[OKDXA] Remote operation- 2 CLASSES
Jerry Chouinard via OKDXA
okdxa at mailman.qth.net
Thu Nov 27 04:27:55 EST 2014
Oh yes - it's all coming back now!
Dang, does anybody have any dimes?
We gotta go back and get some.
What a cornball flick that was.
iPhone Generated
On Nov 26, 2014, at 11:20 PM, "Thomas Webb" <tmwebb at cox.net> wrote:
> Check that! It was a horse he slugged right after he tied up the steer he
> was riding.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: OKDXA [mailto:okdxa-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of M Schontz
> via OKDXA
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:21 PM
> To: k5yaa at yahoo.com; okdxa at mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Remote operation- 2 CLASSES
>
> What a memory Jerry.........That movie has to be at least 25 yrs old. All I
> remember is Alex Karras slugging the horse and saying something about
> Mongo.....The line was classic but I'll be darned if I can remember what it
> was........
>
> RIBBIT..................RIBBIT..........
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> M Schontz
> k8fu at aol.com
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Chouinard via OKDXA <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> To: Rick Vidmar <K9KK at atlinkwifi.com>
> Cc: Oklahoma DX Association <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Wed, Nov 26, 2014 6:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Remote operation- 2 CLASSES
>
>
> Indeed - the proceedings you forwarded here take me back to the movie
> Blazing Saddles - the scene where the Governor says "Can I get a Harruumph?"
> and all but apparently one guys says "Harruumph" - the Governor says "I
> didn't get a Harruumph from that fellow" after which Hedley Lamar says to
> the fellow "Give the Governor a Harruumph!" What a hoot that Governor was in
> his formal underwear missing his ink well with every effort to put his ink
> pen back in.
>
> Obviously quite formal proceedings the Governor was holding similar to these
> DXCC matters in your attached paragraphs, so yes, it would be good to know
> in what direction we should send our Harruumphs. Possibly some of the
> statements we are bandying back and forth on this reflector will be gathered
> by our regional people and passed along as fodder for the "Official"
> gathering and big doins on January 15, 2015.
>
> May the remote race to the top of the new Remote DXCC Honor Roll begin!
>
> Can I get a Harruumph on that?
>
> 73, Jerry K5YAA
>
> iPhone Generated
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> On Nov 25, 2014, at 8:42 PM, Rick Vidmar <K9KK at atlinkwifi.com> wrote:
>
>> Jerry
>> WELL, it seems this issue is now being addressed by the ARRL board of
>> directors.
>> It would be nice to know who we send input to.
>> AND, a survey would be appropriate,
>> to provide input for their Jan, 2015 meeting.
>> This is an excerpt from their July, 2014 meeting minutes.
>>
>> 35. On motion of Mr. Norris, seconded by Mr. Widin, the following was
> ADOPTED:
>> WHEREAS the DX Century Club (DXCC) is the premier ARRL award program,
>> and has amateur operator participants worldwide; and WHEREAS remote
>> controlled stations are becoming more popular and represent new
>> advancements in computer and radio technologies; and WHEREAS remote
>> controlled stations both commercial "for hire/rent" and private
> pose
>> both opportunities and challenges within the DXCC program; NOW BE IT
>> RESOLVED that the ARRL Board of Directors hereby tasks the Programs
>> and Services Committee to closely examine this issue and consider the
>> possible advantages, disadvantages and any potential ethical issues as
>> it relates
> strictly to the
>> DXCC program. The PSC should report its findings and any
>> recommendations back
> to
>> the ARRL Board no later than the January 2015 Annual Meeting of the
>> ARRL Board
> of
>> Directors.
>>
>> On 11/25/2014 2:41 PM, Jerry Chouinard via OKDXA wrote:
>>> Rick - now you're talking. More bookeeping but no intermingling of
>>> fair
> unfairexcept for remote ops who has small purses for airtime fees. Actually
> I thinkthe service cropping up that charges fees may not be a grand money
> maker.A lot of "Just for the Fun of it" - to borrow an OKDXA saying, remote
> operations are already on the air financed by station owners like myself
> with costs thatequal those of fairly simple accessory items.
>>> Starting up here I already had high speed iNet, my K3 radio and a
>>> Tokyo
> ampI've had around for a while. So I just bought the MicroBit black boxes -
> roughly $500. They were shipped in with a full set of cables to hook up the
> K3.
> After a few hoursof reading and trying various settings things came alive.
> Adding the rotator unitthe WebSwitch they call it, cost another couple
> hundred.
> I am rebuilding my SO2Rsetup here but plan on placing this entire remote
> setup over to the side whereit can be on line at all times except during
> contests where I will take full controlof antennas at my SO2R console.
>>> Another WebSwitch will be purchased for rotator #2 a Prosistel PST61
>>> I haveon
> tower #2. So for roughly a thousand dollars I will have quite a robust
> remoteset up for city dwelling solar powered living friends to enjoy. I even
> have theluxury of having a 15KW natural gas generator that fires up in the
> event ofelectrical failure. Life is good.
>>> I like the separation of operational types as you suggest but still
>>> would
> like to seemaybe a 500 mile rope length on remote station location to
> accomodate folkswho are primarily hampered by city and or restricted living
> quarters.
>>> 73 - Jerry K5YAA
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 24, 2014 8:54 PM, Rick Vidmar
>>> <K9KK at atlinkwifi.com>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why not 2-Classes.....??????
>>> 1. Remote
>>> 2. Home/Base, STATION.
>>> Remote then can have it's own and new definitions.
>>> Home/Base stays as it is and,
>>> unchanged to maintain the continuity of the existing Awards.....
>>> REMOTE, would have a new set of definitions,
>>> and it's own/new Award system.
>>> There is NO need to have both classes compete with each other.
>>> Then everyone should be happy.
>>> Or so it would/might seem ????
>>> Rick/K9KK
>>>
>>>
>>> ,
>>> On 11/24/2014 8:06 PM, Roger Simpson wrote:
>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<<<< FROM ROGER K5RKS
>>>> I think my view is the same as many of you that have commented. I
>>>> think remote operation should definitely be allowed. It is legal and
>>>> it is answering the need of people who live in CC&R restricted
>>>> locations or apartments, etc. However, I do think that we need some
>>>> type of distance limit between the remote transmitter/receiver
>>>> location and the location of the operator.
>>>>
>>>> One reason this is needed is to insure fairness across different DX
>>>> entities.
>>>>
>>>> Consider a guy who lives in a condo in St. Louis. Without some
>>>> distance restrictions he could run a remote station on Marin
>>>> Headlands [Pt. Reyes CA] or on Cape Cod depending upon where the DX
>>>> is located and what is going on with propagation depending upon the
>>>> time of day and on the band of interest. He could work VU4 from
>>>> both Coasts in a single 24 hr period!!
>>>>
>>>> Now consider a guy who lives in Manchester England. Without a
>>>> distance limitation he could only run remote within the "narrow
>>>> confines" of England because Scotland and Wales [and even the
>>>> Channel Islands] are separate DXCC entities.
>>>>
>>>> We should allow remote operation but we should not give guys who
>>>> live in giant entities that span a whole continent (and many time
>>>> zones -- such as USA and Canada) a HUGE advantage compared to those
>>>> running remote in JA or EU for example.
>>>>
>>>> It wouldn't be even "remotely "fair" {pun intended} if a guy in DL
>>>> land could run remote within an area the size of the USA state of
>>>> Oregon while the guy living in USA could run remote across an area
>>>> over an order of magnitude larger than Germany that spans a whole
>>>> continent.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 73 Roger K5RKS
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Rick Vidmar K9KK" <K9KK at atlinkwifi.com>
>>>> To: "Oklahoma DX Association" <okdxa at mailman.qth.net>
>>>> Sent: 11/24/2014 4:41:12 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [OKDXA] Remote operation
>>>>
>>>>> GARY
>>>>> Very well said.
>>>>> My Thinking EXACTLY.
>>>>> K9KK, Rick
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11/24/2014 4:11 PM, Gary McCrorey wrote:
>>>>>> Myself, as long as the remote station is in the general
>>>>>> location of the operator it should be allowed. What I have a
>>>>>> problem with is stations on the west coast using stations on the
>>>>>> east coast and vice versa. Also, if a station is overseas etc, and
>>>>>> using a remote station here in the united states,, should not be
>>>>>> allowed. We would not actually be working the station from that
>>>>>> country. I realize with all the restrictions it is getting harder
>>>>>> and harder to fine a place allowing outside antenna's. I usually
>>>>>> try to find someplace without covernants, but this is getting more
>>>>>> and more difficult. So, with using remote within a couple of
>>>>>> hundred miles, I am perfectly ok with, but any further, should not be
> allowed.
>>>>>> This is just my opinion.
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> WQ5R Gary
>>>>>>
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