[OKDXA] NEW COUNTRY

Sat Oct 2 20:11:07 EDT 2021

This is the ethics issue that I have with Dom and his rebel group.  His
mantra is "Pay to play".  The DXCC program has been challenged by those
that charged for QSL's over the years.  I'll not mention the call but a
German station for years would not QSL his dxpeditions unless they paid for
the QSL.  His reward was to have his cards not count.  That hurt everyone
but it has always been clear this was unethical.  Some dxpeditions got
around it by holding back on bureau cards and LoTW for a year or so but
folks that didn't pay finally did get their confirmations.  In that case
you didn't have to pay to get a confirmation but you did have to pay to get
it timely.  It would be nice if the ham radio community would boycott their
dxpeditions but that is hard to do.  Most don't actually know what is
happening.  They just know that it is a new country.  I've thought about
bringing this before the DX Advisory Committee.  Not sure I want to go
there.  I wouldn't make any friends with those that worked them for a new
one and don't mind paying their $5.00.  A big thanks to Steve for looking
at solutions for those that don't do PayPal.

As WA6AUD, Hugh Cassidy, always said, "Work First Worry Later"...

Coy

Coy C Day, N5OK
20685 SW 29
Union City, OK 73090
H(405) 483-5632 C(405) 448-2368
n5ok at arrl.net

On Sat, Oct 2, 2021 at 10:37 AM <ne5sd.steve at gmail.com> wrote:

> I had a thought (or 2) on OQRS and getting a card from a DXpedition.  Many
> of the hams I know do not use PayPal and like you, this could prevent them
> from getting a card or could have them wait hopefully for an LoTW upload.
>
> My thoughts were to set up a PayPal using a pre-paid visa card.  That way
> you are not linking into any of your bank accounts and in my mind it would
> operate just like the W5 buro.  When the balance gets low, you put more
> money on the card.  I would just take care to use a prepaid card that
> doesn't automatically drain over time.  Some cards charge a monthly or
> yearly fee against the unused balance.
>
> 73
>
> -Steve.
> NE5SD
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net <okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net> On
> Behalf Of GARYLM at kiamichiwb.org
> Sent: Saturday, October 2, 2021 12:25 AM
> To: Oklahoma DX Association <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] NEW COUNTRY
>
> LOOKS LIKE I WANT BE GETTING A CARD FROM 3D2CR,  I DO NOT USE PAYPAL ETC.,
> SO WILL JUST HOPE FOR DIRECT INSTEAD, OR LOTW.  BUT I DO UNDERSTAND THEY
> NEED POSTAGE FOR CARDS,  I USE TO GO THROUGH 3,000 CARDS IN NO TIME,  I
> REQUESTED A SASE, BUT I ALSO ANSWERED BUREAU CARDS, SENDING SEVERAL POUNDS
> AT A TIME. IT USE TO BE A COURTURCY FOR MAKING THE CONTACT  I'M SURE YOU
> ALL
> KNOW WHAT I MEAN,  BUT IT IS GETTIG QUITE EXPENSIVE THESE DAYS WITH POSTAGE
> GOING UP SO MUCH.
> CONGRATULATIONS ON GETTING CONFIRMATIONS.
> GOOD LUCK AND GOD BLESS
> 73 GARY   WQ5R
>
>
> --- af5cc2 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> From: John Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com>
> To: Oklahoma DX Association <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] NEW COUNTRY
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 13:04:37 -0500
>
> That was the impression I got, that to get a LOTW upload you have to pay
> for
> a direct QSL.  Fast upload once I paid, though.  Not as fast as Heard
> Island, where I had it confirmed 30 minutes after making the QSO!
>
> 73 John AF5CC
>
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 12:59 PM Jeff Martin <jeffk5we at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >   Interesting John... Guess that confirms the Rebel QSL practice of No
> > Bureau, Pay for a direct card and they will throw in a lotw upload,
> > but no lotw upload without paying for the direct card... I guess if it
> > is your ball and bat you can set your own rules for the game. Don't
> > know that it helps the integrity of the game in the long run though...
> >
> > 73,
> > Jeff - K5WE
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net]
> > On Behalf Of af5cc2
> > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2021 12:42 PM
> > To: Oklahoma DX Association
> > Subject: Re: [OKDXA] NEW COUNTRY
> >
> > That would be a new band and mode country for me.  Need to keep an eye
> > out for him.  Chasing 9G5FI on 12m right now for a new band
> > country.3D2CR did upload my QSOs to LOTW last night.73 John AF5CC Sent
> > via the Samsung Galaxy A10e, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone
> > -------- Original message --------From: GARYLM at kiamichiwb.org Date:
> > 9/29/21  6:26 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Oklahoma DX Association <
> > okdxa at mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] NEW COUNTRY WORKED AND
> > CONFIRMED 4S6NCH ON 17M FT8.GARY--- af5cc2 at gmail.com wrote:From: John
> > Geiger <af5cc2 at gmail.com>To: Oklahoma DX Association <
> > okdxa at mailman.qth.net>Subject: Re: [OKDXA] NEW COUNTRYDate: Wed, 29
> > Sep
> > 2021 19:48:17 +0000Congrats!  What band and mode was that on?73 John
> > AF5CCOn Wed, Sep 29, 2021 at 7:14 PM <GARYLM at kiamichiwb.org> wrote:>
> > JUST RECEIVE CONFIRMATION FOR CONTACT WITH 4S6NCH FOR NEW COUNTRY.  NOW>
> HAVE
> > 312 CONFIRMED,  PLUS WHAT I HAVE IN HAND HERE.> 73> GARY   WQ5R>
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