[NLRS] NLRS Saturday morning breakfast via Zoom

Tue Jun 9 14:39:44 EDT 2020

Yep- we’d certainly welcome anyone interested in stopping by for
 ‘breakfast’ . They’re not the ones to be concerned about. If a static
password helps to get those folks involved, it’s probably a reasonable
trade off.

My only intent was to point out that convenience comes at a price - given
the high profile of Zoom these days, it’s a favorite target of opportunity
for internet lowlifes, and numerous “tools” have popped up out there to
help them find and disrupt Zoom meetings with little effort. So, it’s
important for people to be aware of that and make decisions accordingly.

I’ve found that for any online meetings, it’s important to send out
reminders sometime shortly before the meeting, so that’s an ideal time to
provide the link with embedded password. Even if it changes, the most
recent reminder is the one most folks will click on.

In any event, I’m looking forward to it, as I don’t often make it to
breakfast, but I’m more likely to pop in from home than drive up to the
Golden Corral from Lakeville.

73 de W0ZF

On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 1:01 PM Rob Jahnke <rcjahnke at gmail.com> wrote:

> I understand and you make good points, especially with a
> security background. BUT the password is easily changed if it becomes an
> issue. I find that participation will lag greatly if people have to
> remember/lookup a strange password for a meeting or each meeting. It really
> doesn't matter if someone "comes to breakfast" with us who isn't invited
> because they now know the password. If it becomes a problem, we can deal
> with it with the tools Zoom has now given us. Until then, I think we are
> MUCH better off to make attending ZOOM meetings EASY (with an easy to
> remember password) rather than bank account secure.  Just my two cents.
> Thanks for the input.
> Rob K0XL
>
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 12:40 PM Dave Fugleberg <dave.w0zf at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Keep in mind that widely shared, long lived passwords are rarely (if
>> ever) a good idea. Especially if they are short and especially if they are
>> easily guessed.
>> Zoom got a pretty poor reputation early on for disruptions (think
>> deliberate QRM) mostly due to prioritizing ’ease of use’ over basic
>> security.  Miscreants would scan for meetings in progress and interrupt
>> them with nasty video, etc. just because they could.
>> Zoom finally responded by changing to more sensible (but less
>> ‘convenient’ default settings - random passwords, requiring hosts to admit
>> participants when entering the meeting, ability to boot out guests, etc.
>>
>> It’s certainly possible to disable or water down those safeguards - just
>> be aware that this puts you right back to the same vulnerable situation
>> many others learned about the hard way.
>>
>> The current default settings in Zoom do a pretty good job of balancing
>> convenience and security... It’s up to the host to decide if more
>> convenience is worth the cost, as they are the ones that need to deal with
>> the QRM.
>>
>> I do information security for a living, so I may be a little more
>> paranoid than most, but it’s not paranoia when they actually *are* out to
>> get you...
>>
>> 73 de W0ZF
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 10:43 AM Rob Jahnke <rcjahnke at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, that is correct. But they create a "cryptic" password, but the host
>>> can go into the settings for the meeting  and permanently change the
>>> password to something like "nlrs" or whatever you want. You can then send
>>> invites for the same meeting  ID every day/week/month and re-use the same
>>> meeting ID and the new permanent password. I have "scoped this out"
>>> because
>>> I have been meeting with my Granddaughter (8) in Madison several times a
>>> week 😀
>>> Rob K0XL
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:37 AM Lloyd - N9LB <lloydberg at tds.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> > R R, Rob,
>>> >
>>> > It is also possible to include the meeting ID and Password in the
>>> meeting
>>> > invitation link.  I assume that the most recent version of ZOOM will
>>> create
>>> > that “invitation link”, with integrated password, when the meeting host
>>> > creates the meeting shell.  That “invitation link” can then be shared
>>> with
>>> > all potential participants.
>>> >
>>> > Also, hopefully you have a microphone and possibly USB camera attached
>>> to
>>> > your computer, but neither are required.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 73
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: Rob Jahnke [mailto:rcjahnke at gmail.com]
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2020 8:43 AM
>>> > To: Lloyd - N9LB <lloydberg at tds.net>
>>> > Cc: NLRS Post <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
>>> > Subject: Re: [NLRS] NLRS Saturday morning breakfast via Zoom
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Well said Lloyd.
>>> >
>>> > The Personal (FREE) Zoom account will let you host up to 100
>>> participants.
>>> > The time limit is 40 minutes. So ANYONE .... even without a business
>>> > account ....can be the host. But you can host unlimited ZOOM meetings
>>> so
>>> > the 40 min limit is easy to work around. When you host a meeting you
>>> are
>>> > given a meeting ID (A number like a telephone number) and you set the
>>> > password. In the case of NLRS the letters nlrs would be a good
>>> password.
>>> > When the meeting times out, you just end the meeting and rehost by
>>> joining
>>> > the meeting using the SAME meeting ID. Others can login to the SAME
>>> meeting
>>> > ID and you are good for another 40 minutes. AND the same meeting ID and
>>> > password can be used over and over again. So next week (next month)
>>> > everyone can join the same meeting ID and you just continue on in 40
>>> minute
>>> > increments 😀 Of course, if someone with a business account is the
>>> host,
>>> > you don't need to deal with the 40 minute limit.
>>> >
>>> > Rob K0XL
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 6:23 AM Lloyd - N9LB <lloydberg at tds.net
>>> <mailto:
>>> > lloydberg at tds.net> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > ZOOM meetings are wonderful.  Our local Madison DX Club, local Four
>>> Lakes
>>> > ARC, and the Badger Contesters are all using ZOOM for meetings.  Also,
>>> > Elementary, Middle, High Schools as well as Higher Education use ZOOM.
>>> >
>>> > ZOOM is interactive and easy to setup and use.  ZOOM is much much
>>> better
>>> > than the awful Skype or WebEx or Go-To-Meeting technologies that you
>>> may
>>> > have suffered thru at work.  If you haven't used ZOOM yet, you can
>>> expect a
>>> > pleasant surprise
>>> >
>>> > ZOOM is free for users, but you do need a paid account to host a ZOOM
>>> > meeting.  Most Amateur Radio clubs are simply using a member's business
>>> > ZOOM account for facilitating club meetings.
>>> >
>>> > BTW, there is also a "Personal" ZOOM account that allows you to create
>>> and
>>> > conduct short family meetings, but it has limited attendance and times
>>> out
>>> > after 30 or 40 minutes.
>>> >
>>> > 73
>>> >
>>> > Lloyd - N9LB
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:
>>> nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>> > [mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net <mailto:
>>> nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net>
>>> > ] On Behalf Of Jon Platt via NLRS
>>> > Sent: Monday, June 08, 2020 3:14 PM
>>> > To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net <mailto:nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
>>> > Subject: [NLRS] NLRS Saturday morning breakfast via Zoom
>>> >
>>> > Hello NLRS land
>>> > There has been growing interest to purse a Saturday morning NLRS Zoom
>>> > meeting.  The suggestion is that we follow the same dates and times as
>>> we
>>> > have already set for our pre-COVID breakfast gatherings.  For those
>>> dates
>>> > and time (8:30am) see http://www.nlrs.org/home/nlrs-breakfast
>>> > In order to do this we are seeking a Zoom host, or perhaps several
>>> hosts
>>> > who can rotate hosting, to facilitate this.  The host(s) must have a
>>> Zoom
>>> > account, be willing to set up the Zoom meeting, and act as the meeting
>>> > host.  Meeting time would be informal, no set program, and can be used
>>> for
>>> > such things as show-and-tell, virtual tours of their shack, or any
>>> other
>>> > topic that the group may want to discuss.  Its informal.
>>> > As I myself do not have a Zoom account, I will not be hosting, but I
>>> can
>>> > facilitate this idea with help from others.  I would be joining any
>>> such
>>> > meeting(s) if we can find a host or two to support this. If you have
>>> Zoom
>>> > capability, if you are willing to host, please look at our breakfast
>>> > calendar and pick a date or two that you would be willing to host and
>>> drop
>>> > me a email to that affect.
>>> > 73, JonW0ZQ
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