for over a half hour or more. 
> It would seem 
> that the "rules" of courtesy would be thrown out the window
> because it's a
> once a year party for Pa, and really does anyone care about
> the rules during
> a contest of this magnitude????   In essence, the
> ragchewers might have been
> right, for 
> the offenders to get off "their" frequency, but I also know
> the rules 
> concerning nets is a courtesy to move someplace else, but
> the contesters we
> also right in their own way in that they were there 
> "first"........my point to all this is really about the
> language of 
> these little ragchewers and the contesters infringing on
> someone else's 
> space.....it was really hard to have my 14 year old
> grandson listen to 
> this CRAP........
> 
> I'm simply saying all bets are off on trying to hold any
> nets while 
> contests are going on.   It's not that we do anything "on
> purpose" while
> contesting.......everything is jammed up, moving a 100
> miles an hour, 
> just sad that the ragchewers couldn't realize there was a
> party goin on.
> 
> I absolutely HATE hearing that kind of language on the air,
> and the threats
> that went along with the disgusting attitudes.
> 
> But it's what happens when thousands of hams want to be
> heard all at the
> same time........
> 
> 
> 
> 73 All,
> W3PRL 
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