Guys: I am hearing them LP and they are just above the noise, which is down to S8-S9 here. I am in the log for 20 CW and Phone so I am not going to get into the pileup. They are stronger now than they were 20 minutes ago. Alan Clark, N5PA 4025 Craft Lane Laurel, MS 39440-1268 E-Mail: n5pa at n5pa.com URL: http://www.n5pa.com