[NJARC] The end of radio time signaling?

Tue Aug 28 22:57:03 EDT 2018

PeteYou are probably right, there is no rationale worth mentioning.  Who needs WWV when you have GPS?
A Corona Mass Ejection great enough to disrupt or destroy several GPS satellites would most likely also take out the power grid as well.  So we will all go back about 200 years in time and only have the conveniences the Amish now enjoy.  All of this for at least the better part of a year while all of those pesky power transformers and high tension lines are replaced.  
Don't know how well the coal. gas and solar generators will fare but I am sure that nuclear will have problems since it is difficult to get rid of the heat in the reactor vessel as the Fukushima accident aptly demonstrated.  So the time it will take to build and launch replacement satellites seems the least of the possible problems.  LORAN C was terminated in early 2010 so I believe that there are no backup navigation systems at all unless inertial navigation systems are still being built.  Save all of your old road maps and break out all of those old pocket watches and get them serviced!
Fun times are in the future if a powerful CMA comes our way <grin>,Jim I wonder why people argue over the 10% of their differences and ignore the 90% they agree on?

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 Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2018 7:53 PM
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It’s going to be interesting justifying wwv and the others on their value for accurate time and frequency signals ...  
Aside from fully web synchronized sources what real value is the “accurate” time signals.  And frequency standard?  Most no code hams and many of those who entered the hobby in the last 15 years barely know how to use RIT and have little idea (or need) for accuracy frequency standards. Hell many non Extra class guys call out of band all the time - and some “extra” class guys call in the euro sub bands. 
I’ve been a ham for over 50 years and brought up monitoring wwv and chu etc. it would be a shame to lose them -but really - what is the rationale ?

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Here's the info from the ARRL site from 8/21.
Joe Devonshire

Concern Rising within Amateur Radio Community over WWV-WWVH Shut Down Proposal
08/21/2018ARRL members and Amateur Radio clubs are expressing increased concern over the inclusion of WWV and WWVH on a list of proposed cuts in the White House’s National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) Fiscal Year 2019 budget request. The proposed cuts also would include the Atomic Clock signal from WWVB used to synchronize specially equipped clocks and watches. Online petitions soliciting signatures include one established by Tom Kelly II, W7NSS, of Portland, Oregon, who would like to see funding for the stations maintained. At this point, the budget item is only a proposal, not a final decision. That would be up to the Congress to decide.ARRL is among those worried over the possible loss of WWV, WWVH, and WWVB and is suggesting that members of the Amateur Radio community who value the stations for their precise time and frequency signals and other information sign Kelly's petition and/or contact their members of Congress promptly, explaining how the stations are important to them, beyond government and military use.Kelly’s petition, which may be signed by US residents, notes that WWV is among the oldest radio stations in the US, having been established in 1920. “The station has transmitted the official US time for nearly 100 years, and is an instrumental part in the telecommunications field, ranging from broadcasting to scientific research and education,” his petition says. “Additionally, these stations transmit marine storm warnings from the National Weather Service, GPS satellite health reports, and specific information concerning current solar activity and radio propagation conditions. These broadcasts are an essential resource to the worldwide communications industry.”NIST’s full Fiscal Year (FY) 2019 budget request to Congress calls for the agency to “discontinue the dissemination of the US time and frequency via the NIST radio stations in Hawaii and Fort Collins, Colorado.” The agency noted, “These radio stations transmit signals that are used to synchronize consumer electronic products like wall clocks, clock radios, and wristwatches, and may be used in other applications like appliances, cameras, and irrigation controllers.” The specific cut, which would come from the NIST Fundamental Measurement, Quantum Science, and Measurement Dissemination budget, would amount to $6.3 million.In its budget request, NIST said that it plans to consolidate and focus work on its efforts in quantum science while maintaining essential core capabilities in measurement science research and measurement dissemination, as well as eliminate “efforts that have been replaced by newer technologies, measurement science research that lies outside NIST’s core mission space, and programs that can no longer be supported due to facility deterioration.”WWV and WWVH broadcast time and frequency information 24/7, including time announcements, standard time intervals, standard frequencies, UT1 time corrections, a BCD time code, geophysical alerts, and marine storm warnings. Transmissions are broadcast from separate transmitters on 5, 10, 15, and 20 MHz. An experimental 25 MHz signal is also currently on the air. WWVB transmits standard Coordinated Universal Time (UTC) signals on 60 kHz to appropriately equipped timekeeping devices.NIST Public Relations Director Gail Porter told Tom Witherspoon, K4SWL — editor of The SWLing Post, which has been tracking developments — that NIST “is proud of the time and frequency services we provide through our radio stations, and understands that these services are important to many people.”NIST Director Walter Copan has supported the overall budget request. “This budget request ensures that NIST can continue to work at the frontiers of measurement science by preserving investment in core metrology research,” Copan said. “Through its constitutionally mandated role, NIST performs work that only the government can do, and produces enormous return on US taxpayers’ investment. Translating measurements into technically sound standards across all industries enables effective international trade and US competitiveness.”

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Some of you hams may already be aware of this federal budget line item and its possible consequences: https://www.npr.org/2018/08/25/641835302/what-closing-a-government-radio-station-would-mean-for-your-clocks.
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