[NLRS] Suggested FM Simplex Freqs For Radio Contesting

S. Earl Jarosh earl at jarosh.org
Mon Dec 17 10:28:15 EST 2012 

Dave, 

Yes, correct.  Rick is stating the GMRS would be licensed and would talk to
the FRS stations as a high powered fixed station.  High power GMRS is
limited to 50 watts at the radio. 5 watts interstitial. Max antenna height
200' or 20' above the structure for fix antenna.  I am watering down the
reqs but for the purposes that Rick is proposing someone with a GMRS
handheld and a directional hand antenna sitting in the IDS could be a Big
Gun making contacts to the FRS radios.  As I said my only interest in this
would be to generate a new excitement among kids that have FRS or there
parents FRS radios to pull them away from the xbox/playstation mind numbing
shoot'em up paramilitary babysitters and provide a real certificate for
their efforts.   


S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ
Cell:  612.868.1313
Off:   763.545.3275
Home:  763.546.7897
Fax:   763.546.7897
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-----Original Message-----
From: nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On
Behalf Of Dave, WV9E
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2012 1:09 AM
To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [NLRS] Suggested FM Simplex Freqs For Radio Contesting



I believe a license is required for the GMRS higher power stuff....    like 
ZA service..
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Clem" <clem.law at usa.net>
To: "S. Earl Jarosh" <earl at jarosh.org>; "'Richard Clem'" <clem.law at usa.net>;
<nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: [NLRS] Suggested FM Simplex Freqs For Radio Contesting


>
>
> Yes, the FRS radios are not allowed to have an external antenna, and 
> I'm guessing the inductive antenna would be a violation.  But 7 of the 
> channels are shared with GMRS, and GMRS is allowed outside antennas, 
> and it's specifically permitted to contact FRS stations.  So with 
> someone running a GMRS rig at a good location, it could be quite 
> impressive, and they would be able to work cheap FRS radios at a 
> distance that most owners wouldn't believe possible.
>
> Unfortunately, it's hard to find decent GMRS radios at a decent price.  
> At some point, the marketing folks decided that "22 channel" radios 
> would sell better than 15 channel ones.  They did this by including 
> the other 7 FRS channels, which means that the radios are not allowed 
> external antennas, the one feature that would make them much more 
> useful than they are.
>
> It would take some work to get it organized, but it might be something 
> that would generate interest in ham radio:  Offer some kind of award 
> for making a "DX" contact, and follow that up with information on 
> getting a ham license.
>
> 73,
> Rick W0IS
>
> ------ Original Message ------
> Received: Sun, 16 Dec 2012 05:39:00 PM CST
> From: "S. Earl Jarosh" <earl at jarosh.org>
> To: "'Richard Clem'" <clem.law at usa.net>, <nlrs at mailman.qth.net>
> Subject: RE: [NLRS] Suggested FM Simplex Freqs For Radio Contesting
>
>> Interesting concept for frs/gmrs. Might be a way to excite kids into 
>> contesting on FRS via school, FB, or Twitter creating new excitement 
>> for
> Ham
>> radio.  Could create a FB page and then NLRS, CSVHF, and/or ? Could 
>> give
> out
>> an award(s).   This could be coordinated as Like the 10-10 system by 
>> giving
>> out a registered number for contact tracking.  No multipliers, no 
>> categories, just straight contacts.
>>
>> As far as antennas FRS does not allow a FRS type accepted radio with 
>> a detachable antenna nor direct modification of the fix antenna. The 
>> FRS radios are limited to 500 milliwatt output.  Creating an 
>> inductive coupling device for a fixed antenna on a FRS radio to make 
>> it directional might be a grey area. But even with a .5 watt FRS I 
>> have been in Albuquerque and
> talked
>> with someone 50 miles away full Q from the top of Mt Sandia. There 
>> are many significant unofficial distance reports from skiers and the 
>> ski patrol utilizing FRS radios in the Rockies.  Maybe it is time to 
>> get these
> official
>> and recorded.  Again using it as a way to lure FRS users into the ham 
>> world and create a better understanding and new excitement in radio.
>>
>> On the Amateur side there are 1000+km recorded UHF tropo contacts out 
>> there on FM.
>>
>>
>> S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ
>> Cell:  612.868.1313
>> Off:   763.545.3275
>> Home:  763.546.7897
>> Fax:   763.546.7897
>> earl at moneycenters.com
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:nlrs-bounces at mailman.qth.net] 
>> On
>> Behalf Of Richard Clem
>> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2012 12:08 PM
>> To: nlrs at mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [NLRS] Suggested FM Simplex Freqs For Radio Contesting
>>
>>
>>
>> >>>But is the contest antenna big gun power and antenna legal in 
>> >>>FRS/GMRS?
>> Isn't that service limited by field strength, power, and antenna size
>> purposely to keep it from competing with the part 70 licensed UHF 
>> services?
>> Like 11m in theory?<<<<
>>
>> I would need to check the rules, but I'm pretty sure that directional
>> antennas are legal for GMRS, and channels 1-7 are shared with FRS.  There
>> might be height restrictions, but I'm pretty sure that any antenna on an
>> existing structure is legal.  I don't think there are any limits for
>> radiated field strength; the limit is strictly transmitter power.  For 
>> what
>> I was thinking, I don't think a directional antenna would necessarily be
>> required.  I was thinking of someone operating from an office building,
>> which would have a range of several miles, even with cheap FRS radios on
> the
>> other end.  If it were well publicized, it might give a lot of people an
>> idea as to what is possible with small VHF/UHF radios.
>>
>> For the VHF contest, I was thinking of a "big gun" optimized to work FM
>> stations in the Twin Cities, with a directional vertical antenna at a 
>> good
>> location pointed toward the Twin Cities, not necessarily what we think of
> as
>> a big gun station.  If a few FM guys were able to make "DX" contacts from
>> their mobile rig to St. Cloud, Eau Claire, Rochester, etc., it might open

>> a
>> few eyes as to what is possible on VHF.
>>
>> 73,
>> Rick W0IS
>>
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