[nrv-hams] Antenna & Tuner Recommendations?

Wed Feb 21 15:40:35 EST 2024

FWIW, I have decided to pull back from HF and sell concentrate on VHF/UHF,
so, I have a decent HF setup that I'd like to sell for minimal return, i.e.
best offer from a NRV club member.  Here is a list of the components that
all worked the last time I wandered into the HF frequencies, but I'm
currently unsure about the automatic antenna tuner as it emits a Morse Code
"message" which I have been unable to interpret and/or find in the user
manual:

    ICOM IC-735 HF transceiver
    MFJ-939 Compact Intellituner, automatic HF antenna tuner
    MFJ-816 HF SWR Wattmeter
    SignaLink USB integrated USB sound card, for digital radio, e.g PSK31,
         to use with PSK31 software on a PC/laptop( (not included)

with complete user manuals for all.

I will throw in an off-center-fed dipole antenna (about 80 feet in length)
and a bunch of coax cables.

I run the IC-735 off 120VAC with a *SamlexPower SEC 1235M* power supply but
am keeping that
to run my VHF/UHF base station.

Dave

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On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 3:01 PM Cam Coble <cam at doubleclickdata.com> wrote:

> Hey Sarah! So glad you're kitting up!
>
> I tried to be short, but there's a LOT to unpack in your questions. I tried
> my best not to write a novel ;)
>
> :: Main Subjects ::
> :::: Sub Subjects ::::
>
> :: Antennas ::
> (Only talking HF antennas)
> So, as far as antennas go, there are BOOKS upon BOOKS written on the
> subject, but I think I can give a few points for reference here...
> - Resonate antennas are often the simplest/cheapest, but more difficult or
> less forgiving in the field. Standard dipoles and End-Fed fit here.
> - Compact antennas are convenient, but often expensive, and lackluster
> performance, with a bit of setup complications
> - Magnetic loop antennas are very difficult to use, but can offer benefits
> of compactness and rejection of other signals. They are expensive as well.
> I don't recommend for many hams as they can be EXTREMELY frustrating.
>
> So, here are some basic options for travel antennas for HF with some
> supporting details...
>
> If you have access to one tree for supporting the end of a wire, I really
> recommend an end-fed half-wave (EFHW) antenna such as the one available in
> kit form from the ARRL at $80.
> https://www.arrl.org/end-fed-half-wave-antenna-kit
> With that, you get 10, 15, 20, and 40 meters, and if it's cut right, and
> you get the end up at least 30+ degrees off the horizon, you shouldn't need
> a tuner.
> I use this antenna for Parks on the Air all the time.
> If you want one prebuilt, I recommend this one at $99:
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/192924219299
>
> If you have no tree, you can go with a vertical antenna such as these, but
> it will take more setup time to get the antenna to be resonant:
> (variable coil antennas)
> $125 - 40 to 10 meters https://www.wolfrivercoils.com/SOTA.html
> $175 - 40 to 10 meters https://www.wolfrivercoils.com/TIA.html
> $200 - 40 t0 6 meters https://www.buddipole.com/buddistick.html
> They go up from there!
>
>
> :: Tuners ::
> If you have a resonant antenna, you won't need one, but I always have one
> in my kit in case I have to deploy the antenna "weird" (like bending
> around, not straight up/out, etc.)
> For antenna tuners, I really have liked my cheapo ATU-100 Antenna Tuner.
> You can get them on ebay for $70ish prebuilt, and they have options of
> "UHF" connectors or BNC type, and battery internal, or external power
> source.
> There's also a "QRP" style good to 10 watts called the ATU-10.
>
>
> :: Extra Cables/Parts ::
> Best thing to do is assemble it all before you go out to make sure you
> aren't missing anything, but here are some things you'll need off the top
> of my head.
> You'll need to understand the connector types in play with your equipment.
>
> :::: Signal Path ::::
> - PL259/SO239 (aka "UHF" connector) - Most long coax (10+ feet) come with
> these.
> - BNC - QRP/low power applications tend to favor this connector.
>
> The IC-705 uses a BNC connector for the antenna, so you will have to get
> cables with those on the end, or an adapter to go from BNC to SO239.
> - Coax or jumper coax (just a short coax) to connect antenna to Transceiver
> (or tuner)
> - Jumper coax to connect tuner to Transceiver
>
> You'll just have to figure out if you want to get cables just for your
> application (ie. BNC one end, PL259 on the other), or heavy use of
> adapters.
> Adapters are good unless you leave them at home (ask me how I know).
>
> :::: Power Path ::::
> There are many types here, but normally we end up at the 2.5mm barrel
> type(IC-705), or the Anderson Powerpole connectors (kind of a standard for
> supplying 12vDC for ham radio applications).
> If you know what you need, you can normally find any adapter/connector you
> need at
> https://www.westmountainradio.com/pp-cables.php
> (Look for Powerpole to Con Power Plug to see a simple cable/adapter between
> the two mentioned)
> OR
> Build/solder your own if you aren't afraid. For Powerpole connectors, I
> recommend tooling up with a crimper made for those connectors specifically.
>
> I don't know what your battery has, but if it was marketed for ham radio,
> it's probably a Powerpole.
>
> :::: Other Things ::::
> Depending on how much you care about dropping/packing the equipment, you
> may want to look into a case, or a protective cage. I suggest using it a
> few times before jumping into that though, just make sure you protect it in
> transit.
> There are plenty of aftermarket accessories for the IC-705 out there, but
> find your operating style before committing.
>
>
> :: Vendor Recommendations ::
> For connectors/DC I really like West Mountain Radio:
> https://www.westmountainradio.com/
>
> For connectors/coax, I like DXEngineering:
> https://www.dxengineering.com/
>
> For finding deals on radios, I'll add two more:
> Ham Radio Outlet - https://www.hamradio.com/
> GigaParts - https://www.gigaparts.com/
>
>
> :: Ending ::
> I'd be glad to help you with your specific shopping list if you need, but
> that should get you started!
> I'm sure there will be follow up questions, so go for it!
> Also, I'd be glad to bring anything I have to a meeting to show you some
> options as well, just let me know what you want to see.
>
> 73!
> --
> Cam, W4XXV
>
> On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 8:40 AM Sarah Over <sarah.e.over at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I hope to see many of you next Monday, but I thought I'd ask here too for
> > suggestions.  I'm working on putting my kit together to participate in
> > HamSCI's Solar Eclipse events in April (https://hamsci.org/node/678 <
> > https://hamsci.org/node/678> - probably the QSO party, but maybe the
> > research TDOA too if I get my general license in time).
> >
> > I had asked a few folks at Winter Field day about options for being
> > outside as I'll probably be in a nearby park somewhere in Cleveland, OH.
> > One of the suggestions was the ICOM IC-705 <
> > https://www.icomamerica.com/lineup/products/IC-705/> (thanks Sam!),
> which
> > after some research would work well for plans I have now and the future
> > (plus I can afford it fortunately).  I was able to figure out my power
> > needs, but what I am not sure on is what all I'll need as far as an
> antenna
> > setup...
> >
> > I'm looking for recommendations for/thoughts on:
> >    1. Antenna: Any favorites for 10m? Or multiple bands?  Wire will
> > probably be fine as I should be near trees :).  Although I might want to
> > have a magnetic loop available too.
> >    2. Antenna tuner
> >    3. Any extra cables/parts I will need?  I have seen some antenna
> > support options too <
> >
> https://www.amazon.com/WINDCAMP-Release-Antenna-Support-IC-705/dp/B08HQZPRQ8/ref=as_li_ss_tl
> > >...
> >
> > - Plus reliable retailers for purchasing (where do you like to buy your
> > parts?):
> >       + Thoughts on DX Engineering, HRO, or GigaParts?
> >       + Or places like Batteries America for power supplies/adapters?
> >
> > Hopefully I will be making a trip up to Cleveland for HamSCI in about a
> > month where I can test things out locally too, so I am looking to have
> > everything set by then.
> >
> >
> > Thanks for any advice/tips!
> >
> > Sarah Over
> > KQ4NQO
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